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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    Again you’re talking without any facts, let the native Indians on Pp speak for themselves. I have spend 20+ years in India and im very certain when I say we Indians dont care about non Indian matches. There are few millions maybe 5-10% of population might watch neutral matches that doesnt equates to mega success.

    As for Psl, if im not wrong, the number of viewers from India watching PSL were around 10-20K only. Heck Karnatak PL gets far more viewers than that.

    If you think, losing India would not be a problem then why was Star Sports worried about India pulling out?

    Oh what about 2007 WC? It was tagged as epic fail because of the team that got knocked out in riund one was India. Broadcaster, host, and ICC lost huge sum of money.
    1) yes i am not talking about facts but neither are you. I am talking based on my experience and interaction with Indians and so are you.

    2) last PSL final receievd 28% viewers from India while Pakistan came second with 22%.

    3)i didnt say losing India will not be a problem. I just said many Indians will watch it regardless especially the knockout games. Ofcourse this is debatable.

    4)2007 world cup's biggest issue was that it was in WI. Even t20wc in WI was low profile.

    5) Yes the biggest point is that the price of
    broadcast rights will get reduced and thats an issue. I acknowledge that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    Your claim of India will watch Worldcup even if India doesnt play is as true as Pakistanis watching IPL all these years despite their players not allowed in it.
    1)What makes you think Pakistanis dont watch IPL?

    2) IPL is vastly inferior to world cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    1)What makes you think Pakistanis dont watch IPL?

    2) IPL is vastly inferior to world cup.

    The number of Pakistani watching IPL will be as good as India watching worldcup with no Indian team. Very minimum

    Ipl being inferior, still brings in far more revenue than Worldcup does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    1) yes i am not talking about facts but neither are you. I am talking based on my experience and interaction with Indians and so are you.

    2) last PSL final receievd 28% viewers from India while Pakistan came second with 22%.

    3)i didnt say losing India will not be a problem. I just said many Indians will watch it regardless especially the knockout games. Ofcourse this is debatable.

    4)2007 world cup's biggest issue was that it was in WI. Even t20wc in WI was low profile.

    5) Yes the biggest point is that the price of
    broadcast rights will get reduced and thats an issue. I acknowledge that.
    Most Indians will still watch worldcup even if we dont play? Haha man you really know how to crack a joke.


    Like I said, let the actual Indians verify your claim. So far, not one Indian have actually admitted to your claim. So, I know who is talking facts and who isnt.

    Lastly, your interaction with Indians doesnt equate to entire Indian population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Two things here about this post of yours :

    1) are you saying that ICC helps India in going deeper into the tournament by designing the tournament in a manner which suits India??

    2) In my opinion there were a lot of problems with the world cup in 2007, one big reason being that it was in WI. Sure India and even Pakistan not going deep into the tournament dented the commercial effectiveness of the tournament but there is more to it than that. Even the t20wc in WI was the most low profile of all t20WCs till now.

    I know India brings a lot of revenue, i have not denied that. My point is that Indians would watch the world cup regardless of India playing or not. But you said the price of broadcasting rights in India would be reduced and i think thats a valid point.
    Price of broadcasting rights would go down BECAUSE Indians wont watch matches.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Two things here about this post of yours :

    1) are you saying that ICC helps India in going deeper into the tournament by designing the tournament in a manner which suits India??
    The world cup is designed in a way to minimize upsets. Bangladesh beating India in 2007 was an upset when each team played other three teams in their group. By dividing teams in two groups of 6 and 7, ICC ensure that the stronger teams would go deep.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    Most Indians will still watch worldcup even if we dont play? Haha man you really know how to crack a joke.


    Like I said, let the actual Indians verify your claim. So far, not one Indian have actually admitted to your claim. So, I know who is talking facts and who isnt.

    Lastly, your interaction with Indians doesnt equate to entire Indian population.
    And your does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LastManstanding View Post
    Price of broadcasting rights would go down BECAUSE Indians wont watch matches.
    No, it would go down Because of the fear of Indians not watching matches.

    Its not the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    The number of Pakistani watching IPL will be as good as India watching worldcup with no Indian team. Very minimum

    Ipl being inferior, still brings in far more revenue than Worldcup does.
    The almighty IPL revenue comes into play again when its completely irrelevant.

    I guess we would never know whether Indians will watch a world cup without India. Common sense says any meaningful world cup match would be watched no matter what eg. The football world cup is watched by Indians when India isnt playing, PSL knockouts are watched by Indians more than Pakistanis themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The GOI will object whenever they want, there is nothing ICC can do about it. Its a policy matter of a sovereign govt.
    Then Indian should form their own cricket council and then they can choose whoever they want to play. If you are part of ICC then you cant pick n choose opponents.

    Why do the Indian politicians dont stand up when India plays Pakistan in ICC tournuments. If they were truly brave they would have boycotted ICC Champions Trophy final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    The almighty IPL revenue comes into play again when its completely irrelevant.

    I guess we would never know whether Indians will watch a world cup without India. Common sense says any meaningful world cup match would be watched no matter what eg. The football world cup is watched by Indians when India isnt playing, PSL knockouts are watched by Indians more than Pakistanis themselves.
    Can you substantiate this from any source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The PCB can easily prove that the real issue has mostly been the BCCI deliberately wanting to avoid playing Pakistan even on most occasions when the GOI approval was not an issue and it was during those times when the Indians refused to honor their commitments to tour Pakistan or play Pakistani home series in neutral territory. As India is a member of the ICC, the ICC can direct a member cricketing state to pay compensation to another cricketing member state i.e. Pakistan.
    When the GOI is on record saying that they will not allow a series with Pakistan how can pcb say otherwise? The so called MoU was only signed in 2014.

    ICC is not a court.Icc is not a party to the so called MoU.


    Any directions that icc gives thats in contradiction to the policies of GOI will put ICC in legal and regulatory trouble in India. Every international organisation has to follow the laws of a sovereign country, it cannot pass any directions that violate the laws of a member country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mohan11 View Post
    It doesnt have any logical standing jut more and more wishful thinking. PCB will end up paying for BCCI's lawyers too.
    Is that possible in this scenario? If yes, it would be hilarious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The PCB can adopt the position with the iCC that either you compensate us or force the BCCI to compensate us, the choice is yours. The ICC will be subject to the decision of the courts in Dubai and the ICC can under pressure demand that the BCCI rightfully compensate the PCB.
    Why will ICC be responsible for a so called MoU between Bcci and pcb? They didnot sign it. Why will icc compensate pcb? Did ICC ask pcb to sign the MoU? Did they act as a guarantor?

