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    Babar Azam's disappointing current ODI form a cause of alarm?

    One of the main culprit in 3rd ODI's humiliation was the partnership between Babar Azam and Shoaib Malik. I have never seen such a prolonged selfish bad partnership before with no regards to the match. Malik is almost at the end of his career but Babar Azam is young in his career and yet he has already shown selfish tendencies a lot. And then he tried the suicidal 2nd run as he did not want to face the challenge of rebuilding the inning and instead would rather be out and back in comfort of dressing room. How can better work ethics be instilled in him? Who can lit a fire in him to act like a man?

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    Get rid of the TTFs and put the entire responsibility of the team on him.

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    Play two aggressive openers and a more reliable number 4 and babar Azam will improve

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Get rid of the TTFs and put the entire responsibility of the team on him.
    Only your first part of getting rid of TTFs is correct. Babar is not good in taking responsibilities. I have a feeling that he play better usually when somebody else from the openers has already acted like a man and score runs already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srh View Post
    One of the main culprit in 3rd ODI's humiliation was the partnership between Babar Azam and Shoaib Malik. I have never seen such a prolonged selfish bad partnership before with no regards to the match. Malik is almost at the end of his career but Babar Azam is young in his career and yet he has already shown selfish tendencies a lot. And then he tried the suicidal 2nd run as he did not want to face the challenge of rebuilding the inning and instead would rather be out and back in comfort of dressing room. How can better work ethics be instilled in him? Who can lit a fire in him to act like a man?
    I would give him margin. Unlike Hafeez, Malik & Akmal brothers. He atleast scored good runs against competitive sides. So as century against Australia in Australia, the only 2nd pakistani batsmen to do so after the Great Sir Zaheer Abbas. He is not just like Hafeez Malik and Akmals who scores runs against Srilanka n Zimbabwe.

    Babar was unlucky in 2 out of 3 matches. Give him margin, if a youngster has failed then its upto the so-called seniors to rebuild the innings. Blame Hafeez & Malik most.

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    See, he might not be everyone's favourite these days but its a hard and cold fact that he was unlucky in 2 games

    The 1st match he was given lbw wrongly.

    The 3rd match his bat got stucm while running and he was runout because of that.

    He deserves criticism but lets also mention the facts to make it more objective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by srh View Post
    Only your first part of getting rid of TTFs is correct. Babar is not good in taking responsibilities. I have a feeling that he play better usually when somebody else from the openers has already acted like a man and score runs already.
    Putting responsibility on him will develop his game to the next level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    See, he might not be everyone's favourite these days but its a hard and cold fact that he was unlucky in 2 games

    The 1st match he was given lbw wrongly.

    The 3rd match his bat got stucm while running and he was runout because of that.

    He deserves criticism but lets also mention the facts to make it more objective.
    So he was playing well before getting out?

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    BA was very unlucky with the runout, comical.
    He was middling the ball good but kept on finding the fielders.

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    Someone was calling him the fulcrum of the team, the guy is absolutely a joke. His selfish 100s were fine but the mocking and abusing of New Zealand, Australian and Indian media on the team of Pakistan because of him is pathetic. This was suppose to be funny has turned out insulting. Hope he is replaced and if he is not I'd not watch the match

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    Babar should be benched for a few games. He's clearly out of form and not handling the pressure very well. Give him some time to refocus and re-evaluate his game. This will also send a strong signal that no one is immune from being dropped if not performing.

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    Don't let emotions cloud your thought, why blame babar? First off he wasn't being selfish, probably was told by Malik to go tuk tuk to see off the new ball then he took the second run most likely due to scoreboard pressure. Everyone's asking for him to be dropped as if we have Bradmans and Tendulkars waiting in line for selection, he's arguably the only batsman in our team that can consistently score runs albeit at around a strike rate of 100 but still is good enough by our standards.

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    This series shows what our batting is without Babar’s “selfish” 50s and 100s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaankeJi View Post
    So he was playing well before getting out?
    Ofcourse not. He was struggling mostly. And it happens with many players at the start of the innings. Unfortunately his luck didnt help him to get through that phase.

