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    Is Ross Taylor New Zealand's greatest ever Test batsman?

    IMO - Ross Taylor is very underrated but has been a very good batsman for a while now. He had struggled for consistency but in the last 2/3 years he has been scoring a huge amount of runs in both Tests/ODI's.

    I would actually rate him higher than Kane Willamson and Brendan McCullum and would arguably be considered one of NZ's greatest ever batsman.

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    IMO, it looks like this right now.

    Crowe
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    KW

    KW is expected to finish his career as NZ's best.

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    Martin Crowe was better and Williamson will be over Taylor by the time they retire.

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    What? Of course not.

    Martin Crowe is.

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    Lol no. That is Martin Crowe. Wasim Akram said he was the toughest batsman he ever bowled to.

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    Is Ross Taylor the best New Zealand Test batsman of all time?

    He has scored runs in Asia as well. Scored a 200 against Australia in Australia. He averages 44 outside New Zealand (39.36 excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe).

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    Oh !!! Before we even dig into history, did you forget Kane Williamson. Or are we looking at longevity records here.

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    Good player, but Crowe and Williamson are much superior batsmen.

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    No. Third behind Crowe and Williamson.

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    No.

    It's Martin Crowe and Kane will surpass him too.


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    Martin Crowe was the 2nd best batsman behind Viv in the 80's. He was a brilliant player whose record doesn't reflect how brilliant he was.

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    Only Crowe was better. Williamson is better in tests but Taylor is better in ODIs.

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    He was potentially the best of the AB, Amla generation

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    Crowe is a great test batsmen.

    Williamson is a potential ATG test batsmen.

    Taylor is just a very good test batsmen who at times got overshadowed even by Bmac in test format.

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    Williamson will surpass him easily

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    No crowe is


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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    IMO - Ross Taylor is very underrated but has been a very good batsman for a while now. He had struggled for consistency but in the last 2/3 years he has been scoring a huge amount of runs in both Tests/ODI's.

    I would actually rate him higher than Kane Willamson and Brendan McCullum and would arguably be considered one of NZ's greatest ever batsman.
    Your probably haven't heard of him, but Martin Crowe - NZ's highest run scorer in Tests is the best.


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    In terms of quality, KW is already NZ's finest; just needs to maintain his performance for another 30-40 Tests and he'll be his country's best batsman ever.

    Even if he doesn't maintain his form for the next 2-3 years, eventually over the course of his career he will become the best.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    Your probably haven't heard of him, but Martin Crowe - NZ's highest run scorer in Tests is the best.
    Heard of Martin Crowe - knew he was a good batsman and scored NZ highest individual score at 299 before McCullum's 302.

    Never saw him play but don't think he was an ATG.

    Ross Taylor has pretty good stats in both Tests and ODI's so could make a case for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haroon786 View Post
    Your probably haven't heard of him, but Martin Crowe - NZ's highest run scorer in Tests is the best.
    Stephen Fleming is NZs highest run scorer in tests.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Cat View Post
    Stephen Fleming is NZs highest run scorer in tests.
    Stand corrected then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    Heard of Martin Crowe - knew he was a good batsman and scored NZ highest individual score at 299 before McCullum's 302.

    Never saw him play but don't think he was an ATG.

    Ross Taylor has pretty good stats in both Tests and ODI's so could make a case for him.
    Might not be an ATG but neither is Taylor, but still is NZ's best.

    Also ODIs don't come into the discussion when it's only Tests we're talking about.


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    Player Span Mat Runs Ave 100 50
    KS Williamson 2010-2016 50 4245 50.53 14 20
    LRPL Taylor 2007-2016 71 5533 48.11 15 24
    JF Reid 1979-1986 19 1296 46.28 6 2
    MD Crowe 1982-1995 77 5444 45.36 17 18
    MH Richardson 2000-2004 38 2776 44.77 4 19
    GM Turner 1969-1983 41 2991 44.64 7 14
    AH Jones 1987-1995 39 2922 44.27 7 11
    TWM Latham 2014-2016 20 1546 41.78 5 7
    JD Ryder 2008-2011 18 1269 40.93 3 6
    B Sutcliffe 1947-1965 42 2727 40.1 5 15
    SP Fleming 1994-2008 111 7172 40.06 9 46
    BJ Watling 2009-2016 40 2282 40.03 6 12
    BB McCullum 2004-2016 101 6453 38.64 12 31
    CD McMillan 1997-2005 55 3116 38.46 6 19
    JG Wright 1978-1993 82 5334 37.82 12 23
    JV Coney 1974-1987 52 2668 37.57 3 16
    NJ Astle 1996-2006 81 4702 37.02 11 24
    JDP Oram 2002-2009 33 1780 36.32 5 6
    SB Styris 2002-2007 29 1586 36.04 5 6

    Another underrated NZ batsman was Glenn Turner.


