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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    PCB should forget about the MOU issue as Pakistan cricket has already proven beyond all doubt that money isn’t everything in sport.

    It is no big secret that GOI prevent BCCI from playing bilateral series with Pakistan due to political tensions (though they do play each other in other sports mind you!). I mean every man and his pet goldfish knows that Pakistan vs. India series is the biggest money earner – BCCI with their greed - would never turn down the opportunity to earn coin. Then again GOI think depriving PCB/Pakistani players from earning money will make a difference! It has not, it will not.

    As for why India plays Pakistan in ICC tournaments, well the answer is simple. If GOI extend their influence on ICC tournaments then it simply means India must refuse to play Pakistan and as a result, India will forfeit the game and points will be awarded to Pakistan. There is no way GOI will allow Pakistan to take advantage over India like this because it makes BCCI/India look weak and pathetic at the global stage, especially if it turns out India get knocked out of a tournament due to points! India losing to Pakistan is one thing, but India losing to Pakistan without lifting bat/ball is quite another.

    Hence the Test Championship is going to be very interesting. Do India forfeit matches and award Pakistan points at the expense of GOI's stance and feeble pride? It would do wonders for the already widening W/L ratio in Pakistan's favour anyway!
    While drafting Test Championship playing conditions by ICC, BCCI made sure that Ind not required to play Pak in bilateral series. The caveat is each team can play only 6 test teams in a Championship cycle; so BCCI can choose 6 teams excluding Pak every time.

    Only Ind need to play if both teams reach finals of test Championship. Final most probably will be held in neutral venue like Lords; that match Ind will play lick WC event.

    PS: with current state of Pak test team they reaching Final is distant possibility. Not be easy unless Pak gets good replacements for MisYo. Pak team can turn things around in Tests but it will take time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytrader View Post
    It was owned by the BCCI and was more of a domestic Indian competition not a true global event.
    That's the point. If 'a domestic Indian competition owned by the BCCI' couldn't sustain in India because it had too many foreign teams, what are the chances of a WC without India succeeding in India?

    Quote Originally Posted by daytrader View Post
    By your logic there should be no World cup or ICC tournaments because of not enough Indian teams
    We are only talking about Indian audience here. A WC or ICC tournament without India may or may not be a success outside India. That doesn't matter here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshakir411 View Post
    Well according to Joshilla and others if India pulls out of the tournament ICC will come begging back. BCCI can just go down that route and not play Pakistan. The fact is that India plays Pakistan when it benefits them only..because how do you explain playing Pakistan is allowed by GoI in ICC events but not anywhere else.
    This is why I said the BCCI does what they want. They are picking and choosing with no one questioning them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianFan2018 View Post
    While drafting Test Championship playing conditions by ICC, BCCI made sure that Ind not required to play Pak in bilateral series. The caveat is each team can play only 6 test teams in a Championship cycle; so BCCI can choose 6 teams excluding Pak every time.

    Only Ind need to play if both teams reach finals of test Championship. Final most probably will be held in neutral venue like Lords; that match Ind will play lick WC event.

    PS: with current state of Pak test team they reaching Final is distant possibility. Not be easy unless Pak gets good replacements for MisYo. Pak team can turn things around in Tests but it will take time.
    I see.

    Then why doesn't the GOI/BCCI refuse to play Pakistan in ICC tournament then? Surely India doesn't have to play Pakistan to progress in a tournament?
    Last edited by R3verse Swing; 10th February 2018 at 12:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    I see.

    Then why doesn't the GOI/BCCI refuse to play Pakistan in ICC tournament then? Surely India doesn't have to play Pakistan to progress in a tournament?
    Why should be limit our chances of victory by boycotting you in a global tournament? Why should we harm our own cricket? THe auctions we take are for our benefit, not taking some other country’s benefit into account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    Why should be limit our chances of victory by boycotting you in a global tournament? Why should we harm our own cricket? THe auctions we take are for our benefit, not taking some other country’s benefit into account.
    Wow. So you will not limit your chances of victory by boycotting Pakistan in an ICC tournament [max 2 games], but will limit your chances of potentially more victories in a series.

    You couldn't make it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    Wow. So you will not limit your chances of victory by boycotting Pakistan in an ICC tournament [max 2 games], but will limit your chances of potentially more victories in a series.

    You couldn't make it up.
    GOI's clear stand is 'no bilateral series with Pak'; allowed to play in WC, CT which are ICC tournaments. What GOI or BCCI belives is correct to them they will do, won't change policy for some Tom, Dick and Harry's wish.