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    If we play SL/WI tomorrow you bet his "form" will be as it was before. Its just that playing against teams like NZ is too much for his caliber

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    You can give him a margin right now. Malik and Hafeez have played well over 200 games.
    You can give younger players few series before dropping them , not tested failures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    If we play SL/WI tomorrow you bet his "form" will be as it was before. Its just that playing against teams like NZ is too much for his caliber
    Why are you bashing him so hard. He’s scored runs against every team he’s played against

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    If we play SL/WI tomorrow you bet his "form" will be as it was before. Its just that playing against teams like NZ is too much for his caliber
    Wrong, he's scored runs against a similar NZ attack and scored a century against Australia with the likes of Starc Cummins and Hazlewood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    See, he might not be everyone's favourite these days but its a hard and cold fact that he was unlucky in 2 games

    The 1st match he was given lbw wrongly.

    The 3rd match his bat got stucm while running and he was runout because of that.

    He deserves criticism but lets also mention the facts to make it more objective.
    That is true and people should take that into consideration when evaluating him instead of dismissing these factors.

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    Pakistani fans deserve Imran Farhat and Faisal Iqbal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Why are you bashing him so hard. He’s scored runs against every team he’s played against
    Babar Azam average playing in other countries minus UAE and minnows West Indies and Zimbabwe
    in England 31.87
    in Ireland 29.00
    in New Zealand 32.60
    in Sri Lanka 18.50
    in Australia 56.40

    His record in Australia is good cos Pakistan never toured there again after that or else his average would've slipped there also like NZ. He was poor in Champions Trophy also. This Babar Azam bubble is same like Umar Akmal its burst on our faces in the shape of shameful defeats and selfish game.

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    He has issues, but can’t fault him yet. There are other passengers in the team

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamstead_joy View Post
    Babar Azam average playing in other countries minus UAE and minnows West Indies and Zimbabwe
    in England 31.87
    in Ireland 29.00
    in New Zealand 32.60
    in Sri Lanka 18.50
    in Australia 56.40

    His record in Australia is good cos Pakistan never toured there again after that or else his average would've slipped there also like NZ. He was poor in Champions Trophy also. This Babar Azam bubble is same like Umar Akmal its burst on our faces in the shape of shameful defeats and selfish game.
    Let us wait and see. None of the Fab Four set the world alight in their first ICC tournament either.

    Hes 23 and his best years as a batsman are yet to come.

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    @MMHS what are your observations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Let us wait and see. None of the Fab Four set the world alight in their first ICC tournament either.

    Hes 23 and his best years as a batsman are yet to come.
    The fab four have a better strike rate than him, when Azam scores Pakistan has faile dto make more than 280 on 300+ pitch.
    Same 'best day ahead' things were said about his cousin Umar Akmal when he made debut at the age of 19 he is 27 now and his best days as far as Pakistan is concerned came and went on his debut match in Sri Lanka and he played on best days ahead excuse for 6 years without scoring anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamstead_joy View Post
    The fab four have a better strike rate than him, when Azam scores Pakistan has faile dto make more than 280 on 300+ pitch.
    Same 'best day ahead' things were said about his cousin Umar Akmal when he made debut at the age of 19 he is 27 now and his best days as far as Pakistan is concerned came and went on his debut match in Sri Lanka and he played on best days ahead excuse for 6 years without scoring anything.
    Umar had the talent but no brains. Babar has shown that he has a cool head and not rash and impatient like Umar. Also the team culture was much worse then which meant that Umar couldn’t develop his batting to the next level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pkckt View Post
    Don't let emotions cloud your thought, why blame babar? First off he wasn't being selfish, probably was told by Malik to go tuk tuk to see off the new ball then he took the second run most likely due to scoreboard pressure. Everyone's asking for him to be dropped as if we have Bradmans and Tendulkars waiting in line for selection, he's arguably the only batsman in our team that can consistently score runs albeit at around a strike rate of 100 but still is good enough by our standards.
    You never know until we give players a chance. Prior to selection, Sharjeel and Fakhar were written off by many but turned out be our best openers of recent years.

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    Don't understand the hate coming towards Babar Azam.

    He's only been in the side for a year, he had a great start and was bound to hit a rough patch. The team failing around him and people are expecting a youngster like him to score centuries. He was out because of a bad decision in the first game, he was run out this game due to his bat getting stuck into the ground of all things.

