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    Quote Originally Posted by OoparCut View Post
    Normally that's what I'd expect. But the manner and context in which the committee has been created, and the 'special' rules in place, make me suspect that a backroom deal is in place. A 3 man committee, with 1 representative each from India & Pakistan, and consensus not required, basically boils it down to a one man committee.

    In what world do administrative organizations set up dispute resolution mechanisms where the decisions of effectively one man are final, with no recourse to appeal? Why resort to such an abnormal setup? To give the facade of 'process' to a decision that is already been made. Its a clear "cover your ***" and PR tactic. So if you review about the decision makers, i.e. the Giles Clarke faction, who created the committee in the first place, then you will know what outcome that particular faction within the ICC would prefer to come out of the "dispute resolution". After all, why is there no committee to examine the failure of England to tour Zimbabwe for the last 14 years?

    Question is, what are the options for the BCCI if the 'verdict' is, as expected, not in its favor. Will they resort to the nuclear option? If they do, they would strengthen the argument of Giles Clarke and co. that the BCCI is the 'bad guy' with too much power, and the rest of the boards need to ally together against it.

    The BCCI needs to really get its act together in its interaction with the ICC, to counter these power games. But they are a headless organization right now, busy fighting with the Lodha Committee over its future structure.

    Like I said earlier, interesting times ahead.

    Problem for PCB is that, even if it does get a favorable ruling here, maximum benefit it will get is a fixed amount of $$, but it will guarantee hostile relations with the golden goose of cricket for an extended period of time. If you think about it objectively, that's not really in the best interests of Pakistan cricket.
    Well written.

    I really do hope BCCI "loses" this case. That will force it to do something dramatic, which is what the world of cricket needs. For too long has the rest of world made money off Indian cricket market. It's time to strengthen the club-based model (like IPL) and break the hegemony of international cricket which is played for 10 months out of 12 each year.

    Cricket needs to move towards a soccer-like model, which is predominantly club-based with the world cup played once every 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OoparCut View Post
    Normally that's what I'd expect. But the manner and context in which the committee has been created, and the 'special' rules in place, make me suspect that a backroom deal is in place. A 3 man committee, with 1 representative each from India & Pakistan, and consensus not required, basically boils it down to a one man committee.

    In what world do administrative organizations set up dispute resolution mechanisms where the decisions of effectively one man are final, with no recourse to appeal? Why resort to such an abnormal setup? To give the facade of 'process' to a decision that is already been made. Its a clear "cover your ***" and PR tactic. So if you review about the decision makers, i.e. the Giles Clarke faction, who created the committee in the first place, then you will know what outcome that particular faction within the ICC would prefer to come out of the "dispute resolution". After all, why is there no committee to examine the failure of England to tour Zimbabwe for the last 14 years?

    Question is, what are the options for the BCCI if the 'verdict' is, as expected, not in its favor. Will they resort to the nuclear option? If they do, they would strengthen the argument of Giles Clarke and co. that the BCCI is the 'bad guy' with too much power, and the rest of the boards need to ally together against it.

    The BCCI needs to really get its act together in its interaction with the ICC, to counter these power games. But they are a headless organization right now, busy fighting with the Lodha Committee over its future structure.

    Like I said earlier, interesting times ahead.

    Problem for PCB is that, even if it does get a favorable ruling here, maximum benefit it will get is a fixed amount of $$, but it will guarantee hostile relations with the golden goose of cricket for an extended period of time. If you think about it objectively, that's not really in the best interests of Pakistan cricket.
    Pcb will lose anyway. They win the money they dont know if bcci will pay up. What will they do if bcci dont? Deduct money from bcci's share? Are they authorised to do so? How will GOI react to ICC poking its nose in Indo Pak matter? What if bcci withdraws from icc's next tournament? ICC have poked its nose where even super powers dread to tread.

    One thing is sure pcb wont see a india tour for a long time.
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    "Ek phooti kodi nahi milegi inhe" and that is for sure.

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    But but icc and bcci make money because if Pakistan and pc. So why is Pcb still behind this money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Lets be absolutely clear about this.

    ICC cannot force India to do the right thing, which is pay PCB compensation money for refusal to play them. The reason for that is that BCCI has a severe financial overpowerment upon the ICC. It's all about money. ICC would rather not lose its own money trying to get PCB its deserved money by upsetting BCCI.

    Money talks, not ethics
    For one sec, let's say BCCI is morally obligated to honor their commitment because of the MOU. But that MOU was signed because PCB supported the big 3 arrangement. Later on, PCB was very vocal in opposing the big 3 and helped disband the big 3.

    Now how is BCCI obligated anymore?

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    Please, please Giles Clarke. Please give a ruling in favour of PCB. The aftermath would be extremely interesting and unexpected. Lots of things will change irreversibly after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navin View Post
    "Ek phooti kodi nahi milegi inhe" and that is for sure.
    Phooti kaudi is a small matter. Far too many things will happen on which ICC and PCB will have no control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    For one sec, let's say BCCI is morally obligated to honor their commitment because of the MOU. But that MOU was signed because PCB supported the big 3 arrangement. Later on, PCB was very vocal in opposing the big 3 and helped disband the big 3.

    Now how is BCCI obligated anymore?
    excuses


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    excuses
    No man. I really really want a Pak vs Ind series. So much fun!. It's about logic here. How is BCCI obligated when the original conditions under which the MOU was signed are non existent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    No man. I really really want a Pak vs Ind series. So much fun!. It's about logic here. How is BCCI obligated when the original conditions under which the MOU was signed are non existent.
    Tell me, what kind of clause is...

    "You must be a cheerleader for the big 3 if you want bi-lateral series"

    Did the ECB and ACB also object to Pakistan not supporting this model?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Tell me, what kind of clause is...