    Want to fight let PCB go to whichever court they want, won't get one penny from BCCI!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianFan2018 View Post
    GOI's clear stand is 'no bilateral series with Pak'; allowed to play in WC, CT which are ICC tournaments. What GOI or BCCI belives is correct to them they will do, won't change policy for some Tom, Dick and Harry's wish.

    Want to fight let PCB go to whichever court they want, won't get one penny from BCCI!
    It's no wish. You are mistaken. I prefer BCCI/GOI to stand up in what they believe in by boycotting Pakistan in ALL games of cricket, and ALL games in ALL sports between the two nations.

    The hypocrisy of GOI/BCCI is the point here.

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    GOI and BCCi not answerable to any one outside
    Last edited by IndianFan2018; 10th February 2018 at 15:12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    It's no wish. You are mistaken. I prefer BCCI/GOI to stand up in what they believe in by boycotting Pakistan in ALL games of cricket, and ALL games in ALL sports between the two nations.

    The hypocrisy of GOI/BCCI is the point here.
    All PCB president's current and ex have tried and failed to get single $ from BCCI. Better luck in future u too can give some tips to poor PCB to fight better
    Last edited by IndianFan2018; 10th February 2018 at 15:16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianFan2018 View Post
    All PCB president's current and ex have tried and failed to get single $ from BCCI. Better luck in future u too can give some tips to poor PCB to fight better
    Better luck in the next CT competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    It's no wish. You are mistaken. I prefer BCCI/GOI to stand up in what they believe in by boycotting Pakistan in ALL games of cricket, and ALL games in ALL sports between the two nations.

    The hypocrisy of GOI/BCCI is the point here.
    The Indian Govt. has already take a clear stance. No bi-lateral series, ICC tournaments are fine. It is not ALL, and I am sure that is a stance that they believe. Not sure what is confusing.

    Hypocrisy or not that is what they believe. I am sure they do not think it is hypocrisy in any form. And fortunately or unfortunately that is what counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    Better luck in the next CT competition.
    Thanks India is doing fine ... 5-Zip lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by USofA View Post
    The Indian Govt. has already take a clear stance. No bi-lateral series, ICC tournaments are fine. It is not ALL, and I am sure that is a stance that they believe. Not sure what is confusing.

    Hypocrisy or not that is what they believe. I am sure they do not think it is hypocrisy in any form. And fortunately or unfortunately that is what counts.
    I can see that it is not ALL, I am saying it should be. If GOI/BCCI do not see it as hypocrisy, then I do wonder what their logic is. How do they differentiate between ICC tournaments and a bilateral series? Is it money? There's more money to be made in a series vs 1 game in a comp.

    The only other thing I can think of is fear. The fear of losing against Pakistan. Historically Pakistan has beaten India in bilateral series on all accounts, and the last series in India (GOI/BCCI thinking they were on a high after WC11) tuned out to be a loss for India too. As far as ICC comps go, GOI/BCCI probably think their ICC comp record vs. Pakistan would protect them, but that didn’t help either last year.

    I actually believe it is to do with protecting an image.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    Better luck in the next CT competition.
    Don't get too carried away. Every team can beat every other team on their day. Even Bangladesh managed to beat the Aussies. The Indian team is playing pretty much consistently as a unit. They will be heard to beat unless we prepare, simply hoping Pakistan wins wont do

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    Quote Originally Posted by USofA View Post
    The Indian Govt. has already take a clear stance. No bi-lateral series, ICC tournaments are fine. It is not ALL, and I am sure that is a stance that they believe. Not sure what is confusing.

    Hypocrisy or not that is what they believe. I am sure they do not think it is hypocrisy in any form. And fortunately or unfortunately that is what counts.
    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    I can see that it is not ALL, I am saying it should be. If GOI/BCCI do not see it as hypocrisy, then I do wonder what their logic is. How do they differentiate between ICC tournaments and a bilateral series? Is it money? There's more money to be made in a series vs 1 game in a comp.

    The only other thing I can think of is fear. The fear of losing against Pakistan. Historically Pakistan has beaten India in bilateral series on all accounts, and the last series in India (GOI/BCCI thinking they were on a high after WC11) tuned out to be a loss for India too. As far as ICC comps go, GOI/BCCI probably think their ICC comp record vs. Pakistan would protect them, but that didn’t help either last year.

