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    Washington Sundar - Performance Watch

    Is his selection in the Indian ODI team so early at the age of 18 years justified?

    Is there no other spinning all rounder who is better than him in India?

    Lets watch his performance..

    I think he will get a game or two this series then we wont see him again for a long time.

    I dont mind being proved wrong though....

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    was good in IPL lets see.

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    Washington Sundar to Thirimanne, out Bowled!! Maiden international wicket for the 18-year old; off the 9th delivery he bowled. Thirimanne b Washington Sundar 21(35) [4s-1]
    Washington Sundar to Thirimanne, THAT'S OUT!! Bowled!!

    Damn!!!! Gets his first ever ODI wicket in his 9th delivery

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    1st international wicket for washigton sundar..many more to come

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oligochaetes View Post
    15.3
    Washington Sundar to Thirimanne, out Bowled!! Maiden international wicket for the 18-year old; off the 9th delivery he bowled. Thirimanne b Washington Sundar 21(35) [4s-1]
    Washington Sundar to Thirimanne, THAT'S OUT!! Bowled!!

    Damn!!!! Gets his first ever ODI wicket in his 9th delivery
    india has been so good recently in producing every type of spinners, finger,wrist,LOA,chinaman,....

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    Great name

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    He's tamil isn't he ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SandyB View Post
    He's tamil isn't he ?
    Yup.

    2 Tamils in the team. Iyer and Sundar.

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    I found his bowling to be very average. Nothing special. Based on bowling alone, he does not deserve a spot in the team.

    He is an all rounder. So who knows how he bats. But overall, he is very average. I will put his bowling on par with Jayant Yadav. Bits and Pieces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    I found his bowling to be very average. Nothing special. Based on bowling alone, he does not deserve a spot in the team.

    He is an all rounder. So who knows how he bats. But overall, he is very average. I will put his bowling on par with Jayant Yadav. Bits and Pieces.
    Below average, he just darts the balls in, if he doesn't improve his bowling & fielding he doesn't deserve a spot above Jadeja, or potentially Krunal ~ if he's still in the mix.

    On fielding & bowling Jadeja gets the nod ahead of these two, his experience as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R0H1T View Post
    Below average, he just darts the balls in, if he doesn't improve his bowling & fielding he doesn't deserve a spot above Jadeja, or potentially Krunal ~ if he's still in the mix.

    On fielding & bowling Jadeja gets the nod ahead of these two, his experience as well.
    Unless Sundar bats like a proper batsman, it will be hard to pick him over the likes of Jaddu, Kuldeep.

    He is only 18. I want to see him bat. If he can clear the ropes with ease, its a bonus.

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    He is only 18, Jadeja improved as a bowler over the years.

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    Bowls like right handed Imad Wasim


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Unless Sundar bats like a proper batsman, it will be hard to pick him over the likes of Jaddu, Kuldeep.

    He is only 18. I want to see him bat. If he can clear the ropes with ease, its a bonus.
    Watch his duleep trophy final innings. And watch his bowling in that !arch too.

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    Anyone following Washington Sundar's game?

    How is he doing as a bowler. Only from stats, he could be an interesting pick for a 2nd spinner in ODIs.

    His first class stats show that he can bat at 8 in ODIs, and seems to be decent bowler. How was he in IPL 2018?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    Anyone following Washington Sundar's game?

    How is he doing as a bowler. Only from stats, he could be an interesting pick for a 2nd spinner in ODIs.

    His first class stats show that he can bat at 8 in ODIs, and seems to be decent bowler. How was he in IPL 2018?
    He didn't do bowl that well in recent ipl. He was struggling with injuries this past season.

    kid is a natural cricketer and I personally think he has a test batsman in him.

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    India surprised everyone by handing out the Test cap to Washington Sundar today at the Gabba. Interesting selection considering he hasn't played a FC game for 3+ years. Lets hope he does well.

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    Makes a lucky debut after Jadeja and Ashwin both get injured, in Brisbane, in Australia's toughest Fortress, and gets Steve Smith as his first test wicket.

    Wow! It's feels like a movie script.

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    Forget his bowling!

    53* so far in an amazing fightback for India in 4th Test!


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    Jaddu’s replacement but seems like a better test bat for now.. has to keep improving.


