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    Farage on Question time this evening! Should be a belter!

    Can't wait till he rips a new one into Ken Clarke!

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    They seem to think that Corbyn won because he was 'genuine' (rather than the fact he actually understands what people are going through and wants to help) and they think Rees-Mogg really does believe in the krap he spouts so that is why the Right are trying to push him. But even amongst Tories he's a minority choice. He doesn't actually have any charisma and will simply not understand most people's lives. I suspect some machiavellian types using him simply as a stalking horse for a really awful Murdoch gimp like Gove or Johnson

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    Gove is a snake and he is the dark horse - is on top of his game at the moment with the reforms at DEFRA that have received cross-party support, and he has proven before that he will stab his best mate in the belly if it means he could get the PM role out of it.

    Very strange that Govey and Boris are still so friendly after what happened.

    I don’t think Boris himself will ever get there, he outwardly and blatantly wants the top job a bit too much - and along with his trademark aloof remarks, floppy hair, ever-expanding waistline and generally bumbling persona, he is too big and easy a target for the more ruthless Tories out there, some of whom would honestly sell their mothers for a handshake and a fifty pound note if this also guaranteed their own career advancement.

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    Lord Hezza says some Tories would prefer a Corbyn Government to Hard Brexit. The former would be recoverable from within a few years, but the latter will cause long term damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    OMG!!!

    Polly Toynbee in the Guardian today saying Sinn Fein should take their seats at Westminster JUST to vote against Brexit

    Where do you even start with that ?!
    I start agreeing with Toynbee. Brexit risks bringing about the return of The Troubles and nobody in Ireland wants that.

    But English Nationalists don’t care.
    Last edited by Robert; 2nd March 2018 at 10:32.

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    Question Time last night was a bit of a bore. You could tell Mr. Owen is still reeling from the loss vs Corbyn, and tried his level best to lash out at Farage, but failed.

    Ken speaks well, even though I do not agree with his views.

    The rest of the panel were just show boating, including the young lad who claimed UK had a referendum to join the EU in 1975. He needed an education and a slap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I start agreeing with Toynbee. Brexit risks bringing about the return of The Troubles and nobody in Ireland wants that.

    But English Nationalists don’t care.
    One of the architects of the Good Friday Agreement rubbishes the claim that a hard border will undermine the GFA.

    Trimble: “Rubbish” that Brexit will undermine Good Friday Agreement

    http://brexitcentral.com/trimble-rub...day-agreement/

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    Brexit has exposed the total indifference of many English Leave voters regarding Northern Ireland and its economic future.

    The unionists should see how the likes of Hoey, Paterson and Hannan are willing to sacrifice the Union and the GFA on the altar of Brexit.

    All this talk about hard and frictionless borders - the best border on the island of Ireland is NO border and to reverse the Imperialist Partition of 1921.

    Let the unionists have a small province within that United Ireland where they can go around being bigots and we can have the border moved to the Irish Sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    Question Time last night was a bit of a bore. You could tell Mr. Owen is still reeling from the loss vs Corbyn, and tried his level best to lash out at Farage, but failed.

    Ken speaks well, even though I do not agree with his views.

    The rest of the panel were just show boating, including the young lad who claimed UK had a referendum to join the EU in 1975. He needed an education and a slap.
    The quality of the Question Time panel gets worse and worse - why do we have a Blue Peter presenter and a Apprentice reality TV star talking about the Constitutional future of the country ?

    No academics or constitutional scholars like Vernon Bogdanor or Philip Cowley, just uninformed soundbites and cliches we've heard a million times before while doddery old man Dimbleby is ineffectual as always.

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    They should get Dr David Starkey on again, not the most subtle of individuals and I don’t always agree with his views, but thoroughly entertaining and articulate, and always puts the cat amongst the pigeons. A considerably more rude and just as watchable version of Peter Hitchens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Brexit has exposed the total indifference of many English Leave voters regarding Northern Ireland and its economic future.

    The unionists should see how the likes of Hoey, Paterson and Hannan are willing to sacrifice the Union and the GFA on the altar of Brexit.

    All this talk about hard and frictionless borders - the best border on the island of Ireland is NO border and to reverse the Imperialist Partition of 1921.

    Let the unionists have a small province within that United Ireland where they can go around being bigots and we can have the border moved to the Irish Sea.
    I think the Union could break up. A lot of old loyalists could give up on Westminster and finally throw in with Dublin. Have to see what happens at the next GE.