    I actually believe it is to do with protecting an image.
    You guys need to understand something simple imagine a tournament where India could win WC but due to government policy of not playing Pakistan we forfeit the match lost the World Cup trophy.. Such an event will result in backlash against the government policy.. Now government has decided not to play Pakistan in bilaterals that helps them keep a hardcore image amongst the public as being tough against Pakistan and then it removes the risk of backlash from public they might have faced if they banned playing Pakistan in WC.

    It’s smart politics designed to keep government strong in the eyes of the gullible public.. That’s how it works over here you can call it hypocrisy or smartness that’s upto you..

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    LOL.. another MOU thread.

    This is another gimmick by the PCB to mask its own shortcomings and failures. PCB is inherently corrupt. Each time there is any scrutiny of the board they start promoting the BCCI/ICC issue knowing well it is just a distracting ploy. They are burning through the scarce cash meant for Cricket, but why do they care. PSL will never be in the same league as IPL so instead PCB should try to explore avenues to not only promote cricket and new players by other means but also try to make it conducive for teams to visit Pakistan and play there.

    Yes, it is a bleak picture for Pakistan cricket

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    The Future Tours Programme (FTP) for 2019-2023 may have already been agreed upon by the ICC full members, but the document that binds the Test-playing nations to adhere to the programme will be submitted to the ICC at its quarterly meeting in Kolkata on April 25 and 26.

    “The Chief Executives meeting did not take place in Dubai; they will meet in Kolkata, consider it again and submit it to the ICC,” said an official.

    Although the ICC does not have a say in the FTP planning, it comes into the picture because the nine-team Test league and 13-team ODI league is set to start in 2019 and 2020.

    A BCCI official said the FTP was a finished product and hence the BCCI could proceed with the home bilateral series media rights tender for 2018-23 well before April.

    The BCCI’s present agreement with Star India will end in March.

    In the matter of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) seeking $70 million compensation from the BCCI for not playing bilateral series in 2014 and 2015, the process of forming the Disputes Resolution Committee (DRC) has begun.

    The BCCI has nominated Ms. Annabel Pennefather (an independent lawyer member among five in the ICC DRC) as its representative.

    The ICC Board has extended the services of Michael Beloff (DRC chairman) for a three-year period from June 2018. Sources said either Beloff would choose to be chairman of the three-member panel to deal with PCB’s complaint, or he may nominate another person from the DRC.


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    I think India should give money to Pak and get over with it, they are dangerous 😢😢😢

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    CB PRESS RELEASE

    DISPUTE PANEL CONSTITUTED FOR PCB’S CASE AGAINST BCCI

    Lahore April 11, 2018: The PCB has initiated a dispute resolution process against the BCCI under the ICC Dispute Resolution Committee Terms of Reference.

    A three-member Dispute Panel has been constituted to hear the matter. The Panel comprises:

    Michael Beloff QC, Chairperson
    Jan Paulsson
    Annabelle Bennett

    A 3-day hearing in Dubai at the ICC Headquarters will take place in respect of this matter. The hearing dates will be communicated in due course.

    The decision of the Dispute Panel and the reasons therefor will be made public.

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    Three days hearing. Three people will take three days to decide what is already known to everyone ? That there is no case and PCB will not get a penny. They lost all the legal expenses that they have spent on their incompetent lawyers.

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    Good news. End this matter for once and forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squarecut View Post
    Three days hearing. Three people will take three days to decide what is already known to everyone ? That there is no case and PCB will not get a penny. They lost all the legal expenses that they have spent on their incompetent lawyers.
    and here is the problem. India and the Indian mentality.

    MOU's and contracts are all good and fine and yes Pakistan may not be able to do anything legally. But that's not really the issue. I'm sure you can work this one out for yourself if you can manage to take off your nationalist goggles for just one moment.

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    The hearings will take place in Dubai from October 1-3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    Good news. End this matter for once and forever.
    So that we can get on with playing bi laterals?

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    Finally a Pak-India "match" on neutral ground, can;t wait .

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    So the development...nothing has happened lol

    Plus, if the PCB claims there is documentation of an agreement between the two boards, it becomes a legal issue, so why not take it into an actual court and away from the hands of the BICC?

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    Weren't the PCB claiming that they would be spending $1 million on legal expenses for the case? Was it in pounds or dollars? Anyways, that still bears true?


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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    So the development...nothing has happened lol

    Plus, if the PCB claims there is documentation of an agreement between the two boards, it becomes a legal issue, so why not take it into an actual court and away from the hands of the BICC?
    Which court has jurisdiction to impose any fine/punishment on BCCI other than Indian court?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    So that we can get on with playing bi laterals?
    NO.

    Pakistan isn't challenging the subject in any court.

