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    FATF decides to keep Pakistan on its Grey list [Update #199]

    Pakistan has been engaged in lobbying efforts with different countries around the world to thwart a move by the United States and its European allies to get Pakistan placed on a global terrorist-financing watchlist with the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), it emerged on Thursday.

    Responding to a calling attention notice about Pakistan's possible placement on the FATF 'grey list', Minister of State for Finance Rana Afzal told the Senate that the move to put Pakistan on the terrorist-financing watchlist is a political manoeuvre on the part of the US and UK.

    He said the US banding together with Britain to place Pakistan on the watchlist is a "dangerous step" intended to pile political pressure on Pakistan.

    News broke on Tuesday that the US along with the UK, France and Germany had put forth a motion with the FATF to place Pakistan on the watchlist of countries considered non-compliant with global anti-terror financing measures.

    A meeting of FATF member states is due to take place next week in Paris, where the organisation could adopt the motion on Pakistan.
    Afzal in his briefing said Pakistan had already submitted an annual compliance report to FATF earlier in January and America's nomination of Pakistan for the watchlist without considering the report was puzzling.

    He said Interior Minister Ahsan Iqbal has recently concluded visits to the US and UK to convince their governments to withdraw the motion. He said the adviser to the prime minister on finance is on a tour of European countries, the foreign secretary has visited Italy and other government representatives have been to Korea and Japan in connection with the same lobbying efforts.
    "We are contesting this matter and hope to get support [from other countries]," the minister said, revealing that the government has also contacted all foreign embassies in this regard.

    Afzal stressed that Pakistan has seized the assets of banned groups in compliance with FATF regulations, and expressed the fear that investment and funds meant for development projects would be adversely affected if Pakistan is added to the 'grey list'.
    The FATF maintains grey and black lists for countries that have fallen short of establishing concrete measures to counter money laundering and terror financing.

    Pakistan was previously on the FATF watchlist from 2012 to 2015. The FATF, an intergovernmental body based in Paris that sets global standards for fighting illicit finance, had previously warned Islamabad it could be put back on the list without further efforts to crack down on the flow of funds to militants.

    Pakistani officials and Western diplomats say being put on the FATF watchlist could deal a blow to Pakistan’s economy, making it harder for foreign investors and companies to do business in the country.

    The implications of Pakistan being placed on the watchlist have already begun to show signs, with the benchmark KSE-100 Index plunging 411 points to close at 42,942 on Thursday, as a bearish spell continued to prevail at the Pakistan Stock Exchange.

    "Investors traded cautiously ahead of the Financial Action Task Force’s key meeting in Paris next week as the United States and few European countries plan to table a motion with FATF to put Pakistan back on its watchlist," a report issued by the Topline Securities earlier today read.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1389591/pa...cing-watchlist
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    Sums up our diplomacy.
    Also, never heard of them.

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    Go ahead do it America. They just want Pak to continue cleaning up their mess in Afghanistan. Clean your own mess! In the long run a complete divorce or at least reduction in ties with America will immensely benefit Pakistan. We need to strengthen our relations with China, Russia and Europe. Pak is a hard country, it's a survivor.


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    This was always going to happen, the americans totally used us and now they are using fatf as a diplomatic tool, the british are behind this also.

    USA want pakistan to toe the line with regards to the taliban, just when economically thing were improving US try this..

    Pak will get greylisted next week, no matter what they do, just like those sanctions were put on Iran and Iraq.
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    go ahead..


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    US underlines Pakistan’s ‘deficiencies’ in countering terrorism

    WASHINGTON: Not just the United States but others in the international community also have concerns about “Pakistan’s deficiencies” in implementing anti-money laundering and counterterrorism laws, says the US State Department.

    At a Thursday afternoon news briefing, the department’s spokesperson Heather Nauert hinted that a resolution to place Pakistan on a global terror-financing watchlist had been submitted to the Financial Action Task Force (FATF). Britain, France and Germany have also endorsed this resolution, which was moved by the United States.

    The remarks precede a crucial FATF meeting in Paris next week to consider new proposals for countering terrorism and money laundering.

    The FATF is an international policy-making and standard-setting body dedicated to combating money laundering and terrorist financing. It maintains grey and black lists for identifying countries with weak counterterrorism mechanisms.

    The watchdog does not have the powers to impose sanctions but its listing can affect international transactions as it also exposes the country dealing with a state on the watch list to greater scrutiny.

    Asked if the US had moved such a resolution in the FATF, Ms Nauert said she could not confirm or deny it as FATF deliberations were “private”. But she confirmed that the international community had such concerns about Pakistan.