    "You must be a cheerleader for the big 3 if you want bi-lateral series"

    Did the ECB and ACB also object to Pakistan not supporting this model?
    Why hasn't England toured Zimbabwe in 15 years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OoparCut View Post
    Why hasn't England toured Zimbabwe in 15 years?
    I dont know, England wouldnt tour England if they felt their lives were at risk.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Tell me, what kind of clause is...

    "You must be a cheerleader for the big 3 if you want bi-lateral series"

    Did the ECB and ACB also object to Pakistan not supporting this model?
    ECB and ACB are side shows. They are getting similar to what they would have got under Big 3 anyway.
    SO, they won't object.

    The MOU was dependent on BCCI getting 580 mil and PCB was promised a bunch of series which would have benefitted PCB to the tune of 180 to 200 mil atleast. The previous tv rights were 150 mil from 2015 to 2020 with 90 mil subject to Pakistan hosting India. I'm sure the next tv rights will have a similar clause with even bigger amount at risk. With this lawsuit, it appears PCB has alienated its biggest revenue source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    ECB and ACB are side shows. They are getting similar to what they would have got under Big 3 anyway.
    SO, they won't object.

    The MOU was dependent on BCCI getting 580 mil and PCB was promised a bunch of series which would have benefitted PCB to the tune of 180 to 200 mil atleast. The previous tv rights were 150 mil from 2015 to 2020 with 90 mil subject to Pakistan hosting India. I'm sure the next tv rights will have a similar clause with even bigger amount at risk. With this lawsuit, it appears PCB has alienated its biggest revenue source.
    Yes, you have summarised the issue nicely. Left to its own devices, PCB gets S 17 millions per year as media rights ( $ 12 millions per year from international cricket and $ 5 millions per year from PSL) and that is all PCB can earn in a year from its cricketers. BCCI on the other hand earns $ 700 millions per year from its international cricket and IPL. Do the math. Annual media rights of PCB are just 3 % of the annual media rights of BCCI.

    So the big money that ICC gets and also PCB gets from ICC are being generated in India and then handed over to Pakistan. Pakistan gets $ 132 millions per year from ICC per year while it contributes far less to ICC's kitty as can be gauged from the size of their media rights. So the least that PCB could have done was to not alienate BCCI. Forget BCCI, they have ended up alienating Indian cricket fans as well and a good number of then are against any bilateral matches with Pakistan. Right now PCB is trying to act like a leech out to suck the blood of the golden goose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by squarecut View Post
    Yes, you have summarised the issue nicely. Left to its own devices, PCB gets S 17 millions per year as media rights ( $ 12 millions per year from international cricket and $ 5 millions per year from PSL) and that is all PCB can earn in a year from its cricketers. BCCI on the other hand earns $ 700 millions per year from its international cricket and IPL. Do the math. Annual media rights of PCB are just 3 % of the annual media rights of BCCI.

    So the big money that ICC gets and also PCB gets from ICC are being generated in India and then handed over to Pakistan. Pakistan gets $ 132 millions per year from ICC per year while it contributes far less to ICC's kitty as can be gauged from the size of their media rights. So the least that PCB could have done was to not alienate BCCI. Forget BCCI, they have ended up alienating Indian cricket fans as well and a good number of then are against any bilateral matches with Pakistan. Right now PCB is trying to act like a leech out to suck the blood of the golden goose.
    Pakistan gets 128 mil from ICC over a period of 8 years. It's not 128 mil per year. That's 16 mil a year. Anyway, I believe PCB has already given up on future games and is just trying to get the 70 mil as a last ditch effort. Seems short sighted to me.

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    It is common sense that one should treat one's biggest source of earning with respect. But this common sense seems to have escaped PCB.

    Sri Lanka cricket board realise it. No wonder they get to host BCCI every few months and that helps them earn good money thanks to these matches. For instance, Sri Lanka Board earned some $ 6.5 millions for two weeks work in hosting Nidahas Trophy recently.

    Abusing and taunting BCCI and hoping that BCCI will be shamed into surrendering to PCB "pressure" can only be counterproductive for PCB in general and Pakistani cricket watching public in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Pakistan gets 128 mil from ICC over a period of 8 years. It's not 128 mil per year. That's 16 mil a year. Anyway, I believe PCB has already given up on future games and is just trying to get the 70 mil as a last ditch effort. Seems short sighted to me.
    Extremely short sighted. In past also govt didnt allow tours but PCB and BCCI maintained good relations. But since Ejaz Butt's time PCB has a confrontational attitude towards BCCI.

    If they lose the cass in ICC they will not get a dime and bcci may not play even after govt clearance just to settle scores.

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    God knows when these 2 boards will come to an agreement. Tired of this 24/7 drama. Just play some damn cricket with each other. Players make money, boards make money, and most of all, fans become happy. It's a win, win, win scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssassinatedDevil View Post
    God knows when these 2 boards will come to an agreement. Tired of this 24/7 drama. Just play some damn cricket with each other. Players make money, boards make money, and most of all, fans become happy. It's a win, win, win scenario.
    Agree Agree Agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by AssassinatedDevil View Post
    God knows when these 2 boards will come to an agreement. Tired of this 24/7 drama. Just play some damn cricket with each other. Players make money, boards make money, and most of all, fans become happy. It's a win, win, win scenario.
    Lol tbh the only time I read stuff about this is when I come on here. Even on cricinfo and cricbuzz you can hardly see any coverage of this.

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    I love the arrogance of some people here......Cant they not see how BCCI feel they can bully everyone else as they are the biggest money earner.

    People are saying that PCB should not rock the boat and try and stay on the good side of BCCI, what good side? They have refused to play pakistan for so many years now that they are in no mood to play PCB in the near future so why shouldnt PCB stand up for itself.........Should they lie low on the brick road and say c'monsteam roll me, im not doign anything, and those talking about detoriating relations between the two can it honestly gt any worse? its not about the money its about the principle of the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princeuk View Post
    I love the arrogance of some people here......Cant they not see how BCCI feel they can bully everyone else as they are the biggest money earner.

