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    Can he bat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentSpotterPk View Post
    As Graeme Smith mentioned Musa has to clear his front leg otherwise his back will get hurt.


    Every 2nd 3rd ball he almost falls in his follow through.


    His bouncers are not as fast as his fuller deliveries. One was 135 kph and other was 136 kph.



    Good Pace and attitude at such a young age. Encouraging and good to see but lots of work needed.



    Glad to see a teenager from Pakistan clocking over 140 kph.
    Hopefully Waqar will be able to help him out. Don't have any hope from the other coaches.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rana View Post
    Time will tell. I thought he equally impressed at the u19 World Cup the way Shaheen did.
    The guy I was impressed most by after the u-19 wc + national t20 cup is Arshad Iqbal. We have not seen him yet. His pace, swing and bowling intelligence was impressive for that age group.

    Is he Injured? Why isn't he in any PSL side? Was the best bowler for Karachi in the recent T20 cup.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Look at his height and he bowls freaken 140+

    Unbelievable. Such a good action aswell.

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    Short heighted bowlers face lot of difficulty to succeed . bilawal Bhatti also had pace.
    Now, i hope he will increase by 2,3 inches more as he is just 18

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    Good!!! But what we need couple of good batsmen. Our current bowlers are not that bad but batting is too poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shafi View Post
    Good!!! But what we need couple of good batsmen. Our current bowlers are not that bad but batting is too poor.
    Agreed, but hey, we also needed a genuine quick too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    I think Bhatti had a fab start, then went downhill
    Yes indeed, another one or the better version of Bhatti is Sami. Sami & Bhatti were not exposed even, they themselves joined the wrong track.

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    He messaged me to say he was happy with his first 3 overs but not his last.

    Says he can bowl better than what he did yesterday.



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    1st over: 136kph, 139kph, 136kph, 137kph, 141kph, 133kph

    2nd over: 140kph, 134kph, 138kph, 138kph, ?, 140kph

    3rd over: 139kph, 137kph, 140kph, 141kph, 140kph, 138kph

    4th over: ?, ?, 143kph, 110kph, 135kph, ?
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    Another excellent game for him .Waqar as a bowling coach will give him world of good

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    His action was really faulty for a fast bowler at under 19 WC , used to slow down a bit before the delivery stride , losing the rhythm and depended too much on last minute effort and power to generate pace . Has improved to some extend but basic fault is there and not the most efficient action and very injury prone . Plus , too short for a fast bowler . If he Improves his batting, he can become a utility cricketer, someone like Yasir Arafat .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeraq View Post
    1st over: 136kph, 139kph, 136kph, 137kph, 141kph, 133kph

    2nd over: 140kph, 134kph, 138kph, 138kph, ?, 140kph

    3rd over: 139kph, 137kph, 140kph, 141kph, 140kph, 138kph
    These arent the speeds of a 'utility cricketer'


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    Something to work with no doubt. Just needs to keep working hard.

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    Needs to optimise his run-up, just looks a little too long and seems to be stretching to the crease.

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    Can't believe this is how far we've fallen.

    Before we used to get excited with 150, 155, 157, 152, 153.

    And now we're getting excited over 142, 139, 141, 143

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    Couple of ks slower than expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunny_majoka View Post
    Short heighted bowlers face lot of difficulty to succeed . bilawal Bhatti also had pace.
    Now, i hope he will increase by 2,3 inches more as he is just 18
    What's his height?

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    What was Musa's performance in recent Asia under 19 cup against some really minnows under 19 teams, and how far he took the team with his performance. He was not even the 2nd best among under 19 fast bowlers in the team. I wish him luck, hope he improves and plays for Pakistan some day but not planning to join THE HYPE TEAM here, yet.

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    I'm more interested in Nasim Shah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    What was Musa's performance in recent Asia under 19 cup against some really minnows under 19 teams, and how far he took the team with his performance. He was not even the 2nd best among under 19 fast bowlers in the team. I wish him luck, hope he improves and plays for Pakistan some day but not planning to join THE HYPE TEAM here, yet.

    He only played 2 matches and the one against india the target was only 18.
    So u can't blame him.

    Forgotten how badly Shaheen Afridi was thrashed by Gill and Shaw on the u19 cwc 2018??? In the same match musa got 4 wickets.

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    Apart from decent pace and bounce I have yet to see any other things that can work for him in international cricket, clearly need couple of years to judge whether he have it in him or not.

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    Honestly the best person to train young fast bowlers is the great Waqar Younis. Waqar shouldn’t be around the national team. Instead work with the younger crop and ensure only the best of the best get to the top. Hell do a great job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chokli View Post
    Can't believe this is how far we've fallen.

    Before we used to get excited with 150, 155, 157, 152, 153.

    And now we're getting excited over 142, 139, 141, 143
    Am wondering the same, not sure why we're frothing at the mouth here? More Bilawal Bhatti then Shoaib Akhtar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chokli View Post
    Can't believe this is how far we've fallen.

    Before we used to get excited with 150, 155, 157, 152, 153.

