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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Bairstow is not good, he's great and better than both.
    He has the potential but he has just started off in odis. Remember when Amla started off around same age as Bairstow, at one point, he was averaging 58 at SR 95. Ofcourse, Bairstow is much more dynamic while Amla was one-gear. Let Johnny play atleast 100 odis.

    He does an easy job of opening the inning in ODI where it is mostly boom boom on flat pitches. Doesn't have to bat depending on match situation like Root and Buttler does.

    His performance against spin is quite susceptible IMO. He averaged 22 in the UAE series and 40 on really flat Indian wickets as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    You're honestly so lame, lol. The match was over when India posted 256 and Bairstow crushed any hope they had in the first 5 overs.

    Back to the nonsense you posted about Root being more gifted. Lol, dude is one-dimensional as it gets. Absolutely no comparison with Bairstow averaging 50 at 100+.
    The game was not over after Bairstow's 30 odd runs. A couple of wickets from the spinners could have opened the floodgates.

    Root is the best batsman in the world when it comes to playing on any surface in any conditions. Bairstow needs more time and performances before he can be called better.

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    OP should stick to the mechanics of fast bowling. Buttler is more talented and wipes the floor with both.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    OP should stick to the mechanics of fast bowling. Buttler is more talented and wipes the floor with both.
    Butler does not have a compact technique like Bairstow while the latter can tear apart the opposition just as easily.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Butler does not have a compact technique like Bairstow while the latter can tear apart the opposition just as easily.

    Perhaps. but in that Leeds test, bairstow was struggling against pakistani bowlers while Buttler was easily the most fluent batsman. Also at Trent Bridge when Kuldeep was bowling superbly, Buttler looked the only batsman capable of handling him while Bairstow struggled.


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    As I said in another thread few weeks back, Root will prove his class in the Indian ODI series.

    Big players perform in big series. He is a master batsman unlike Bairstow, who is wonderful himself. However, Root is a player who will come good in any conditions against any bowling attack when he is at his best.

    The best ODI batsman in the world after Kohli.

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    Bairstow always scores key runs to win matches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam99 View Post
    Bairstow always scores key runs to win matches.
    No surprise there.


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    Remember, given how tight a game Edgbaston was, that Rootís 80 in the first Test was even more vital than Bairstowís 90 in this one.

    Bairstow is a very good batsman, but Root averages 50+ in both major formats, so letís not get too carried away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Remember, given how tight a game Edgbaston was, that Root’s 80 in the first Test was even more vital than Bairstow’s 90 in this one.

    Bairstow is a very good batsman, but Root averages 50+ in both major formats, so let’s not get too carried away.
    Root scored 94, Bairstow scored 98 in that game.


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    Really dislike this thread. Both are good batsmen, it's pointless to bump this everytime either scores a good innings. It's not like both batsmen are rivals or competitiors in any way. Both have their own unique roles which are complementary.

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    Despite Root being a very good player, I have never really rated Root to be an elite player. He's on the level of Inzamam/Dravid/Jayawardene. Nothing more. Right now Bairstow is the rock of this England team and should be batting at 4. Root should remain at number 3.

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    England main performers in the first tests were Sam Curran, Ben Stokes and Joe Root.

    England main performers in second test till now have been James Anderson and Chris Woakes.

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    It seems Jos is more closer to Johnny than Johnny is to Joe.

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    Curran, Buttler, Root and Cook have comfortably outperformed him with the bat this series. I don't think bairstow is good enough to play as a batter alone.

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    Should be demoted back to no.7 if he is gonna countinue to keeping wickets.

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    Yes, if he is the one who has to keep wickets at any cost, then demote him to 7 and now after having played two series, Buttler can bat at 5.

    Personally, Buttler should take gloves and continue at 7 while Johnny should play at 5 as a specialist bat.

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    If Bairstow did overtake Root, he has now spun off the track and crashed.

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    Averages 37 after 58 tests for a reason. Heís nowhere near Root.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Yes, if he is the one who has to keep wickets at any cost, then demote him to 7 and now after having played two series, Buttler can bat at 5.

    Personally, Buttler should take gloves and continue at 7 while Johnny should play at 5 as a specialist bat.
    Disagree, Buttler should be a specialist five because he is a better batsman than Bairstow.

    Wider array of shots, mentally stronger, more emotionally mature, superior cricket brain. Just better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Disagree, Buttler should be a specialist five because he is a better batsman than Bairstow.

    Wider array of shots, mentally stronger, more emotionally mature, superior cricket brain. Just better.
    Bairstow to open, Buttler at #5, Foakes behind the sticks at #7.

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    Big boy is back!


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    Looks like he's accepted that he won't have the gloves. #3 has been a trouble spot for England since the retirement of Trott so Bairstow could be the solution.

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    I still don't get the point of this thread. Root and Bairstow are not rivals in any way.

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    Good hundred by Johnny but unfortunately it came after Root had played match/series winning hundred. Bairstow should bat at 3 only, Root at 4 and Buttler at 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    OP should stick to the mechanics of fast bowling. Buttler is more talented and wipes the floor with both.
    That's true.

    Bairstow is not good enough to be even compared with Root, who will go down as England's greatest ever in last many years combining all formats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    That's true.

    Bairstow is not good enough to be even compared with Root, who will go down as England's greatest ever in last many years combining all formats.
    I believe Root is a backfoot player but OP says otherwise, that is, a front foot oriented. Just to be sure, which one is true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    That's true.