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    I was completely clueless about his batting ability, honestly thought he was a poor man's replacement for Ashwin and that the Indian tail was a bit too long with Washington batting at 7. vindicated again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    He didn't do bowl that well in recent ipl. He was struggling with injuries this past season.

    kid is a natural cricketer and I personally think he has a test batsman in him.
    Wrote this 2 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    I was completely clueless about his batting ability, honestly thought he was a poor man's replacement for Ashwin and that the Indian tail was a bit too long with Washington batting at 7. vindicated again.
    His performance is not surprising at all. The conditioning of this Indian team is incredible.

    Shastri will finally get the credit he deserves. A brilliant motivator.

    All the nonsense talk of sacking him should end now. He deserves a new contract.

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    He sometimes opens for Tamil Nadu..so that has helped and he is a good batsman technically..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    His performance is not surprising at all. The conditioning of this Indian team is incredible.

    Shastri will finally get the credit he deserves. A brilliant motivator.

    All the nonsense talk of sacking him should end now. He deserves a new contract.
    Shastri's detractors hate his personality too much to change their opinion now.

    But I agree, you called it before the match that Sundar will take to test cricket as a duck to water.

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    He is a good batsman and he is grabbed this opportunity with both hand. In a full fleged Indian team he migh not even get selected in the squad . Now he reserves his birth in the squad with this performance. He might end up regular in playing XI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    Shastri's detractors hate his personality too much to change their opinion now.

    But I agree, you called it before the match that Sundar will take to test cricket as a duck to water.
    One of the major reasons for India’s success in Test cricket over the last 5-6 years is that their two best spinners are also very competent with the bat.

    It is a great luxury because Ashwin and Jadeja would be their first-choice spinners even if they were bunnies with the bat.

    It seems like Washington is following the same path. His performance here is not a fluke. He will have a long and successful Test career.

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    Tremedous character shown by Sundar!

    So proud of you bro.

    Keep growing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    One of the major reasons for India’s success in Test cricket over the last 5-6 years is that their two best spinners are also very competent with the bat.

    It is a great luxury because Ashwin and Jadeja would be their first-choice spinners even if they were bunnies with the bat.

    It seems like Washington is following the same path. His performance here is not a fluke. He will have a long and successful Test career.
    Yea but he is probably not a proper Test spinner yet.

    Only started bowling seriously in the last 3-4 years. He's just 21 though, so hopefully works on his bowling now.

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    Washington has looked like a proper test bat. Really impressed. More impressed with his batting than his bowling.

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    Played an ATG knock.

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    Can't believe that he played proper cricketing shots against quality bowling attack.
    Outplayed all specialist batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post

    It seems like Washington is following the same path. His performance here is not a fluke. He will have a long and successful Test career.
    Hopefully gets at least a game against Eng at home as third spinner

    Strangely, but for IPL this guy would not have been selected in the first place

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    He is 22?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    He is 22?
    He was supposedly 16 when he played Under 19 world cup back in early 2016.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    He is 22?
    Yeah, I remember he was eligible for the 2018 u19 wc we won..but wasn't picked because he had already played the previous edition. He has been playing IPL since he was about 17 I think.

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    Washington Sundar's 6 off Nathan Lyon was sweet to watch, turned his head the other way and smacked a big one. This performance definitely does not have an asterisk next to it

    He reminds of Yuvraj at the crease without the explosive stroke play.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    He is 22?
    21

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    Washington Sundar - 62 & 3/89
    Shardul Thakur - 67 & 3/94

    For 1st time, Two Indian players Scored Half Century & Picked 3 Wickets in a Test in Australia

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    Washington Sundar's 45no is the highest Test score by a No7 debutant visiting Australia since December 1911.

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    Sundar is a batsman first.

    What a brilliant debut.

    He can blossom into a genuine AR.

    Successor of Jaddu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    His performance is not surprising at all. The conditioning of this Indian team is incredible.

    Shastri will finally get the credit he deserves. A brilliant motivator.

    All the nonsense talk of sacking him should end now. He deserves a new contract.
    It's Rahane who has the led the fightback.Shatri-Kohli led to 36-9 and series losses in Eng,SA,NZ


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Sundar is a batsman first.