    “Basically, the international community has this sort of longstanding concern when it comes to the government of Pakistan, about what we consider to be deficiencies in the implementation of anti-money laundering, counterterrorism, and other types of issues similar to that,” she said.

    Asked if the US was satisfied with a new law that Pakistan made last week to enhance its counterterrorism capabilities, Ms Nauert said she did not have enough information about the law to comment.

    The US media reported on Thursday that the Trump administration had given Pakistan a new list of a dozen top militants to detain but the document did not give their locations. “This may prevent Pakistan from taking the required action,” said a diplomatic source.

    The reports also claimed that Washington has turned down Islamabad’s request for a meeting with CIA chief Mike Pompeo later this month. Pakistan had requested the meeting to discuss intelligence sharing, the reports added.

    A State Department spokesperson told Dawn that Washington is also seeking more information from Pakistan about the steps it has taken to blacklist certain terrorist groups.

    “The United States welcomes the steps taken to blacklist Falah-i-Insaniat Foundation (FiF) and Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) in line with UN Security Council sanctions,” said the spokesperson when asked if Washington would consider withdrawing its move to place Pakistan on the FATF watch list.

    “We look forward to additional information on how these steps are being implemented and what concrete steps are being taken to counter the groups, which is crucial,” the spokesperson added.

    The official also underlined the need for more specific actions from Pakistan to eliminate those terrorist groups that were using Pakistani soil to launch attacks into neighbouring countries.

    “We expect to see decisive and sustainable action from Pakistan to end the ability of terrorists to operate on and conduct attacks from Pakistani soil,” the official said.

    “We stand ready to work together with Pakistan to combat terrorist groups without distinction. We will continue these conversations with the Pakistani government in private,” he added.

    In a separate statement to other journalists, another State Department official said that Washington had consistently expressed its long-standing concern about ongoing deficiencies in Pakistan’s implementation of its anti-money laundering/counter-terrorism finance regime.

    “In addition to broader systemic concerns, this also includes Pakistan’s non-compliance with its commitments under UN Security Council Resolution 1267,” the official said.

    The resolution asks member countries to freeze the assets of, prevent the entry into or transit through their territories of UN-designated terrorist groups. It also requires UN-member states to prevent the direct or indirect supply, sale and transfer of arms and military equipment to any individual or entity associated with Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden and/or the Taliban.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1389956/us...ring-terrorism

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    Quote Originally Posted by indipper View Post
    Sums up our diplomacy.
    Also, never heard of them.
    You never heard of Financial Action Task Force?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic_Inzi View Post
    This was always going to happen, the americans totally used us and now they are using fatf as a diplomatic tool, the british are behind this also.

    USA want pakistan to toe the line with regards to the taliban, just when economically thing were improving US try this..

    Pak will get greylisted next week, no matter what they do, just like those sanctions were put on Iran and Iraq.
    US and Britain are obviously going to push policy which benefits them, Pakistan can always choose whether to fall in line or go whichever way they think serves their interests better.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TM Riddle View Post
    You never heard of Financial Action Task Force?
    Honestly, No!

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    Quote Originally Posted by indipper View Post
    Honestly, No!
    It's a prime agency in the world to prevent money laundering and terrorist financing.


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    Easiest way to not getting on that list is to stop supporting global terrorism. Won't have to do any lobbying then. Quite simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English August View Post
    Easiest way to not getting on that list is to stop supporting global terrorism. Won't have to do any lobbying then. Quite simple.
    No! Easiest way to do is by getting rich and then no one would care what you do. e.g India

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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    No! Easiest way to do is by getting rich and then no one would care what you do. e.g India
    Werent you guys here claiming India is a poor country just like pak in a diff thread ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Go ahead do it America. They just want Pak to continue cleaning up their mess in Afghanistan. Clean your own mess! In the long run a complete divorce or at least reduction in ties with America will immensely benefit Pakistan. We need to strengthen our relations with China, Russia and Europe. Pak is a hard country, it's a survivor.

    The easiest solution and realistic one is to just try and start friendly relations with India, check of the list of demands that India wants and Pakistan automatically not only gains a true ally that understands Pakustan better than China or Russia .The world will also take notice and appreciate this move.

