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    I’m loving the damage control by Indians. Talk about ascending their odium to cloud 99 and bringing them back down to Earth in seconds. Debris from spaces doesn't fall as fast!

    Loving it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test champion View Post
    Lol ok desicion is still pending .let's not talk about that but Pakistan name came for this resolution itself is massive gulf between India and Pakistan. There something is going wrong in this country therefore name come for this whatchlist.
    in case you didnt read what you quote,
    as i said pakistan was in the grey list from 2013 to 2015. so what more worse US/Uk can do now ? put it again on grey list. THATS ALL ?
    its all about geopolitics and arm twisting.

    and whats India gt to do with it ? we give dyum about what india think of us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    go ahead..
    thats was my first post on this thread. becoz i knw even if they put the name in the list. it doesnt matter. but indians didnt know about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    in case you didnt read what you quote,
    as i said pakistan was in the grey list from 2013 to 2015. so what more worse US/Uk can do now ? put it again on grey list. THATS ALL ?
    its all about geopolitics and arm twisting.

    and whats India gt to do with it ? we give dyum about what india think of us.
    This type denial mode attitude of Ur country show what you have facing right now .what me or you think don't matter but what the world think about us that's a lot matter ,ask your country government what pressure they have facing right now .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    I can say same about NDTV anchors too what you are saying about kamran khan.
    but what about the BBC source thn ?

    our media is as rubbish as yours.

    we was on they grey list from 2013 to 2015, us waqt kia ukhaar liya US/UK or India nay ? NOTHING.

    indians are jumping up and down only NOW becoz they didnt know about it. becoz thre media didnt tell them about it.

    as for NOW, you can read official source - No one mentiond the name pakistan here.

    Outcomes FATF Plenary, 21-23 February 2018

    from FATF official source:

    http://www.fatf-gafi.org/publication...uary-2018.html

    even if they want to put us on grey list next time, i said go for direct black list instead grey.
    Bloomberg and WSJ are very credible. While bbc world is quite credible i have little idea about bbc urdu.

    2012 was a different time and now is a different time. The is of significance and thats why Pakistan was scrambling to save it self.

    Now please tell where is the RUSSIAN support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    I’m loving the damage control by Indians. Talk about ascending their odium to cloud 99 and bringing them back down to Earth in seconds. Debris from spaces doesn't fall as fast!

    Loving it.
    A motion sponsored and moved by US UK Germany is now about Indians. Try harder salty guy.

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    Bloomberg is credible when information eludes to anti-Pakistan sentiment, but when supportive of Pakistan, Bloomberg doesn't cut the mustard, such as when highlighting how Pakistan is superior to Indian and Bangladeshi economies. BBC is anti-Indian, this is a fact, but it's credible.

    Got it, selective sources!


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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    Bloomberg is credible when information eludes to anti-Pakistan sentiment, but when supportive of Pakistan, Bloomberg doesn't cut the mustard, such as when highlighting how Pakistan is superior to Indian and Bangladeshi economies. BBC is anti-Indian, this is a fact, but it's credible.

    Got it, selective sources!

    Okay .. here is the link to Pak Media..

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1643185...ing-list-june/

    But I honestly don't see what India gains from this apart from notoriety for Pakistan, which it has already has.. If Indians want to see Pakistan go down, then this step should not be taken.. Let Hafeez, Dawood etc to be there in the country and rot them from inside.. So if India is evil, this step makes no sense to them. If India is evil and cunning they would make lots of noise about Hafeez, Dawood and other terorists but won't do anything about it... Pakistan won't get rid of them and honestly that is bad for Pakistan not for India. India will have to live with occasional attacks which happen anyway and the organizations that Hafeez and his ilk nurture will hurt Pakistan more than India

    On the other hand, US will gain a lot as this provides them enough leverage to arm twist pakistan when Pakistan goes begging for more loans. Pakistan doesn't go asking for loan with India and so India has no leverage and won't gain anything from this move.

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    Pakistani media now reporting.