    They opt for ICC for a resolution.

    If ICC gives verdict for india, Pakistan reached end of the road.

    If ICC gives verdict against India, BCCI is still isn't obligated to play and hence PCB can sue in a court.

    This again brings back point no. 1 which is Pakistan will be unable to sue.

    Either way, nothing will change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itachi View Post
    NO.

    Pakistan isn't challenging the subject in any court.

    They opt for ICC for a resolution.

    If ICC gives verdict for india, Pakistan reached end of the road.

    If ICC gives verdict against India, BCCI is still isn't obligated to play and hence PCB can sue in a court.

    This again brings back point no. 1 which is Pakistan will be unable to sue.

    Either way, nothing will change.
    Valid points.

    What I still don't understand is the enforcement of whatever the decision is. If the panel sides with the PCB, how are they going to make BCCI pay the compensation. And if they side with the BCCI, how will they prevent the PCB from pursuing this in another avenue. Because, from what I read the panel's decision is final and without appeal.

    Basically, how much power does the panel have?

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    This is hogwash to appease PCB, there is no way ICC has any right to make any country play with other country.

    Why is ICC not getting involved in Australia and England inviting Zimbabwe then.ICC has some nerve to interfere in this issue.If I were incharge of BCCI I would tell them to take a walk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USofA View Post
    Valid points.

    What I still don't understand is the enforcement of whatever the decision is. If the panel sides with the PCB, how are they going to make BCCI pay the compensation. And if they side with the BCCI, how will they prevent the PCB from pursuing this in another avenue. Because, from what I read the panel's decision is final and without appeal.

    Basically, how much power does the panel have?
    Pretty simple actually, deduct the amounts the ICC gives the BCCI annually and transfer it to the PCB. No rocket science involved. Must take the fight to the BCCI

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    So the development...nothing has happened lol

    Plus, if the PCB claims there is documentation of an agreement between the two boards, it becomes a legal issue, so why not take it into an actual court and away from the hands of the BICC?
    There are signatures on documents. There was an intention for both parties to enter into an agreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Pretty simple actually, deduct the amounts the ICC gives the BCCI annually and transfer it to the PCB. No rocket science involved. Must take the fight to the BCCI
    BCCI stops going to the ICC tournament. GOI takes stand againist the ICC for interfering in a policy matter of the govt.

    What will ICC do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Pretty simple actually, deduct the amounts the ICC gives the BCCI annually and transfer it to the PCB. No rocket science involved. Must take the fight to the BCCI
    More simple would be just tell PCB don't bother BCCI.Let them and their govt decide what is best for them.

    It is no rocket science.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadaja View Post
    More simple would be just tell PCB don't bother BCCI.Let them and their govt decide what is best for them.

    It is no rocket science.
    And pretty much more simple for bcci to not make false promises and just don.t ever mess with pcb for fake proposal
    Hope the lesson is learn by both party and work as a seprate board

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    BCCI stops going to the ICC tournament. GOI takes stand againist the ICC for interfering in a policy matter of the govt.

    What will ICC do?
    BCCI will not going to the ICC tournaments. BCCI has backed down against the ICC in the past on many occasions. India needs world cricket just as much as world cricket needs India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    BCCI will not going to the ICC tournaments. BCCI has backed down against the ICC in the past on many occasions. India needs world cricket just as much as world cricket needs India.
    Many occasions? Like?

    Icc will ban India? Which country will allow that their team boycotts India? Thats a diplomatic incident. Lol.

    Bcci is following the GOI's instruction and it will be the GOI that will retaliate here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Send1983 View Post
    Which court has jurisdiction to impose any fine/punishment on BCCI other than Indian court?
    If you don't know how international court cases can affect organisations then you really need to read up on it, I am not your law tutor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    And pretty much more simple for bcci to not make false promises and just don.t ever mess with pcb for fake proposal
    Hope the lesson is learn by both party and work as a seprate board
    BCCI is not the deciding authority by itself, it has obey govt of India's rules. Govt of India does not want anything to do with PCB and bilateral series. I don't ICC or any other party concerned has any authority on their decision.

    It is best for PCB to keep looking else and start developing its own financial stability.BCCI is doing fine without PCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    There are signatures on documents. There was an intention for both parties to enter into an agreement.
    I know all that, my point is the ICC is not going to go against the BCCI, it is stupid to think it is a neutral organisation. The PCB should have looked at legal options outside of the ICC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    If you don't know how international court cases can affect organisations then you really need to read up on it, I am not your law tutor.
    Overall you have no answer. Got it.