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    Finally some sanity from PM May in what actually was a decent speech today.

    The tone was more conciliatory and she admitted reality that our market access will be reduced post-Brexit, and that the ECJ will still have a role post-Brexit.

    Been described by pundits like Paul Waugh as "the softest possible Brexit within the limits of quitting the single market and customs union" which may somewhat alleviate your concerns @Robert.

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    The markets were not convinced of May's speech today.

    She is quite possibly the worst person to guide UK to Brexit.

    From her Lancaster speech, to today's speech, she has done more U-Turns than Captain Carney!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Finally some sanity from PM May in what actually was a decent speech today.

    The tone was more conciliatory and she admitted reality that our market access will be reduced post-Brexit, and that the ECJ will still have a role post-Brexit.

    Been described by pundits like Paul Waugh as "the softest possible Brexit within the limits of quitting the single market and customs union" which may somewhat alleviate your concerns @Robert.
    Bit on NI was fairly poor I thought.

    Leaving SM and CU and having no border or checks are not compatible things. Why cant people get that.


    See You Space Cowboy....

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    Corbyn has been a phenomena.

    While I do not agree with everything he says, I do understand his appeal.

    This guys was an outsider, was placed on the leadership ballot for balance, won, survived 2 leadership contest, decimates Tory seats after 2017 Election, and has now closed the gap in the polls.

    I do wonder what the odds were for Corbyn to be PM a few years ago.

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    He was over 200-1 to be Labour leader so I'd assume 1000-1 or higher

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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    He was over 200-1 to be Labour leader so I'd assume 1000-1 or higher
    Wow!

    That's more than Trump when he announced for Presidency!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Finally some sanity from PM May in what actually was a decent speech today.

    The tone was more conciliatory and she admitted reality that our market access will be reduced post-Brexit, and that the ECJ will still have a role post-Brexit.

    Been described by pundits like Paul Waugh as "the softest possible Brexit within the limits of quitting the single market and customs union" which may somewhat alleviate your concerns @Robert.
    No. Both Labour and Tories seem hell-bent on a road which will impoverish us resulting in austerity forever.

    Right now we are spending £55B per annum just in interest payments on the £2T and rising debt, and have not even zeroed the deficit.

    The only way out of this trap is to stimulate industry to make stuff we can export, thereby generating more tax to put us back in surplus, but we will have to pay tariffs on exports to 60% of our market when you consider all the trade deals the EU negotiated for us.

    We have to stay in the CU and SM.

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    Bad night for the Tories. Five council seats lost, mostly with big swings. Two to Labour, two to Indys, one to Lib Dems.

    Roll on the main round in May!

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    the 'safest' and 'strongest' of Conservative wards falling to Labour

    big big night for Labour just weeks away from May 2018 Local Elections

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    If Labour make big gains in May the month then it could spell the end of May the politician - her position would finally be untenable - and then it surely becomes a run-off between Moggy and Jeremy for the top job a few months later.

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    May is clinging to power because the Establishment is so scared of Corbyn. Under FTPA I can't see them caving or allowing her to cave.

    What would be important is if the May elections demonstrate May/Tories no longer have a popular mandate and with Democracy being blocked due to legalism it would open the door to more extra-parliamentary tactics to bring down the Government. I think either a series of strikes or calling of a General Strike maybe ?

    John McDonnell and some of Corbyn's other advisers are quite big on these sort of mechanisms. They know the Establishment will not give up power without a fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    If Labour make big gains in May the month then it could spell the end of May the politician - her position would finally be untenable - and then it surely becomes a run-off between Moggy and Jeremy for the top job a few months later.
    Talk about Sophie’s Choice.....

    I hope there will be a protest vote for Remain parties. EU citizens will have the vote, unlike for the Referendum.

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    Perhaps not 100% related, but certainly to one of the Brexit issues:


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    Sir Vince Cable denies branding older Brexit voters racist

    Sir Vince Cable has denied suggesting older Brexit voters were racist.

    In a speech at his party's spring conference, the Lib Dem leader said too many older people who voted Leave longed for a world where "faces were white" and were "driven by nostalgia".

    Tory MPs have labelled the comments as "wrong" and "unwise".