    Strengthening ties with countries where you have nothing to offer is laughable in my opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    No! Easiest way to do is by getting rich and then no one would care what you do. e.g India

    India is a responsible country which is why it’s not in the same mess that Pakistan seems to find itself in. Nothing to do with India being rich. It doesn’t fund terrorism or hide terrorists or attack countries unprovoked. The world does not worry about India in general. On the other hand the world has a lot to fear regarding Pakistan because of the obvious history. I think if Pakistan is on the list it will do a lot of good and force Pakistan to look at itself behind a mirror and change its mindset and national policy .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker View Post
    Werent you guys here claiming India is a poor country just like pak in a diff thread ?
    'you guys'? i speak for myself. There are 20 million Pakistani, I can't speak for every Pakistani.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snak3eye5 View Post
    India is a responsible country which is why it’s not in the same mess that Pakistan seems to find itself in. Nothing to do with India being rich. It doesn’t fund terrorism or hide terrorists or attack countries unprovoked. The world does not worry about India in general. On the other hand the world has a lot to fear regarding Pakistan because of the obvious history. I think if Pakistan is on the list it will do a lot of good and force Pakistan to look at itself behind a mirror and change its mindset and national policy .
    Lets not be delusional and get blinded by nationalism. India does sponsor terrorism in Pakistan.
    Proxy war between India, Pakistan and Afghanistan will not end as long as Afghanistan does not have Pakistani friendly government.
    Saudi Arabia isn't on the list, explains everything.
    Now, when you come up with anything to counter it will be consider invalid to me if you can't acknowledge state sponsor terrorism against the people of Pakistan from India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    Lets not be delusional and get blinded by nationalism. India does sponsor terrorism in Pakistan.
    Proxy war between India, Pakistan and Afghanistan will not end as long as Afghanistan does not have Pakistani friendly government.
    Saudi Arabia isn't on the list, explains everything.
    Now, when you come up with anything to counter it will be consider invalid to me if you can't acknowledge state sponsor terrorism against the people of Pakistan from India.
    India is just too skillful in usually not being caught. India does very well know how to portray itself as the innocent victim.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    India is just too skillful in usually not being caught. India does very well know how to portray itself as the innocent victim.
    Perhaps, or rest of the world would rather not put India on any list as long it's terror activity is limited in Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English August View Post
    Easiest way to not getting on that list is to stop supporting global terrorism. Won't have to do any lobbying then. Quite simple.
    This has always been a problem for Pakistan, they don't like to fall in line with what the western powers decide is global terrorism. I feel India does a much better job of accepting cultural medicine from the west, Pakistan along with other Muslim countries won't swallow the pill. You can see this in their citizens abroad as well with Indians much more willing to integrate by bending flexibly rather than remaining stiff and unyielding.


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    This whole terrorism narrative is connected to the Afghan war. Pakistan should help make Afghanistan peaceful so the Afghan war ends. No more Afghan war=International powers leaving Afghanistan/reducing their presence. When that happens Pakistan and International powers won’t have oppossing interests and then they are less likely to put pressure on Pakistan for India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saeed View Post
    This whole terrorism narrative is connected to the Afghan war. Pakistan should help make Afghanistan peaceful so the Afghan war ends. No more Afghan war=International powers leaving Afghanistan/reducing their presence. When that happens Pakistan and International powers won’t have oppossing interests and then they are less likely to put pressure on Pakistan for India.
    This is all contingent on Afghanistan wanting genuine peace - Respect Pak's sovereignty by giving up the border claims and stop support of rebels.


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    India is not among the countries that have nominated Pakistan. So do we really need to turn this into another India vs Pakistan thread ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snak3eye5 View Post
    The easiest solution and realistic one is to just try and start friendly relations with India, check of the list of demands that India wants and Pakistan automatically not only gains a true ally that understands Pakustan better than China or Russia .The world will also take notice and appreciate this move.

    Strengthening ties with countries where you have nothing to offer is laughable in my opinion...
    India does not want friendly relations at all but complete dominance of the sub continent. Please you're havin' a laugh by saying India understand us! I would much rather trust the devil then Hindutva India for goodness sake. Perhaps if Congress wins their next election I may reconsider. We Pakistan not the world are India neighbours and have to live next to them! I don't get what you mean by "Strengthening ties with countries where you have nothing to offer is laughable in my opinion"?


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    FATF begins today review of move to put Pakistan on grey-list

    WASHINGTON: A global anti-money-laundering watchdog begins a week-long plenary session in Paris on Sunday to review proposals that include putting ******tan back on a list of countries which have failed to prevent terrorist financing.

    The Financial Action Task Force (FATF) is an intergovernmental organisation founded in 1989 to develop policies to combat money laundering, but after 9/11 it focuses more on preventing terrorist financing.

    The FATF announced on Saturday that the Feb 18-23 meetings would discuss impo*rtant issues to protect the integrity of the global fina*ncial system and contribute to security. Over 700 delegates from the FATF global network, as well as the United Nations, Inter*nati*onal Monetary Fund, World Bank and other partners, will attend the meetings.

    Pakistan’s de facto finance minister, Miftah Ismail, told Reuters last week that the United States and Britain had put forward a motion to place Pakistan on the FATF terrorist-financing watch list. Later, they also persuaded France and Germany to co-sponsor the move.