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    Most likely this will be brushed under the carpet, the PCB told to stay quiet and given a few incentives.



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    The ICC "committee" is PCB's best shot at getting some cash. As it is, the ICC is mad at Indian Govt for not waiving the tax on ICC tournaments held in India. On top of that, Giles Clarke made a bunch of deals offering crumbs to so many national cricket boards, in order to pull off his coup against BCCI last year. It is likely he promised "fair consideration" to Sethi on this dispute as well.

    Note that the committee's decision does not require unanimous decision, and cannot be appealed. So the only option left for BCCI to contest an unfavorable decision is to go nuclear, i.e. threaten ICC boycott which is obviously undesirable. Interesting times ahead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    If you don't know how international court cases can affect organisations then you really need to read up on it, I am not your law tutor.
    Which international court will be having jurisdiction here?

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    At the end of the day, Pakistan doesn't have to play a bilateral series with India. Pakistan doesn't need to thrash India, like in the past, to top rankings, or win tournaments. If anything, PCB is offering BCCI a chance to close the W/L gap and take the lead, and make money in the process.

    Given the history, matches vs India are just statistical boosting for Pakistan. The W/L ratios widens every time there is a series. I do not believe India would want to experience the humiliation of 2012/CT17 again!

    India needs to beat Pakistan, not the other way round. David has beaten Goliath many times. Many skeleton in the closet! We can see this by the simple fact BCCI will not pull out of ICC/ACC tournament matches vs Pakistan. However who knows? Give it a few more ICC tournaments, where Pakistan will beat India, and BCCI will pull out from playing Pakistan too.

    Remember folks, BCCI/GOI tell us they do not want to play in UAE because of corruption? This is nonsense, the real reason is Javed Miandad's 6 off Cheetan Sharma.

    http://www.dnaindia.com/sports/repor...rs-ago-1980377

    It is more than 28 years ago when the attempted yorker ended up as a full toss and is still etched in the minds of old timers. There have been many similar incidents over the years, the recent being Shahid Afridi smashing India off-spinner R Ashwin for two sixes to enter the Asia Cup final, reviving the old memories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    I know all that, my point is the ICC is not going to go against the BCCI, it is stupid to think it is a neutral organisation. The PCB should have looked at legal options outside of the ICC.
    ICC = BCCI ..oh ya !

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    Quote Originally Posted by OoparCut View Post
    The ICC "committee" is PCB's best shot at getting some cash. As it is, the ICC is mad at Indian Govt for not waiving the tax on ICC tournaments held in India. On top of that, Giles Clarke made a bunch of deals offering crumbs to so many national cricket boards, in order to pull off his coup against BCCI last year. It is likely he promised "fair consideration" to Sethi on this dispute as well.

    Note that the committee's decision does not require unanimous decision, and cannot be appealed. So the only option left for BCCI to contest an unfavorable decision is to go nuclear, i.e. threaten ICC boycott which is obviously undesirable. Interesting times ahead!
    Najam Sethi is a smart man. I am pretty sure he made a calculated decision in his stance against the BCCI and must have done plenty of lobbying and networking behind the scenes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    I know all that, my point is the ICC is not going to go against the BCCI, it is stupid to think it is a neutral organisation. The PCB should have looked at legal options outside of the ICC.
    Legal options outside the ICC will follow after going through the ICC first. Every court and dispute committee first asks you whether you went through the first step and proper channel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadaja View Post
    BCCI is not the deciding authority by itself, it has obey govt of India's rules. Govt of India does not want anything to do with PCB and bilateral series. I don't ICC or any other party concerned has any authority on their decision.

    It is best for PCB to keep looking else and start developing its own financial stability.BCCI is doing fine without PCB.
    Nope. BCCI has on many occasions in the past unilaterally decided not to play Pakistan on its own behalf when the govt of india was least bothered and when other Pakistan sporting teams were playing against India.

    The main goal of the BCCI has been to financially isolate the PCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Many occasions? Like?

    Icc will ban India? Which country will allow that their team boycotts India? Thats a diplomatic incident. Lol.

    Bcci is following the GOI's instruction and it will be the GOI that will retaliate here.
    Lol GOI will send its troops to attack ICC headquarters in Dubai?

    The moment ICC bans all other member nations to affiliate with BCCI, oh boy you will see the floor under BCCI dissapear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Nope. BCCI has on many occasions in the past unilaterally decided not to play Pakistan on its own behalf when the govt of india was least bothered and when other Pakistan sporting teams were playing against India.