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1643185...ing-list-june/

    Pakistan to go on FATF terror financing list in June

    The Financial Action Task Force on Friday decided to place Pakistan back on its terror financing watch-list on a list of countries that financially aid terrorism with effect from June but Islamabad believed the decision was politically motivated that may affect its future cooperation.

    Despite initially agreeing to Pakistan’s viewpoint, the FATF Plenary decided to place the country on the Grey List from June, confirmed a senior government official who attended FATF meetings in Paris, France. Pakistan was previously on the Grey List from 2012 to 2015.

    The federal government does not see any major impact of the FATF’s decision on its economy and the country’s de-facto finance minister said that during 2012 to 2015 period, Pakistan signed agreements with the International Monetary Fund and issued sovereign bonds in international capital markets.
    Sources claim Pakistan back on FATF watch-list, govt says no ‘official intimation’ yet

    Pakistan’s financial system was strong and its anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism financing regimes were among the most stringent in the world, said Dr Miftah Ismail.

    The decision is seen as being against the norms of the FATF and its sister organisations, as the country’s Mutual Evaluation – a process of assessing levels of implementation of FATF recommendations, was currently undergoing.

    The Mutual Evaluations also provide an in-depth description and analysis of each country’s system for preventing criminal abuse of the financial system.

    The decision to place a member country on the FATF list is usually taken in light of the Mutual Evaluation, so FATF’s latest move suggests that Pakistan was falling victim to international politics, government officials said while requesting anonymity.

    “Pakistan has serious concerns and objections to the introduction of this new nomination procedure, which is unprecedented and in clear violation of the established rules and practices of FATF”, the FO spokesman said on Friday.

    Most of the concerns raised by the US regarding deficiencies in our Counter Financing Terrorism and Anti money laundering regime had already been addressed in 2015, when Pakistan was taken off the “grey list”.

    Where from here

    Now, FATF would require Pakistan to submit an Action Plan in May in order to be removed from the list in the coming months or years. Once the FATF approves this Action Plan in June, there will be a formal announcement from FATF about placing Pakistan on the Grey List.

    If Pakistan fails to submit a plan, the FATF has the option of placing the country on its Black List, which carries adverse implications. This limits Pakistan’s ability to decide whether it should cooperate with the FATF or not due to the global body’s ‘unjust decision’.

    The US and UK jointly submitted a resolution to the FATF nominating Pakistan for placement in the Grey List. France and Germany subsequently joined this nomination.

    Reforms issues

    The Financial Action Task Force (FATF) is the global standard setting body for anti-money laundering and combating the financing of terrorism (AML/CFT).

    About two and half years ago, the global body had struck off Pakistan’s name after the country agreed to take actions against Hafiz Saeed’s Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) and the Falah-e-Insaniyat Foundation (FIF) and Lashakar Tayiba.

    However, some of these actions remained pending, and Pakistan only finished checking the off about two months ago. During the International Country Risk Guide (ICRG) session that took place a day before FATF plenary, some member countries had raised the question that there was no analysis available to judge Pakistan’s action, said the officials.

    Upon this Adviser to Prime Minister on Finance Dr Miftah Ismail offered that Pakistan was ready to submit a report on its action plan and after that the FATF should take the decision, the officials said. At that point, Japan supported Pakistan’s view that action should be taken on the basis of the evidence.

    The ICRG agreed to this proposal that Pakistan would take certain measures to address the international community’s concerns and in light of those measures the FATF should take steps in future, according to the officials.

    China also advised Pakistan to sign an agreement with the FATF on the measures that it would take in next three months, said the officials.

    The pre plenary meeting ended on this positive note and this was also the reason behind Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif’s tweet in which he announced that FATF deferred the decision for three months and asked the Asia Pacific Group for another report on Pakistan, according to the officials.

    However, to the surprise of Pakistani authorities, the US used its influence and turned the tables on Pakistan by influencing the other countries and to have them to first analyze the actions that Pakistan has already taken, according to the people who attended the meeting.

