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    "There was no terrorism in Pakistan before the Afghan war" : DG ISPR

    The chief military spokesperson has said that there cannot be lasting peace in the region unless security and stability is ensured in Afghanistan.

    “There was no terrorism in Pakistan before the Afghan war and our target is to take Pakistan to the pre-war peaceful era,” Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) DG Maj Gen Asif Ghafoor said during an interview to a private news channel.

    “Peace has returned to the Pakistan and its future is prosperous,” he added.

    “The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) could never have defeated al Qaeda in Afghanistan without Pakistan’s support, the DG said when asked about US President Trump’s recent tirade against Pakistan.

    In his tweet on January 1, Trump had lashed out Pakistan, accusing the country of “lying and deceit” in return for billions of dollars. He had also accused the country of harbouring terrorists and providing safe havens to them.

    US blaming Pakistan for its own failures in Afghanistan: Khurram Dastagir

    According to DG ISPR, Pakistan provided ISAF all logistic and intelligence support to overcome terrorism in Afghanistan. “Pakistan, with significantly less resources achieved what the security forces in Afghanistan couldn’t with all of their resources,” he said.

    Pakistan, he said, proposed to Afghanistan a bilateral border control mechanism. “The issues at the border can be improved through better coordination.”

    Maj Gen Ghafoor said that Pakistan successfully defeated terrorism through Operation Zarb-e-Azb. “It was decided that the terrorists will not be allowed to flee to Afghanistan.”

    “[On the other hand] India is still active in [perpetrating terrorism] inside Pakistan.” We have a perpetual security threat from the East, he added.

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    There were no Islamic terrorist groups before 1967. (6 day war).

    It's all rigged.

    Cause and effect.

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    Should have kept out of the Afghan war then, right? To late now to be crying over spilt milk. There were also no Pakistanis involved in 9/11 yet we have been the biggest victims. No, the American's were not gonna bomb us back to the stone age had we refused every demand of theirs after 9//11, Musharraf just gave in. Of course India is involved in Afghanistan like Chuck Hagel said.

    Until we start putting Pakistan first instead of this one Ummah nonsense our priorities will always be messed up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Should have kept out of the Afghan war then, right? To late now to be crying over spilt milk. There were also no Pakistanis involved in 9/11 yet we have been the biggest victims. No, the American's were not gonna bomb us back to the stone age had we refused every demand of theirs after 9//11, Musharraf just gave in. Of course India is involved in Afghanistan like Chuck Hagel said.

    Until we start putting Pakistan first instead of this one Ummah nonsense our priorities will always be messed up.
    You are oversimplifying things. It wasnt as straight forward for Pakistan to simply refuse help to USA in Afghan war. There were a multitude of factors which compelled Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    You are oversimplifying things. It wasnt as straight forward for Pakistan to simply refuse help to USA in Afghan war. There were a multitude of factors which compelled Pakistan.
    America put ten demands on the line at the time or something, Mush accepted all of them without thinking off the consequences. Could have just accepted just two or three. The American's have been unable to do anything to Iran or North Korea. They will never attack a country that is capable of hurting them in return.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    America put ten demands on the line at the time or something, Mush accepted all of them without thinking off the consequences. Could have just accepted just two or three. The American's have been unable to do anything to Iran or North Korea. They will never attack a country that is capable of hurting them in return.
    How will you hurt American main land?

    NoKo is a mess. Iran is facing people's protest because of economic difficulties. There are more than one way to wage a war againist a country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    How will you hurt American main land?

    NoKo is a mess. Iran is facing people's protest because of economic difficulties. There are more than one way to wage a war againist a country.
    Didn't say their mainland but can harm them in Afghanistan and their interests in the Middle East. The point is that the American's threatened war on Iran and North Korea. When they promised to retaliate Trump and his bullies sat down. You know at school the bully eventually got his back side kicked when everyone ganged up against him. Iran and NK are in a mess due to their own actions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Didn't say their mainland but can harm them in Afghanistan and their interests in the Middle East. The point is that the American's threatened war on Iran and North Korea. When they promised to retaliate Trump and his bullies sat down. You know at school the bully eventually got his back side kicked when everyone ganged up against him. Iran and NK are in a mess due to their own actions.
    Pakistan will harm US interests and US will not retaliate? Right?

    NoKo is a pariah state.US has made it sure. Just because Kim Jong Un can live doesnt mean NoKo is a flourishing country.

    Iran one of the world's largest oil producers is facing such economic hardships that the people are now out on the streets protesting .