    At a Thursday afternoon news briefing in Washing*ton, US State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert hinted that the resolution had been submitted and would come up for discussion at the FATF meeting in Paris.

    If adopted the resolution would place Pakistan on the FATF grey-list of “jurisdictions with deficient anti-money laundering regimes”, where it was from 2009-15.

    In November 2017, the International Coopera*tion Review Group in Argentina adopted a resolution, calling attention to Pakistan’s support to the Lashkar-i-Taiba, Jaish-i- Moh*a*mmad and affiliated groups like Jamaatud Dawa. The meeting also demanded a full report on Pakistan’s eff*orts to curb terrorist financing before the FATF meetings.

    “We will discuss a new counter-terrorist financing operational plan that will set out the actions the FATF will be taking in response to the changing terrorist financing threats,” the group said.

    The decision to put Pakistan back on the list would be a major setback for Islamabad’s efforts to improve its image. It is also the first time ever that four countries have nominated a country for censure.

    “We are now working with the US, the UK, Germany and France for the nomination to be withdrawn,” Mr Ismail told Reuters. “We are also quite hopeful that even if the US does not withdraw the nomination we will prevail and not be put on the list.”

    Pakistan hopes that China, which has supported ******tan in the past, will rescue it again. Pakistan has also lobbied for support with Russia, Turkey and members of the Gulf Cooperation Council.

    But India, which is lobbying against Pakistan, sent a secretary-level delegation to Moscow on Jan 31 to persu*a*de Russia not to support Pak*istan. The Indian media reported that in his recent visits to Gulf countries, Ind*ian Prime Minister Narendra Mo*di also asked them not to support Pakistan at the FATF.

    Russian Ambassador to India Nikolai Kudashev, however, told The Hindu newspaper last week that “to corner Pakistan is not Russia’s policy”. He said Moscow would base its decision on “how weighty and substantiated the proof for Pakistan’s involvement in financing terrorism will be”.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1390160/fa...n-on-grey-list

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rishikesh View Post
    India is not among the countries that have nominated Pakistan. So do we really need to turn this into another India vs Pakistan thread ?
    According to that article linked above, India is lobbying against Pakistan and sent a delegation to Russia in an effort to dissuade them from supporting Pakistan, so unfortunately it will be difficult to prevent it becoming another India vs Pakistan thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    This has always been a problem for Pakistan, they don't like to fall in line with what the western powers decide is global terrorism. I feel India does a much better job of accepting cultural medicine from the west, Pakistan along with other Muslim countries won't swallow the pill. You can see this in their citizens abroad as well with Indians much more willing to integrate by bending flexibly rather than remaining stiff and unyielding.
    Right. Kudos to the Pakistanis and folks from other Muslim countries who are brilliant at showing these Western powers who is the boss. They must feel so proud about their achievements: 9/11, London bombing, Paris massacre, Brussels, Spain, etc. etc.

    Shame on the Indians for "falling in line", wasting their time with running large tech companies, excelling in academia, being the richest and the most educated migrant community etc.

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    WASHINGTON: Declaring Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorism will create a situation that will be difficult to reverse, will fail in forcing Islamabad to change its policies and will not help the US cause in Afghanistan.

    These were the arguments that all three panelists made this week in a discussion at a Washington think tank — Woodrow Wilson Centre’s Asia Programme — to reject the suggestion.

    Labelling a country “a state sponsor of terrorism, is not a surgical instrument, that’s a really, really heavy hammer”, argued Stephen Tankel, an assistant professor at School of Public Affairs, American University, Washington. “The sanctions that come with that pretty much obliterate any chance you have engaging on a whole host of other issues.”

    Daud Khattak, Senior Editor, Radio Mashaal, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, also rejected the suggestion because he believed it would be counter-productive. “Let’s declare Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorism today. But what next, if there’s no change? Will you take some more serious steps?” he asked.

    Madiha Afzal, a fellow at the Brookings Institution, Washington, who recently wrote a book on Pakistan — “Pakistan Under Siege: Extremism, Society, and the State” — opposed the proposal, raised at various platforms in Washington.

    “There are other avenues, less single-minded approach, to actually make Pakistan move,” she said, while urging the Trump administration to work with China to persuade Pakistan to listen to US complaints about Islamabad’s role in Afghanistan. “Pakistan will listen,” she said.

    Two official statements this week — by US Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats at the Senate Intelligence Committee and by Pakistan Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa in Munich — also have had a major impact on the debate in Washington on Pakistan’s role in South Asia, particularly in Afghanistan.