    The FATF decided to place Pakistan on the grey list on the undue pressure from the United States, according to Pakistani authorities. They claim that during the meeting when the representative of Gulf Cooperation Council raised hand to speak, the US representative rushed to the GCC seat and asked the representative not to speak, according to the officials.

    The FATF decision, which is against its norms, could frustrate Pakistan’s genuine efforts and the government will decide whether it should cooperate with a global body that is playing in the hands of the US, said the Pakistani authorities.

    The officials said that the only weak area was that Pakistani courts were convicting terrorists but were not imposing fines on them on charges of terrorism financing.

    Tweet too soon

    On February 20, Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif had claimed on Twitter that there was no consensus for nominating Pakistan for listing, and that a three-month pause had been proposed. He also said that listing would be reconsidered in June.

    Foreign analysts suggested that the late push against Pakistan may have been provoked by the leaking of information from the FATF meeting, with some pointing specifically to Asif’s tweet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    I really dont understand why you and other Indians seem to think this will make any real difference for your country?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gubol123 View Post
    Okay .. here is the link to Pak Media..



    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1643185...ing-list-june/

    But I honestly don't see what India gains from this apart from notoriety for Pakistan, which it has already has.. If Indians want to see Pakistan go down, then this step should not be taken.. Let Hafeez, Dawood etc to be there in the country and rot them from inside.. So if India is evil, this step makes no sense to them. If India is evil and cunning they would make lots of noise about Hafeez, Dawood and other terorists but won't do anything about it... Pakistan won't get rid of them and honestly that is bad for Pakistan not for India. India will have to live with occasional attacks which happen anyway and the organizations that Hafeez and his ilk nurture will hurt Pakistan more than India

    On the other hand, US will gain a lot as this provides them enough leverage to arm twist pakistan when Pakistan goes begging for more loans. Pakistan doesn't go asking for loan with India and so India has no leverage and won't gain anything from this move.
    Here is another link to Pak media.

    Russia, China save the day for Pakistan at FATF

    ISLAMABAD - New friend Russia and iron brother China saved the day for Pakistan at the Financial Action Task Force moot in Paris as Islamabad temporarily averted an embarrassing terror tag.
    https://nation.com.pk/22-Feb-2018/ru...n-at-fatf-moot

    What does India gain? India was hoping the world would add Pakistan to the terrorist watch list so that India could continue it's narrative against Pakistan and boast about worldwide support. India needs all the help it can get.

    As for Hafeez, when Modi can be exonerated by the Indian Supreme court, despite the evidence, despite the West banning him from entering the West after Gujarat, then India doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to Hafeez.

    Dawood on the other, if India believes he is in Pakistan, then why not ask for assistance, it's been 20 odd years right? Or are we lead to believe India is bricking against Pakistani authorities? Wouldn't be the first time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I really dont understand why you and other Indians seem to think this will make any real difference for your country?
    Chk posts by lone warrior and paklfc. They dragged India where India was not even involved.

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    First Pakistani posters say go ahead and place us on the list...we dont care...

    Next their government tries their best to see that they are not listed...they lobby hard with some friendly nations...so posters who said we don't care get egg on their faces...

    As usual, Pakistani diplomatic efforts fail and it's listed...but pak media and posters here are in denial mode..they trust their government tweets more than credible international sources...posters here make fun of Indian and international media and claim that they have celebrated prematurely...

    Finally truth comes out in Pakistan media as well saying they have been blacklisted beginning in June..
    To that posters now claim that the listing doesn't affect Pakistan at all...lol..and finally they don't care about the listing at all...

    Hope the saner folks here realise the facts here...

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    No one wants to talk about Russia?

    Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    No one wants to talk about Russia?

    Sad.
    I am surprised that even China withdrew their opposition to the motion, never expected that. It seems Khawaja Asif did a Mushfiqur thanking the "iron brothers" prematurely.

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    ISLAMABAD: Confusion about whether or not Pakistan has been put on a ‘grey list’ by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) continued on Friday as a public statement by the international watchdog announcing the outcomes of its plenary session held in Paris this week remained silent on the US move to put the country on the watchlist.