    But Sir Vince called it a "simple truth of the matter" that the majority of the older generation voted Leave while younger people favoured Remain.

    In his speech on Sunday, Sir Vince said a "nostalgia for a world where passports were blue, faces were white and the map was coloured imperial pink" had driven some older voters to Brexit.

    "And it was their votes on one wet day in June which crushed the hopes and aspirations of young people for years to come," he added.

    Asked on BBC Radio 4's Today programme whether he was suggesting older Brexit voters were racist, Sir Vince said: "I didn't suggest that at all."

    But he repeated his claim that "nostalgia for that world" was a factor in how people had voted.

    "Why else has so much fuss been made about the change in the colour of the passport?" he added.
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    Quite a risqué speech, am not a hardcore Remainer unlike Mr Cable however this was a refreshingly unfiltered and opinionated speech for a modern British politician, got no issue with it personally.

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    They don't have to be racist these brexiters but they are hardly the sharpest tools in the box, most of them didn't complete their higher education either. Unfortunately they weren't even intelligent enough to pay attention to expert economists who were more informed then them. To conclude they don't have to be racists, but we can definetly call them big morons who also may have weird agendas which made them go against the grain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post

    cleese lol

    best endorsement yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    They don't have to be racist these brexiters but they are hardly the sharpest tools in the box, most of them didn't complete their higher education either. Unfortunately they weren't even intelligent enough to pay attention to expert economists who were more informed then them. To conclude they don't have to be racists, but we can definetly call them big morons who also may have weird agendas which made them go against the grain.
    Which brexiters? The voters? Let's not make the same assumptions the leftists made in the US that only "poor, uneducated" would vote for him. The Times then ran a piece which broke down potential Trump voters and more from the rich, college educate elite did the voting.

    I'm not sure if such a study has been done with regards to Brexit but many people I know, highly educated, well off, living in the best parts of London, voted for a Brexit, whereas many of the poorer people did not.

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    Nothing to do with being poor because there are poor folk who are also educated.

    Rich or poor, the ones who were lacking in their education made a very ignorant decision. Many I know who voted leave didn't go college or uni, so it is unfair to call them racist but it is fair to call them thick.

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    Good for Sir Vince.

    He has been misquoted of course. He said that most older white Brexiteers in the shires he spoke to want immigrants gone. This will be sadden Sir Vince because he was married to a Goan for 25 years and has three mixed-race kids.

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    What Mr Vince has forgotten is that the youngsters who voted for the EEC in 1973, voted out in 2016.

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    Will Theresa May return donations totalling £820,000 from Russian-linked companies and oligarchs that the Conservative Party have trousered since the start of her Premiership ?

    Will they make a pledge to stop taking money from a country that has endangered the lives of British citizens by introducing a chemical weapon on UK soil ?

    If they refuse to, then the hypocrisy of this party that declares its opponents "traitors" and in league with foreign country, aided and abetted by their lapdogs in the press, will be exposed for everyone to see.

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    Given May has been an abomination of late, be it Brexit, Election, Welfare, her Cabinet, this Russia episode has allowed her to scrape some brownie points.

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    Corbyn is mishandling this Russian spy affair. He can easily attack May two-fold:

    A) May's sanctions are powder puff. If we really wanted to sanction Russia, we ALREADY have the legislation needed to use to investigate and seize Russian assets in London gained from corruption, as well as to crackdown on these shell companies that allows the identity of their owners to be hidden.

    Not only would you prevent the right attacking you on national security - you can then make the progressive, left-wing case about how London is a haven of not only Russian oligarchs but the corrupt, global financial elites and foreign property speculators that have driven up house prices rendering housing unaffordable for millions of Brits.

    B) Demand May return the £820,000 worth of Russian donations to the Conservative Party since the start of her premiership. This is an open goal, a governing party cannot be receiving money from a country it decries as a hostile enemy.

    You can then expose the Tories for their reluctance to do so because they are the political wing of the London banking institutions that benefit hugely from the presence of these Kremlin-linked businessmen.

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    Another round of local election last night.

    The general pattern of Tory seats falling to Lib Dems continues, as does the collapse of UKIP.

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    Lib Dems left red-faced over Brexit claim

    The Liberal Democrats were humiliated in Brussels after eight liberal European prime ministers and party leaders denied issuing a joint statement backing a second referendum on Brexit.