    The main goal of the BCCI has been to financially isolate the PCB.
    To me I think BCCI plays it smart. India/Pakistan games are a massive pay day for them. They don't want to overuse their biggest money maker match by finishing the thrill in Bi lateral series. That's why they make stupid excuses during the calendar year but don't deny the match in ICC tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Nope. BCCI has on many occasions in the past unilaterally decided not to play Pakistan on its own behalf when the govt of india was least bothered and when other Pakistan sporting teams were playing against India.

    The main goal of the BCCI has been to financially isolate the PCB.
    Can you give example of those many instances?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Lol GOI will send its troops to attack ICC headquarters in Dubai?

    The moment ICC bans all other member nations to affiliate with BCCI, oh boy you will see the floor under BCCI dissapear
    The members make ICC. ICC doesnot make the members. Such a ban needs to muster enough votes atleast two third. Lol if you think anyone will ban India for PCB.

    India's diplomatic clout means almost no country will boycott India.

    You think the SLC the BCB the ACB the CSA will be allowed by their govts to boycott India?

    And who will pay these countries the millions they will lose if India doesnt tour?

    GOI banned all forex transfers to ICC in 2000. Within 2 days ICC was on the knees agreeing to the terms of BCCI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    To me I think BCCI plays it smart. India/Pakistan games are a massive pay day for them. They don't want to overuse their biggest money maker match by finishing the thrill in Bi lateral series. That's why they make stupid excuses during the calendar year but don't deny the match in ICC tournaments.
    Did you read how much BCCI will make from its TV rights? $3.5bn from 2018 to 2022. No Pakistan or Pakistani involved. Thats more than ICC's entire projected revenue from 2015 to 2023.

    Money from ICC matches go to ICC and not BCCI. BCCI couldnt care less about playing Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Legal options outside the ICC will follow after going through the ICC first. Every court and dispute committee first asks you whether you went through the first step and proper channel.
    Savak, a court has no jurisdiction outside the nation.

    Can a case be setup in india under which bcci falls? Ofcourse yes.

    But it all boils down to government policy. And BCCI is within legal rights by not playing against Pakistan vide the policy.

    So the plaintiff doesn't have any case in hand.

    If you pcb will sue outside India, well.... Bcci wouldn't even care.

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    Fact that BCCI has agreed to a hearing by the ICC appointed panel means that they are prepared to accept and comply with the judgment.

    PCB would be keep to impress the FTP and the MOU are binding contracts based on the fact that TV rights are valued on its basis. Don't think they would have much by way of precedence to buttress their claim though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Fact that BCCI has agreed to a hearing by the ICC appointed panel means that they are prepared to accept and comply with the judgment.

    PCB would be keep to impress the FTP and the MOU are binding contracts based on the fact that TV rights are valued on its basis. Don't think they would have much by way of precedence to buttress their claim though.
    Agreed to hearing and complying with judgement are totally different subject. One does not necessarily leads to the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Fact that BCCI has agreed to a hearing by the ICC appointed panel means that they are prepared to accept and comply with the judgment.

    PCB would be keep to impress the FTP and the MOU are binding contracts based on the fact that TV rights are valued on its basis. Don't think they would have much by way of precedence to buttress their claim though.
    Because of jokers CoA at the helm of affair in BCCI it happened, as and when BCCI administrators get full control all will know how exactly world cricket will progress there on

    Current situation of BCCI is the best shot for PCB to get some favourable decesion with the help of ICC.

    Once CoA clowns move out, wrath of BCCI will be felt by ICC first ..#MyOpnion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Pretty simple actually, deduct the amounts the ICC gives the BCCI annually and transfer it to the PCB. No rocket science involved. Must take the fight to the BCCI
    What if the verdict is the other way around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Najam Sethi is a smart man. I am pretty sure he made a calculated decision in his stance against the BCCI and must have done plenty of lobbying and networking behind the scenes.
    I am sure the BCCI would have done the same. I don't think they would have sat back and did nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Nope. BCCI has on many occasions in the past unilaterally decided not to play Pakistan on its own behalf when the govt of india was least bothered and when other Pakistan sporting teams were playing against India.

    The main goal of the BCCI has been to financially isolate the PCB.
    Other sporting events don't equate to Cricket.Secondly if BCCI's goal is to financially isolate PCB then why is PCB dependending so much on BCCI.

    Let PCB do something on its own , is BCCI stopping PCB from earning money on its own.Let them earn money from playing PSL and all other nations.No one is stopping PCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Lol GOI will send its troops to attack ICC headquarters in Dubai?