    So much impatience, he has his flaws, but the way some people are coming at him, asking him to be dropped as he's failed in 3 consecutive ODIs which for him is a first. Someone even stating he ducked out of the game and got himself on run out on purpose because he couldn't handle the pressure is absolutely laughable. He is young and bound to make mistakes here and there, went for a risky 2, on another day he would have gotten away with it. The way fans are targeting him the past half year you would think he is Mohammed Hafeez.

    Get a grip.

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    The problem is that people expected him to be the next Virat Kohli. While he still was searching for his spot in all the forms of the game. Even Mickey Arthur claimed some absurd things.

    The fact is that he can not be compared to the big three or four, but STILL is the best guy for Pakistani standards. He will score hundreds in Asia and on better batting wickets outside Asia.


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    I did not know that trying to convert a single into a double in an ODI is a selfish act.

    Moreover, not sure how can taking an extra run is equivalent to running away from building the innings.

    Some of the posters here derserve batsmen like Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal.

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    People are over reacting. He's a young batsmen. He isn't going to score in every single series. The senior players such as Azhar and Hafeez have been a disgrace in this series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    If we play SL/WI tomorrow you bet his "form" will be as it was before. Its just that playing against teams like NZ is too much for his caliber
    He did well in the last tour to nzl which was his first tour.... he was given out for a duck 1st ball in the 1st game and then today bat getting stuck while running... not excuses but for a young guy who is holding the entire team batting with no support from other end... what abt the seniors and azhar ali who is in the team to see off the new ball as an opener other than that he is not an ODI batsman...even against SL/WI if given out wrongly lbw and bat got stuck in the pitch while running will score the same runs...he has scored a 100 against australia in australia, scored few fifties in his first tour to nzl last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    Play two aggressive openers and a more reliable number 4 and babar Azam will improve
    Thats just brilliant, deflecting criticism to everyone besides Babar himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    People are over reacting. He's a young batsmen. He isn't going to score in every single series. The senior players such as Azhar and Hafeez have been a disgrace in this series.
    2 years into his International career. 1 years consistently in the test side, has played in all foreign countries test and ODIs, don't think the youngster card can be played anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    People are over reacting. He's a young batsmen. He isn't going to score in every single series. The senior players such as Azhar and Hafeez have been a disgrace in this series.
    Every single series that isn't WI or SL

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    Quote Originally Posted by RagingJ View Post
    Don't understand the hate coming towards Babar Azam.

    He's only been in the side for a year, he had a great start and was bound to hit a rough patch. The team failing around him and people are expecting a youngster like him to score centuries. He was out because of a bad decision in the first game, he was run out this game due to his bat getting stuck into the ground of all things.

    So much impatience, he has his flaws, but the way some people are coming at him, asking him to be dropped as he's failed in 3 consecutive ODIs which for him is a first. Someone even stating he ducked out of the game and got himself on run out on purpose because he couldn't handle the pressure is absolutely laughable. He is young and bound to make mistakes here and there, went for a risky 2, on another day he would have gotten away with it. The way fans are targeting him the past half year you would think he is Mohammed Hafeez.

    Get a grip.
    2 years and 4 months to be exact

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    2 years into his International career. 1 years consistently in the test side, has played in all foreign countries test and ODIs, don't think the youngster card can be played anymore
    He's still 23. You can write him off. We should support him. The experienced players are the ones who deserve the stick. They don't learn from there mistakes.

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    Although this innings of his and the way he got out both are inexcusable, he deserves more chances.
    Bat getting stuck is no bad luck. It is being unaware of surroundings.

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    Well he was never going to score on a pitch where the ball does not stay low.

    His 100 against Australia came in a dead rubber chasing a massive score of 369 and also those pitches were flat pancakes while his 80 came off 100 + balls, a total which Australia chased in 45 overs.

    Nothing wrong with his talent, just a selfish batsman that will struggle in bowler friendly conditions.

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    Babar was middling the ball pretty well but was unfortunately run out. He along with Fakhar looked untroubled by the NZ bowling. But both of them got out weirdly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    2 years and 4 months to be exact
    Point still stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    Thats just brilliant, deflecting criticism to everyone besides Babar himself
    No. What I am saying is that we don’t have any single player messiah. And batting attitude is something rubs off on players provided they have the capability. Doing what I suggested might make that happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShahidDar08 View Post
    Babar was middling the ball pretty well but was unfortunately run out. He along with Fakhar looked untroubled by the NZ bowling. But both of them got out weirdly.
    Middling the ball and finding the gap are two very different things

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    Not a problem at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    @MMHS what are your observations?
    Nothing alarming to me - he is part of a collective failure. First match got out to a shocker of a decision, 3rd match got run out (more than his scores, I am upset with the way he got run out; needs verbal dholai). 2nd match got out early in the innings before settling, which can happen - I don't mind batsmen to get out for 10-12, rather than 35-38.