    So icc will be under pressure by UAE courts a very miniscule market for cricket but will not be under pressure from Indian laws. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USofA View Post
    This seems straight forward. But why has nothing happened? Things haven't moved and inch. Where is the holdup- PCB or the ICC?
    If the MoU was signed in 2014 and the GOI has denied permission since then, how can pcb prove the opposite?

    Permission has been denied since 2008.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/20...tancricketteam

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Indians will still watch the world cup
    You believe that the Indian govt wont act againist ICC for interfering in policy matters of India?Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    When the GOI is on record saying that they will not allow a series with Pakistan how can pcb say otherwise? The so called MoU was only signed in 2014.

    ICC is not a court.Icc is not a party to the so called MoU.


    Any directions that icc gives thats in contradiction to the policies of GOI will put ICC in legal and regulatory trouble in India. Every international organisation has to follow the laws of a sovereign country, it cannot pass any directions that violate the laws of a member country.
    The Govt Of India cannot magically allow Pakistan India contests in the ODI WC, T-20 WC, ODI Asia Cup, T-20 Asia Cup, CT, Indian home series and then magically not allow Pakistan India contests when it comes to a Pakistan India series in Pakistan or on a nuetral venue (Pakistani home series). There was no Govt of India issue in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017. Either the BCCI has enough power and discretion to go ahead the GOI when it serves it or is just conveniently making up the GOI excuse to deliberately avoid playing Pakistan in Pakistan or on a neutral venue. Even if the GOI excuse is even true, the BCCI deserves to be taken to the cleaners for acting in bad faith and for deliberately entering into an official agreement with the PCB in 2014 in exchange for the Big 3 vote and offering prior and future home series to Pakistan which they had no real intent of honoring.

    The ICC sure cannot force India to play Pakistan but can force the BCCI to pay damages to the PCB due to BCCI's deceitful act in 2014 and for the BCCI refusing to honor the FTP, for refusal to play Pakistan in Pakistan or on neutral territory even when it has enough sway to go ahead the GOI (assuming that the GOI is the hindrant) but enough evidence is out there that the BCCI is the real culprit here and not the GOI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    If the MoU was signed in 2014 and the GOI has denied permission since then, how can pcb prove the opposite?

    Permission has been denied since 2008.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/20...tancricketteam
    Nah, Indian Govt permission or refusal has never been the issue, tbh i dont even think the GOI cares, they have too many other things to focus on. The real issue is the BCCI which conveniently over rules its govt whenever an ODI WC, T-20 WC, ODI Asia Cup, T-20 Asia Cup, CT, Indian home series against Pakistan but decides to respect its govt decision whenever it comes to playing Pakistan in Pakistan or on a neutral venue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    I am talking about Indians watching other teams compete. A big proportion of Indian population will watch the world cup even without India.
    Think this.

    GOI stops Indo Pak series because of terrorism emanating from Pakistan.

    Icc sides with pakistan and asks bcci to pay compensation.

    Bcci refuses to oblidge and withdraws in protest from the WC.

    It will be Icc with Pakistan againist India. Good luck getting even the event televised in India, let alone having a big audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vildoc View Post
    Can you substantiate this from any source?
    https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/cric...-other-country

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    1)What makes you think Pakistanis dont watch IPL?

    2) IPL is vastly inferior to world cup.
    The Broadcast deal for 5 years of IPL is more than the entire ICC revenue from 2015 to 2023. Tells you what the broadcasters value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Think this.

    GOI stops Indo Pak series because of terrorism emanating from Pakistan.

    Icc sides with pakistan and asks bcci to pay compensation.

    Bcci refuses to oblidge and withdraws in protest from the WC.

    It will be Icc with Pakistan againist India. Good luck getting even the event televised in India, let alone having a big audience.
    So you think GOI will ban the event from being broadcasted in India. I must say you have pretty high expectations from your government.

    The biggest problem is that contract rates would go down. Even that will be because of fear of Indians not watching the world cup altogether rather than facts and figures or even common sense..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The Broadcast deal for 5 years of IPL is more than the entire ICC revenue from 2015 to 2023. Tells you what the broadcasters value.
    So IPL is superior to cricket world cup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Then Indian should form their own cricket council and then they can choose whoever they want to play. If you are part of ICC then you cant pick n choose opponents.

    Why do the Indian politicians dont stand up when India plays Pakistan in ICC tournuments. If they were truly brave they would have boycotted ICC Champions Trophy final.
    England doesnt play Zimbabwe. Its their policy.

    No sporting organisation can dictate the policy of a nation.

    Why will India drag icc and rest of its members in its bilateral issues with Pakistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    So you think GOI will ban the event from being broadcasted in India. I must say you have pretty high expectations from your government.

    The biggest problem is that contract rates would go down. Even that will be because of fear of Indians not watching the world cup altogether rather than facts and figures or even common sense..
    In 2002 GoI and Supreme court did decided to ban the Icc event and also stop the money flow from Indian sponsors to ICC. So, if they can do it when India wasnt even strong team both on and off the field, then what will be stopping now?

    Modi is smart business leader (being a gujju hehe), he would hurt ICC where it will hurt the most, and that is Money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The Govt Of India cannot magically allow Pakistan India contests in the ODI WC, T-20 WC, ODI Asia Cup, T-20 Asia Cup, CT, Indian home series and then magically not allow Pakistan India contests when it comes to a Pakistan India series in Pakistan or on a nuetral venue (Pakistani home series). There was no Govt of India issue in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017. Either the BCCI has enough power and discretion to go ahead the GOI when it serves it or is just conveniently making up the GOI excuse to deliberately avoid playing Pakistan in Pakistan or on a neutral venue. Even if the GOI excuse is even true, the BCCI deserves to be taken to the cleaners for acting in bad faith and for deliberately entering into an official agreement with the PCB in 2014 in exchange for the Big 3 vote and offering prior and future home series to Pakistan which they had no real intent of honoring.

    The ICC sure cannot force India to play Pakistan but can force the BCCI to pay damages to the PCB due to BCCI's deceitful act in 2014 and for the BCCI refusing to honor the FTP, for refusal to play Pakistan in Pakistan or on neutral territory even when it has enough sway to go ahead the GOI (assuming that the GOI is the hindrant) but enough evidence is out there that the BCCI is the real culprit here and not the GOI.
    The GOI can allow and disallow whatever it wants. Its not answerable to icc or pcb. Get that in your mind.