    Sir Vince Cable, the Liberal Democrat leader, met the group in Brussels yesterday during the European Council summit. After the meeting, his party released what it claimed was a joint statement, in which the leaders stated that they “acknowledge and support the Liberal Democrats’ call for the British people to have the final say on the Brexit deal”.

    However, the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe denied agreeing to it. A spokesman said: “At the meeting, liberal leaders showed their support to the leader of the Liberal Democrats, Vince Cable. However, no statement was agreed upon or issued.”

    A Liberal Democrat spokesman later claimed that the statement had been “verbally agreed” at the meeting, albeit “not signed”.

    The leaders who the Lib Dems claimed had put their name to the statement included Charles Michel, the prime minister of Belgium, who had not been at the meeting. Another leader on the Lib Dem list, Miro Cerar, recently resigned as prime minister of Slovenia.
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    Time to fire the starting gun on the local election campaign. Council elections do matter - local services are currently being decimated by cuts of up to 40% which impacts on social care, children's centres etc.

    The councils where every seat will be contested are in urban Labour strongholds such as the 32 London boroughs, Manchester, Leeds, Birmingham, Liverpool etc so Corbyn will only be looking to defend those seats.

    However, the opportunities for pick ups in London include Thatcher's old council of Barnet, Wandsworth which has been Tory-controlled since the 70s and even Westminster. Kensington and Chelsea will be in play too after the council's handling of Grenfell. Outside London - Labour would have a good night if they pick up Trafford and Swindon.

    Sitting governments often struggle during mid-term local elections so it could be a tough night for the Conservatives.

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    Owen Smith sacked by Corbyn! Reason, Smith was calling for a second referendum on Brexit!

    Well well, the plot certainly thickens!

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    I had a debate with a Hard Remainer. She reckons that after we Brexit, in ten years we will begin to undergo Bre-entry but this time accept the Euro and Schengen.

    I said the Euro was too much of a step for me, and I like not being in Schengen because we control our borders.

    We really are in the best place right now. All other options are worse and it’s so sad.

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    An ex-Labour donor has donated £60M to set up a new centre / liberal party by 2022, though it will be a community based movement for the moment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    An ex-Labour donor has donated £60M to set up a new centre / liberal party by 2022, though it will be a community based movement for the moment
    Tony Blair wants a way back in to mainstream politics, he is waiting for the right moment - perhaps this is it.

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    He is deluding himself @James as his political capital burned over Iraq.

    I don’t think he is involved. This seems like a grassroots centrist deal for people who gave up on the Lib Dems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    An ex-Labour donor has donated £60M to set up a new centre / liberal party by 2022, though it will be a community based movement for the moment
    I am instinctively suspicious whenever someone finds this kind of money to donate to a political cause. What's in it for him? Is it really his money? This HUGE amount really wasn't discovered down the back of someones sofa. The setting up of a centrist party will draw most support from the wing of labour opposed to St Jeremy (which includes me I have to admit). And braeak up the main opposition to the tories. Guess who benefits the most? Why do I smell a filthy rich right-wing rat here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Tony Blair wants a way back in to mainstream politics, he is waiting for the right moment - perhaps this is it.
    I'd eat my hat if that happened


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Sir Nick Clegg: Breakaway party 'highly likely'

    Ex-Lib Dem leader Sir Nick Clegg claims it is "highly likely" a breakaway party will form from within Labour to fill the "gaping hole" in politics.

    He said a "meaningful realignment" in politics could be triggered - but he would not say if he would back it.

    The Observer has claimed a new "centrist" party is being backed by up to £50m of private cash.

    Labour's John McDonnell reacted scathingly to the idea - "a party of the rich, by the rich, for the rich".

    Other Labour MPs said it sounded like a "bad idea" and a "daft waste of time".

    Asked about the report, Sir Nick, the former deputy prime minister, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he doubted that "entirely untested new entities" could "sweep the board".

    But he claimed a "big shift in tectonic plates" could come from Labour MPs opposed to Jeremy Corbyn's leadership, and that this could "lead to a cascade of events".