    What a brilliant debut.

    He can blossom into a genuine AR.

    Successor of Jaddu.
    Can take over after Ashwin retires too.Hope Ash trains how to bowl


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    He could be a No 6 batsman for India. Pretty Solid, left hander and is more than useful bowler. Should be in all 3 formats for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    It's Rahane who has the led the fightback.Shatri-Kohli led to 36-9 and series losses in Eng,SA,NZ
    Many posters conveniently ignore that.

    Even the selections have paid off when in the past, its what would cause us to lose.

    I don't know who is the main think tank WITH rahane (maybe Shastri or not) but whatever they are doing is working.

    As someone said... The quiet confidence exuded by Rahane is farrr rr more scarier than all of Kohlis aggression.

    If results are what matters, then Rahane must be credited too. What extent I dunno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    Can take over after Ashwin retires too.Hope Ash trains how to bowl
    His bowling style is more similar to Jaddu.

    Hopefully Ash teaches him how to flight and slow it down.

    Not sure whether he will get to Ash Jaddu level bowling but time will tell.

    Lots of potential as a batsman.

    In all formats of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Many posters conveniently ignore that.

    Even the selections have paid off when in the past, its what would cause us to lose.

    I don't know who is the main think tank WITH rahane (maybe Shastri or not) but whatever they are doing is working.

    As someone said... The quiet confidence exuded by Rahane is farrr rr more scarier than all of Kohlis aggression.

    If results are what matters, then Rahane must be credited too. What extent I dunno.
    Rahane is fantastic as a captain but not reliable as batsman. Kohli is fantastic as batsman not reliable as captain. The dilemma...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    He could be a No 6 batsman for India. Pretty Solid, left hander and is more than useful bowler. Should be in all 3 formats for me.
    Agree.
    Many people trolled him when he got selected in t20 and ODI team.
    He is lot better than Krunal Pandya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    Rahane is fantastic as a captain but not reliable as batsman. Kohli is fantastic as batsman not reliable as captain. The dilemma...
    What to do.

    Honestly Rahane doesn't deserve a spot in the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King_Kohli View Post
    Washington Sundar's 45no is the highest Test score by a No7 debutant visiting Australia since December 1911.
    How many visiting number 7s have debuted in australia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    Rahane is fantastic as a captain but not reliable as batsman. Kohli is fantastic as batsman not reliable as captain. The dilemma...
    Easy solution.Make Rahane the captain as hes not going anywhere anyway

    Might improve his batting too as we saw in MCG


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    Quote Originally Posted by King_Kohli View Post
    Agree.
    Many people trolled him when he got selected in t20 and ODI team.
    He is lot better than Krunal Pandya.
    Would still take Ash over him in T20s as he bats at 8 there


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    What to do.

    Honestly Rahane doesn't deserve a spot in the team.
    Bhai, we don't have many options in test format like LOI.
    After so many years we found Gill and Mayank.
    Rahane should be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    His bowling style is more similar to Jaddu.

    Hopefully Ash teaches him how to flight and slow it down.

    Not sure whether he will get to Ash Jaddu level bowling but time will tell.

    Lots of potential as a batsman.

    In all formats of the game.
    I meant in terms of offspin.His action is similar to Ash but yes darts.

    Anyway we need a batting AR in ODIs even.He can be that

    Still not over his no-look six


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    As expected, folks will refuse to give any credit to Shastri whatsoever, resorting to the usual mental gymnastics. Lunatics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    How many visiting number 7s have debuted in australia?
    Not sure bro.
    I found here.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamBurne...75969971916800

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    As expected, folks will refuse to give any credit to Shastri whatsoever, resorting to the usual mental gymnastics. Lunatics.
    In this case Credit goes to Shastri and Kohli.

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    Youngest Indian to Score 50+ & Pick 3 Wickets in SENA

    TEST
    Ravi Shastri - 20yrs 42days
    Washington - 21yrs 102days*

    ODI
    Yuvraj Singh - 20yrs 199days
    Ravi Shastri - 22yrs 282days

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    Quote Originally Posted by King_Kohli View Post
    Now his score is the highest by a no 7 debutant in australia.

    https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...s;type=batting

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    To be honest, he batted with the class of top order batsman today. My word, I didn't know he can bat that well and can look that elegant!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    His bowling style is more similar to Jaddu.