    Is it very difficult to read? I have posted links to official statements of Indian Govt denying permission in 2008 as well. The GOI has denied permission and thats the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    So IPL is superior to cricket world cup?
    In terms of generating revenue for the broadcaster? Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    So you think GOI will ban the event from being broadcasted in India. I must say you have pretty high expectations from your government.

    The biggest problem is that contract rates would go down. Even that will be because of fear of Indians not watching the world cup altogether rather than facts and figures or even common sense..
    Precedent set in 2002.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Nah, Indian Govt permission or refusal has never been the issue, tbh i dont even think the GOI cares, they have too many other things to focus on. The real issue is the BCCI which conveniently over rules its govt whenever an ODI WC, T-20 WC, ODI Asia Cup, T-20 Asia Cup, CT, Indian home series against Pakistan but decides to respect its govt decision whenever it comes to playing Pakistan in Pakistan or on a neutral venue.
    So the article by The Guardian is a lie?

    Indian govt has officially denied permission and announced it as well. You claiming otherwise wont change it.

    If you read the articles the govt. Has also stated that they will not interfere in multi lateral events.

    Bcci cannot overrule GOI. Lol. They will be put in the jail.
    Last edited by cricketjoshila; 9th February 2018 at 06:40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    So the article by The Guardian is a lie?

    Indian govt has officially denied permission and announced it as well. You claiming otherwise wont change it.

    If you read the articles the govt. Has also stated that they will not interfere in multi lateral events.

    Bcci cannot overrule GOI. Lol. They will be put in the jail.
    BCCI over ruled the govt in 2012 and 2013 for the home series in India. In fact if the PCB tells the BCCI that they want to come to India for a billateral ODI and T-20 series, they BCCI would gladly agree and the so called GOI approval will no longer be an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The PCB can use many cards, the ICC being compromised and refusing to play its role in regulating the abusive behavior of one member country over another. The ICC forced the BCCI in 2001 to drop Sehwag for the first test match against England in 2001 after the BCCI tried to protest the Ball tampering verdicts against the Indian players.
    If the PCB has so many different ways to win this, why has nothing happened? This thing is 4-5 years old and still dragging. There have been statement after statement from the PCB, but zero action. This in exactly the same place now as it was when this whole ordeal started.

    But you are saying the PCB has several cards. Why are they refusing the play the cards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LastManstanding View Post
    And what if BCCI refuse to play in the world cup, how will ICC earn the "handouts" in the first place to remove money from it?
    Exactly. An ICC product without BCCI component is valued peanuts. The ICC needs BCCI to make the $$. The BCCI does not need the ICC to make $$. Case in point - new IPL TV deal worth $2.6 Billion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    The Govt Of India cannot magically allow Pakistan India contests in the ODI WC, T-20 WC, ODI Asia Cup, T-20 Asia Cup, CT, Indian home series and then magically not allow Pakistan India contests when it comes to a Pakistan India series in Pakistan or on a nuetral venue (Pakistani home series). There was no Govt of India issue in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017. Either the BCCI has enough power and discretion to go ahead the GOI when it serves it or is just conveniently making up the GOI excuse to deliberately avoid playing Pakistan in Pakistan or on a neutral venue. Even if the GOI excuse is even true, the BCCI deserves to be taken to the cleaners for acting in bad faith and for deliberately entering into an official agreement with the PCB in 2014 in exchange for the Big 3 vote and offering prior and future home series to Pakistan which they had no real intent of honoring.

    The ICC sure cannot force India to play Pakistan but can force the BCCI to pay damages to the PCB due to BCCI's deceitful act in 2014 and for the BCCI refusing to honor the FTP, for refusal to play Pakistan in Pakistan or on neutral territory even when it has enough sway to go ahead the GOI (assuming that the GOI is the hindrant) but enough evidence is out there that the BCCI is the real culprit here and not the GOI.
    You are talking about a sovereign govt. It can make any decision it wants and change the same whenever it wants. Which is why I feel the PCB is going to keep hitting a wall.

    Again, the ICC can render a verdict in favor of the PCB, but how is it going to enforce it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Precedent set in 2002.
    Elaborate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    In terms of generating revenue for the broadcaster? Yes.
    Not just the money. Overall would you say IPL is superior to World cup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    BCCI over ruled the govt in 2012 and 2013 for the home series in India. In fact if the PCB tells the BCCI that they want to come to India for a billateral ODI and T-20 series, they BCCI would gladly agree and the so called GOI approval will no longer be an issue.
    Bcci didnot overrule the govt. Lol. The govt gave permission.


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20840805

    The govt granted permission for the 2012 and the govt got a pasting in the media and in the parliament for it.

    So who will grant visas to Pakistan team if the GOI refuses to give visas? May be you think bcci gives out visas to India as well.

    You have no idea about India or its laws. So its better you dont talk about it. No one can overrule GOI unless and until its order is declared unconstitutional by a Supreme Court bench.

    Bcci has to obey what GOI says.

    Why dont you read up a bit before making such posts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Elaborate.
    One example.


    https://m.rediff.com/wc2003/2003/jan/22cont.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Think this.

    GOI stops Indo Pak series because of terrorism emanating from Pakistan.

    Icc sides with pakistan and asks bcci to pay compensation.

    Bcci refuses to oblidge and withdraws in protest from the WC.

    It will be Icc with Pakistan againist India. Good luck getting even the event televised in India, let alone having a big audience.
    India, on principle, should stop playing with Pakistan at ANY point of time. No bilaterals and plenty of ICC tourney matches is a bit confusing. If BCCI doesn't give two hoots about ICC, why does it end up playing Pakistan when the big bad ICC faces them off time and again? Boycott the whole tournament because as you fans say, you can and cricket would suffer from it. If you have principles, stick to it. India should stop this hypocritical nonsense. Stop playing Pakistan full stop, don't pick and choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    And what became of it? Did they go through with it?

    This matter is different though. Bcci had not promised anything to anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    India, on principle, should stop playing with Pakistan at ANY point of time. No bilaterals and plenty of ICC tourney matches is a bit confusing. If BCCI doesn't give two hoots about ICC, why does it end up playing Pakistan when the big bad ICC faces them off time and again? Boycott the whole tournament because as you fans say, you can and cricket would suffer from it. If you have principles, stick to it. India should stop this hypocritical nonsense. Stop playing Pakistan full stop, don't pick and choose.
    The key here is that the BCCI is getting away with picking and choosing. Nobody is trying to stop them or question them. So, why would the BCCI stop on their own, when they doing what they want?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USofA View Post
    The key here is that the BCCI is getting away with picking and choosing. Nobody is trying to stop them or question them. So, why would the BCCI stop on their own, when they doing what they want?
    I know. BCCI should just come out and confirm that they are a beghairat institution, and they can do whatever we want so that PCB lets go of this drama that is burning up unnecessary money, which could be utilized for actual important aspects like domestic structure etc. BCCI, with all its might behind them, should not shy away from this. Being beghairat as long as you're making money and protecting your interests is not a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    I know. BCCI should just come out and confirm that they are a beghairat institution, and they can do whatever we want so that PCB lets go of this drama that is burning up unnecessary money, which could be utilized for actual important aspects like domestic structure etc. BCCI, with all its might behind them, should not shy away from this. Being beghairat as long as you're making money and protecting your interests is not a bad thing.
    The PCB does not have to wait for the BCCI to do anything. They can stop spending money right now on their own. This saga can be put to an end by the PCB anytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    And what became of it? Did they go through with it?