    In his little stay, he looked comfortable in 2nd match - if you look at Azhar, Malik or Sarfraz batting, you'll realize what is "shaky" means; not a single ball I found them in control.

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    I genuinely believe he is getting too much criticism. I mean, Virat Kohli of all people has been made to look clueless in around 6 to 7 series. But, the Indian team stuck with him and he eventually improved. This is probably Babar's series that will finally mentally toughen him up and will mould him into the batsmen he can be. Also, do some of the posters actually watch the match? That pitch was very difficult to time on and even veterans like Williamson struggled in his own backyard. Add to that the pressure of chasing and wickets falling like a deck of cards being blown away. Babar has literally just failed in one inning in this series (that too to extra bounce) and has had 2 unlucky dismissals. We need to give him a break.

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    Babar has all the time in world to sort out his mental & technical issues, I believe he'll bounce back as a much better player with more hunger for runs. He was nurtered and groomed to become the backbone of our batting line up, he will fulfill his responsibilities inshaAllah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GudduBadmash View Post
    Well he was never going to score on a pitch where the ball does not stay low.

    His 100 against Australia came in a dead rubber chasing a massive score of 369 and also those pitches were flat pancakes while his 80 came off 100 + balls, a total which Australia chased in 45 overs.

    Nothing wrong with his talent, just a selfish batsman that will struggle in bowler friendly conditions.
    Oh yes, how very convenient. It must've been quite easy to score that hundred on a fast pitch against the Aussie Ace trio while chasing a mammoth score..... Ludicrous. What about that 90 odd against NZ in severe swinging conditions last year in the dooming test series? And again, what do you mean by selfish? According to your criteria, Williamson and Amla must surely also be selfish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Nothing alarming to me - he is part of a collective failure. First match got out to a shocker of a decision, 3rd match got run out (more than his scores, I am upset with the way he got run out; needs verbal dholai). 2nd match got out early in the innings before settling, which can happen - I don't mind batsmen to get out for 10-12, rather than 35-38.

    In his little stay, he looked comfortable in 2nd match - if you look at Azhar, Malik or Sarfraz batting, you'll realize what is "shaky" means; not a single ball I found them in control.
    /no he does not have the technique to negotiate new ball so he should either come at 5 or be dropped,he should have the patience to score 5 runs in first 40 balls he faces so that tema get a solid foundation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    /no he does not have the technique to negotiate new ball so he should either come at 5 or be dropped,he should have the patience to score 5 runs in first 40 balls he faces so that tema get a solid foundation.
    Babar is the least of problems, focus where it's robbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Babar is the least of problems, focus where it's robbed.
    yes i mean that.

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    Everyone goes through a lean patch of form, that doesn't mean you can criticize one of the only two batsmen we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsalan Pro View Post
    Everyone goes through a lean patch of form, that doesn't mean you can criticize one of the only two batsmen we have.
    Nothing wrong with constructive feedback if you're not doing something right. Even if our players are good, we want them to be better.

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    I am sure he will come good soon, has been unlucky in 2 of the 3 innings he has played and people have started to bash him. Also people who are saying he can't perform in New Zealand against quality bowling, go check the last time Pakistan toured NZ for ODIs.