    People are saying that PCB should not rock the boat and try and stay on the good side of BCCI, what good side? They have refused to play pakistan for so many years now that they are in no mood to play PCB in the near future so why shouldnt PCB stand up for itself.........Should they lie low on the brick road and say c'monsteam roll me, im not doign anything, and those talking about detoriating relations between the two can it honestly gt any worse? its not about the money its about the principle of the matter.
    It is about the money first. And a good chunk/% of the PCB's tv deal. I am not so sure about it being the principle. That word and PCB do not go together. For that matter does not go together with any of the boards.

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    It is all about money for PCB. They are losing on money to the tune of $ 60 millions in media sponsorship money just because BCCI is unwilling to play them in bilateral series.

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    It is $ 90 millions loss in fact.

    I have never come across a clause like this in any other cricket board's media rights that stipulated that media rights value would jump by 60 % if Indian team plays in bilateral series. This shows how much PCB are dependent on India for their cricket revenue. Principles !

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    Quote Originally Posted by squarecut View Post
    It is $ 90 millions loss in fact.

    I have never come across a clause like this in any other cricket board's media rights that stipulated that media rights value would jump by 60 % if Indian team plays in bilateral series. This shows how much PCB are dependent on India for their cricket revenue. Principles !
    That is a valid point and an interesting one. Not sure how many other boards have made tv deals based on tours from one single country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cricfan4eva View Post
    Lol tbh the only time I read stuff about this is when I come on here. Even on cricinfo and cricbuzz you can hardly see any coverage of this.
    BCCI has moved on for Good, but PCB is stilll nagging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USofA View Post
    That is a valid point and an interesting one. Not sure how many other boards have made tv deals based on tours from one single country.
    I guess SA made lots of money due to Indian team

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    PCB should demand £100 Million minimum in lost revenue.

    If you don’t want to play that you signed up for that’s fine, just pay up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90MPH View Post
    PCB should demand £100 Million minimum in lost revenue.

    If you don’t want to play that you signed up for that’s fine, just pay up.
    This is exactly what the PCB is doing and the ICC will deduct the amounts from the annual amounts they give to the BCCI and transfer it to the PCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    This is exactly what the PCB is doing and the ICC will deduct the amounts from the annual amounts they give to the BCCI and transfer it to the PCB.
    ICC told you this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    ICC told you this?
    LOL. There is wishful thinking and then there is a delusional rant. The line seems to be getting narrower day by day

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    If PCB wins this, there is no way BCCI will pay a single dollar. I think there will an agreement to play a 3 match T20 series in UAE with Pakistan hosting it. I still think India is going to win this because
    1) MOU without a contract is worthless
    2) BCCI is hiding behind GOI

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    If PCB wins this, there is no way BCCI will pay a single dollar. I think there will an agreement to play a 3 match T20 series in UAE with Pakistan hosting it. I still think India is going to win this because
    1) MOU without a contract is worthless
    2) BCCI is hiding behind GOI
    Thing is if PCB wins, there is a unknown factor in play called GOI. How will GOI react? Because ICC is setting a precedence of penalising BCCI for not playing Pakistan. Now Bcci isnt playing because its govt policy. So ICC may be indirectly challenging the policy. How will the GOI take it is the big question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    If PCB wins this, there is no way BCCI will pay a single dollar. I think there will an agreement to play a 3 match T20 series in UAE with Pakistan hosting it. I still think India is going to win this because
    1) MOU without a contract is worthless
    2) BCCI is hiding behind GOI
    It will be a huge moral victory for PCB

    BCCI will ge humiliated in-front of the whole world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    This is exactly what the PCB is doing and the ICC will deduct the amounts from the annual amounts they give to the BCCI and transfer it to the PCB.
    This is what i don't realize. Why isn't ICC penalizing BCCI for failing to keep their end of the bargain. This can be easily dealt with if ICC shows a bit sincerity in this case. As u rightly said ICC can just take a percentage of India's annual share and give it to PCB as a compensation benefit. Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    It will be a huge moral victory for PCB

    BCCI will ge humiliated in-front of the whole world.
    That's the big misunderstanding right there. BCCI will never get humiliated. They just made 3.5 bil USD for 5 years. That's just TV rights and doesn't include any sponsorships and additional revenue including ICC handouts. They are fat and rich. If they get hurt, they will hurt others in some other way. They have the clout and cunning to do anything. Remember, it's PCB that needs this series and not the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    This is what i don't realize. Why isn't ICC penalizing BCCI for failing to keep their end of the bargain. This can be easily dealt with if ICC shows a bit sincerity in this case. As u rightly said ICC can just take a percentage of India's annual share and give it to PCB as a compensation benefit. Problem solved.
    That's immaturity. If ICC touches a single penny out of BCCI's cut, BCCI will stop sending teams to ICC events. Then there is no revenue for ICC to support all the teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90MPH View Post
    PCB should demand £100 Million minimum in lost revenue.

    If you don’t want to play that you signed up for that’s fine, just pay up.
    There is a clause in that same MOU which says "subject to clearance from GOI". How difficult is it for you guys to understand this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Thing is if PCB wins, there is a unknown factor in play called GOI. How will GOI react? Because ICC is setting a precedence of penalising BCCI for not playing Pakistan. Now Bcci isnt playing because its govt policy. So ICC may be indirectly challenging the policy. How will the GOI take it is the big question.
    I'm still bewildered that there is a committee for this. COnsidering it is not a contract and ICC typically doesn't involve in government policies. The only reason I can think of is Giles Clarke and Manohar have called BCCI's bluff here. They want to see how strong the GOI policy is if BCCI stands to lose millions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    That's immaturity. If ICC touches a single penny out of BCCI's cut, BCCI will stop sending teams to ICC events. Then there is no revenue for ICC to support all the teams.
    Indian public will beat BCCI like a drum If it dares to do something remotely similar to that. I know BCCI gave similar threat in the past and ICC bent over backwards to please BCCI out of fear.