    US didnot need to send boots to Iran or NoKo, economic sanctions took care of it.Hell even Russia is suffering due to US sanctions.


    US is a bully because it controls the biggest economic and military alliance in the world.Thats the hard fact.

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    General Zia say hello


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    General Zia say hello
    Zia might have sowed the seed but Pakistan was quite peaceful in 90s compared to 2000s and 2010s. The war after 9/11 caused mayhem in Pakistan, and also drone attacks killing civilians didn't help at all. It supported narrative of Taliban that Pakistan government being stooges of western power so there must be a Jihad in Pakistan, youngsters were brainwashed by this mindset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shah_1 View Post
    Zia might have sowed the seed but Pakistan was quite peaceful in 90s compared to 2000s and 2010s. The war after 9/11 caused mayhem in Pakistan, and also drone attacks killing civilians didn't help at all. It supported narrative of Taliban that Pakistan government being stooges of western power so there must be a Jihad in Pakistan, youngsters were brainwashed by this mindset.
    lol peacefull?

    Our media was controlled by this buffoon. Womens rights were violated.

    A women named Zainab was raped back in his day,and he made it an adultery case and the women was jailed. I think she got death sentence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    lol peacefull?

    Our media was controlled by this buffoon. Womens rights were violated.

    A women named Zainab was raped back in his day,and he made it an adultery case and the women was jailed. I think she got death sentence.

    I'm talking about 90s, not Zia ul Haq era. I was saying comparatively peaceful, you can check the facts if you want to.

    http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countr...orinc2004.htm#

    Zia ul Haq era was more like dictatorship and brutal authoritarian rule , your example was a good one for that. I did say he sowed the seed by helping extremist grow in Pakistan but what made them explode into terrorism was after 9/11 war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Pakistan will harm US interests and US will not retaliate? Right?

    NoKo is a pariah state.US has made it sure. Just because Kim Jong Un can live doesnt mean NoKo is a flourishing country.

    Iran one of the world's largest oil producers is facing such economic hardships that the people are now out on the streets protesting .

    US didnot need to send boots to Iran or NoKo, economic sanctions took care of it.Hell even Russia is suffering due to US sanctions.


    US is a bully because it controls the biggest economic and military alliance in the world.Thats the hard fact.
    US will retaliate so we will have an ugly fight. Do you ever think of anything other then killings or being killed? Of course US is a bully but it can not bully Pak like it does Arab countries. As stated we can hurt them where it hurts though admittedly their weapons are the best in the world. Had that been the deciding factor they would not be on their knees in Afghanistan. Never mind the if's and but's, the American's did not attack Iran or NK. I understand that as an Indian you want the American's to attack Pak on your behalf.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    US will retaliate so we will have an ugly fight. Do you ever think of anything other then killings or being killed? Of course US is a bully but it can not bully Pak like it does Arab countries. As stated we can hurt them where it hurts though admittedly their weapons are the best in the world. Had that been the deciding factor they would not be on their knees in Afghanistan. Never mind the if's and but's, the American's did not attack Iran or NK. I understand that as an Indian you want the American's to attack Pak on your behalf.
    India didnot need America in 65 or 71 or 99.We do not need them now to handle Pakistan. Indias resources, military economic and diplomatic outstrip Pakistan by some distance.

    Pakistan has a very small economy compared to US and miniscule when compared to NATO. Pakistans ability to do anything againist US is extremely limited while US can hurt Pakistan economically, militarily and diplomatically. No one is going to go to war againist US for Pakistan.

    Why will US go to war in NoKo when they can starve them?

    Why will US go to war in Iran when they can watch Iranians go againist their own govt.?

    Regarding killing or killed, well next time think about the retaliation NATO can bring before making claims of hurting US. Except for Russia and China to a certain extent no other country can hurt US militarily economically or diplomatically enough for them to stagger back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    America put ten demands on the line at the time or something, Mush accepted all of them without thinking off the consequences. Could have just accepted just two or three. The American's have been unable to do anything to Iran or North Korea. They will never attack a country that is capable of hurting them in return.

    How exactly would the said country hurt America? I would like to hear the fantasies of the virtual world you live in..

    America/NATO doesn’t need to go to war with countries like Pakistan they can hamper them economically/fuel further insurgencies/and ultimately get population to turn against whoever is in power.. In short country will be in a mess..

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    Yes, I agree that there was a lot of pressure at that time and Musharraf had to cooperate with the US on war on terror but there was no need for giving our airbases to americans and allowing there agencies to work in Pakistan .
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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    India didnot need America in 65 or 71 or 99.We do not need them now to handle Pakistan. Indias resources, military economic and diplomatic outstrip Pakistan by some distance.

