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13th January 2018, 03:32 #1
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Why does Shoaib Malik get so much criticism from fans?
I think he has evolved in the last year or so (if you notice he has changed his grip a little bit after CT which has allowed him more leverage for stroke play) and can be a perfect no 6 .As far as playing on bouncy wickets is concerned he has improved a little bit(In the past he couldn't do anything about deliveries targeting his ribs but the slight change in grip has allowed him leverage and he is a little less late now).
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13th January 2018, 03:40 #2
not sure if you followed this series.
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13th January 2018, 03:52 #3
Malik has easily been the best Pakistani batsman in every format all across the globe in both domestic and international cricket.
It is actually ridiculously amateur to criticize him. He is one of our very few international class batsman.
Hafeez and Azhar deserve criticism as they have failed in every format anywhere and everywhere around the world.
Opening post spot on. Lots of guys should be given the boot but definitely not Malik
if you are not attacking you are defending. And if you are defending you are losing.
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13th January 2018, 03:53 #4
Malik, the people's champ.
A skilled hawk conceals its talons.
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13th January 2018, 04:06 #5
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The guy is a politician. OP not sure what you watched to come to the conclusion that he has improved. Somethings never changes like hafeez/ azhar batting. Malik was neither a decent bat nor a good bowler
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13th January 2018, 04:09 #6
Malik is criticized for being a lion in UAE but turns out to be a kitten when he faces quality fast bowling in alien condition.
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13th January 2018, 04:09 #7
People were willing to give him a chance because he was a beast in suitable conditions but there were questions over his ability outside Asia. He has failed yet again just like he did years ago the moment he stepped in to face 130+ pacers.
He deserves what's coming his way. Probably still the best player of spin in the team, but you don't need to be a gifted fast bowler for him to hang out his bat and give you a wicket.
Swing it like Akram, whack it like Afridi, live it like Inti.
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13th January 2018, 04:12 #8
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Isn’t that most if pak batting consist of? When ball comes below knees ll play like lion. Little movement or height forget it
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13th January 2018, 04:49 #9
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Malik has excellent to good stats since his return to international cricket. But suffered his way through and still trying to do better in alien conditions. He had few escapes with illness and injuries during overseas tours to England and Australia in the recent past but now getting exposed in alien conditions. Among the seniors he is the one who has purchased the modern day cricket of scoring quick which he had in him naturally in the past so it wasn’t foreign for him to adapt n score quickly.
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13th January 2018, 04:52 #10
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Because your experienced players should lead from the front on these tough tours.
Yet its the most inexperienced players who are the most contributing members of the team on this tour:
fakhar
shadab
faheem
hasan
rumman
Malik is an experienced player so there is much expected of him. He can't just perform when its easy.
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13th January 2018, 05:38 #11
Because he is a poor player of pace and his filled his boot against minnows/bad bowling attacks.He has failed against good bowling attacks and on pitches that are slightly harder to play on.He was rubbish in the CT.He scored some soft,impact-less runs in the last ODI in England.I don’t recall his performance in Australia atm so he must not have been impressive.
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13th January 2018, 05:41 #12
Shoaib Malik's inability to put ball to pacers on overseas wickets has been a feature throughout his career. But to be honest he hasn't masqueraded as anything more than a useful player, like Mohammed Hafeez. Malik has always been a you-get-what-you-see kinda guy. Hafeez's pompous attitude while being out of depth irks a lot of fans here.
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13th January 2018, 06:20 #13
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I don't care how badly people hate Hafeez, he played an incredible knock in the CT final (one-off), and despite his age produced the goods in one game vs NZ, despite everyone else failing around him. Malik for all his credentials on flat track has been woeful away from Asia.
No scoring a 40 in a low scoring game win against Australia doesn't count.
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13th January 2018, 06:40 #14
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Him, Azhar Ali and Hafeez should all be dropped forever.