    But the current ICC president is different. He knows BCCI from inside out and won't fall for their bluff.

    Dont belive me? Look at Asia cup. PCB didn't wanna play it in India and BCCI swiftly shifted it to UAE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RainMan_ View Post
    Indian public will beat BCCI like a drum If it dares to do something remotely similar to that. I know BCCI gave similar threat in the past and ICC bent over backwards to please BCCI out of fear.

    But the current ICC president is different. He knows BCCI from inside out and won't fall for their bluff.

    Dont belive me? Look at Asia cup. PCB didn't wanna play it in India and BCCI swiftly shifted it to UAE.
    Another incorrect perception. Indian public had no issues with BCCI not sending the team info before CT on time. They are with BCCI and think they deserve the lion's share. Manohar, at the end of the day gave 405 mil to BCCI instead of 280 and that too despite BCCI being weakened by their own SC and despite asking them to take 280 or leave it.

    As far as Asia cup goes, BCCI wants to keep up the rhetoric of " We are willing to play Pakistan as long as GOI approves". GOI approves playing Pak in ICC or ACC tournaments. BCCI is not going to make any money despite hosting in UAE because the ACC distributes the revenues to all the teams.

    The only team that makes more money than ICC can call the shots if they want to

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    Supreme Court of India, which is running BCCI at present can decide to run ICC as well if they so wish, if they feel that ICC is taking undue advantage of BCCI. ICC has no jurisdiction over GOI policy, but Indian supreme court knows that they can have jurisdiction over ICC. All they have to do is to prevent media houses from transferring any money from India to ICC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 90MPH View Post
    PCB should demand £100 Million minimum in lost revenue.

    If you don’t want to play that you signed up for that’s fine, just pay up.
    You are right. But if all the conditions aren't met in an agreement, the obligation is disputable which has happened in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    That's immaturity. If ICC touches a single penny out of BCCI's cut, BCCI will stop sending teams to ICC events. Then there is no revenue for ICC to support all the teams.
    Oh really, is that why you end up sending your team to the CT after threatning to pull out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    That's the big misunderstanding right there. BCCI will never get humiliated. They just made 3.5 bil USD for 5 years. That's just TV rights and doesn't include any sponsorships and additional revenue including ICC handouts. They are fat and rich. If they get hurt, they will hurt others in some other way. They have the clout and cunning to do anything. Remember, it's PCB that needs this series and not the other way around.
    Dont let yourself fool into thinking that PCB needs this series. Pakistan cricket has been doing quite well and when was the last time we played a series with India? It has been more than a decade now.

    PCB doesnt need to give a single crap about how much BCCI makes as it doesnt affects its cashflows in any way.

    What PCB is doing is to try to get back their fair share of money which BCCI promised in exchange for the Big 3 vote.

    Otherwise, couldnt care less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Dont let yourself fool into thinking that PCB needs this series. Pakistan cricket has been doing quite well and when was the last time we played a series with India? It has been more than a decade now.

    PCB doesnt need to give a single crap about how much BCCI makes as it doesnt affects its cashflows in any way.

    What PCB is doing is to try to get back their fair share of money which BCCI promised in exchange for the Big 3 vote.

    Otherwise, couldnt care less.
    PCB needs the series as 60% of pcbs tv rights revenue depend on a india tours.

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    I think what Indian posters need to understand is, yes, the BCCI makes plenty of money but it also has the largest population to provide services to as well.

    PCB will NEVER earn as much (unless the economic situation in Pakistan drastically improves and all of sudden Pakistanis have a much higher purchasing power then there fellow Indians) as the BCCI does, and to be honest it doesn't need too. We don't have to cater to such a huge population.

    Ideally, the PCB should be earning around $500 million-$1B for a 5 year period and if the situation improves we could get there. Pakistan is improving economically and the safety situation is becoming more and more stable.

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    Indian posters worshipping and idolizing BCCI, their money, power etc. as if it will benefit them (personally) in some way lol

    BCCI members are getting richer and doing all they can to keep their blackmails etc. ongoing but I was really surprised ICC had them take Asia cup out of India; this means the tide has turned just a bit, same as the CT pull out threat.

    May long this continue and keeps giving heartaches to the official and unofficial (non paid) spokemen for BCCI, whomever they are!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Dont let yourself fool into thinking that PCB needs this series. Pakistan cricket has been doing quite well and when was the last time we played a series with India? It has been more than a decade now.

    PCB doesnt need to give a single crap about how much BCCI makes as it doesnt affects its cashflows in any way.

    What PCB is doing is to try to get back their fair share of money which BCCI promised in exchange for the Big 3 vote.

    Otherwise, couldnt care less.
    there are numbers for a reason. PCB made a loss of 11 mil last year. They have a bigger deficit budget for this year than last year with the revenues not catching up. 5 year tv rights are for 150 mil and out of that 90 mil rides on a home series with India. PCB desperately needs this money. To put that into prespective, the title sponsorship for IPL is 330 million for 5 years. If India doesn't play Pak, Pak's rights are worth 60 mil. Just the IPL title sponsorship is worth 5 times more than PCB tv rights. Now tell me who needs this series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 View Post
    I think what Indian posters need to understand is, yes, the BCCI makes plenty of money but it also has the largest population to provide services to as well.

    PCB will NEVER earn as much (unless the economic situation in Pakistan drastically improves and all of sudden Pakistanis have a much higher purchasing power then there fellow Indians) as the BCCI does, and to be honest it doesn't need too. We don't have to cater to such a huge population.

    Ideally, the PCB should be earning around $500 million-$1B for a 5 year period and if the situation improves we could get there. Pakistan is improving economically and the safety situation is becoming more and more stable.
    Only 2 countries have ever signed a billion dollar deal Bcci and ecb.