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    He may have what it takes to score against top teams but he looks meek and hunger for runs is not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    He did well in the last tour to nzl which was his first tour.... he was given out for a duck 1st ball in the 1st game and then today bat getting stuck while running... not excuses but for a young guy who is holding the entire team batting with no support from other end... what abt the seniors and azhar ali who is in the team to see off the new ball as an opener other than that he is not an ODI batsman...even against SL/WI if given out wrongly lbw and bat got stuck in the pitch while running will score the same runs...he has scored a 100 against australia in australia, scored few fifties in his first tour to nzl last year.
    Even Umar Akmal has a test hundred against NZ in NZ on his debut tour.... The fact is when you are playing against a team for the first few times they have zero frame of reference of how to attack you and which are your major scoring areas that need to be blocked. After the first tour or so teams do homework before facing you and hence they work you out. The onus is on the batsman to counter it. It seems Babar Azam has been worked out and all that is left is his "fans" trying to justify his bad performance with excuses such as "he has too much pressure on him since he is carrying the batting line up".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsalan Pro View Post
    I am sure he will come good soon, has been unlucky in 2 of the 3 innings he has played and people have started to bash him. Also people who are saying he can't perform in New Zealand against quality bowling, go check the last time Pakistan toured NZ for ODIs.
    Well in the one innings where he didn't get "unlucky" he was batting like a tailender... scored 10 runs off 3 scoring shots in idk 20 odd balls and 2 off his "scoring shots" were edges to the boundary through the gaps in the slip cordon. Even yesterday before getting "unlucky" it wasn't like Babar was setting the world on fire and smashing it to all parts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Even Umar Akmal has a test hundred against NZ in NZ on his debut tour.... The fact is when you are playing against a team for the first few times they have zero frame of reference of how to attack you and which are your major scoring areas that need to be blocked. After the first tour or so teams do homework before facing you and hence they work you out. The onus is on the batsman to counter it. It seems Babar Azam has been worked out and all that is left is his "fans" trying to justify his bad performance with excuses such as "he has too much pressure on him since he is carrying the batting line up".
    Interesting... What exactly about Babar's technique has been worked out? Because I have seen quite many of his innings, if not all, and haven't exactly discerned a pattern to his mode of dismissals. The guy was pretty solid today, apart from that unlucky run out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmarKhan99 View Post
    Interesting... What exactly about Babar's technique has been worked out? Because I have seen quite many of his innings, if not all, and haven't exactly discerned a pattern to his mode of dismissals. The guy was pretty solid today, apart from that unlucky run out.
    By solid you mean dead batting everything and not even looking to score?


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    He is batting like a guy out of form and under pressure, when that happens you curtail your stroke play which is what he has done to an extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Well in the one innings where he didn't get "unlucky" he was batting like a tailender... scored 10 runs off 3 scoring shots in idk 20 odd balls and 2 off his "scoring shots" were edges to the boundary through the gaps in the slip cordon. Even yesterday before getting "unlucky" it wasn't like Babar was setting the world on fire and smashing it to all parts.
    This is just ridiculous. You can't be serious, can you? Which player who plays an anhcor role would fire it to all parts after being 2/3 in 3rd over of a gettable run chase. The most technically correct batsmen of the fab 4, Williamson, played today and his innings should second that. The plan was clearly to dub out the new ball. He did that quite effectively, until the run out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    By solid you mean dead batting everything and not even looking to score?
    Well, if you have fielders all around the bat inside the circle, it gets hard to look for runs. As evident with the run out, it's not like he didn't want to score. Give him a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmarKhan99 View Post
    Interesting... What exactly about Babar's technique has been worked out? Because I have seen quite many of his innings, if not all, and haven't exactly discerned a pattern to his mode of dismissals. The guy was pretty solid today, apart from that unlucky run out.
    Unlucky? more like suicidal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Unlucky? more like suicidal.
    The suicidal run which he would have completed if he didn't stick his bat in the wrong spot on the ground?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    The suicidal run which he would have completed if he didn't stick his bat in the wrong spot on the ground?
    Well, that's even worse then isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Well, that's even worse then isn't it?
    Yes. But not a suicidal run - it was on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Yes. But not a suicidal run - it was on.
    Okay, point is it wasn't unlucky then was it? An international class batsman should know where to ground his bat. This indicates he's clearly not with it at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Okay, point is it wasn't unlucky then was it? An international class batsman should know where to ground his bat. This indicates he's clearly not with it at the moment.
    I don't buy into the lucky and unlucky argument. However, both these dismissals have hardly been regular ones.

    Either way, he has been struggling to score as well.

    The whole batting order is a mess, really.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    I don't buy into the lucky and unlucky argument. However, both these dismissals have hardly been regular ones.

    Either way, he has been struggling to score as well.

    The whole batting order is a mess, really.
    Yep, and sadly Babar is getting dragged down by the mediocrity around him and weight of expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Okay, point is it wasn't unlucky then was it? An international class batsman should know where to ground his bat. This indicates he's clearly not with it at the moment.
    When you’re out of form - nothing seems to go your way, and it hasn’t for Babar.