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13th January 2018, 08:01 #15
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What did I say ? People were going gaga over Malik's form in Asia where he bullied SL and WI to his heart's content.
But he cannot play quality pace outside Asia - his record in England and NZ is shameful.
Before I said we needed to drop one of Hafeez or Malik. Now I want both out. 18 years is enough.
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13th January 2018, 08:04 #16
Azhar out Amin in
Hafeez out Harris in
Malik out Yamin in
There are already better replacements.
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13th January 2018, 08:10 #17
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13th January 2018, 12:50 #18
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Shoaib still deserves a place in the side. He can still contribute with the ball and is one of our better fielders. Also I admire the fact that he maintains his fitness and is always hustling. Azhar and Hafeez have no place in modern cricket. Shoaib does.
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13th January 2018, 12:54 #19
Malik is the real “professor”
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13th January 2018, 12:56 #20
I think because of the time zone difference you haven't been following the matches
#Mein inko rolaonga
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13th January 2018, 13:32 #21
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Agree totally with OP.
Of all these players, Malik consistently gets picked by franchises for T20. There's a reason. He's genuinely competent and good at limited overs cricket. Not true for Hafeez (anymore) or Azhar.
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13th January 2018, 13:37 #22
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13th January 2018, 15:13 #23
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13th January 2018, 15:23 #24
Where is the development when he is still failing in the NZ?
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13th January 2018, 15:29 #25
Can’t beleive we’re still talking about Malik in 2018...
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13th January 2018, 15:54 #26
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13th January 2018, 16:16 #27
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He is playing for 18 years around 260+ odi matches, he is the seniormost player in Pakistan team, has toured New Zealand 4 times, played against them 7 times in a bilateral or trilateral odi series and a 19 year old Shadab Khan is playing better than him on the first tour whereas someones happy his technique has finally improved after playing for 18 years.
Same for Hafeez who has played 200 matches and Azhar who has played 54 odis. The top 4 batting that has screwed Pakistan's chances is the most experience even Babar Azam is on his 2nd tour to New Zealand whereas they could'nt add 15 runs together in latest odi, and the first time visiting PAkistani no.8, no.9 bowlers have made more runs than them. Time for criticism has gone past 5 years back how are they in the team is the only thing that should be asked.
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13th January 2018, 16:23 #28
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I get your point - I agree that he's been a much better performer over the past 2 years, and easily a few leagues better than Hafeez and particularly Azhar
but the fact is, he has major flaws, and there is no end game to counting with him.
He's not going to improve, why even stick with him at this point? He's not a Inzamam or a Tedulkar or Lara who can carry on because of his legacy and stature
'I was shivering facing Akhtar' -Tendulkar
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13th January 2018, 16:29 #29
Malik will always be criticized as for many he is a TTF.
Yes he has serious issues against genuine pace, but still scores a lot of runs in Asian conditions or other flat tracks. The guy has won a lot of games since 2015. Pakistan usually plays most of its games in Asia anyway so maybe not wise to kick him out for one series only.
"You aren't a failure if you fail, you are a failure if you don't get up to try again" - Imran Khan.
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13th January 2018, 16:46 #30
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13th January 2018, 17:01 #31
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This thread is a joke, Malik has been a useless player for the longest time. Regardless of what needs to be done with Azhar ir Hafeez, Malik needs to be dropped now and put in place a plan for getting his replacement ready for the World Cup.
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13th January 2018, 17:20 #32
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Malik at best is a minnow basher. He has scored against
Zimbabwe, weakened West Indies, weakened Sri Lankan
sides and some people think he is the next bradman.
Take him out of Asia against any decent side and he
will struggle to get to a 50. Whilst our bowlers like
Hasan Ali and shadab are making 50's.
Hafeez and Malik should be dropped for good.
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13th January 2018, 17:55 #33
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13th January 2018, 18:02 #34
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I still'll say - Malik shouldn't be in this list with MoHa & Azhar.