    CA's deal is worth 900 plus million in usd.

    PCB's tv deal till 2020 is worth 150mn. Out of which 60% is contingent on India touring. Since india isnt touring i doubt they would get a better deal in 2020.

    So 500mn over 5 years is far far away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monsee View Post
    Indian posters worshipping and idolizing BCCI, their money, power etc. as if it will benefit them (personally) in some way lol

    BCCI members are getting richer and doing all they can to keep their blackmails etc. ongoing but I was really surprised ICC had them take Asia cup out of India; this means the tide has turned just a bit, same as the CT pull out threat.

    May long this continue and keeps giving heartaches to the official and unofficial (non paid) spokemen for BCCI, whomever they are!
    Icc doesnot run Asia cup. Acc does.

    Indian govt didnot give bcci permission to host the asia cup in India as they didnot want pakistan team in India.

    CT threat didnot work? You mean Bcci's share raised from 280mn to 405mn didnot happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Only 2 countries have ever signed a billion dollar deal Bcci and ecb.

    CA's deal is worth 900 plus million in usd.

    PCB's tv deal till 2020 is worth 150mn. Out of which 60% is contingent on India touring. Since india isnt touring i doubt they would get a better deal in 2020.

    So 500mn over 5 years is far far away.
    I never said it was easy to do, but I'm sick and tired of people claiming over and over again that the PCB needs the BCCI to survive.

    PCB can easily get a $500M-$1B TV deal for 5 years, with the PSL involved and if we focus on improving our marketing. Pakistan has a population of over 210-220 Million people..that is a huge market. If anything, the PCB can learn from the BCCI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 View Post
    I never said it was easy to do, but I'm sick and tired of people claiming over and over again that the PCB needs the BCCI to survive.

    PCB can easily get a $500M-$1B TV deal for 5 years, with the PSL involved and if we focus on improving our marketing. Pakistan has a population of over 210-220 Million people..that is a huge market. If anything, the PCB can learn from the BCCI.
    Easily get 500 mil to 1 bil? One needs to have a huge per capita like AUS or ENG or a huge middle class like India to pull that kind of amount. Just population numbers are not enough. The purchasing power of that population dictates the tv rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 View Post
    I never said it was easy to do, but I'm sick and tired of people claiming over and over again that the PCB needs the BCCI to survive.

    PCB can easily get a $500M-$1B TV deal for 5 years, with the PSL involved and if we focus on improving our marketing. Pakistan has a population of over 210-220 Million people..that is a huge market. If anything, the PCB can learn from the BCCI.
    As i said only 2 countries have ever signed deals in 1bn range. And they have a economy of 2.5tn plus. Pakistans economy is 280bn.

    Populatiom doesnot mean money you have to have the economy.Also with the largest cricket market in the world being luke warm to Pakistan cricket getting a deal of 500mn is near impossible ask no matter how much you market.

    Realistically pcb can look at a 150mn-200mn tv deal with PSL and no India tour contingency. Thats a generous figure considering the last tv rights deal was 60mn without India.

    Pcb may not need the bcci to survive. But they need it to flourish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    PCB needs the series as 60% of pcbs tv rights revenue depend on a india tours.
    Whoever negotiated these rights was an utter buffon. PCB should look towards reevaluating those rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    But there are numbers for a reason. PCB made a loss of 11 mil last year. They have a bigger deficit budget for this year than last year with the revenues not catching up. 5 year tv rights are for 150 mil and out of that 90 mil rides on a home series with India. PCB desperately needs this money. To put that into prespective, the title sponsorship for IPL is 330 million for 5 years. If India doesn't play Pak, Pak's rights are worth 60 mil. Just the IPL title sponsorship is worth 5 times more than PCB tv rights. Now tell me who needs this series.

    I am telling you a simple thing, whatever PCB cashflows have been in the past decade, they have been not affected by BCCI as we havent played them. PCB management pre Najam have also been quite incompetent in all honesty.

    PCB made the blunder in terms of TV rights which they are trying to recoup and God willing they would. I am sure that when it will come to the next renewal they will make a much better deal as we wont have the lying, backstabbing BCCI making false promises to PCB.

    Pakistan cricket's position has improved vastly with improving economic and security. Dont think now sports channel can hold PCB hostage over an India series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post

    CT threat didnot work? You mean Bcci's share raised from 280mn to 405mn didnot happen?
    Lets not kindly indulge in history revisionism with a saffron tint. The offer for 405 mn was on the table before the threats even began. The BCCI wanted a bigger chunk than 405mn which they failed to achieve. Trying to paint it as some BCCI victory is propaganda of highest order if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Lets not kindly indulge in history revisionism with a saffron tint. The offer for 405 mn was on the table before the threats even began. The BCCI wanted a bigger chunk than 405mn which they failed to achieve. Trying to paint it as some BCCI victory is propaganda of highest order if anything.
    The revised offer was 280 mil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 View Post
    I never said it was easy to do, but I'm sick and tired of people claiming over and over again that the PCB needs the BCCI to survive.

    PCB can easily get a $500M-$1B TV deal for 5 years, with the PSL involved and if we focus on improving our marketing. Pakistan has a population of over 210-220 Million people..that is a huge market. If anything, the PCB can learn from the BCCI.
    Our population is 25% of Indian population. Any deal around 400mn to 500mn is solid for PCB. We wont reach 1 billion unless our economy shows massive improvement in a small amount of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    The revised offer was 280 mil.
    Wrong.

    BCCI was getting 570 million when they were part of the Big 3.

    "ICC independent chairman Shashank Manohar had initially offered a compromise formula of an additional 100 million dollars, which would have pushed the BCCI`s share to almost 400 million dollars.

    However, BCCI had rejected this with a counter-offer under which it would still get its 570 million dollars but no other full member`s share would be reduced. "

    Read more at:
    //economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/59271513.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst


    Say no to revisionism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Whoever negotiated these rights was an utter buffon. PCB should look towards reevaluating those rights.