    And now we're getting excited over 142, 139, 141, 143
    which country has auch talent or which team has such bowlers??

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    Quote Originally Posted by a_tahir View Post
    He only played 2 matches and the one against india the target was only 18.
    So u can't blame him.

    Forgotten how badly Shaheen Afridi was thrashed by Gill and Shaw on the u19 cwc 2018??? In the same match musa got 4 wickets.
    There is 11 inches difference between Shaheen and Musa, One is 6-5" and other 5-6" in height which this is a huge difference for pace bowler. Please remind me just one fast bowler with 5-6" height who was successful at international level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    There is 11 inches difference between Shaheen and Musa, One is 6-5" and other 5-6" in height which this is a huge difference for pace bowler. Please remind me just one fast bowler with 5-6" height who was successful at international level.
    R u sure he's only 5 6?
    I heard from some people he's 5 9 or 10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeraq View Post
    1st over: 136kph, 139kph, 136kph, 137kph, 141kph, 133kph

    2nd over: 140kph, 134kph, 138kph, 138kph, ?, 140kph

    3rd over: 139kph, 137kph, 140kph, 141kph, 140kph, 138kph

    4th over: ?, ?, 143kph, 110kph, 135kph, ?
    You think that is quick? We need an express bowlers, 143ks is not impressive. We need someone who can bowl over 150Ks as Pakistan's bowling is too one dimensional at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Misbah View Post
    You think that is quick? We need an express bowlers, 143ks is not impressive. We need someone who can bowl over 150Ks as Pakistan's bowling is too one dimensional at the moment.
    He is only 18 he can increase his pace by 10 kph.
    Considering the right age for fast bowler is 25

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    There is no way Musa is 5’6

    He’s 5’9/5’10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Da_Future_Knick View Post
    There is no way Musa is 5’6

    He’s 5’9/5’10
    He is 5' 9

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    Sami is 5.9 and Musa is visibly shorter than him. May be 5.9 is his sports height which includes shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunny_majoka View Post
    He is only 18 he can increase his pace by 10 kph.
    Considering the right age for fast bowler is 25
    I would say that he is around 21-22.

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    Is OK. But I don't think he has as much potential as Shaheen or even Arshad.

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    Very rarely bowls a bad ball. Combines bowling a nagging length that hurries the batsmen with a healthy dose of short stuff/aggression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikhil_cric View Post
    Is OK. But I don't think he has as much potential as Shaheen or even Arshad.
    Agreed we have plenty of these short skiddy bowlers.

    If we're to compete in places like Australia or South Africa we need tall fast bowlers who can hit the deck hard hence why I'm more excited by Arshad Iqbal.

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    Hopefully the more he plays the better he gets. Definitely for me has a future for Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Agreed we have plenty of these short skiddy bowlers.

    If we're to compete in places like Australia or South Africa we need tall fast bowlers who can hit the deck hard hence why I'm more excited by Arshad Iqbal.
    Yep. Pakistan need tall, hit the deck pacers who can get that extra bounce from a good length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Agreed we have plenty of these short skiddy bowlers.

    If we're to compete in places like Australia or South Africa we need tall fast bowlers who can hit the deck hard hence why I'm more excited by Arshad Iqbal.
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    Early days but if he performs, will be tough for Amir to keep his place in XI...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
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    Need a few more.

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    He seems pretty raw to me and injury prone. But given that we are playing 10 odi's between now and the world cup, he could be played while we rest a few folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    I would say that he is around 21-22.
    still he is young.
    i remember wahab his pace was in early 140s kph. maximum.
    but he has increased his pace by the time.

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    Speeds in his first over,

    142,139, 140,142, 141

    consistently around the 140 mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Agreed we have plenty of these short skiddy bowlers.

    If we're to compete in places like Australia or South Africa we need tall fast bowlers who can hit the deck hard hence why I'm more excited by Arshad Iqbal.

    Hasnain can fill in the missing link in Test and Odi eleven.

    Haris in near future for T20's & Odis.


    Musa needs slight action alteration as suggested by Graeme Smith. Would get quicker and more efficient. Musa is an inch or two shorter than Hasan Ali so he needs to be dead accurate or super fast to excel in Int Cricket.

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    1st Over: 141kph, 145kph, 125kph, 145kph, 139kph, 145kph

    2nd over: ?, ?, ?, 142kph, 141kph, 140kph
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeraq View Post
    1st Over: 141kph, 145kph, 125kph, 145kph, 139kph, 145kph
    Great speeds...But those 50m boundaries are ridiculous and absolutely cruel on bowlers. That can hamper your confidence big time as a young quick. That is mockery ... Disappointed!

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    3rd over: ?, 140ph, ?, 135kph, 145kph, 141kph

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    This year Psl is soo cruel on him but he will learn alot from this and come as a better bowler. One thing he needs alot of work is death over bowling specially yorkers

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    A lot of potential but really needs to work hard on his accuracy.

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    We can't judge every player off T20s. He has potential, he's only 20, just needs to work hard. Wouldn't be surprised if we see him in a Pakistan jersey in the next 2-3 years.