No one (well almost everyone - I did read post 2015 Mian to be one of the best ODI batsmen ever for PAKclaimed him to be a hunk against pacers and he is failing predictably. Difference is, guy had been a beast in his favorable condition, which the other 2 hardly been. I don't think, it's justified to bring against whom or where, because PAK's record in those period also is built mostly against same opponents, barring that CT win.
Any way, these 3 had the chance to leave on high after CT win - these days, still they could have made a decent earning from PLs & SLs after retirement; but sadly (for PAK cricket) they backed on Ul Haq and he is serving them perfectly - won't be surprised in MoHa opens against AUS in Test, come October.
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13th January 2018, 18:07 #35
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13th January 2018, 18:11 #36
Can't criticize too many Pakistani players for being minnow bashers, we have never had any quality batsman who was consistent against good quality bowling attacks barring Javed Mianded. Inzi and Yousaf fell short 9 times out ten against South Africa and Australia
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13th January 2018, 18:33 #37
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13th January 2018, 18:35 #38
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13th January 2018, 18:40 #39
People are quick to forget that he's been the one carting the ball everywhere in T20's, he's been one of our best batsmen in ODI's though. Only blemish is that he hasn't been as good against quality swing bowling on a juicy green pitch.
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13th January 2018, 18:52 #40
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13th January 2018, 18:53 #41
My hypothesis is that if we replace Malik with a new upcoming middle order batsman and give him the backing that Malik enjoys then he might provide us with better results.
Can we test this hypothesis, please?
It is actually odd that we haven't tried out any new middle order batsmen for a long time, while we did introduce new openers and lower order batsmen.
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13th January 2018, 18:56 #42
because all the players you have listed are senior players - who have played in NZ many times - and look like thr a new young player- playing for the first time at NZ
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13th January 2018, 18:59 #43
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13th January 2018, 19:29 #44
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Last edited by BakuGM; 13th January 2018 at 19:31. Reason: grammar
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13th January 2018, 19:31 #45
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13th January 2018, 21:05 #46
Malik can be kept around but he shouldn't be a guaranteed starter like he is now.
Bored of talking about how useless Azhar and Hafeez are in LO.
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13th January 2018, 21:08 #47
Malik deserves criticism during this tour.
Hasn't contributed one bit and seems to knick it to slips whilst playing away from his body after surviving for a few deliveries....
Atleast Hafeez scored 60 odd in the 2nd ODI.
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13th January 2018, 21:29 #48
Exactly. People like Malik because he is a nice guy. Problem is that doesn't matter. What matters is performance. And he hasn't given any. If he's such a good mentor make him coach. But he's not a good enough player. It's high time Azhar and Malik are dropped for Imam and Haris.
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13th January 2018, 21:33 #49
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13th January 2018, 21:38 #50
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13th January 2018, 21:50 #51
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13th January 2018, 21:55 #52
Malik has done jack for us in the past few years. Simply feasted off Zimbabwe, WI and SL. Any random batsmen in Pak. could've done that.
In England 2016 series he flopped every match except the last dead rubber. Should've been kicked out then, but he wasn't, so should be kicked out now.
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13th January 2018, 22:03 #53
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13th January 2018, 22:04 #54
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14th January 2018, 18:35 #55
Sarfraz has a lot to be accountable for.
His own batting performances continue to decline series after series.
And unfortunately no - moving him to no. 4 is not justifiable at all when Babar, Haris and even Malik are superior batsman to him. He had to adjust to the no. 6 position or else be booted out.
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14th January 2018, 18:52 #56
Sarfraz is far superior to Hafeez and Malik as a batsman. He has sacrificed himself for these two and playing out of position where he is a useless duck. Malik specially has looked like a tail ender, with his feet going absolutely nowhere. Just cannot play bounce at pace at all. Even after 250 ODIs, if your senior batsman gets out that way, the rest will definitely be affected.