    Bairstow is not good enough to be even compared with Root, who will go down as England's greatest ever in last many years combining all formats.
    I don't disagree with OP completely and he is spot on that bairstow is damn against the short stuff, but he lacks the skill to combat quality swing/spin bowling like we saw in the last English summer . Gones at the ball with hard hands and ends up looking foolish. Buttler is more explosive than both. Also I don't think root or bairstow will get any better than they already are - roots best years are behind him. We might not have seen the best of buttler yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    I believe Root is a backfoot player but OP says otherwise, that is, a front foot oriented. Just to be sure, which one is true?
    Root has definitely improved his backfoot game and is a solid backfoot player now. However, I believe OP's point was in reference to the ability to pull shots. While Root does stay backwards and is able to play cut shots or deliveries outside off stump, he doesn't get across the line which is why he is not a good puller of bowl.

    Regarding his front foot game, I have a different view on it. I believe he was an excellent front foot player in past but in last couple of years, he had made some changes in his batting set-up, ie, now he has higher backlift and stance to deal with quality pace more easily which is why he hasn't been able to come quickly to his front-foot shots, ie, deliveries bowled fuller on stumps and hence not been able to dominate the way he used to till 2016. Its eventually a mental thing and not getting stuck between two things which Root has gone into.
    Last edited by Ab Fan; 11th February 2019 at 14:56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    I don't disagree with OP completely and he is spot on that bairstow is damn against the short stuff, but he lacks the skill to combat quality swing/spin bowling like we saw in the last English summer . Gones at the ball with hard hands and ends up looking foolish. Buttler is more explosive than both. Also I don't think root or bairstow will get any better than they already are - roots best years are behind him. We might not have seen the best of buttler yet.
    He has lost it, looked clueless completely for his 2(33) yesterday. Very emotional cricketer, doesn't have a cricketing brain and due to his resilience for keeping, he has got stucked with his batting position and requirement of the role he is in to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    I don't disagree with OP completely and he is spot on that bairstow is damn against the short stuff, but he lacks the skill to combat quality swing/spin bowling like we saw in the last English summer . Gones at the ball with hard hands and ends up looking foolish. Buttler is more explosive than both. Also I don't think root or bairstow will get any better than they already are - roots best years are behind him. We might not have seen the best of buttler yet.
    At age 27? England batters don’t hit top form until then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    At age 27? England batters don’t hit top form until then!
    Not true at all. Atleast not in recent times. Cook and KP had already played their best cricket by the age of 28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Not true at all. Atleast not in recent times. Cook and KP had already played their best cricket by the age of 28.
    Could have been burnout due to the sheer volume of cricket, though KP was never the same after Textgate.

    Gower and Gatting hit full strength in their late 20s and Gooch became twice as good in his thirties. Stewart came into his own aged 29 or so, as did Bell.

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    Bairstow is nothing but a glorified Hashim Amla in ODIs.

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    Both finish with a similar run-tally at the World Cup, with two hundreds apiece... But Root's hundreds were against Pakistan and West Indies while he struggled in the crunch games including a really poor final. Bairstow two hundreds were in must-win games against New Zealand and India. Bairstow also now holds the record for most runs for a batsman in his first World Cup.


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    World cup performance is icing on the cake. Not the cake itself. We have to stop over-rating every single world cup innings.

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    I was a bit surprised that Root seemed to choke up in the final. But then so did Williamson by batting too slowly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I was a bit surprised that Root seemed to choke up in the final. But then so did Williamson by batting too slowly.
    Williamson scored 30 from 53 balls when batting first while Root scored 7 from 30 balls while chasing.

    And KW choked?

    Come again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    Williamson scored 30 from 53 balls when batting first while Root scored 7 from 30 balls while chasing.

    And KW choked?

    Come again?
    Neither of them are dominating players. Kane less so. Kane scoring 30 in 53 is par for the course. He pretty much does it every time. But Root can score quickly. Probably got stuck in over-cautious mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Neither of them are dominating players. Kane less so. Kane scoring 30 in 53 is par for the course. He pretty much does it every time. But Root can score quickly. Probably got stuck in over-cautious mode.
    Yes; both lack that extra gear to accelerate that Kohli, Sharma, Warner, etc, have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    Williamson scored 30 from 53 balls when batting first while Root scored 7 from 30 balls while chasing.

    And KW choked?

    Come again?
    I expected more from the supposed Kiwi iceman. Funny thing, pressure.

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    Root is below Bairstow, Roy, butler and stokes in my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by hur rizvi View Post
    Root is below Bairstow, Roy, butler and stokes in my opinion
    He is the best in tests by a long way.

    In this WC Root scored 556 runs, Bairstow 532, Roy 443 (though he missed three games), Stokes 465 and Buttler 312.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    He is the best in tests by a long way.

    In this WC Root scored 556 runs, Bairstow 532, Roy 443 (though he missed three games), Stokes 465 and Buttler 312.
    Yeah no comparison in tests
    But having watched the World Cup I rate Roy, Bairstow and stokes much better with the bat. Yes root might have scored more runs but the impact of runs scored by others mentioned is much more

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    Quote Originally Posted by hur rizvi View Post
    Yeah no comparison in tests
    But having watched the World Cup I rate Roy, Bairstow and stokes much better with the bat. Yes root might have scored more runs but the impact of runs scored by others mentioned is much more
    By impact do you mean hitting sixes? Accumulation can be as important - look at Williamson, he doesn't hit many sixes. England would not have got into the final without Root.


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