    If this reached beyond party lines, he said it "may prosper".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosanquet View Post
    I am instinctively suspicious whenever someone finds this kind of money to donate to a political cause. What's in it for him? Is it really his money? This HUGE amount really wasn't discovered down the back of someones sofa. The setting up of a centrist party will draw most support from the wing of labour opposed to St Jeremy (which includes me I have to admit). And braeak up the main opposition to the tories. Guess who benefits the most? Why do I smell a filthy rich right-wing rat here?
    There was a time when the old SDP-Liberal Alliance polled at 50% and appeared to be heading for power. But then the Falklands Factor and the birth of Prince William helped Thatcher to a massive majority.

    So assuming no war, it seems possible that a SDP 2.0, perhaps supported by the SNP and Lib Dems could form a government. Maybe the LDs would be wound up and subsumed into the new party.

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    LOL at all the hardline remoamers having wet dreams about a new multi million pound breakaway party rescuing the nation and keeping us in the EU.

    Brexit is going to make us poorer and the referendum probably should never have happened in the first place however the level of denial shown by the EU-Philes like Blair, Alistair Campbell, Nick Clegg etc is pathetic. Instead of making the best of a bad situation these guys are stuck in cloud cuckoo land dreaming of a miracle.

    A new party will take more votes away from Labour than it will the Tories. It will simply keep the Tories in power at the expense of Corbyn’s Labour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    LOL at all the hardline remoamers having wet dreams about a new multi million pound breakaway party rescuing the nation and keeping us in the EU.

    Brexit is going to make us poorer and the referendum probably should never have happened in the first place however the level of denial shown by the EU-Philes like Blair, Alistair Campbell, Nick Clegg etc is pathetic. Instead of making the best of a bad situation these guys are stuck in cloud cuckoo land dreaming of a miracle.

    A new party will take more votes away from Labour than it will the Tories. It will simply keep the Tories in power at the expense of Corbyn’s Labour.
    Here's the irony.

    UKIP was the alternative to Labour and Tories - it was dubbed BLU-KIP, as it was considered a chip off the Tory party minus the EU sycophancy.

    UKIP took more votes away from Tories AND Labour, leaving LDs behind for dust.

    The rise of UKIP is one of the main reasons why the referendum was offered in the first place.

    A classic case of careful what you wish for.

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    The referendum was offered to sort out an argument in the Tory party. (It didn’t work as the two camps are now disagreeing about the terms of leaving the EU.)

    UKIP only ever had one MP and he was a Tory defector.

    BluKip is the Remainer word for the rightward lurch of the Tories in the wake of the referendum.

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    Oh dear.

    Barry Gardiner has described Labour “six tests” for Brexit as a slang word for male gonads.

    Which they are, of course.

    Wonder if he will get sacked for speaking the truth?

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    Sir Vince Cable has called for a recall of Parliament to hold debate on the Syria situation.

    This would be preferable to Mrs May’s undemocratic use of Crown Preogative.

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    Sad to read of old West Indian folk who've lived here for decades getting harassed by the Government and wrongly identified as illegal immigrants.

    David Lammy made an impassioned speech in the Commons on this which has gone viral.

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    On Friday it'll be the 50th anniversary of Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood speech.

    We should celebrate it by having every immigrant and descendant of immigrants to urinate on the man's grave. He was a vile demagogue who stirred up racial divisions to further his political career.

    He made life hell for immigrants of that generation who suffered awful racist abuse after that speech. Here was this articulate, well educated man legitimising bigotry by offering it a powerful and eloquent voice. Ted Heath to his eternal credit sacked him from his shadow cabinet despite Powell's popularity amongst the Tory base.

    If the racism wasn't bad enough, Powell as Health Minister rejected a public inquiry into the thalidomide scandal and wouldn't even meet the child victims. Margaret Thatcher described Powell as an "asset" - but Powell's legacy is that of a man who died as a sad old irrelevance who achieved nothing of note in politics. I hope both are burning in hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    On Friday it'll be the 50th anniversary of Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood speech.

    We should celebrate it by having every immigrant and descendant of immigrants to urinate on the man's grave. He was a vile demagogue who stirred up racial divisions to further his political career.

    He made life hell for immigrants of that generation who suffered awful racist abuse after that speech. Here was this articulate, well educated man legitimising bigotry by offering it a powerful and eloquent voice. Ted Heath to his eternal credit sacked him from his shadow cabinet despite Powell's popularity amongst the Tory base.