    Hopefully Ash teaches him how to flight and slow it down.

    Not sure whether he will get to Ash Jaddu level bowling but time will tell.

    Lots of potential as a batsman.

    In all formats of the game.
    Backup option for Jaddu, genuine all-rounder IMO.

    Ash replacement has to be Kuldeep or maybe some young guys like Bishnoi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    As expected, folks will refuse to give any credit to Shastri whatsoever, resorting to the usual mental gymnastics. Lunatics.
    Why so much tension bhai lol.

    Shastri is a guy who made the most of his. limited talent through the sheer power of his mind.

    The positivity that he imparts works obviously.

    But he is a one trick pony who only knows how to do that.

    When it works, it looks like magic.

    When it flops, it looks like the idiotic thing in the world.

    Shahid afridi style.

    You might not remember it but the way we fought in 2017 Aus series where we won after being at the brink of a series loss was nothing shot of magical. And it showed what this team was capable of.

    Who was the coach? Kumble.

    ---

    What happened happened in Aus is that Shastri's mindless positivity is mixed with certain traits that has led to people feeling they are truly part of a larger cause and each one is just as important.

    You can see players having a sense of belonging here as opposed to the past.

    You can go back and read the interviews of Ash on how he turned a corner in 2014.

    Shastri was all bleating about meaningless platitudes when it was Bharat Arun who helped him understand his game better and thereby gain confidence.

    Shastri type person is needed but life is a lot more nuanced and complex to just work with such a uni-dimensional approach.

    Especially when its being applied to a variety of players with different dreams, hopes, fears and skillsets.

    If you doubt me, you can take Shastri's style of operation and apply it to a weaker team and the results will be mostly underwhelming.

    Shastri's trait has been mixed with *something else* and that combo has created magic.

    Sure, if you wanna credit it all to Shastri and make it all seem like a movie...go ahead.

    But real life usually doesn't work that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Why so much tension bhai lol.

    Shastri is a guy who made the most of his. limited talent through the sheer power of his mind.

    The positivity that he imparts works obviously.

    But he is a one trick pony who only knows how to do that.

    When it works, it looks like magic.

    When it flops, it looks like the idiotic thing in the world.

    Shahid afridi style.

    You might not remember it but the way we fought in 2017 Aus series where we won after being at the brink of a series loss was nothing shot of magical. And it showed what this team was capable of.

    Who was the coach? Kumble.

    ---

    What happened happened in Aus is that Shastri's mindless positivity is mixed with certain traits that has led to people feeling they are truly part of a larger cause and each one is just as important.

    You can see players having a sense of belonging here as opposed to the past.

    You can go back and read the interviews of Ash on how he turned a corner in 2014.

    Shastri was all bleating about meaningless platitudes when it was Bharat Arun who helped him understand his game better and thereby gain confidence.

    Shastri type person is needed but life is a lot more nuanced and complex to just work with such a uni-dimensional approach.

    Especially when its being applied to a variety of players with different dreams, hopes, fears and skillsets.

    If you doubt me, you can take Shastri's style of operation and apply it to a weaker team and the results will be mostly underwhelming.

    Shastri's trait has been mixed with *something else* and that combo has created magic.

    Sure, if you wanna credit it all to Shastri and make it all seem like a movie...go ahead.

    But real life usually doesn't work that way.
    No, I actually think Shastri himself is signifcantly more nuanced and complex than how people portray him. He's far from a one-dimensional character, his whole career is testament to this. The fighting spirit, mentality, and sheer doggedness that has become a hallmark of this Indian team is exactly how Shastri was during his playing career.

    Ignore the way he talks or portrays himself in the media, that's all superficial rubbish which is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. He was always known as an intelligent cricketer with signficant tactical know-how. Technically he is obviously not all that, but the idea that he has improved as a coach over the last few years is not very far-fetched.