    The moment ICC bans all other member nations to affiliate with BCCI, oh boy you will see the floor under BCCI dissapear
    Is that a pipe dream of yours that ICC will ban India. Then it will remain a pipe dream.

    PCB or ICC have no authority to decide whom BCCI should play or should not play.This sham of committee is all done to appease PCB as Mr.Shetty is is constantly on their heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The members make ICC. ICC doesnot make the members. Such a ban needs to muster enough votes atleast two third. Lol if you think anyone will ban India for PCB.

    India's diplomatic clout means almost no country will boycott India.

    You think the SLC the BCB the ACB the CSA will be allowed by their govts to boycott India?

    And who will pay these countries the millions they will lose if India doesnt tour?

    GOI banned all forex transfers to ICC in 2000. Within 2 days ICC was on the knees agreeing to the terms of BCCI.
    So what you are saying is BCCI are simply getting away with its unfair/discriminative tactics in the 21st century and there isnt a thing anyone will do about it because BCCI pays off all other boards who can take a stand against it?

    Best of luck mate, seems like the smell of money has intoxicated your thought for rational thinking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    So what you are saying is BCCI are simply getting away with its unfair/discriminative tactics in the 21st century and there isnt a thing anyone will do about it because BCCI pays off all other boards who can take a stand against it?

    Best of luck mate, seems like the smell of money has intoxicated your thought for rational thinking.
    What discriminatory tactics?what unfair tactics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    So what you are saying is BCCI are simply getting away with its unfair/discriminative tactics in the 21st century and there isnt a thing anyone will do about it because BCCI pays off all other boards who can take a stand against it?

    Best of luck mate, seems like the smell of money has intoxicated your thought for rational thinking.
    It is not doing anything of that sort, PCB is an independent body and it can do what it wants as long as it does not involve India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    So what you are saying is BCCI are simply getting away with its unfair/discriminative tactics in the 21st century and there isnt a thing anyone will do about it because BCCI pays off all other boards who can take a stand against it?

    Best of luck mate, seems like the smell of money has intoxicated your thought for rational thinking.
    Seems like @CJ is just mentioning the reality of the situation. As long as people/stuff are up for sale, someone will buy them/it. That's the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Najam Sethi is a smart man. I am pretty sure he made a calculated decision in his stance against the BCCI and must have done plenty of lobbying and networking behind the scenes.
    I'm sure he has. But I wouldn't be so sure that its the right move. If you think about a slightly bigger picture, and a longer time horizon, its not such a bright idea to perpetuate a rivalry with the BCCI. Sure, things are messy for the PCB with budgetary pressures, but with the PSL, that budget crunch has got to be reduced. Do they really want to go to war with the BCCI?

    Before all this MoU chaos, the PCB and BCCI have a strong working relationship, for mutual benefit, dating back to the 1980s. The BCCI wasn't the one denying government permission. If anything, the BCCI would love to resume cricket ties with the PCB, so both can milk more and more money out of India-Pak games.
    But by creating this conflict with lawsuits and ICC disputes, allying with Giles Clarke, the PCB has forced BCCI into a corporate conflict. The babus of the BCCI may be corrupt and inefficient. But they are effective administrators, and the organization has a historical record of effectiveness and power in the global game. PCB may have begun the official battle with the lawsuit, which was doomed; and this ICC committee stuff, which they may even get in their favor. But will it be worth the negative consequences in the long run? I really don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    What discriminatory tactics?what unfair tactics?
    I don't expect you to understand the meaning of discrimination in this sense, as I said it's either the money or patriotism to your country that doesn't allow you to realise that BCCI and their hateful stance against Pakistani cricket will only go down in history as a form of discrimination.

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    Lets be absolutely clear about this.

    ICC cannot force India to do the right thing, which is pay PCB compensation money for refusal to play them. The reason for that is that BCCI has a severe financial overpowerment upon the ICC. It's all about money. ICC would rather not lose its own money trying to get PCB its deserved money by upsetting BCCI.

    Money talks, not ethics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    I don't expect you to understand the meaning of discrimination in this sense, as I said it's either the money or patriotism to your country that doesn't allow you to realise that BCCI and their hateful stance against Pakistani cricket will only go down in history as a form of discrimination.
    There is no discrimination. India and Pakistan dont have very good relations and hence PCB is not allowed to make money out of Indian market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OoparCut View Post
    I'm sure he has. But I wouldn't be so sure that its the right move. If you think about a slightly bigger picture, and a longer time horizon, its not such a bright idea to perpetuate a rivalry with the BCCI. Sure, things are messy for the PCB with budgetary pressures, but with the PSL, that budget crunch has got to be reduced. Do they really want to go to war with the BCCI?