    “Pakistani military leaders continue to walk a delicate line. Ongoing Pakistani military operations against the Taliban and associated groups probably reflect the desire to appear more proactive and responsive to our request for more actions against these groups,” Mr Coats told the Senate committee. “However, the actions taken thus far do not reflect a significant escalation of pressure against these groups and are unlikely to have a lasting effect,” he added.

    Gen Bajwa told US policy makers that the cause of the current stalemate in Afghanistan was “not only the Haqqani network or Afghan Taliban”, it was also “the pursuit of a wrong strategy which led to their resurrection”.

    He highlighted the US failure to combine its military ventures with a soft approach, providing an ideological alternative to the extremist narrative, reminding them that this “information prong aimed at discrediting the terrorist ideology” was “equally important”.

    At the Washington seminar — “Changing Patterns of Extremism and Terrorism in Pakistan” — Madiha Afzal also tried to correct the perception in Washington that “ordinary Pakistanis condone, if not celebrate, the violent jihad”.

    “Data shows it’s not true, 89 per cent of Pakistanis in a recent Pew global opinion poll said that violence against civilians in the name of Islam was never justified,” she said.

    Mr Khattak rejected the perception that this month’s tribal protest in Islamabad was against Pakistan. “It was against the Pakistani government, asking them to remove military check-posts and recover the disappeared people,” he said. “It was not against the state of Pakistan. It was not anti-Pakistan,” he said.

    He also blamed Afghanistan’s neighbours and the international community for failing to restore peace there. “Their struggle is for individual conquests, not for defeating the Taliban,” he said.

    Questions about labelling Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorism were raised by two participants — a former US ambassador to Islamabad and the leader of a Sindhi nationalist group in Washington — and these created an animated discussion.

    “Assistance is a form of engagement, ending it entirely takes you in the opposite direction, and when you ultimately have to engage Pakistan again, which the US will, it makes it all more difficult to engage,” said Mr Tankel while disagreeing with the proposal to end all US assistance to Pakistan.

    “Those arguments are operative on the security assistance side as well,” he said. “I prefer placing new conditions that are much more realistic than the ones we had on it in the past and then enforce them.”

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1390309/de...-help-scholars

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    This has always been a problem for Pakistan, they don't like to fall in line with what the western powers decide is global terrorism. I feel India does a much better job of accepting cultural medicine from the west, Pakistan along with other Muslim countries won't swallow the pill. You can see this in their citizens abroad as well with Indians much more willing to integrate by bending flexibly rather than remaining stiff and unyielding.
    is this a joke ? All you guys do is try to appease a foreign power . One day its Arab world , US and lately its the Chinese turn .
    Dont club other Muslim countries with Pakistan , your description is more apt for a country like Iran which has been showing middle finger the western powers for years .


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    US bid to put Pakistan on terror financing watch-list false through



    sources suggested that China, Turkey, and Russia, all of whom are part of FATF, opposed the motion which was jointly-moved by the US and the UK against Pakistan.

    After failing to arrive at a consensus, the FATF dropped its plan to table the motion for voting in its plenary session starting on Wednesday (today).
    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1640157...ch-list-fails/


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    this is GOLD ...

    sources suggested that China, Turkey, and Russia, all of whom are part of FATF, opposed the motion which was jointly-moved by the US and the UK against Pakistan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    this is GOLD ...
    Apparently its a 3 month pause if im not wrong. Thanks to china for coming to the rescue once again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTip-OneHand View Post
    Apparently its a 3 month pause if im not wrong. Thanks to china for coming to the rescue once again.
    They didn't do us a any favours. China needs Pak and they know it! Three months is a looong time in politics! Would make little difference if Pak was on the list. I can understand that it's hurting the Indian's real bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneTip-OneHand View Post
    Apparently its a 3 month pause if im not wrong. Thanks to daddy china for coming to the rescue once again.
    what about RUSSIA, why they opposed it ?

    3 months, meh. tell you what, US wasnt serious enough to push the bid, they were testing the waters and wants to twist pak army arms. thats gt failed, thats all. pakistan hold the whole deck of aces.
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    Nice to see the relationship between the USA and the so-called 'major non-NATO ally'.

    Why Pakistan haven't walked away on them is beyond comprehension.

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    Not surprised that China supported Pak. China needs Pak to counter India and also protect its own investments in Pak.

    Russia from what I am reading is slowly tilting towards Pak. India favoring US and European nations is not to the liking of Russians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Nice to see the relationship between the USA and the so-called 'major non-NATO ally'.

    Why Pakistan haven't walked away on them is beyond comprehension.
    the question is whos stopping them to walk away from pakistan ? pakistan didnt ask for any aid civilians or military etc etc.
    why dont they stop giving us aid or transit fee or whateverrrr. if we are thre enemy, thn one shouldnt give thre tax payers money to the enemy country.