    Pakistan has a very small economy compared to US and miniscule when compared to NATO. Pakistans ability to do anything againist US is extremely limited while US can hurt Pakistan economically, militarily and diplomatically. No one is going to go to war againist US for Pakistan.

    Why will US go to war in NoKo when they can starve them?

    Why will US go to war in Iran when they can watch Iranians go againist their own govt.?

    Regarding killing or killed, well next time think about the retaliation NATO can bring before making claims of hurting US. Except for Russia and China to a certain extent no other country can hurt US militarily economically or diplomatically enough for them to stagger back.
    We can hurt US in Afghanistan and the Middle East, everyone knows that apart from you! NATO can't even defeat a ragtag Taliban army with Kalashnikov's never mind a well oiled army like Pak's. So what is stopping the NATO from attacking Pak if they are that great? From what I am seeing the Taliban is rubbing your NATO'S noses on the ground then laughing at them

    The point is that the USA threatened military action against Iran and NK only to back down when the other side told them what would happen to them in return. So the USA can stop our aid, Pak has told them to do it! Won't make much difference to us at all. You seem to suffer from a massive American complex thinking they are superhuman or something! I don't see them like that at all. Just a few years back when Pak closed the supply line to Afghanistan your American's where begging Pak to open it!

    We did you in 65 and 99 without anyone's help no matter how much your media insists otherwise. Of course being nine times bigger in size it is only natural for you to have more resources but past events should tell you we don;t fear you an iota! The nukes are a massive equaliser and our are far better then yours that can target every part of India. Never forget that. We don't need anyone to fight our battles like you did Israel in Kargil. https://www.indiatoday.in/fyi/story/...521-2017-07-05

    Pak can do a lot against the American's whose army is spread all over the world! So I am waiting for the American's to attack Pak then see how we make them squeak like mice in Afghanistan. Pak is fully capable in defending itself if war is forced upon us no matter how poor our economy is. First the US should defeat the Taliban who is spanking them before thinking of taking us on. We are and will continue to blackmail the American's in Afghanistan. https://blogs.timesofindia.indiatime...-rising-power/


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    We can hurt US in Afghanistan and the Middle East, everyone knows that apart from you! NATO can't even defeat a ragtag Taliban army with Kalashnikov's never mind a well oiled army like Pak's. So what is stopping the NATO from attacking Pak if they are that great? From what I am seeing the Taliban is rubbing your NATO'S noses on the ground then laughing at them

    The point is that the USA threatened military action against Iran and NK only to back down when the other side told them what would happen to them in return. So the USA can stop our aid, Pak has told them to do it! Won't make much difference to us at all. You seem to suffer from a massive American complex thinking they are superhuman or something! I don't see them like that at all. Just a few years back when Pak closed the supply line to Afghanistan your American's where begging Pak to open it!

    We did you in 65 and 99 without anyone's help no matter how much your media insists otherwise. Of course being nine times bigger in size it is only natural for you to have more resources but past events should tell you we don;t fear you an iota! The nukes are a massive equaliser and our are far better then yours that can target every part of India. Never forget that. We don't need anyone to fight our battles like you did Israel in Kargil. https://www.indiatoday.in/fyi/story/...521-2017-07-05

    Pak can do a lot against the American's whose army is spread all over the world! So I am waiting for the American's to attack Pak then see how we make them squeak like mice in Afghanistan. Pak is fully capable in defending itself if war is forced upon us no matter how poor our economy is. First the US should defeat the Taliban who is spanking them before thinking of taking us on. We are and will continue to blackmail the American's in Afghanistan. https://blogs.timesofindia.indiatime...-rising-power/
    You can do jack to America. Esp. in the middle east.

    Taliban are hiding running living in the caves. Lol. Thats their level of survival. Pak Army doesnt have the means to attack the US main land while US can hit anywhere in Pakistan. We know who goes begging around the world, so dont embarass yourself.

    Point is US has literally starved NoKo and caused so much economic turmoil that started anti govt protests in one of the worlds largest oil producers. They have done all this without firing a bullet.

    Lol. Pakistan suffered huge losses in 99 and its on the record by Pakistani leaders. Yoyr army ran away leaving behind its dead soldiers. In 1965 Pakistan started a war to take Kashmir but had to run back to save Lahore.Go read history books and not ISPR propoganda.

    Better nukes than India?LOL. From when did

    HEU bombs have higher yields and capability than Thermonuclear ones? Another ignorant comment.