    Before all this MoU chaos, the PCB and BCCI have a strong working relationship, for mutual benefit, dating back to the 1980s. The BCCI wasn't the one denying government permission. If anything, the BCCI would love to resume cricket ties with the PCB, so both can milk more and more money out of India-Pak games.
    But by creating this conflict with lawsuits and ICC disputes, allying with Giles Clarke, the PCB has forced BCCI into a corporate conflict. The babus of the BCCI may be corrupt and inefficient. But they are effective administrators, and the organization has a historical record of effectiveness and power in the global game. PCB may have begun the official battle with the lawsuit, which was doomed; and this ICC committee stuff, which they may even get in their favor. But will it be worth the negative consequences in the long run? I really don't think so.
    PCB is run by short sighted people. After this MoU drama is over. Even if relations improve BCCI is under no obligation to play Pakistan or allow Pakistanis into IPL. Ofcourse no Indian govt will overtly ask Bcci to play with Pakistan. So PCBs can say goodbye to Indian market for sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    PCB is run by short sighted people. After this MoU drama is over. Even if relations improve BCCI is under no obligation to play Pakistan or allow Pakistanis into IPL. Ofcourse no Indian govt will overtly ask Bcci to play with Pakistan. So PCBs can say goodbye to Indian market for sometime.
    Shooting at own foot or Self Goal by PCB for short-term gain

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianFan2018 View Post
    Shooting at own foot or Self Goal by PCB for short-term gain
    The previous PCB administrators were wise enough to have good relations with bcci so that whenever govt permission is available they can play. Now even if govt gives permission Bcci may not entertain PCB one bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Lets be absolutely clear about this.

    ICC cannot force India to do the right thing, which is pay PCB compensation money for refusal to play them. The reason for that is that BCCI has a severe financial overpowerment upon the ICC. It's all about money. ICC would rather not lose its own money trying to get PCB its deserved money by upsetting BCCI.

    Money talks, not ethics
    Spot on. Just like the PCB and BCCI, the ICC should/will look after their interests first. Which is why I do not see this going PCB's way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USofA View Post
    Spot on. Just like the PCB and BCCI, the ICC should/will look after their interests first. Which is why I do not see this going PCB's way.
    ICC will get into too much complications. No one wants to get involved in a Indo-Pak matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    ICC will get into too much complications. No one wants to get involved in a Indo-Pak matter.
    ICC will be stupid if tries to find middle ground in Indo-Pak matters

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    i am scared what will bcci do with pcb when pak/india relation is normal .PCB should bow down to bcci

    And don,t ask for your rights from them because they will ban players from ipl and

    pakistan cricketer will become very poor .also broad casting deal will take a huge blow

    for pakistan as india will not play in bilateral

    this is insane the end is near for pcb and pakistan cricket

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    ICC will get into too much complications. No one wants to get involved in a Indo-Pak matter.
    Normally that's what I'd expect. But the manner and context in which the committee has been created, and the 'special' rules in place, make me suspect that a backroom deal is in place. A 3 man committee, with 1 representative each from India & Pakistan, and consensus not required, basically boils it down to a one man committee.

    In what world do administrative organizations set up dispute resolution mechanisms where the decisions of effectively one man are final, with no recourse to appeal? Why resort to such an abnormal setup? To give the facade of 'process' to a decision that is already been made. Its a clear "cover your ***" and PR tactic. So if you review about the decision makers, i.e. the Giles Clarke faction, who created the committee in the first place, then you will know what outcome that particular faction within the ICC would prefer to come out of the "dispute resolution". After all, why is there no committee to examine the failure of England to tour Zimbabwe for the last 14 years?

    Question is, what are the options for the BCCI if the 'verdict' is, as expected, not in its favor. Will they resort to the nuclear option? If they do, they would strengthen the argument of Giles Clarke and co. that the BCCI is the 'bad guy' with too much power, and the rest of the boards need to ally together against it.

    The BCCI needs to really get its act together in its interaction with the ICC, to counter these power games. But they are a headless organization right now, busy fighting with the Lodha Committee over its future structure.

    Like I said earlier, interesting times ahead.

    Problem for PCB is that, even if it does get a favorable ruling here, maximum benefit it will get is a fixed amount of $$, but it will guarantee hostile relations with the golden goose of cricket for an extended period of time. If you think about it objectively, that's not really in the best interests of Pakistan cricket.

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