    At the end of the day, many people don't like him, and that's fair enough, but the blank refusal from Indian fans to credit this turnaround to a hundred other factors other than his coaching staff is still hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    At the end of the day, many people don't like him, and that's fair enough, but the blank refusal from Indian fans to credit this turnaround to a hundred other factors other than his coaching staff is still hilarious.
    Typo, should read:

    *blank refusal from Indian fans to credit this turnaround to his coaching staff, while extolling a hundred other factors is hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    No, I actually think Shastri himself is signifcantly more nuanced and complex than how people portray him. He's far from a one-dimensional character, his whole career is testament to this. The fighting spirit, mentality, and sheer doggedness that has become a hallmark of this Indian team is exactly how Shastri was during his playing career.

    Ignore the way he talks or portrays himself in the media, that's all superficial rubbish which is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. He was always known as an intelligent cricketer with signficant tactical know-how. Technically he is obviously not all that, but the idea that he has improved as a coach over the last few years is not very far-fetched.

    At the end of the day, many people don't like him, and that's fair enough, but the blank refusal from Indian fans to credit this turnaround to a hundred other factors other than his coaching staff is still hilarious.

    I guess people scoff at Shastri-Kohli combo rather than Shastri alone.Because then Shastri merely acts as a yesman and never questions Kohli

    With Kohli absent,he has had more authority and Rahane has also complemented him


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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    No, I actually think Shastri himself is signifcantly more nuanced and complex than how people portray him. He's far from a one-dimensional character, his whole career is testament to this. The fighting spirit, mentality, and sheer doggedness that has become a hallmark of this Indian team is exactly how Shastri was during his playing career.

    Ignore the way he talks or portrays himself in the media, that's all superficial rubbish which is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. He was always known as an intelligent cricketer with signficant tactical know-how. Technically he is obviously not all that, but the idea that he has improved as a coach over the last few years is not very far-fetched.

    At the end of the day, many people don't like him, and that's fair enough, but the blank refusal from Indian fans to credit this turnaround to a hundred other factors other than his coaching staff is still hilarious.
    You might be right about Shastri's nuance. We might never know.

    If he is given zero credit for this performance, then it's wrong.

    But I am not sure about this turn-around attributed to him.

    He has been with the team for 3 years (excluding his prev stint before Kumble). And we have fumbled from one fiasco to another in terms of selection, strategy, etc.

    In Asia and WI, we didn't pay the price cos some players played OUT of their skin to save India.

    But in SA and Eng, we did pay the price.

    Now everything seems to be clicking perfectly.

    Rahane came on board.

    Every single selection in MCG was spot on and he had to make 3-4 changes where mistakes are highly likely.

    The body language of seniors was different.

    It was not about a player (Kohli) anymore. This was a Rahane's, Ashwin's, Pujara's, Rohit's, Bumrah's team as anyone else's.

    And the mindset of players felt different.

    It was like everyone was playing to prove a point.

    There was fear or insecurity (which was very palpable before Kohli left).

    Then SCG came and our bats royally messed up.

    And that triggered a survival mechanism which I honestly hadn't seen in Indian cricket in a long long time.

    We prevailed.

    And now in Gabba where the team had to go with a rookie attack.

    Sundar's selection and Kuldeep's exclusion raised some eyebrows but it turned out to be spot on. Still feel Kuldeep should have played. Anyways....

    The point being.....

    Compare this tour to the SA, Eng tours where made changes and there was a HEAVEN & EARTH difference.

    Yes, Shastri has been a positive influence (Thakur credited what his knock to Shastri) but there's something else happening in the background.

    What I don't know.

    But it seems to be working.

    I have never seen an Indian team fighting like this against all odds.

    Ever.

    If Shastri could do all this himself, he would have shown it before.

    Another theory could be that Shastri ain't the issue....It's his combo with Kohli which is where that guy's dominating personality over-rides everything.

    Anyways, we can only speculate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    Typo, should read:

    *blank refusal from Indian fans to credit this turnaround to his coaching staff, while extolling a hundred other factors is hilarious.
    Indians fans always have MAD RESPECT for Bharat Arun the bowling coach.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saurav View Post
    I guess people scoff at Shastri-Kohli combo rather than Shastri alone.Because then Shastri merely acts as a yesman and never questions Kohli

    With Kohli absent,he has had more authority and Rahane has also complemented him
    Kohli had a HUGE issue with Kumble with Kuldeep's selection for the Dharamashala test.

    And yet it was Kuldeep who won us that test and clinched the series.