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    Very poor thread to be fair...

    He had a nightmare of the series this time here in India in both tests and Odis and then cost a match by dropping a catch too.

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    Martin Crowe was the best,though Williamson has the talent to surpass him.

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    Martin Crowe was best considering the bowlers her faced.

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    never saw Martin Crowe bat, but his average in an era where many top batsmen averaged 40, is excellent.

    But I think Kane Williamson is definitely already a better batsman than Ross Taylor ever was.

    Although that judgement is not based on stats, the stats also reflect the gulf as Williamson has 14 hundreds, compared to Taylor's 15, in about 25 fewer matches.

    In two years, Williamson will have the most hundreds of any NZ batsman, and he will have done it in record time for a New Zealander.

    Kane Williamson will be NZ's greatest ever test batsman.

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    Bump!

    Ross Taylor showing again why he is one of the world's best - borderline ATG and definitely a NZ great already in ODI's and Tests.

    Just lacks consistency to be truly elite.

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    One of the most underrated batsmen of all time

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    A very dangerous bat when gets going in ANY format of cricket. He may give chances early in the inning but once settled, hard to control the scoreboard. He can graft runs and hit big shots. There are not many better middle order batsmen than him around.


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    I remember watching 19-year-old Crowe get 30 against Willis and Botham. Not that many runs, but you could tell he was going to be world class.

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    Very good batsmen in all formats but behind Crowe and Williamson.

    He doesn't give a feeling of world class player when he bats though.

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    Ross Taylor equals Martin Crowe and Kane Williamson's record for most hundreds for NZ

    17th hundred for NZ, now the race is on between Taylor and Kane to break the record.

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    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Brilliant player. He is finally showing some consistency with the bat which augurs well for New Zealand. What happened to BJ Watling? Is he just injured or dropped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by giri26 View Post
    Brilliant player. He is finally showing some consistency with the bat which augurs well for New Zealand. What happened to BJ Watling? Is he just injured or dropped?
    Injured I believe.


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    Ross Taylor equals Martin Crowe, Kane Williamson's record of most centuries

    Ross Taylor equalled the record for the most hundreds by a New Zealand batsman on Monday, joining his mentor, the late Martin Crowe, and current captain Kane Williamson on 17. He was on 96 when he drove Raymon Reifer to the boundary to reach the milestone in New Zealand’s second innings of the second Test against the West Indies at Seddon Park in Hamilton. It took the 33-year-old Taylor 83 Tests to get to his 17th century compared to 77 for Crowe and 61 for Williamson.

    Taylor had said before the start of the West Indies Test that it was a deliberate aim to equal the record on his home ground.”I know if I go through the right preparation, give myself the best chance and continually do that, that I will be able to get to 17, 18 or whatever,” he said on the eve of the Test.”Seventeen is the benchmark that Hogan (Crowe) wanted me to get to and beat. But he said, also, carry on and don’t stop there.”

    After being called up for Test duty in late 2007, Taylor scored his first century in his third Test, also at Seddon Park, with 120 against England. With just over two days to play against the West Indies, New Zealand were 263 for eight in their second innings, leading by 413 runs.

    Taylor was on 100 with Tim Southee.

    source link:http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/n...nturies-668381

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    He will not surpass Crowe as NZ's greatest batsman because of all the great performances Crowe had against the Windies/Wasim-Waqar and other great attacks in 80s. But Ross is still extremely underrated. Gun batsman, and the interview was very emotional.

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    One of those cases where stats do not do justice to batsman's quality.

    Always like him! Classy player.

    Of course, will never forget hot Kamran Gilchrist dropped him in World Cup

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    Taylor has played more impact innings than KW. But I would still put kane over him because of his consistency and technique.
    Martin crowe of course is still no.1

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    Minnow basher. He is clearly inferior to Crowe and Williamson but still a very good test batsmen.

    I put him at same level to Azhar Ali but superior to someone like Ian Bell.