    If any one is blinded with jingoism, its you. I am telling you a simple thing, whatever PCB cashflows have been in the past decade, they have been not affected by BCCI as we havent played them. PCB management pre Najam have also been quite incompetent in all honesty.

    PCB made the blunder in terms of TV rights which they are trying to recoup and God willing they would. I am sure that when it will come to the next renewal they will make a much better deal as we wont have the lying, backstabbing BCCI making false promises to PCB.

    Pakistan cricket's position has improved vastly with improving economic and security. Dont think now sports channel can hold PCB hostage over an India series.
    How am I jingoistic when I'm giving you cold hard numbers? Again, for the umpteenth time, PCBs coffers have been affected for not hosting india. 90 mil of the tv rights are at stake. That is the reason for the lawsuit which has no basis because Big 3 doesn't exist anymore.

    The reason why broadcasters are willing to pay so much money for India vs Pak series is because of Indian spectators. Just a couple of Ind vs Pak series is worth more to broadcasters than what Pakistan does with every other team over 5 years. That's what the tv rights indicate too. 60 mil for Pak hosting any country for 5 years. 90 mil for a couple of Ind vs Pak series. Why? When Pakistan hosts India, the broadcasters can sell ads for a very high premium to Indian companies that want to reach Indian middle class. Which part of this can't u comprehend? Anyway, made my point and multiple times too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Our population is 25% of Indian population. Any deal around 400mn to 500mn is solid for PCB. We wont reach 1 billion unless our economy shows massive improvement in a small amount of time.
    Again wrong way to look at things. Just population doesn't matter. India has more middle class than the entire population of Pakistan. As per Dawn, Pakistan's middle class is 25 percent of their population. The rate of people moving into middle class is much higher in India and projections are for 600 people in middle class in India by 2025. The tv rights are based on these projections. They are also based on the interest in this middle class. For example India vs Australia or India vs England or India vs SA will still garner a lot of eyeballs. For Pakistani public, there is only one big ticket item and that is a series with India along with any ICC tournaments. And that shows in the projections and the way the rights are sold currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Dont let yourself fool into thinking that PCB needs this series. Pakistan cricket has been doing quite well and when was the last time we played a series with India? It has been more than a decade now.

    PCB doesnt need to give a single crap about how much BCCI makes as it doesnt affects its cashflows in any way.

    What PCB is doing is to try to get back their fair share of money which BCCI promised in exchange for the Big 3 vote.

    Otherwise, couldnt care less.
    How much money PCB gives to domestic players?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Lets not kindly indulge in history revisionism with a saffron tint. The offer for 405 mn was on the table before the threats even began. The BCCI wanted a bigger chunk than 405mn which they failed to achieve. Trying to paint it as some BCCI victory is propaganda of highest order if anything.
    No. They offer was 280mn. It was then raised by 100mn then to 293mn and finally at 405mn. Please go through the sequence of events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Wrong.

    BCCI was getting 570 million when they were part of the Big 3.

    "ICC independent chairman Shashank Manohar had initially offered a compromise formula of an additional 100 million dollars, which would have pushed the BCCI`s share to almost 400 million dollars.

    However, BCCI had rejected this with a counter-offer under which it would still get its 570 million dollars but no other full member`s share would be reduced. "

    Read more at:
    //economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/59271513.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst


    Say no to revisionism.
    https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricket...kWR2M_amp.html


    293mn then 390mn then 405mn.

    So bcci was able to negotiate 112mn more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Our population is 25% of Indian population. Any deal around 400mn to 500mn is solid for PCB. We wont reach 1 billion unless our economy shows massive improvement in a small amount of time.
    400-500mn from 150mn will mean that pcb rights have to appreciate 3 times in its value. That will be a IPL level appreciation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    400-500mn from 150mn will mean that pcb rights have to appreciate 3 times in its value. That will be a IPL level appreciation.
    May be they are hoping few Chinese players involved in PSL brings huge Chinese market into play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    As i said only 2 countries have ever signed deals in 1bn range. And they have a economy of 2.5tn plus. Pakistans economy is 280bn.

    Populatiom doesnot mean money you have to have the economy.Also with the largest cricket market in the world being luke warm to Pakistan cricket getting a deal of 500mn is near impossible ask no matter how much you market.

    Realistically pcb can look at a 150mn-200mn tv deal with PSL and no India tour contingency. Thats a generous figure considering the last tv rights deal was 60mn without India.

    Pcb may not need the bcci to survive. But they need it to flourish.
    I never said the population means anything, but it does help when you have numbers like that and majority of them are cricket crazy. Ad sponsors want to see this, more people watching means more ads being watched.

    Total GDP means nothing when your per capita is much lower than the UKs. Can't equate India's $2.5tn economy to the UKs. India's population plays a big part in cricket deals and even economy. Australia got a big TV deal and they don't have a $2.5tn economy either but have the purchasing power.

    Pakistan and India have a close per capita income, not drastically different, $1,468 vs $1,709 in 2016.

    If the PCB can make learn from the BCCI and make itself a more professional board I don't see why it can't get a deal worth $500M-$1B for 5 years. PCB needs to market the PSL better, bringing it back to Pakistan and renovating stadiums (bring them up to international standards) people will come and just like the IPL is for India, I think the PSL can be for Pakistan.

    IPL TV rights were sold for $2.55B, I don't see why the PCB if they bring the league home and everything goes according to plan in terms of safety, I don't see why the PSL alone can't have a TV deal worth around $300-500M.

    Also, I'm saying within that range, doesn't have to be a $1B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 View Post
    I never said the population means anything, but it does help when you have numbers like that and majority of them are cricket crazy. Ad sponsors want to see this, more people watching means more ads being watched.