    Trump Proposes $336 Million Aid to Pakistan

    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/in-4...kistan-1811890

    tell you what, the biggest military machine after P-3 Orion AWACS, is coming pakistan very soon from US.
    and trump cant do nothing about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Not surprised that China supported Pak. China needs Pak to counter India and also protect its own investments in Pak.

    Russia from what I am reading is slowly tilting towards Pak. India favoring US and European nations is not to the liking of Russians.
    In last few years Pakistan has on numerous occasions claimed Russian support only for Russia to come out and deny it.

    So i will hold my opinion on what Russians did. They have billions hanging in defence deals in India and thats only the economic part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    tell you what, the biggest military machine after P-3 Orion AWACS, is coming pakistan very soon from US.
    and trump cant do nothing about it.
    I'm sure, but that also comes with a helluva lot of baggage and US foreign policy, from stray drone strikes, to sabre rattling at conclaves like this one.

    Why is it worth it for Pakistan? Is it just the money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    I'm sure, but that also comes with a helluva lot of baggage and US foreign policy, from stray drone strikes, to sabre rattling at conclaves like this one.

    Why is it worth it for Pakistan? Is it just the money?
    as i said before, why they dont stop our aid , whether its military or civilian aid ? its upto them. whos stopping them ?
    we didnt ask for it. we told this officially many times.
    everyone just point fingering on pakistan becoz its easy, but no one try to point fingers at US that why they dont stop our aid.
    no one try to ask about this US dilemma tht they keep giving us aid and keep calling us an enemy and what not. thats hypocrisy itself.


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    Really can't understand Pakistani establishment's support to taliban factions.the sort of vengeance one sees in a common Afghani could end up giving a long term security nightmare to Pakistan.btw the mainstreaming of a un designated terrorist is another darkspot that makes the job of its enemies to isolate and embarass it a lot more easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    In last few years Pakistan has on numerous occasions claimed Russian support only for Russia to come out and deny it.

    So i will hold my opinion on what Russians did. They have billions hanging in defence deals in India and thats only the economic part.
    yaar, cmon you know how the game is played. Actually if you think about it, we are actually following down a similar path to your country. Ok its taken a bit of time but eight years of continuous non martial law governance has finally created a situation where we are going for a more independent foreign policy.

    We are not going to lose our relationship with the americans. Its just not going to happen anytime soon no matter what anybody thinks. We will also start to cultivate a better relationship with the Russians and yes they'll support us at times and other times (weapon sales ) they wont.. this is all part of the new game in the region.

    Moving on to this FATF stuff, I think the americans are getting desperate. I actually think Modi sahib is playing a nice little game here. Dont be surprised if after the next elections India and Pakistan suddenly start having a few diplomatic chats. I wont be surprised. The US is ripe for getting backstabbed and marginalised in the region. Sooner or later the countries of the region will make their moves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Nice to see the relationship between the USA and the so-called 'major non-NATO ally'.

    Why Pakistan haven't walked away on them is beyond comprehension.
    Never heard the old saying, Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer? The US needs Pakistan, and keeping them sweet is probably the main thing keeping the country from ending up like Libya or Iraq.


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    Both China and USA need Pakistan. Ever played Snooker? Well we have them both snookered!! Had we been put on the list it would have been the greatest news ever on Bharat's channels. There would be 100 hour programmes on this "latest development" Instead today's big news in India is a Pak chopper seen flying so near the LoC We're just looking for a good picnic spot!


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    Either the Indian media are making up lies (won’t be the first time) or the ‘taller than the mountains and deeper than the ocean’ friend China have performed a U-Turn.

    New Delhi: In a huge embarrassment for Pakistan, sources say that the global money laundering watchdog FATF or the Financial Action Task Force has put Islamabad back on its terrorist financing watch list, the move that could seriously hurt Pakistan's economy.

    An official announcement is expected later today. The 35-member body works by consensus and even China, which was supporting its closest ally till now, withdrew its objections after intense pressure from the US and others.
    https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/****...home-topscroll

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    REUTERS: Global watchdog to put Pakistan back on terrorist financing watchlist: sources

    Earlier in the week China, Turkey, and the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) were opposing the U.S.-led move against Pakistan but by late on Thursday, both China and the GCC dropped their opposition, the diplomatic source said.

    He added that the financial consequences would not kick in until June, which, in theory, could allow Pakistan time to fix financing issues.

    “But the odds of that, particularly in an election year, seem slim,” he added.

    Pakistani officials and analysts fear being on the FATF list could endanger Pakistan’s handful of remaining banking links to the outside world, causing real financial pain to the economy just as a general election looms.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-p...-idUSKCN1G70X7

    I think this is an inside job to hurt PMLN's chances! What other reason is there for GCC and China withdrawing support?!