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    Martin crowe was probably the best batsmen of his era against quick bowling and reverse swing and he is the best Kiwi batsmen of all time. Taylor is scrapping with williamson and steve fleming for 2nd spot.

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    Martin Crowe for me. Ask Wasim & Waqar about him.

    Crowe was stylish, mentally tough and a great player in an era when fast bowling was much better than it is now.



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    Williamson and Crowe are better batsmen for me. Taylor is definitely a NZ great .

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    No. His mentor Crowe is simply nonpareil. I rate Williamson above Taylor as well. For me the order of NZ batsmen that I have seen is as follows:

    1. Crowe
    2. Williamson
    3. Taylor
    4. Fleming
    5. McCullum
    6. Ryder
    7. Astle
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    No that would be Martin Crowe. Brilliant player. Ross Taylor for sure is one of the best players produced by NZ.

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    One of my favourite batsmen. Also comes across as a very laid back and down to earth guy.

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    For couple of seasons he was a Rock star in Bangalore.

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    Definitely one of the very best, but not probably among top 3 (Mrowe, Williamson & Turner should come ahead) in Test. I haven't seen Donnelly & Dempster

    Should easily Kiwi all-time Test XI

    1. GM Turner
    2. Martin Donelly
    3. Williamson
    4. *M Crowe
    5. Talyor
    6. B Mac+
    7. C Cairns
    8. RJ Hadlee
    9. Vettori
    10. Bruce Taylor
    11. S Bond
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    12. JR Reid

    If MP Donelley doesn't make it for lack of numbers, Fleming opens.
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    Good player but never enjoyed him bat

    Anyway Williamson will surpass him and crowe that's inevitable

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    Ross Taylor is poised to join an exclusive club of New Zealand cricketers tomorrow when he plays his 200th One Day International for the BLACKCAPS.

    The 33-year-old right-hander, who made his ODI debut against the West Indies in Napier in 2006, will join Daniel Vettori (295), Stephen Fleming (280), Brendon McCullum (260), Chris Harris (250), Nathan Astle (223) and Chris Cairns (214) on the list of BLACKCAPS with 200 caps to their name.

    BLACKCAPS coach Mike Hesson said Taylor deserved plaudits for not only his length of service, but also the consistency of his output over the past 12 years.

    “His record has been phenomenal, year-in, year-out,” said Hesson. “And, if anything, he’s playing better now than ever – so we’re delighted to have his experience and skills within the squad.

    “It’s testament to Ross’ appetite and passion for cricket that he’s still working hard to continue to develop his game now."

    Ahead of his 200th ODI appearance, against the West Indies at Seddon Park, in Hamilton tomorrow, Taylor had scored 6903 runs in 199 appearances at an average of 45.11, including 17 centuries, 28 half-centuries, and a top-score of 131 not out – against Pakistan in the ICC 2011 Cricket World Cup.

    BLACKCAPS captain Kane Williamson made special mention of Taylor’s influence on the team’s fortunes over his career so far.

    “Ross has had an enormous bearing on our success over a number of years and, if anything, seems only to be getting better,” said Williamson.

    “His performance over the 2017 calendar year was exceptional (averaging 60.50 at a strike-rate of 81.89) and he’s begun the 2018 period in a similar vein."

    Taylor, a finalist for the Halberg Sportsman of the Year award, scored the first of his New Zealand record 17 ODI centuries in this third game (against Sari Lanka) and enjoyed a purple patch in 2014 when he scored three consecutive centuries – the first two against India and the third against Pakistan.

    He averages 50.19 in ODIs in which he bats first (38.59 batting second), 49.06 at No.4 (30.16 at No.3, and 27.16 at No.5), and 41.11 in Chappell-Hadlee fixtures.

    NZC chief executive David White said Taylor’s ODI milestone highlighted his status as one of New Zealand’s best batsmen, ever.

    “In the pantheon of New Zealand batsmen, Ross stands shoulder-to-shoulder with the finest players we’ve ever seen,” he said.

    “I just want to congratulate him for his fantastic career so far, both on behalf of everyone at NZC and the wider New Zealand cricket family.”


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    Ross Taylor is seriously underrated

    The guy was playing his 200th ODI and his stats are amazing . Almost 7000 runs at an average of 45 with a strike rate of 82 with 17 hundreds . Surely ranks among the best in the business . Plus when he gets in the groove he can single handedly win u a game . Still remember his innings against Pakistan in the world cup !
    Inspite of all this he hardly seems to get any credit . I feel he is seriously underrated . How many of us feel the same ??