    Total GDP means nothing when your per capita is much lower than the UKs. Can't equate India's $2.5tn economy to the UKs. India's population plays a big part in cricket deals and even economy. Australia got a big TV deal and they don't have a $2.5tn economy either but have the purchasing power.

    Pakistan and India have a close per capita income, not drastically different, $1,468 vs $1,709 in 2016.

    If the PCB can make learn from the BCCI and make itself a more professional board I don't see why it can't get a deal worth $500M-$1B for 5 years. PCB needs to market the PSL better, bringing it back to Pakistan and renovating stadiums (bring them up to international standards) people will come and just like the IPL is for India, I think the PSL can be for Pakistan.

    IPL TV rights were sold for $2.55B, I don't see why the PCB if they bring the league home and everything goes according to plan in terms of safety, I don't see why the PSL alone can't have a TV deal worth around $300-500M.

    Also, I'm saying within that range, doesn't have to be a $1B.
    Sure let PCB get 2 billion, did anyone stop PCB from doing it.If I were PCB I would look towards getting a deal independent of India and if India comes along it will be a bonus.But I doubt it will happen anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadaja View Post
    Sure let PCB get 2 billion, did anyone stop PCB from doing it.If I were PCB I would look towards getting a deal independent of India and if India comes along it will be a bonus.But I doubt it will happen anytime soon.
    Dude, your post has nothing to do with what I just posted. Re-read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 View Post
    I never said the population means anything, but it does help when you have numbers like that and majority of them are cricket crazy. Ad sponsors want to see this, more people watching means more ads being watched.

    Total GDP means nothing when your per capita is much lower than the UKs. Can't equate India's $2.5tn economy to the UKs. India's population plays a big part in cricket deals and even economy. Australia got a big TV deal and they don't have a $2.5tn economy either but have the purchasing power.

    Pakistan and India have a close per capita income, not drastically different, $1,468 vs $1,709 in 2016.

    If the PCB can make learn from the BCCI and make itself a more professional board I don't see why it can't get a deal worth $500M-$1B for 5 years. PCB needs to market the PSL better, bringing it back to Pakistan and renovating stadiums (bring them up to international standards) people will come and just like the IPL is for India, I think the PSL can be for Pakistan.

    IPL TV rights were sold for $2.55B, I don't see why the PCB if they bring the league home and everything goes according to plan in terms of safety, I don't see why the PSL alone can't have a TV deal worth around $300-500M.

    Also, I'm saying within that range, doesn't have to be a $1B.
    India's per capita is $1709 but total number of people is 1.3 bn so thats a huge market. So though per person spending power is lower than UK or Aus the number of people able to spend such money is far far far higher. Thats why the total economy size matters.

    Pakistan's per capita is 1468 but population is not 1bn but only 200mn. So the total spending power is less.

    Either you have to have high per capita or huge number of people with lower per capita. India has the later.

    Pakistan neither has a huge number in billion people nor a high per capita. It simply does not have the buying capacity.

    Tv rights deal has nothing to do with where psl matches are played. Venues will affect only the gate receipts and in ground sponsors.

    $300 to 500mn for PSL. Thats a 100 times increase over 5mn per yr deal psl has now. This is impossible. IPLs 1st deal was 1.1bn for 10 years. Now its 2.55bn for 5 years. You think PSL will appreciate at a rate 20 times higher?

    Comparision with ipl or bbl or ecbs league is moot as Pakistani economy is far smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 View Post
    Dude, your post has nothing to do with what I just posted. Re-read it.
    You said you don't see why PCB can't get up to 500 million deal. I said let it get 2 billion nobody is stopping them.

    At least we will stop hearing this semi annual ranting from PCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadaja View Post
    You said you don't see why PCB can't get up to 500 million deal. I said let it get 2 billion nobody is stopping them.

    At least we will stop hearing this semi annual ranting from PCB.
    PCB better off if it puts focus on being self reliant instead of waiting for GoI / BCCI to rescue them financially by letting Team India play Pak in bilaterals

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndianFan2018 View Post
    PCB better off if it puts focus on being self reliant instead of waiting for GoI / BCCI to rescue them financially by letting Team India play Pak in bilaterals
    Problem is PCB has no other option.ICC handouts is major revenue for it.We all know where ICC's revenue is generated from and somehow PCB thinks it can push BCCI into a corner on this MOU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    India's per capita is $1709 but total number of people is 1.3 bn so thats a huge market. So though per person spending power is lower than UK or Aus the number of people able to spend such money is far far far higher. Thats why the total economy size matters.

    Pakistan's per capita is 1468 but population is not 1bn but only 200mn. So the total spending power is less.

    Either you have to have high per capita or huge number of people with lower per capita. India has the later.

    Pakistan neither has a huge number in billion people nor a high per capita. It simply does not have the buying capacity.

    Tv rights deal has nothing to do with where psl matches are played. Venues will affect only the gate receipts and in ground sponsors.

    $300 to 500mn for PSL. Thats a 100 times increase over 5mn per yr deal psl has now. This is impossible. IPLs 1st deal was 1.1bn for 10 years. Now its 2.55bn for 5 years. You think PSL will appreciate at a rate 20 times higher?

    Comparision with ipl or bbl or ecbs league is moot as Pakistani economy is far smaller.
    So now population does matter?

    I'll agree because of the sheer numbers India has a huge amount of people that can spend.

    Pakistan's 220M is no small number (yes, it is nowhere near a billion..glad it isn't..but that is a rant for another day). Pakistan has a strong middle class that is growing every day. So, just dismissing them like this is not feasible.

    I'm not saying PSL will get those numbers just yet, it needs to prove itself. I don't know why you keep mentioning oh its x amount greater...if IPL grew by x amount then how can the PSL.

    Look initially no one knew how the PSL would end up, currently from the looks of it, looks to be successful. As Najam Sethi has said, the sponsor name is going up for sale and has already grown in value by 300%.

    As Pakistans economy grows, PSL grows, cricket expands, I don't see how this is a far-fetched idea.