    Not undermining Kohli's captaincy but when it comes to wrong tactics, Kohli has been wrong so many times, it's not even funny.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    You might be right about Shastri. We might never know.

    If he is given zero credit for this performance, then it's wrong.

    But I am not sure about this turn-around attributed to him.

    He has been with the team for 3 years (excluding his prev stint before Kumble). And we have fumbled from one fiasco to another in terms of selection, strategy, etc.

    In Asia and WI, we didn't pay the price cos some players played OUT of their skin to save India.

    But in SA and Eng, we did pay the price.

    Now everything seems to be clicking perfectly.

    Rahane came on board.

    Every single selection in MCG was spot on and he had to make 3-4 changes where mistakes are highly likely.

    The body language of seniors was different.

    It was not about a player (Kohli) anymore. This was a Rahane's, Ashwin's, Pujara's, Rohit's, Bumrah's team as anyone else's.

    And the mindset of players felt different.

    It was like everyone was playing to prove a point.

    There was fear or insecurity (which was very palpable before Kohli left).

    Then SCG came and our bats royally messed up.

    And that triggered a survival mechanism which I honestly hadn't seen in Indian cricket in a long long time.

    We prevailed.

    And now in Gabba where the team had to go with a rookie attack.

    Sundar's selection and Kuldeep's exclusion raised some eyebrows but it turned out to be spot on. Still feel Kuldeep should have played. Anyways....

    The point being.....

    Compare this tour to the SA, Eng tours where made changes and there was a HEAVEN & EARTH difference.

    Yes, Shastri has been a positive influence (Thakur credited what his knock to Shastri) but there's something else happening in the background.

    What I don't know.

    But it seems to be working.

    I have never seen an Indian team fighting like this against all odds.

    Ever.

    If Shastri could do all this himself, he would have shown it before.

    Another theory could be that Shastri ain't the issue....It's his combo with Kohli which is where that guy's dominating personality over-rides everything.

    Anyways, we can only speculate.
    Yes, it's more likely that the senior players in the team were a bit stunted due to Kohli's domineering personality in the past, and his absence has left them liberated. They have added no one else to that backroom staff, so what we are seeing in plain sight is probably all that's there.

    I am not so blase to think that the turnaround is solely attributable to Shastri, and Rahane obviously should be praised for allowing the team to shine. I reckon that Rahane is significantly more capable tactically than Kohli and that has helped in this test with an inexperienced bowling attack.

    However, the mentality part is still down to Shastri, given his extensive use of mental conditioning, and he has successfully leveraged adversity to create a siege mentality in the dressing room. You see this in other sports all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Kohli had a HUGE issue with Kumble with Kuldeep's selection for the Dharamashala test.

    And yet it was Kuldeep who won us that test and clinched the series.

    Not undermining Kohli's captaincy but when it comes to wrong tactics, Kohli has been wrong so many times, it's not even funny.
    Yes and the problem is he holds too much power for anyone to question him.Only Shastri can,but he clearly choses not to.

    Shastri Rahane can be a good combo,maybe.But not going to happen


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    Ummm... Lets not forget this young kid's contribution to the Series Win

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    So Ashwin, Sundar & Kuldeep in the first test against England?

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    The cumins over changed a lot, top 6 that shot was, Amazing debut , could see he was gutted to get out that way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MP2011 View Post
    So Ashwin, Sundar & Kuldeep in the first test against England?
    Siraj and Ishant definitely. Bumrah can get a rest, he will have T20 workload to follow.

    Umesh if fit should be in the mix as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RajBan View Post
    Siraj and Ishant definitely. Bumrah can get a rest, he will have T20 workload to follow.

    Umesh if fit should be in the mix as well.
    Bumrah WILL play in England test series, if fit no matter what. These are elite test series and all top Indian cricketers will play in it, subject to their fitness.

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    A genuine all-rounder. He seems to have belief in his abilities and he is fearless. I wish we had such a player.

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    A far better cricketer than Shadab.

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    Very impressed by him & i jusw saw his age - 21 yrs old! He definitely has a cool head on his shoulders. If he can develop his bowling skills, will be a good replacement for Ashwin one day soon.

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    He can be a good replacement for Jadeja not Ashwin


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