    This matter is different though. Bcci had not promised anything to anyone.
    The ICC backed down. Didnt they? You sir need to read the whole history that led to this step by the courts.

    This matter is even more serious. ICC interfering in a policy matter of GOI that too on the side of Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    India, on principle, should stop playing with Pakistan at ANY point of time. No bilaterals and plenty of ICC tourney matches is a bit confusing. If BCCI doesn't give two hoots about ICC, why does it end up playing Pakistan when the big bad ICC faces them off time and again? Boycott the whole tournament because as you fans say, you can and cricket would suffer from it. If you have principles, stick to it. India should stop this hypocritical nonsense. Stop playing Pakistan full stop, don't pick and choose.
    Why do you think India will act according to what you want it to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by USofA View Post
    The key here is that the BCCI is getting away with picking and choosing. Nobody is trying to stop them or question them. So, why would the BCCI stop on their own, when they doing what they want?
    Bcci is playing Pakistan in multilateral events because GOI allows it. Why will GOI drag ICC and other nations into its bilateral issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Why do you think India will act according to what you want it to be?
    There's something seriously wrong with you if thats the response you could think of for that post. Not surprised, the word I used in my previous post describes you and your kind perfectly well lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    There's something seriously wrong with you if thats the response you could think of for that post. Not surprised, the word I used in my previous post describes you and your kind perfectly well lol.
    We will not drag others into our issues with Pakistan. We will not act as some pakistanis want us to and we will not give pcb the oppurtunity to make a bilateral issue into a global cricket issue.

    That word describes pcb and you and your kind, running behind bcci for a series to get money. How many times have Zaka Ashraf, sharyar Khan and Sethi talked about wanting a series with India and how many times have bcci said they want a series? Pretty obvious who fits into that word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    1) yes i am not talking about facts but neither are you. I am talking based on my experience and interaction with Indians and so are you.

    2) last PSL final receievd 28% viewers from India while Pakistan came second with 22%.

    3)i didnt say losing India will not be a problem. I just said many Indians will watch it regardless especially the knockout games. Ofcourse this is debatable.

    4)2007 world cup's biggest issue was that it was in WI. Even t20wc in WI was low profile.

    5) Yes the biggest point is that the price of
    broadcast rights will get reduced and thats an issue. I acknowledge that.
    Do you know why Champions League Twenty20 was shelved, despite upto 4 IPL teams taking part in it? There were too many non Indian team matches which didn't attract much audience in India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by par View Post
    Do you know why Champions League Twenty20 was shelved, despite upto 4 IPL teams taking part in it? There were too many non Indian team matches which didn't attract much audience in India.
    It was owned by the BCCI and was more of a domestic Indian competition not a true global event. By your logic there should be no World cup or ICC tournaments because of not enough Indian teams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    1) yes i am not talking about facts but neither are you. I am talking based on my experience and interaction with Indians and so are you.

    2) last PSL final receievd 28% viewers from India while Pakistan came second with 22%.

    3)i didnt say losing India will not be a problem. I just said many Indians will watch it regardless especially the knockout games. Ofcourse this is debatable.

    4)2007 world cup's biggest issue was that it was in WI. Even t20wc in WI was low profile.

    5) Yes the biggest point is that the price of
    broadcast rights will get reduced and thats an issue. I acknowledge that.
    That 28% of viewers is the online telecast per cent. Question is what was the total number of online views then we will know the numbers.

    Since psl isnt telecasted in india nor do i see its match coverages in Indian newspaper, for anyone to follow the games in India the only option is online.

    So unless we know the total figure this 28% online view is just a number with no reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    BCCI over ruled the govt in 2012 and 2013 for the home series in India. In fact if the PCB tells the BCCI that they want to come to India for a billateral ODI and T-20 series, they BCCI would gladly agree and the so called GOI approval will no longer be an issue.
    Do you think any institution can overrule its government? may it happens in Pakistan. But nowhere else it does. There is no way BCCI can overrule whatever GOI stand is on any topic. BCCI is just a society registered as such. How can you or anyone assume an institution in a sovereign country overrule its own sovereign government. May be your experience in Pakistan be different, it doesn't happen like that anywhere..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    The almighty IPL revenue comes into play again when its completely irrelevant.

    I guess we would never know whether Indians will watch a world cup without India. Common sense says any meaningful world cup match would be watched no matter what eg. The football world cup is watched by Indians when India isnt playing, PSL knockouts are watched by Indians more than Pakistanis themselves.
    How can Indians watch IPL when it was not even broadcasted by any sports channel ?

    IIRC recently some new channel has taken rights for India telecast of IPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Not just the money. Overall would you say IPL is superior to World cup?
    doesn't matter what i and you think about it. For the target audience (many of whom don't watch any cricket other than IPL) it is bigger and superior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Bcci didnot overrule the govt. Lol. The govt gave permission.


    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-20840805

    The govt granted permission for the 2012 and the govt got a pasting in the media and in the parliament for it.

    So who will grant visas to Pakistan team if the GOI refuses to give visas? May be you think bcci gives out visas to India as well.

    You have no idea about India or its laws. So its better you dont talk about it. No one can overrule GOI unless and until its order is declared unconstitutional by a Supreme Court bench.

    Bcci has to obey what GOI says.