    Hell, I'll even say, India is nowhere near the potential amount it should/will be earning in the future.
    Last edited by mmkextreme_1; 20th April 2018 at 18:57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmkextreme_1 View Post
    So now population does matter?

    I'll agree because of the sheer numbers India has a huge amount of people that can spend.

    Pakistan's 220M is no small number (yes, it is nowhere near a billion..glad it isn't..but that is a rant for another day). Pakistan has a strong middle class that is growing every day. So, just dismissing them like this is not feasible.

    I'm not saying PSL will get those numbers just yet, it needs to prove itself. I don't know why you keep mentioning oh its x amount greater...if IPL grew by x amount then how can the PSL.

    Look initially no one knew how the PSL would end up, currently from the looks of it, looks to be successful. As Najam Sethi has said, the sponsor name is going up for sale and has already grown in value by 300%.

    As Pakistans economy grows, PSL grows, cricket expands, I don't see how this is a far-fetched idea.

    Hell, I'll even say, India is nowhere near the potential amount it should/will be earning in the future.
    Sir 200mn multiplied by 1500 is a market size of 300bn.

    1720 multiplied by 1.3bn is a market size of 2.3tn

    Now you get the calculation. Pakistani market size is almost 1/10 th of India. So a deal valuing pcbs right at more than 1/10th of bcci is near impossible. Plus factor in the fact that pcbs rights will have a luke warm interest in India.

    Thats why i said a total rights value topping at about 300mn is feasible. Not more.

    I will not go by what Sethi says. The guy lies a lot.

    You have to look at the benchmarks in the industry to get at a estimation of valuation.Thats why i said that expecting PSL rights to appreciate more than 5 times is being foolish.

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    One needs to have some interest in economy (GDP, GDP growth rate, distribution of wealth, disposable income etc) before one can give an informed opinion on this matter. One has to keep it in mind that the money that BCCI makes from cricket (and helps ICC make from Indian market) is in line with the figures of Indian economy (something of interest to me). If PCB is unable to make a similar proportion of money from Pakistan market then it is the job of some Pakistani economist to advice PCB. Just because PCB is unable to make money from their domestic market does not mean that BCCI and Indian market will come to their rescue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    How am I jingoistic when I'm giving you cold hard numbers? Again, for the umpteenth time, PCBs coffers have been affected for not hosting india. 90 mil of the tv rights are at stake. That is the reason for the lawsuit which has no basis because Big 3 doesn't exist anymore.

    The reason why broadcasters are willing to pay so much money for India vs Pak series is because of Indian spectators. Just a couple of Ind vs Pak series is worth more to broadcasters than what Pakistan does with every other team over 5 years. That's what the tv rights indicate too. 60 mil for Pak hosting any country for 5 years. 90 mil for a couple of Ind vs Pak series. Why? When Pakistan hosts India, the broadcasters can sell ads for a very high premium to Indian companies that want to reach Indian middle class. Which part of this can't u comprehend? Anyway, made my point and multiple times too.
    If Pig 3 doesnt exist anymore that doesnt means that BCCI can now run away from the promise they made. PCB got the indian matches because they promised to vote for BCCI's election in pig 3. The MOU had no reliance on the future existence of Pig 3. So, please, try to fool someone else by saying that the case has no basis. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    If Pig 3 doesnt exist anymore that doesnt means that BCCI can now run away from the promise they made. PCB got the indian matches because they promised to vote for BCCI's election in pig 3. The MOU had no reliance on the future existence of Pig 3. So, please, try to fool someone else by saying that the case has no basis. LOL
    It was also based on the fact that Pak would vote in favour of Big3 model but PaK actually abstained from voting so the moral high ground is non existant but some people dont get it into their pig heads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Again wrong way to look at things. Just population doesn't matter. India has more middle class than the entire population of Pakistan. As per Dawn, Pakistan's middle class is 25 percent of their population. The rate of people moving into middle class is much higher in India and projections are for 600 people in middle class in India by 2025. The tv rights are based on these projections. They are also based on the interest in this middle class. For example India vs Australia or India vs England or India vs SA will still garner a lot of eyeballs. For Pakistani public, there is only one big ticket item and that is a series with India along with any ICC tournaments. And that shows in the projections and the way the rights are sold currently.
    No, it is not wrong because Pakistan's middle class is growing as well. Also, please quote correct facts instead of posting rubbish based on wrong facts.

    "Additionally, attempts to quantify the country’s middle class, largely based on income and the purchase of consumption goods, exhibit that 42% of the population belong to the upper and middle classes, with 38% counted as the middle class."

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1398602...ow-rapid-pace/


    38 per cent (and not 25%) of the population is middle class in Pakistan and is rapidly growing.

    Pakistan's situation when they signed up for the rubbish TV deal based on the fake promises of the lying, backstabbing, baghal mein churri munh mein raam raam BCCI was much different than its now.

    I am sure that when the new deal will be signed, it will be worth a lot more millions than it is now. Should be around 300mn.

    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    No. They offer was 280mn. It was then raised by 100mn then to 293mn and finally at 405mn. Please go through the sequence of events.
    Please quote a source.

    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricket...kWR2M_amp.html


    293mn then 390mn then 405mn.

    So bcci was able to negotiate 112mn more.
    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    400-500mn from 150mn will mean that pcb rights have to appreciate 3 times in its value. That will be a IPL level appreciation.
    Yes, like i said above, probably the 400-500mn appreciation is too big. However, if we manage to hit it then we are solid. Otherwise, 300 mn should be a realistic number provided the PCB has competent leadership in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravisurya View Post
    It was also based on the fact that Pak would vote in favour of Big3 model but PaK actually abstained from voting so the moral high ground is non existant but some people dont get it into their pig heads.
    No, PCB abstained in the first meeting but when Sethi joined they ended up voting after BCCI's promise.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1330630


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