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    Heard he clocked 145 clicks today.... very, very exciting prospect.



    I wish the WC was in June 2020 rather than June 2019. By then we would have inducted and given proper run to folks like Shaheen, Rauf, Hasnain and Musa.


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    Glad no-one is bashing him so far, even Shaheen went for 60 today


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    has a lot of potential, good pace... now he needs to learn to bowl the ball both ways

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    Musa will always have it tough with that height. The reason he needs to focus on other new ball skills.

    Very young and I am sure with time he will progress. A few T20's do not matter.


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    He is too short, like Hasan Ali has limited chance of success at international level. We already have too many midgets bowlers... Firnesd wise both are pretty good for shorter format, but as we saw in test, height shows limitation of Hasan both in range and fitness.

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    Muhammad Musa's 1st over: 144kph, ?, 141kph, ?, 141kph, 144kph

    2nd over: 148kph, 141kph, 141kph, 147kph, 132kph, 148kph, 145kph

    4th over: ?, ?, ?, 138kph, 140kph, 144kph
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    This kid has heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    This kid has heart.
    ...and heat too.

    Has just bowled a 147kph bowl.

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    2 148 and 147 from musa

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    Going to the boundary even faster atm


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    He's awful. Reminds me of a Mohammad Sami from back in the day.

    Why are these prospects coming with Sami like actions? Where is the Shoaib Akhtar prototype?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ar2020 View Post
    He's awful. Reminds me of a Mohammad Sami from back in the day.

    Why are these prospects coming with Sami like actions? Where is the Shoaib Akhtar prototype?
    His action was unique..not many youngsters can emulate it. Especially, considering his hyperextension.

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    Its not like he just bowled 5-6 deliverers at 145+ , he also bowled 145+ is recent U-19 looked more treatning than Shaheen in U-19 WC against india in semi final and that was 50 over cricket so he can bowl 145 continuously in 50 overs

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    Also, Sami has a beautiful action. Don't know why people are blaming his action/getting his action confused with his cricketing brain.

    Sami biggest downfall was he himself. He also couldn't handle pressure well.

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    Coming to Musa, give him time. Just don't tell him to slow down, tell him to bowl as fast as he can and eventually/help from coaches his line and length will become better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salman4. View Post
    ...and heat too.

    Has just bowled a 147kph bowl.
    He can cross the 150 kmph barrier.

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    surprisingly no one is talking about this lad!though bit on the expensive side, he got 3 crucial wickets and his speed and zip was great to watch, his effort ball, if I remember correctly, went upto 148k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden arm View Post
    surprisingly no one is talking about this lad!though bit on the expensive side, he got 3 crucial wickets and his speed and zip was great to watch, his effort ball, if I remember correctly, went upto 148k
    Exactly. He have been hit hard but his wicket of munro was crucial for Iu comeback. He recovered well first 2 over went for 28 but next 2 only 15 runs +two wickets.

    I like his bouncer which is very sharp also his action is good to bowl yorkers which is something he is working on and getting better with each game

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    He's a confidence bowler. Musa's gotta learn by watching Hasan. Obviously, he's in good hands in Islamabad under Waqar. Can become a threat but is raw atm.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    He's a confidence bowler. Musa's gotta learn by watching Hasan. Obviously, he's in good hands in Islamabad under Waqar. Can become a threat but is raw atm.
    how would you rank Musa,Hasnian,Arshad,Haris,Nasim and Shaheen in order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    how would you rank Musa,Hasnian,Arshad,Haris,Nasim and Shaheen in order.
    They're different types of bowlers. Haven't really seen enough to judge them apart from Shaheen. On potential alone, Shaheen, Hasnain and Nasim are a level above.


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    Musa has loads of potential , I reckon he will be even better shorter format bowler than Hasnain in next couple of years. The guy got his yorkers and bouncers right at the age of 18 just imagine under Waqar for next 2 years.

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    He has the most lethal bouncer among the emerging quicks. He is built like an armour and I am sure he'll hit 150k mark soon. He needs to work on his variations especially yorkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliance View Post
    He has the most lethal bouncer among the emerging quicks. He is built like an armour and I am sure he'll hit 150k mark soon. He needs to work on his variations especially yorkers.
    He is constantly over 140 which is very good average speed he did hit 148 in last match.from what i notice he is sort of guy who bowls quicker the more he get the opportunity to bowl the longer spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    They're different types of bowlers. Haven't really seen enough to judge them apart from Shaheen. On potential alone, Shaheen, Hasnain and Nasim are a level above.
    I hear alot about this Nasim. Where is he? Is he injured?


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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    I hear alot about this Nasim. Where is he? Is he injured?
    Yes. Was picked for QG but got injured. He is still with the squad but Hasanain was picked as replacement.

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    Exciting talent but needs to put in hardwork on his accuracy and variations and how to outthink a batsmen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    I hear alot about this Nasim. Where is he? Is he injured?
    Naseem is the fastest of the lot according to Mudassar Nazar. He is recovering from a back injury, but QG still had him with the team which is great for the youngster.

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    Thanks for the replies @mak36 and @Titan24


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