    Every Pakistani nuke can be and will be retaliated by a higher yield Indian nuke.Dont forget that.


    Indian Army broke Pakistan into two and took 93k Pakistanis as POWs. Then mercifully returned them.Learn lessons from past events.

    If you didnot know let me tell you, buying weapons during war is a normal phenomenon.

    Not even Afghan Army fears Pakistan, your capabilities, rather limitations of it is well known. Your ability to hurt American interests is very limited and is based upon supporting Taliban in Afghanistan. America and NATO can target any part of Pakistan whenever they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    You can do jack to America. Esp. in the middle east.

    Taliban are hiding running living in the caves. Lol. Thats their level of survival. Pak Army doesnt have the means to attack the US main land while US can hit anywhere in Pakistan. We know who goes begging around the world, so dont embarass yourself.

    Point is US has literally starved NoKo and caused so much economic turmoil that started anti govt protests in one of the worlds largest oil producers. They have done all this without firing a bullet.

    Lol. Pakistan suffered huge losses in 99 and its on the record by Pakistani leaders. Yoyr army ran away leaving behind its dead soldiers. In 1965 Pakistan started a war to take Kashmir but had to run back to save Lahore.Go read history books and not ISPR propoganda.

    Better nukes than India?LOL. From when did

    HEU bombs have higher yields and capability than Thermonuclear ones? Another ignorant comment.

    Every Pakistani nuke can be and will be retaliated by a higher yield Indian nuke.Dont forget that.


    Indian Army broke Pakistan into two and took 93k Pakistanis as POWs. Then mercifully returned them.Learn lessons from past events.

    If you didnot know let me tell you, buying weapons during war is a normal phenomenon.

    Not even Afghan Army fears Pakistan, your capabilities, rather limitations of it is well known. Your ability to hurt American interests is very limited and is based upon supporting Taliban in Afghanistan. America and NATO can target any part of Pakistan whenever they want.
    Yeah just like we broke you in 1947 where million's were thrown out of their homes, remember?? You still make movies on them even today where as Bangladesh is independent. I suggest you look at your history before lecturing others. At least our soldiers are not starving and can fight unlike yours who are even walloped by their own seniors. Even little Sri Lanka and Nepal don't fear them never mind anyone else! I wonder what is stopping the American's from attacking Pak, the same thing that is stopping India from doing it unless it wants a few slaps!

    So you will retaliate...of course you will! I wonder why you did not attack us after Uri, Pathankot and 26/11 ? What I saw was your childish attempts to mimic American war type programmes until we showed you our teeth! That was enough to put you in your place, Israel will probably not be helping you next time either! What you on about "buying weapons" when Israel helped you in more ways then that! I know it is humiliating for you to accept that! "HEU bombs have higher yields and capability than Thermonuclear ones?" What? I made know comment on that, were the links I provided to burning for you?? Even your generals say you lost Kargil where you at least took an equal number of hits, do you not know that? I have read open books on Indo-Pak wars where your generals in 1965 wanted to have dinner at Lahore gymkhana. we made sure that they never eat again anywhere! That is the truth, nothing but the truth! But we are still fighting for Kashmir and will never give up!

    See we understand your game that you want an Pak-USA war, coz you are to chicken to fight s yourselves so need someone else to do it. You will not hear all of this on silly Indian chat shows where people scream at each other You would not know what impartial means. Look iit up in a dictionary if you know how to use one. Now, after war Pak probably felt that you would target our soldiers which is why they did not go back for the dead ones. It is simple common sense.

    I did not say Pak can attack American mainland and neither do we need to.Just makes them bleed in Afghanistan as the Indian article I provided suggests. I can see your frustration when your cheap army can not even fight the Sri Lankans Hungry men can't fight! Taliban rules at least 50% of Afghanistan, we know far more then you do being their neighbours. Nawaz Sharif went begging not every Pakistani and now we are telling the American's what they can do with their aid! You worry about building toilets and telling your people how to use them! People with an out of control poverty stricken population should not interfere in the affairs or others.

    Not my fault that you can't see what happened to the American's when we closed the supply route to Afghanistan a few years back. America will not be fighting us on your behalf, sorry it ain't gonna happen no matter how much you try to provoke or encourage it. Your army has no capabilities apart from killing innocent Kashmiris. They are highly unprofessional unit who fight like eunuchs.


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    It makes for good entertainment when chest thumpers from both sides take the gloves off


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    It makes for good entertainment when chest thumpers from both sides take the gloves off
    They need to be shown the mirror bro! That is where I come in!


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