    One thing is clear though, Pakistan has one true all-weather ally in this world and that is Recep Tayyip Erdoğan!

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    Now this is totally embarrassment for Pakistan and specialy Khwaja Asif after that tweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Both China and USA need Pakistan. Ever played Snooker? Well we have them both snookered!! Had we been put on the list it would have been the greatest news ever on Bharat's channels. There would be 100 hour programmes on this "latest development" Instead today's big news in India is a Pak chopper seen flying so near the LoC We're just looking for a good picnic spot!
    Congrats.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    this is GOLD ...

    This is pure gold indeed...lol...it's been confirmed that pak put back on terror financing watchlist..huge embarrassment that The only country that voted in favour of Pakistan was Turkey. Not even traditional friends and allies like China voted in favour of Pakistan.

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    LOOL, Even China ditched the Pakistani Army, now where are all the chest thumpers

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    Dost dost na rha ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxfordchamp View Post
    This is pure gold indeed...lol...it's been confirmed that pak put back on terror financing watchlist..huge embarrassment that The only country that voted in favour of Pakistan was Turkey. Not even traditional friends and allies like China voted in favour of Pakistan.
    Confirmed by who? Asking for a source is all

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    Both China and USA need Pakistan. Ever played Snooker? Well we have them both snookered!! Had we been put on the list it would have been the greatest news ever on Bharat's channels. There would be 100 hour programmes on this "latest development" Instead today's big news in India is a Pak chopper seen flying so near the LoC We're just looking for a good picnic spot!
    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    this is GOLD ...

    These two posts remind me of Mushfiqur Rahim's famous celebration.

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    According to DAWN no mention of Pakistan so far, only Iraq and Korea etc

    I'd advise my Indian friends to hold their laughter till it's official.

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    https://www.dawn.com/news/1391200/no...lenary-meeting

    No mention so far of Pakistan in FATF's public announcements following plenary meeting


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    According to DAWN no mention of Pakistan so far, only Iraq and Korea etc

    I'd advise my Indian friends to hold their laughter till it's official.
    The laughter isn't really about the outcome, but about Pakistani posters and more astoundingly your Foreign Office celebrating too early, and spreading what now seem to be fake reports. Here's Pakistan's official stance on these reports today. From "we have been saved" to "we are yet to be informed"...doesn't look too promising.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    The laughter isn't really about the outcome, but about Pakistani posters and more astoundingly your Foreign Office celebrating too early, and spreading what now seem to be fake reports. Here's Pakistan's official stance on these reports today. From "we have been saved" to "we are yet to be informed"...doesn't look too promising.


    Can add the second tweet also...




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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    These two posts remind me of Mushfiqur Rahim's famous celebration.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    These two posts remind me of Mushfiqur Rahim's famous celebration.
    Hahahaha your celebrations are the ones that fell flat on their face


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    Why is the Indian media so petty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    Congrats.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oxfordchamp View Post
    This is pure gold indeed...lol...it's been confirmed that pak put back on terror financing watchlist..huge embarrassment that The only country that voted in favour of Pakistan was Turkey. Not even traditional friends and allies like China voted in favour of Pakistan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reddy View Post
    LOOL, Even China ditched the Pakistani Army, now where are all the chest thumpers
    Quote Originally Posted by Test champion View Post
    Dost dost na rha ......
    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    These two posts remind me of Mushfiqur Rahim's famous celebration.

    Indian media is pathetic but no doubt that few indians are more pathetic thn thre media.
    kidos, you need to learn something about geopolitics of this region.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    Indian media is pathetic but no doubt that few indians are more pathetic thn thre media.
    kidos, you need to learn something about geopolitics of this region.
    https://t.co/E7EEOftCU8?amp=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxfordchamp View Post
    is BBC lying ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    is BBC lying ?
    Is WSJ lying? Anyways the point is Russia didnot support Pakistan. Why are you guys so desperate huh? Lying and claiming Russian support when its clear that Russia isnt going to support Pakistan over India. They have a huge military and strategic relation with India to nurture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Can add the second tweet also...


    And Khawaja Asif is allowed to tweet regarding FATF proceedings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post




    https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/wit...mpression=true

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    And Khawaja Asif is allowed to tweet regarding FATF proceedings?
    Oh I'm no fan of Khawaja Asif but when there's 1/2 written in a Tweet, I think it's best to read both.

    Either way, don't see why everyone was trying to score points from both sides (media etc.). If Pakistan is on the list, so be it and if not, so be it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Oh I'm no fan of Khawaja Asif but when there's 1/2 written in a Tweet, I think it's best to read both.