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14th January 2018, 18:59 #57
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15th January 2018, 09:06 #58
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the greatest cricketing brain in Pakistan. A true legend. His innings was one of the greatest I have ever seen. Reminded me of the time he hit Anderson for 6 sixes at the Oval in 2010..
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15th January 2018, 09:59 #59
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15th January 2018, 11:56 #60
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15th January 2018, 13:14 #61
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15th January 2018, 13:46 #62
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Azhar Ali average is better than Malik, Hafeez and Safraz in ODIs and Tests. Azhar Ali majority of the score in in away series while Malik,Hafeez and Sarfraz are home tigers only.
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15th January 2018, 13:55 #63
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oh yes your right , how could I forget. I got mixed up with the innings in tha match against australia where he smashed watson all over Lords.
I agree with everyone. We should simply let Malik choose where he wants to bat. He's that good. Can never be dropped and anyone suggesting it is high.
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15th January 2018, 13:56 #64
lol at people saying he contributes with bowl.How many overs has he bowled in total in ODI’s since his comeback in 2015?Less than 30,I’d wager.
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15th January 2018, 15:09 #65
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How can Sarfraz be called as "home tiger" ? ..
He scored century in England, He scored century in Australia, he scored 90 in England. Something what your tigers like Misbah, Malik, Hafeez, Akmal brothers and Ahmed Shahzad can only dream of.
Didn't you know his average at top 5 positions ?
He is doing blunder with himself by not coming at upper numbers.
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15th January 2018, 16:29 #66
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15th January 2018, 16:57 #67
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What about that 49 against SA in NZ in WC 2015
What about that 90 vs England ?
Has any other batsman scored century in that WC 2015 ?? So called champions like Misbah, Akmal, Ahmed Shahzad ???
In modern day cricket centuries aren't a big deal while we pakistanis are still in 80s and 90s
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15th January 2018, 20:49 #68
Malik is not a player who will save a sinking ship.
If you have a solid base i.e. 150-3 in 30 overs, Malik will 9 out of 10 times perform and finish the match for you.
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16th January 2018, 02:08 #69
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Malik, what a champion batsman for Pakistan. Maybe the greatest ever to have ever played.
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16th January 2018, 02:20 #70
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How many other Pakistani batsmen averaged 57 or better last year?
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16th January 2018, 02:27 #71
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In Asia?
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16th January 2018, 02:28 #72
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When has he ever scored in Aus, NZ, Eng or SA?
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16th January 2018, 02:32 #73
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16th January 2018, 02:32 #74
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16th January 2018, 04:02 #75
What a legendary innings he played today.THIS is why he can’t be criticised.He is simply too good for the rest of our batsmen to compete with.
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20th February 2018, 12:35 #76
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Why does Shoaib Malik get so much criticism by fans?
Whenever Pakistan does badly and Malik happens to be playing- he gets pinpointed and made the scapegoat by fans. It's happening on a regular basis ever since the 2014 wt20.
I personally like him a lot. He is different to most Pakistani cricketers. In that he prioritises his fitness and is an athletic fielder. He is also a good rotator of the strike and plays clever shots manipulating the field set. He also plays in a calculating, wise manner- knowing when to change gears. Furthermore, his a good clean striker of the ball.
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20th February 2018, 12:56 #77
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A few things, some of the main ones by his detractors is can't play pace and is one of the seniors that's hogging a place in the team. I personally think he's done quite well since his comeback. After all, the issue of playing pace is a problem for most of our batsmen.
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20th February 2018, 13:10 #78
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20th February 2018, 13:29 #79
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Well his career is about as old as me. So haven't followed it completely. But his definetly one of the few intelligent cricketers in our current setup. I agree, he wasn't as consistent before his comeback but the ability was always there. It was just that he seemed to play for his place earlier as well as team politics I guess.
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20th February 2018, 13:38 #80
His approach is right, understands the modern game and not a selfish batsman like the rest but he's a very limited batsman who is a proven failure against fast bowlers.