    Why dont you read up a bit before making such posts?
    i don't fault him not knowing Indian laws as it is his enemy country. he doesn't seem to know ABC about how a sovereign country makes its policies and its relationship with institutions created within its boundaries. Honestly my 12 year old kid knows more about international relationship than what is being displayed here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    India, on principle, should stop playing with Pakistan at ANY point of time. No bilaterals and plenty of ICC tourney matches is a bit confusing. If BCCI doesn't give two hoots about ICC, why does it end up playing Pakistan when the big bad ICC faces them off time and again? Boycott the whole tournament because as you fans say, you can and cricket would suffer from it. If you have principles, stick to it. India should stop this hypocritical nonsense. Stop playing Pakistan full stop, don't pick and choose.
    Whatever stand/principle India wants to have on any country, anybody, any policy is completely upto GOI. They are answerable to Indian Parliament and to Indian citizens.. not sure how anyone else can dictate there.. That is the case with every other country not just India..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gubol123 View Post
    i don't fault him not knowing Indian laws as it is his enemy country. he doesn't seem to know ABC about how a sovereign country makes its policies and its relationship with institutions created within its boundaries. Honestly my 12 year old kid knows more about international relationship than what is being displayed here
    True, Some don't know about GOI and it's policy ..just giving comments like experts

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianFan2018 View Post
    True, Some don't know about GOI and it's policy ..just giving comments like experts
    forget about knowing Indian policy. it is common sense and the basic principle of a sovereign government that it will make policies and take stand which is beneficial to its citizens. Of course those policies and stand could be wrong. In that case they are answerable to their Parliament and their citizens. Only in a twisted universe an institution created within a government jurisdiction can create its own foreign policies and take stand which is adverse to the government. BCCI is just a society created under society act of India. It is not even a fully autonomous body. Its rights are similar to what a housing society would be. Certain leeway is provided as it does an important job but noway they have right to create policies or even advise GOI on foreign relations let also defy those policies. Some of these posters have to get out and experience real world.

    Also there is a big disconnect with the logic these posters use. According to them BCCI is a greedy organization which would sell its own mother for money. They they say PCB is losing millions of dollars. If PCB is indeed losing X amount of money, BCCI would be losing atleast 5X of that money. Won't an organization which would sell its own mother for money do everything to earn that 5X money? If the basic premise of BCCI being evil, greedy, money oriented organization is true won't they do everything in their control to earn more money..

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    Please guys, try to stay on topic without resorting to personal attacks.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gubol123 View Post
    i don't fault him not knowing Indian laws as it is his enemy country. he doesn't seem to know ABC about how a sovereign country makes its policies and its relationship with institutions created within its boundaries. Honestly my 12 year old kid knows more about international relationship than what is being displayed here
    How can u pre-judge someone. If members in Pakpassion were anti-India or see them as enemy would half of the posts in these forums dedicated to Indian cricketers even be allowed?

    I think even a 5 year old can understand that BCCI itself is on a mission to 'isolate Pakistan'. BCCI does'nt give 2 hoots to Govt. of India, Indian Supreme Court or Indian citizens. They feel there achieving their objectives of working against an 'enemy Pakistan'. How one treats the other, is seen in action not words.

    BCCI should ask Indian GoI officially ban themselves from playing Pakistan if they are so patriotic, these backend games should'nt work. Saying something else to the ICC, something different to the PCB and posing something extremely the wrong picture to their citizens.

    I think BCCI should be much clear and frank on this issue.

    Initially the Indian media was saying the DRC Cmmte. won't be formed as PCB has no case, and once the DRC is being formed by ICC, now they are saying they're not going to win and using former disgruntled PCB boss Zaka Ashraf statements, the van't be used as proof in the ICC deliberations.

    Btw I am not a fan of India v Pakistan matches and quite happy with India's duplicitious policy I believe we should'nt even play in the multilateral or ICC tournaments due to the situation that
    follows after the match. Kashmiri students are attacked if Pakistan wins and Pakistanis are attacked online when India wins. Best case scenario no matches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gubol123 View Post
    forget about knowing Indian policy. it is common sense and the basic principle of a sovereign government that it will make policies and take stand which is beneficial to its citizens. Of course those policies and stand could be wrong. In that case they are answerable to their Parliament and their citizens. Only in a twisted universe an institution created within a government jurisdiction can create its own foreign policies and take stand which is adverse to the government. BCCI is just a society created under society act of India. It is not even a fully autonomous body. Its rights are similar to what a housing society would be. Certain leeway is provided as it does an important job but noway they have right to create policies or even advise GOI on foreign relations let also defy those policies. Some of these posters have to get out and experience real world.

    Also there is a big disconnect with the logic these posters use. According to them BCCI is a greedy organization which would sell its own mother for money. They they say PCB is losing millions of dollars. If PCB is indeed losing X amount of money, BCCI would be losing atleast 5X of that money. Won't an organization which would sell its own mother for money do everything to earn that 5X money? If the basic premise of BCCI being evil, greedy, money oriented organization is true won't they do everything in their control to earn more money..
    No point explaining facts; denial and false belief will give pleasure to few individuals, let them continue to have that by bashing BCCI!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    We will not drag others into our issues with Pakistan. We will not act as some pakistanis want us to and we will not give pcb the oppurtunity to make a bilateral issue into a global cricket issue.

    That word describes pcb and you and your kind, running behind bcci for a series to get money. How many times have Zaka Ashraf, sharyar Khan and Sethi talked about wanting a series with India and how many times have bcci said they want a series? Pretty obvious who fits into that word.
    The issue is that India should cut cricketing ties with Pakistan. In that principle, I don't think it should matter if you are dragging others into it or not. As a matter of principle, India should effectively stop playing Pakistan full-stop. It's weird that India and Pakistan have played matches in every ICC tourney since T20WC 2010, while Indian politicians and fans strut around spewing rubbish about never wanting to play Pakistan due to terrorism bla bla bla. BCCI doesn't even care about what the ICC or the other members think of them, then why does boycotting the ICC tournaments mean anything? You are contradicting yourselves trying to justify the BCCI/GOI motives when you have no idea what exactly their thought process really is.

    Pakistan was given false promises, based on which they signed broadcasting deals. They have incurred massive losses because of that. I don't even want to discuss this point with you since you clearly do not understand how broadcast contracts work. Continue your chest-thumping, because that is how it looks unfortunately.

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    @Usman Chadda

    Well said bro, their having the cake and eating it too pluc giving more damage to Pakistan's financial interests. I as a Pakistani citizen would absolutely support BCCI to go to ICC and say we wish to have no cricketing ties with Pakistan officially. Every Indian action is non-official [not sanctioned by the govt.], why because for their own interests.
    Indians export food products to films to TV content into Pakistan and earn quite a lotfrom it whereas Pakistani artists/cricketers can't even work in India. A Pakistani film 'bin roye' passed indian censors was slated to release with Indian film Bajrangi Bhaijaan in 2015 but did'nt release due to a threat of a political group called MNS in Bombay unofficially, film was withdrawn by the Indian distributor himself officially, on paper.