    Either way, don't see why everyone was trying to score points from both sides (media etc.). If Pakistan is on the list, so be it and if not, so be it.
    I was basically trying to know the logic of Pak Def Min complaining regarding plenary details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Not surprised that China supported Pak. China needs Pak to counter India and also protect its own investments in Pak.

    Russia from what I am reading is slowly tilting towards Pak. India favoring US and European nations is not to the liking of Russians.
    What did i tell you regarding the Russian support claims by Pakistan?

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    Is this guy credible?

    https://twitter.com/AajKamranKhan/st...89451104112640

    Can anyone help embed the tweet?

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    For those Pak chest thumpers, name coming for their country for this forum itself is massive embarrassing. Still desicion not confirmed but they will put on this whatchlist from June onwards. Pakistan so called all weather friend China and gulf cooperation council withdrawn support to Pakistan is massive falls of foreign policy

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    yaar, cmon you know how the game is played. Actually if you think about it, we are actually following down a similar path to your country. Ok its taken a bit of time but eight years of continuous non martial law governance has finally created a situation where we are going for a more independent foreign policy.

    We are not going to lose our relationship with the americans. Its just not going to happen anytime soon no matter what anybody thinks. We will also start to cultivate a better relationship with the Russians and yes they'll support us at times and other times (weapon sales ) they wont.. this is all part of the new game in the region.

    Moving on to this FATF stuff, I think the americans are getting desperate. I actually think Modi sahib is playing a nice little game here. Dont be surprised if after the next elections India and Pakistan suddenly start having a few diplomatic chats. I wont be surprised. The US is ripe for getting backstabbed and marginalised in the region. Sooner or later the countries of the region will make their moves.
    TGK bhai

    Russia didnot side with Pakistan. They know any such support will alieniate India from the Russian sphere of influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxfordchamp View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Is WSJ lying? Anyways the point is Russia didnot support Pakistan. Why are you guys so desperate huh? Lying and claiming Russian support when its clear that Russia isnt going to support Pakistan over India. They have a huge military and strategic relation with India to nurture.
    Quote Originally Posted by Test champion View Post
    For those Pak chest thumpers, name coming for their country for this forum itself is massive embarrassing. Still desicion not confirmed but they will put on this whatchlist from June onwards. Pakistan so called all weather friend China and gulf cooperation council withdrawn support to Pakistan is massive falls of foreign policy
    Outcomes FATF Plenary, 21-23 February 2018

    from FATF official source:

    http://www.fatf-gafi.org/publication...uary-2018.html

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    @ post# 76, tell me wheres the name "pakistan" in the outcome meeting ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    @ post# 76, tell me wheres the name "pakistan" in the outcome meeting ?
    Do read the articles. WSJ Bloomberg all are lying right?

    Even if i consider for the sake of argument that Pakistan isnt on the list, No one mentions any Russian support.

    https://twitter.com/AajKamranKhan/st...89451104112640

    Btw this guy is Pakistani.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Do read the articles. WSJ Bloomberg all are lying right?

    Even if i consider for the sake of argument that Pakistan isnt on the list, No one mentions any Russian support.

    https://twitter.com/AajKamranKhan/st...89451104112640

    Btw this guy is Pakistani.
    I can say same about NDTV anchors too what you are saying about kamran khan.
    but what about the BBC source thn ?

    our media is as rubbish as yours.

    we was on they grey list from 2013 to 2015, us waqt kia ukhaar liya US/UK or India nay ? NOTHING.

    indians are jumping up and down only NOW becoz they didnt know about it. becoz thre media didnt tell them about it.

    as for NOW, you can read official source - No one mentiond the name pakistan here.

    Outcomes FATF Plenary, 21-23 February 2018

    from FATF official source:

    http://www.fatf-gafi.org/publication...uary-2018.html

    even if they want to put us on grey list next time, i said go for direct black list instead grey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    I can say same about NDTV anchors too what you are saying about kamran khan.
    but what about the BBC source thn ?

    our media is as rubbish as yours.

    we was on they grey list from 2013 to 2015, us waqt kia ukhaar liya US/UK or India nay ? NOTHING.

    indians are jumping up and down only NOW becoz they didnt know about it. becoz thre media didnt tell them about it.

    as for NOW, you can read official source - No one mentiond the name pakistan here.

    Outcomes FATF Plenary, 21-23 February 2018

    from FATF official source:

    http://www.fatf-gafi.org/publication...uary-2018.html

    even if they want to put us on grey list next time, i said go for direct black list instead grey.
    Lol ok desicion is still pending .let's not talk about that but Pakistan name came for this resolution itself is massive gulf between India and Pakistan. There something is going wrong in this country therefore name come for this whatchlist.


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