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    He is rated highly by everyone. Dont think anyone will say he isnt one of kiwi greats.

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    Definitely a great among the kiwis. A bit low profile because he doesn't participate in the IPL anymore or any league apart from CPL

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    He is a very good player. But that's it. He has a tendency to waste a lot of balls when he is not in form and that hurts us. In form, he is phenomenal and unfurls cover drives as opposed to his midwicket slogs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rizrox View Post
    The guy was playing his 200th ODI and his stats are amazing . Almost 7000 runs at an average of 45 with a strike rate of 82 with 17 hundreds . Surely ranks among the best in the business . Plus when he gets in the groove he can single handedly win u a game . Still remember his innings against Pakistan in the world cup !
    Inspite of all this he hardly seems to get any credit . I feel he is seriously underrated . How many of us feel the same ??
    Very very good player but this is where it ends. Williamson will always be rated higher all formats combined.

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    Most overrated kiwi batsman along with kane and guptill. Latham is man to go for.

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    Ross Taylor - Under-rated ODI batsman

    Since 2011, he averages close to 60 against the top 5 ! Against the same teams he averages 50+ in WC's.

    Played a great knock under pressure today.

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    He has improved a lot in last 4-5 years( dont know exact number). Was merely a decent odi batsmen back.

    Is he NZ greatest odi batsmen ever?

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    NZ greatest will be Kane Williamson but Taylor is a strong contender for second best NZ bat

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    Very underrated & capable of playing match winning knocks under pressure similar to eoin Morgan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDoritos View Post
    NZ greatest will be Kane Williamson but Taylor is a strong contender for second best NZ bat
    Taylor >>> Williamson in ODIs. Taylor has plenty of great knock, many under pressure situation. Williamson is just for stats padding with no impact

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    Taylor >>> Williamson in ODIs. Taylor has plenty of great knock, many under pressure situation. Williamson is just for stats padding with no impact
    Does he? He was once rated king of soft runs.

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    Avgs against non-minnows( WI not counting):

    Williamson - 45
    Taylor - 40
    Guptill - 38

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    There is a common trait developing here to bring down a certain player by bringing into discussion subjective , non quantifiable facts like Pressure runs . Williamson innings against Aus in 2015 WC was pretty good. Not that me pointing out that innings matters. Runs are runs. And I am pretty sure Kane has scored imp runs.

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    Don't think he's under rated. Pretty much everyone rates him

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    Has the most odi hundreds at number 4 now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDoritos View Post
    NZ greatest will be Kane Williamson but Taylor is a strong contender for second best NZ bat
    Nope.

    Taylor and Guptill are our best.

    Taylor is probably our second best batsmen atm behind Guptill. Both are match winners, Kane is not.
    Last edited by Aman; 25th February 2018 at 21:04.


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    Taylor's last 100 ODIs



    15 100s in 96 innings


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    Don't worry bro. Your other thread allows for rain. Maybe it will save you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Taylor's last 100 ODIs



    15 100s in 96 innings
    IMO he is a borderline ATG in ODI's.

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    He's underrated. Better than Kane.

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    Been on fire ever since eye surgery


    Dazzling the stage, Ginga Bishonen. Shinpathy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aman View Post
    Taylor's last 100 ODIs



    15 100s in 96 innings
    More importantly at no.4 where you dont get as much chance.

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    He is the third best middle order batsmen of this generation after AB and Dhoni.

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    Taylor can improve his WC record tbh in 2019. He is looking in great touch.

    Barring that 131 against Akhtar's Pakistan in ICC tournaments, he doesn't have much of mention.

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    Very fine batsman, improved his off side game as well.


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    Actually at the moment, Ross is a lot better batsmen than Guptill over their career.

    Guptill has a good enough of flaws too. On his day, he is devastating like any one but too dependent on conditions and very inconsistent. He had a poor start to his career too.

    Taylor in his last 100 odis has taken a good jump and that too in latter phase of his career where player's careers slow down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    He's underrated. Better than Kane.
    Much better than Kane. Kane Williamson is complete dud in LOIs. He's only ranked highly due to tests.

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    Another superb ton chasing a high total.

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    Taylor is possibly amongst top 5 batsmen in last 10 years in ODIs

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    Special innings from him today.

    I'm glad to have been able to watch it.


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