    There only purpose is not allow a Pakistani to financially benefit from any Indian source but not stop Indians from benefiting commercially from Pakistan. Tomorrow if an Australian metes out same treatment to an Indian artist, the Indian govt. will say there was no ban on Pakistani or any other citizen by us we are the most angelic community on earth, on paper they will blame an organization, person for not allowing Pakistani artists/cricketers.

    As a PAkistani, I would support an Indian citizen for his wish to have no ties with Pakistan as long as it official and on purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    The issue is that India should cut cricketing ties with Pakistan. In that principle, I don't think it should matter if you are dragging others into it or not. As a matter of principle, India should effectively stop playing Pakistan full-stop. It's weird that India and Pakistan have played matches in every ICC tourney since T20WC 2010, while Indian politicians and fans strut around spewing rubbish about never wanting to play Pakistan due to terrorism bla bla bla. BCCI doesn't even care about what the ICC or the other members think of them, then why does boycotting the ICC tournaments mean anything? You are contradicting yourselves trying to justify the BCCI/GOI motives when you have no idea what exactly their thought process really is.

    Pakistan was given false promises, based on which they signed broadcasting deals. They have incurred massive losses because of that. I don't even want to discuss this point with you since you clearly do not understand how broadcast contracts work. Continue your chest-thumping, because that is how it looks unfortunately.
    If India doesnot play Pakistan in icc events then it affects the entire event and by extension the ICC and all other members. Why should India bother them?

    We have issues with Pakistan so we dont play bilateral series with them. This arrangement doesnt bother icc or other members of icc.

    GOI's thought process is very clear, its actions should only affect Pakistan and no other cricketing nation.

    I do not understand broadcast deals lol. Truth is 60% of pcbs broadcast revenue is dependent on India playing a series, thats how desperate your condition is. Why isnt Indian deal dependent on Pakistan tours? Why ipl gets such massive value despite no pakistani player. Build your own resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamstead_joy View Post
    How can u pre-judge someone. If members in Pakpassion were anti-India or see them as enemy would half of the posts in these forums dedicated to Indian cricketers even be allowed?

    I think even a 5 year old can understand that BCCI itself is on a mission to 'isolate Pakistan'. BCCI does'nt give 2 hoots to Govt. of India, Indian Supreme Court or Indian citizens. They feel there achieving their objectives of working against an 'enemy Pakistan'. How one treats the other, is seen in action not words.

    BCCI should ask Indian GoI officially ban themselves from playing Pakistan if they are so patriotic, these backend games should'nt work. Saying something else to the ICC, something different to the PCB and posing something extremely the wrong picture to their citizens.

    I think BCCI should be much clear and frank on this issue.

    Initially the Indian media was saying the DRC Cmmte. won't be formed as PCB has no case, and once the DRC is being formed by ICC, now they are saying they're not going to win and using former disgruntled PCB boss Zaka Ashraf statements, the van't be used as proof in the ICC deliberations.

    Btw I am not a fan of India v Pakistan matches and quite happy with India's duplicitious policy I believe we should'nt even play in the multilateral or ICC tournaments due to the situation that
    follows after the match. Kashmiri students are attacked if Pakistan wins and Pakistanis are attacked online when India wins. Best case scenario no matches.
    I am sorry, i am not prejudging anyone.. Please browse through his other posts..

    You are replying emotionally. Ofcourse it is a declared Indian GOI policy to isolate Pakistan. i didn't think there was any mystery there. But how can BCCI not give 2 hoots to GOI, SC and Citizens? does BCCI have its own country where they are making their own laws. BCCI is currently an headless organization because they tried to go against SC wishes..

    BCCI can ask whatever they want. GOI will do what it feels fit and according to its own policies. That is exactly what i was saying. Any institution created within the geographical boundaries of a sovereign country has to abide by its laws. The govt will form foreign policies not institutions

    BCCI has been very clear and frank. They will play when they have a go ahead from GOI. how much more clearer and frank can they be?

    Indian/foreign media are free to say whatever they want and speculate all they want. Not sure how it is binding on the GOI

    Just like you, i am not at all a big fan of India Pak matches. most of the matches are one sided and devoid of quality cricket. India/SA (not the current LOIs, but in general), India/Aus and India/NZ (in LOIs) are much better. that is my opinion..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    The issue is that India should cut cricketing ties with Pakistan. In that principle, I don't think it should matter if you are dragging others into it or not. As a matter of principle, India should effectively stop playing Pakistan full-stop. It's weird that India and Pakistan have played matches in every ICC tourney since T20WC 2010, while Indian politicians and fans strut around spewing rubbish about never wanting to play Pakistan due to terrorism bla bla bla. BCCI doesn't even care about what the ICC or the other members think of them, then why does boycotting the ICC tournaments mean anything? You are contradicting yourselves trying to justify the BCCI/GOI motives when you have no idea what exactly their thought process really is.

    Pakistan was given false promises, based on which they signed broadcasting deals. They have incurred massive losses because of that. I don't even want to discuss this point with you since you clearly do not understand how broadcast contracts work. Continue your chest-thumping, because that is how it looks unfortunately.
    That is your wish, I have my own wish and opinion. Most of the other forum posters have their own wishes and opinion. But as far as GOI foreign policies are concerned the only thing that matters is the wish and opinion of GOI cabinet.. It is same for Pakistan and any other country..

    Indian Policy has been very clear and well articulated. they will not play in bilaterals as the issues with pakistan is bilateral in nature. Issue is not multilateral so they are okay to play in tournaments.. That is GOI policy. Now pakistan is free to have their own policy. One example is that they can say India is our enemy and we will not play them anywhere.. then that will be Pakistan policy and i don't think GOI can do much about it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamstead_joy View Post
    @Usman Chadda

    Well said bro, their having the cake and eating it too pluc giving more damage to Pakistan's financial interests. I as a Pakistani citizen would absolutely support BCCI to go to ICC and say we wish to have no cricketing ties with Pakistan officially. Every Indian action is non-official [not sanctioned by the govt.], why because for their own interests.
    Indians export food products to films to TV content into Pakistan and earn quite a lotfrom it whereas Pakistani artists/cricketers can't even work in India. A Pakistani film 'bin roye' passed indian censors was slated to release with Indian film Bajrangi Bhaijaan in 2015 but did'nt release due to a threat of a political group called MNS in Bombay unofficially, film was withdrawn by the Indian distributor himself officially, on paper.