    If the racism wasn't bad enough, Powell as Health Minister rejected a public inquiry into the thalidomide scandal and wouldn't even meet the child victims. Margaret Thatcher described Powell as an "asset" - but Powell's legacy is that of a man who died as a sad old irrelevance who achieved nothing of note in politics. I hope both are burning in hell.
    Yasmin Alibhai-Brown was good on this in the i today. Said he gave white working class fears and prejudices the cloak of intellect and reason. This immediately resulted in a march on Westminster by the dockers demanding mass deportation of Caribbean immigrants.

    He stirred the pot in order to try to unseat Ted Heath, who was right to sack him.

    Pleased to see hard righty JRM coming out against the speech the other day on Twitter, thus deflating his fascist supporters who looked to him to give the veneer of intellectualism that Powell gave sixties racism.

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    Where is the Corbyn surge that so many promised us? The PM may be weak but 10+ months on from the general election the dissent within her own party hasn’t got any worse and the opposition are busy arguing amongst themselves about Syria, antisemitism, the EU, mandatory reselection etc.

    Will Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition please stand up (United)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabbar Singh View Post
    Where is the Corbyn surge that so many promised us? The PM may be weak but 10+ months on from the general election the dissent within her own party hasn’t got any worse and the opposition are busy arguing amongst themselves about Syria, antisemitism, the EU, mandatory reselection etc.

    Will Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition please stand up (United)!
    The hard left always eats itself. It separates into faction which try to outdo each other with ideological purity.

    It’s a shame because a more credible leader would command a twenty point lead over these useless Tories.

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    The antisemitism thing seems to have put the brakes on a bit. Labour are still polling 40% however so this could be very much built upon in the lead up to a General Election. Corbyn can bank on this approach because he is by far the best doorstep campaigner out of any of the current party leaders, apart from Caroline Lucas perhaps but her party is too small to have an impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    The antisemitism thing seems to have put the brakes on a bit. Labour are still polling 40% however so this could be very much built upon in the lead up to a General Election. Corbyn can bank on this approach because he is by far the best doorstep campaigner out of any of the current party leaders, apart from Caroline Lucas perhaps but her party is too small to have an impact.
    Hopefully only amongst the chattering classes and the journos. Lets face it, antisemitism within Labour is probably far less than in sections of the Tory party, the difference being that: a) Within Labour it is in public and out in the open, whereas amongst the right-wing Tories, it more likely to be behind closed doors.

    And b) There are vested groups who are using the label of antisemitism to undermine Corbyn (including those within Labour who've tried every other tactic to remove Corbyn as party leader), as well as those who shout antisemitism as a means of silencing any criticism of Israel. This can be seen by the fact that even Jewish supporters of Corbyn and/or Jewish members of the Labour Party who are critical of Israeli policies are now being labelled as antisemitic!

    How else do you explain Jeremy Corbyn being criticised/ accused of antisemitism by mainstream Jewish groups (whose leaders are mainly senior Tories) for attending a Jewish religious festival organised by Jewdas, a Jewish group that has amongst it's members those who lost close relatives at the hands of the Nazis during the Holocaust! The crime of Jewdas is that the group is often critical of Israel and Israeli policies.


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    Antisemitism...oh that tool again.

    Moving the conversation on from that **, who has been following the story on the "windrush" individuals, basically those who came over from the Caribbean in the 50s and are now being told they are not British and must move out.

    It has transpired that the Home Office, under May and now Rudd, actively destroyed documentation that may have proven these individuals were living in Britain legally. All so that net migration numbers could be decreased...this type of scandal should be enough for Rudd and May to lose their jobs and the government to be ousted...yet the British government, under Cameron, May and with buffoons like Boris have had scandal after scandal, but keeps standing.

    There was the illegal spying on citizens, which thanks to law changes is now legal, there wast he illegal bombing of Libya, there was Grenfell tower, these is the mockery of Brexit and now this. How can these politicians survive time and time again? Where is the Parliamentary procedure to remove them? Why has the media spent the last month covering a non story in the antisemitism and not covering May's consistent lies?

    I thought last year was bad but if British people are willing to put up with this for another year then I truly feel sorry for this nation and its apathy to law, order and morality.

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    yawn!!! so ambivalent towards contemporary politics and politicians, a shiz show for the eras.

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    The antisemitism thing is a blatant fraud.

    There are children of Holocaust survivors and a son of a Rabbi being accused of being 'antisemitic' by the current Right Wing dominated Labour Compliance department !