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    Although I support Babar and strongly believe he could do better, that way he was runout was plain foolish. Was he trying to use the surface to slide the bat through to the crease? Hello, friction?
    Secondly, any decent batsman would dive rather than run through and try to reach the line. He didn't look very dedicated to scoring in the match. He was starting to time it well which gave me hope but that runout took all hopes away. I don't blame him for attempting to get that second run he at least showed effort but that ending was dumb.
    I hope he comes back strong tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by GudduBadmash View Post
    Well he was never going to score on a pitch where the ball does not stay low.

    His 100 against Australia came in a dead rubber chasing a massive score of 369 and also those pitches were flat pancakes while his 80 came off 100 + balls, a total which Australia chased in 45 overs.

    Nothing wrong with his talent, just a selfish batsman that will struggle in bowler friendly conditions.
    THIS. The only thing Babar has going for him right now is his age, and the incompetency of his fellow batsmen. Which is why we can afford to give him more time to prove himself against the better sides. But 2 years into his career, things don't look too good when you dig a little deeper. His inflated average is only because he's been bashing SL and WI in UAE. Against all the top sides, he hasn't played any innings of note in his career so far. And no, that pathetic 100 against Australia does not count. That innings reminded me of Younis Khan's century against NZ a few months before the 2015 WC where we were chasing a big target and he crawled to his 100, losing the match in the process.

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    Also to the people saying he was 'unlucky' in this match due to his bat getting stuck on the crease while running, you do realize he's a professional player who's had the finest coaching PCB can offer since a very young age? If you still don't know not to ground your bat in a rough patch the way he did, the responsibility lies solely with him. You CANNOT claim it was unlucky. Time to stop making excuses for his failures against the top 5 sides and to wake up.

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    It's sad that some are blaming a 23 year old for the defeat when there are far more experienced players in the team. Babar Azam isn't a finished product and still has time to develop himself into a better batsman. Him failing in these 3 games can't be used to write him off.

    Having said that, I can't blame some of the unhappy fans here. I'd blame the team management and some of his silly fans. He has been managed very poorly. Instead of helping him develop into a great batsman, you started calling him your backbone and gifted him that no.3 spot forever. That's a big nono. You should constantly raise the bar and help him reach his potential max instead of calling him 'Kohli' or whatever and gifting him that no.3 spot permanently. There are aspects of his batting that needs improvement. I'm not buying the anchor role excuse for his low strike rate. And him being your best batsman doesn't mean there's no scope for improvement. Batting is an art of practiced instincts or as they say fine tuned reflexes. A champion batsman will score runs irrespective of the role. The amount of risks they take may vary according to the match situation. But they will keep the scoreboard ticking and would find riskfree ways to get the boundary. Being circumspect and being defensive are two different things. I'm yet to see him bat aggressively and put pressure back on the bowlers.

    He can still be developed into a great batsman. He needs to be put under pressure to perform better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Babar is the least of problems, focus where it's robbed.

    Whilst national treasure gets a free pass .

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    It has been his first bad tour so far so I will give him some leeway.

    What is more frustrating is his inability to find gaps despite playing some very good shots.

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    He isn't good enough at the moment to play match winning innings against the top 5 teams away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    When you’re out of form - nothing seems to go your way, and it hasn’t for Babar.
    This guy is ranked in Top 10 and people want him dropped.

    He is clearly the best ODI bat in Pak.

    Has has some unusual dismissals in this tour.

    But everyone has bad run of form.

    Look at Jayawardene. My favorite player of all time and one of the best batsman ever. He averages 33 because he had some rough patches. But team believed in him and he delivered when it mattered most.

    Plus he is only 23. If he's this good now, imagine how good he'll be in 3-4 years.

    Kid could be Pak's best ever but people want him dropped.

    Who will you replace him with?

    Kamran Akmal

    Asad Shafiq



    #smh

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    I think Pakistan fans are expecting too much from their team.

    New Zealand are man for man a far better side, you guys didn't really expect Pakistan to win here did you?

    I mean how many Pakistanis would make the current NZ full strength ODI side, maybe 1 or 2 at the most?

    And where are you great ODI players like NZ have? Players like Guptill, Williamson, Taylor, Boult? You don't have any.

    Try being more realistic.

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    Nah

    he's miles better than the rest
    though he will need perform in these last 2 games


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