    There only purpose is not allow a Pakistani to financially benefit from any Indian source but not stop Indians from benefiting commercially from Pakistan. Tomorrow if an Australian metes out same treatment to an Indian artist, the Indian govt. will say there was no ban on Pakistani or any other citizen by us we are the most angelic community on earth, on paper they will blame an organization, person for not allowing Pakistani artists/cricketers.

    As a PAkistani, I would support an Indian citizen for his wish to have no ties with Pakistan as long as it official and on purpose.
    If Pakistanis feel India is benefiting from the trade then they can force their govt to stop that. If you think it does not matter than allow it.. If India sees it can be more beneficial by having certain trade with Pakistan but not others, that is the policy GOI will follow. It is just rational and logical to do what is beneficial to yourself. GOI is elected by its people to do whatever is beneficial to its citizens.. Pakistan govt can do the same..

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    @Usman Chadda, @Hamstead_joy

    From what I know the India government has made things pretty clear. No to bi-laterals and yes to ICC events. I don't think this stance has changed in a while. Looks very simple and clear to me. Not sure what is confusing.

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    I also support your point of view.

    'Isolate Pakistan' policy
    Is it written somewhere in GoI plan of action govt. or structural foreign policy statement?
    I am sorry GoI has not 'declared' or 'officially sanctioned' any such policy.

    I know of anti-Pakistan policy of India for a long time bu they are never declared officially to protesct other interests.
    Uptil 1991/92, Pakistan Television content [dramas] were watched around North India esp. in urban areas, Amritsar, Delhi, Lucknow, Hyderabad, Bombay, etc.. due to local antennas catching PTV transmission on Indian border. Then Indian State and Central Govt. decided to mask signals by employing repelling steel structures on the border. They did it to specifically halt any projection of cultural image of Pakistan, but on paper they gave a totally different excuse.

    GoI has no official written policy on 'isolate Pakistan' or 'decimate Pakistan' or 'don't play Pakistan' if there is please post it here. BCCI had requested permission from Indian Govt. dept. to play with Pakistan what was the 'response'? Was their any reply given?

    I don't watch any Indian cricket so I'm happy with whatever steps India takes.
    Happy for GoI to go on it officially and totally like also push their businesses not to export products to Pakistan and block travel between the 2 countries which give benefit to India, I am with you on this policy.

    As you yourself say media statements are not official statments. BCCI is still being controlled, its treasurer/BJP politician is working despite the Lodha Panel deliberations. Supreme Court could only constitute a CoA of 3 people of which Guha [historian;attacked online by trolls] resigned last year.
    Last edited by Hamstead_joy; 9th February 2018 at 16:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamstead_joy View Post
    @Gubol123

    I also support your point of view.

    'Isolate Pakistan' policy
    Is it written somewhere in GoI plan of action govt. or structural foreign policy statement?
    I am sorry GoI has not 'declared' or 'officially sanctioned' any such policy.

    I know of anti-Pakistan policy of India for a long time bu they are never declared officially to protesct other interests.
    Uptil 1991/92, Pakistan Television content [dramas] were watched around North India esp. in urban areas, Amritsar, Delhi, Lucknow, Hyderabad, Bombay, etc.. due to local antennas catching PTV transmission on Indian border. Then Indian State and Central Govt. decided to mask signals by employing repelling steel structures on the border. They did it to specifically halt any projection of cultural image of Pakistan, but on paper they gave a totally different excuse.

    GoI has no official written policy on 'isolate Pakistan' or 'decimate Pakistan' or 'don't play Pakistan' if there is please post it here. BCCI had requested permission from Indian Govt. dept. to play with Pakistan what was the 'response'? Was their any reply given?

    I don't watch any Indian cricket so I'm happy with whatever steps India takes.
    Happy for GoI to go on it officially and totally like also push their businesses not to export products to Pakistan and block travel between the 2 countries which give benefit to India, I am with you on this policy.

    As you yourself say media statements are not official statments. BCCI is still being controlled, its treasurer/BJP politician is working despite the Lodha Panel deliberations. Supreme Court could only constitute a CoA of 3 people of which Guha [historian;attacked online by trolls] resigned last year.
    I am sure members of cabinet have spoken about isolating Pakistan diplomatically. they may or may not have passed a resolution in parliament.

    They don't have decimate Pakistan policy . but they do have don't play Pakistan bilaterally policy. again the policy as vocalized by ministers..

    As a cricket fan i would love to see these two nations play. But under current circumstances it is not advisable as it will become more nationalistic and will be politicized to no end (Both countries are going to elections in next 15 months). But if ever the situation becomes even remotely normal you can bet your last cent that the India will tour and they will tour Pakistan and not UAE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gubol123 View Post
    I am sure members of cabinet have spoken about isolating Pakistan diplomatically. they may or may not have passed a resolution in parliament.

    They don't have decimate Pakistan policy . but they do have don't play Pakistan bilaterally policy. again the policy as vocalized by ministers..

    As a cricket fan i would love to see these two nations play. But under current circumstances it is not advisable as it will become more nationalistic and will be politicized to no end (Both countries are going to elections in next 15 months). But if ever the situation becomes even remotely normal you can bet your last cent that the India will tour and they will tour Pakistan and not UAE.
    Situation was very normal and better from 2009-2014, how many tours happened at that time? I can bet more than a dime even if situation improves, gets better till 2030, BCCI will not engage bilaterals with Pakistan. I would be pleased if Indian political factions arm-twist India not to play Pakistan in ICC as well. Also please remain on topic of BCCI, your personal feelings have nothing to with BCCI and if you are defending BCCI it means you share their purpose albeit with any excuses they make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamstead_joy View Post
    Situation was very normal and better from 2009-2014, how many tours happened at that time? I can bet more than a dime even if situation improves, gets better till 2030, BCCI will not engage bilaterals with Pakistan. I would be pleased if Indian political factions arm-twist India not to play Pakistan in ICC as well. Also please remain on topic of BCCI, your personal feelings have nothing to with BCCI and if you are defending BCCI it means you share their purpose albeit with any excuses they make.
    Really, 2009 to 2014 was the worst time period to tour. that time period was right after the SL attack and few years after Bombay attack. Even the Congress govt would've struggled to justify a tour. But India did travel few years before in 2005 or so. Aus and NZ were not touring by that time.

    Regarding defending BCCI, I don't defend BCCI as i have nothing invested in them. My emotional investment is in Indian cricket. If there is no BCCI tomorrow there will be some other institution to take cricket forward. BCCI is semi corrupt/semi professional organization just like every other major sports body anywhere in the world. But it is sill less corrupt and more professional than PCB and several other boards like WICB, SL board, and to some extend SA board.