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    Two more Conservative council seats fell to the LDs last night. The long slow rebuild job continues....

    Bring on 3rd May. I hope that a surge in Remain party seats will send a message to Tories and Labour to stay in the CU and SM.

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    It's no wonder why May had to play the Russian gambit, twice in a month.

    She is losing points, and is desperate to earn as many points as possible. Russia topic seems to do the trick!

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    The Guardian reports 78 homeless people died last winter.

    They add the number of recorded deaths of homeless people has more than doubled over the last five years. So far, 40 deaths have been recorded this year, meaning at least 318 homeless people have died since 2013.

    What a country we live in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    The Guardian reports 78 homeless people died last winter.

    They add the number of recorded deaths of homeless people has more than doubled over the last five years. So far, 40 deaths have been recorded this year, meaning at least 318 homeless people have died since 2013.

    What a country we live in.
    And people line up the streets and the media are ablaze as today a family on welfare just had their third child born into unimaginable wealth and prosperity off the back of taxpayers who suffer a poor health service and myriads of other issues.

    Britain really is strange at times! (Not that we have it any better)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Donal Cozzie View Post
    And people line up the streets and the media are ablaze as today a family on welfare just had their third child born into unimaginable wealth and prosperity off the back of taxpayers who suffer a poor health service and myriads of other issues.

    Britain really is strange at times! (Not that we have it any better)
    Will probably result in a feelgoid factor bump for May in the polls, like the birth of Prince William. She badly needs it after the Windrush omnishambles.

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    Forty Labour MPs and Peers march in support of Ruth Smeeth MP as she walks to give evidence at a disciplinary hearing against an activist.

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    What are UK's thoughts on Maajid Nawaz?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    What are UK's thoughts on Maajid Nawaz?
    He's irrelevant at the moment, might be trotted if there's another terror attack. At the moment the media if fully focused on trying to smear Corbyn as a Trotsky anti-semite. Which he could well be for all I know, I don't really follow any of this in depth.


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    Maajid Nawaz is a very isolated, marginal and much discredited figure in the UK

    He has been filmed harassing a woman in a strip club
    He stood as a potential MP for Liberal Party and got almost zero votes
    He claimed to have 'de-radicalised' racist Tommy Robinson but it came out that basically it was a scam and they simply paid Tommy Robinson to go along with the charade. Robinson has if anything become more racist

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    There is a Petition calling for Tory Party to disassociate from AntiSemitic EU Parties they are in coalition with

    https://www.change.org/p/theresa-may...share_petition

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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    Maajid Nawaz is a very isolated, marginal and much discredited figure in the UK

    He has been filmed harassing a woman in a strip club
    He stood as a potential MP for Liberal Party and got almost zero votes
    He claimed to have 'de-radicalised' racist Tommy Robinson but it came out that basically it was a scam and they simply paid Tommy Robinson to go along with the charade. Robinson has if anything become more racist
    I was aware of the club incident but the rest is new info.

    Thanks mate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    He's irrelevant at the moment, might be trotted if there's another terror attack. At the moment the media if fully focused on trying to smear Corbyn as a Trotsky anti-semite. Which he could well be for all I know, I don't really follow any of this in depth.
    Who has the most support right now amongst the UK right now?


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    Jeremy Corbyn leads a political party which received the most votes it ever has 13 million
    Labour Party has highest number of members in a generation 600,000
    Momentum the pro-Corbyn campaign group has 40,000 members so almost as large as Tory and Liberal Party in terms of membership

    Nobody knows who or what Maajid Nawaz is

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    Who has the most support right now amongst the UK right now?
    Again, not really keeping up to date with it, but my hunch would be May and the Conservatives, the media campaign to discredit Corbyn might not deter the majority of potential Labour voters, but it will swing enough to make a difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Again, not really keeping up to date with it, but my hunch would be May and the Conservatives, the media campaign to discredit Corbyn might not deter the majority of potential Labour voters, but it will swing enough to make a difference.
    Thanks Cap.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    What are UK's thoughts on Maajid Nawaz?
    Maajid strikes me as a man who has swapped one big idea (Islamism) for another (Liberalism). He can come across as the British liberal version of an American right-wing shock-jock.

    He shines a light, but he creates a lot of heat too. He’s be more effective if he kept his keen intellect and debating skills but moderated his often confrontational language.


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