    Regarding my personal feeling, this is a public forum to discuss cricket as a topic. My opinion and feelings are what i express. you are free to read it, ignore it or glance over it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTip-OneHand View Post
    Mate if you're looking for a moral victory, lets say i agree what BCCI did was wrong, if that makes you happy.

    The issue here is PCB has nothing over BCCI in legal terms apart from just a piece of paper called MoU.

    If you're looking for a public shaming of BCCI, you yourself said that BCCI officials are crooks and snakes and what not. As long as Indian cricket fans are with them, they won't give a rat's behind about what Pakistanis or English or South African think about them. India and its Public's stance is clear when its about Pakistan. That message is quite clear if you observe the posts in this thread by Indians.

    If you think anything is possible as someone mentioned giving out example of BCCI being outvoted in Big3 matter. Well that was because of BCCI's own issues (Read Supreme court's appointed COA, Shanshank Manohar's revenge(kind of)). Do you honestly think any capable president like Anurag Thakur would have let others arm twist BCCI in this manner. Plain and Simple answer is NO. By hook or by crook BCCI gets it done whatever they want.

    Honestly its time to move on for PCB.
    Same old revisionist stuff from you..Some how all Indians justify crooked activities of their fellow countrymen and start blaming Pakistan in return. I have no respect for that. As I said earlier, don't expect PCB to get kicked up it's backside and let BCCI get away with it. BCCI will have to deal with this issue....sooner or later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USofA View Post
    The key here is that the BCCI is getting away with picking and choosing. Nobody is trying to stop them or question them. So, why would the BCCI stop on their own, when they doing what they want?
    How are they doing what they want when they're playing Pakistan in ICC tournaments after opposing to play them else where? That's the point here...BCCI doesn't really do what it wants and only plays Pakistan when it's share of money is on the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshakir411 View Post
    How are they doing what they want when they're playing Pakistan in ICC tournaments after opposing to play them else where? That's the point here...BCCI doesn't really do what it wants and only plays Pakistan when it's share of money is on the line.
    More than share of money its the trophy that is on the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    More than share of money its the trophy that is on the line.
    Well according to Joshilla and others if India pulls out of the tournament ICC will come begging back. BCCI can just go down that route and not play Pakistan. The fact is that India plays Pakistan when it benefits them only..because how do you explain playing Pakistan is allowed by GoI in ICC events but not anywhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshakir411 View Post
    Well according to Joshilla and others if India pulls out of the tournament ICC will come begging back. BCCI can just go down that route and not play Pakistan. The fact is that India plays Pakistan when it benefits them only..because how do you explain playing Pakistan is allowed by GoI in ICC events but not anywhere else.
    I think GoI is trying to hurt Pakistan financially more than anything else. India playing Pakistan in ICC events doesnt benefits Pakistan financially, plus there is also Icc trophy on the line. On the other hand bilateral series will bring in revenue to PCB which is what GoI is against it.

    Tbh, Pcb should somehow tap in to its own market and try to copy what BCCI did in 90s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    I think GoI is trying to hurt Pakistan financially more than anything else. India playing Pakistan in ICC events doesnt benefits Pakistan financially, plus there is also Icc trophy on the line. On the other hand bilateral series will bring in revenue to PCB which is what GoI is against it.

    Tbh, Pcb should somehow tap in to its own market and try to copy what BCCI did in 90s.
    So basically you accept that India is trying to hurt Pakistan as a country. That's the main point. Indians act like they are some kind of angels and the issues between the countries are all Pakistan's fault despite stabbing us in our back repeatedly.

    Why should be try to be friends with a country like this? In fact, I think we shouldn't want to play with them either ways. Despite all this crap people spout, politics and sport have always been intrinsically linked. Go all the way back to the 1936 Olympics and the Nazi's, USSR and their obsession with gymnastics, and China's rise as a country tied to their improvement in sport with 2008 as the showpiece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TikkiTaka View Post
    So basically you accept that India is trying to hurt Pakistan as a country. That's the main point. Indians act like they are some kind of angels and the issues between the countries are all Pakistan's fault despite stabbing us in our back repeatedly.

    Why should be try to be friends with a country like this? In fact, I think we shouldn't want to play with them either ways. Despite all this crap people spout, politics and sport have always been intrinsically linked. Go all the way back to the 1936 Olympics and the Nazi's, USSR and their obsession with gymnastics, and China's rise as a country tied to their improvement in sport with 2008 as the showpiece.
    You must be naive if you think India would wanna benefit Pakistan financially. Both countries are sworn enemies and will go any lengths to hurt each other. Pcb did this in 90s when they were financially strong and had champion team, now roles have been reversed.

    Like I said, Pcb should work to find ways to be self reliant and continue to improve.

    Im not sure where you getting the idea of Indian govt trying to be friends with Pakistan. In todays world more than in battlefield, its the economic war that is causing more harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    You must be naive if you think India would wanna benefit Pakistan financially. Both countries are sworn enemies and will go any lengths to hurt each other. Pcb did this in 90s when they were financially strong and had champion team, now roles have been reversed.

    Like I said, Pcb should work to find ways to be self reliant and continue to improve.

    Im not sure where you getting the idea of Indian govt trying to be friends with Pakistan. In todays world more than in battlefield, its the economic war that is causing more harm.
    Well I'm glad you accepted it that's all. Just calling out the hypocrisy of Indians who justify the acts of their govt and act like all problems only like with Pak.

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    PCB should forget about the MOU issue as Pakistan cricket has already proven beyond all doubt that money isn’t everything in sport.

    It is no big secret that GOI prevent BCCI from playing bilateral series with Pakistan due to political tensions (though they do play each other in other sports mind you!). I mean every man and his pet goldfish knows that Pakistan vs. India series is the biggest money earner – BCCI with their greed - would never turn down the opportunity to earn coin. Then again GOI think depriving PCB/Pakistani players from earning money will make a difference! It has not, it will not.

    As for why India plays Pakistan in ICC tournaments, well the answer is simple. If GOI extend their influence on ICC tournaments then it simply means India must refuse to play Pakistan and as a result, India will forfeit the game and points will be awarded to Pakistan. There is no way GOI will allow Pakistan to take advantage over India like this because it makes BCCI/India look weak and pathetic at the global stage, especially if it turns out India get knocked out of a tournament due to points! India losing to Pakistan is one thing, but India losing to Pakistan without lifting bat/ball is quite another.

    Hence the Test Championship is going to be very interesting. Do India forfeit matches and award Pakistan points at the expense of GOI's stance and feeble pride? It would do wonders for the already widening W/L ratio in Pakistan's favour anyway!

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