    Pakistan does not feature on the list of countries with strategic deficiencies posing a risk to the international financial system issued along with the FATF statement following the meeting.

    The list now features nine countries Ethiopia, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Serbia, Sri Lanka, Trinidad and Tabago, Vanuatu and Tunisia, while Bosnia and Herzegovina has been moved to the white list.

    Islamabad set to be ‘grey listed’ in June after US succeeds in persuading China and Saudi Arabia to drop their opposition in second vote

    The absence of Pakistan’s name from the list of “Jurisdictions with strategic anti-money laundering / countering the financing of terrorism deficiencies for which they have developed an action plan with the FATF”, posted on the official website of the watchdog following the plenary session, indicates that Pakistan has apparently survived the attempt to put it on the watchlist that could have had serious economic repercussions for the country.

    However, a top official privy to the development confirmed to Dawn that the US succeeded in calling a second vote on Thursday night for its motion to ‘grey list’ Pakistan at the FATF plenary meeting during which China and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia changed their earlier stance by remaining silent. The only country left opposing the motion was Turkey which was indicated by a statement shared by Interior Minister Ahsan Iqbal on Twitter. “Thank you Turkey for standing with Pakistan against all odds and proving that we are one. We are proud to have a brother like you.”

    An earlier discussion on the motion, held on Tuesday, saw opposition from China, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, causing the motion to fail.

    Back in Pakistan, the government remained silent on the matter as confusion prevailed throughout the day following reports in Indian media that Pakistan had indeed been grey listed, despite Foreign Minister Khwaja Asif’s claims shared over twitter that the country had earned a three-month reprieve. Those reports were followed by more in the international media claiming the same thing, and sourcing their information to highly placed diplomats directly in the know.

    But the statement released by FATF following the plenary meetings later in the evening made no mention of Pakistan, fuelling the confusion and talk that these stories were all wrong.

    Later in the evening, Adviser to the Prime Minister on Finance, Miftah Ismail, who has been leading Pakistan’s diplomacy to defeat the motion sponsored by the US went on air to confirm that the motion had indeed passed. This happened following an extraordinary second vote that the US managed to arrange on Thursday night, two days after the motion had been defeated in the first round of discussion, a top official confirmed to Dawn.

    Pakistan is now set to be ‘grey listed’ by FATF in June, meaning its financial system will be designated as posing a risk to the international financial system because of “strategic deficiencies” in its ability to prevent terror financing and money laundering. In the meantime, the government will work with FATF to build an “action plan” to plug the deficiencies identified by the watchdog, which will be put up for approval by consensus in the June session. After that, implementation of the plan will begin, monitored by the Asia Pacific Group, a part of the global FATF network.

    If there is a failure to build consensus on the action plan, Pakistan could be black listed by FATF, a status currently applied only to Iran and North Korea.

    The country spent three years on the grey list between 2012 and 2015, without the designation affecting its ability to float international bonds, borrow from multilateral bodies, receive or send remittances or conduct international trade.

    The status does little more than raising the compliance burden on counterparts, such as correspondent banks, dealing with entities within Pakistan’s financial system, and therefore attaches an additional cost to many external sector transactions.

    The US and the UK had jointly moved the FATF nominating Pakistan for placement on the “grey list” and were subsequently joined by France and Germany. The accusation against Pakistan was that it had not taken action on some of the entities and individuals designated as terrorists by the UN Security Council Resolution 1267. More specifically the concern was about Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Falah-i-Insaniyat Foundation being allowed to operate in the country, and Hafiz Saeed being free to organise rallies and raise funds.

    Pakistan believes that the move was politically motivated.

    “Pakistan has serious concerns over and objections to the introduction of this new “nomination” procedure, which is unprecedented and in clear violation of established rules/practices of FATF. Most of the concerns raised by the US side regarding deficiencies in our CFT/AML regime had already been addressed in 2015 when Pakistan got an exit from the grey list,” said FO spokesman Dr Mohammad Faisal.

    Days before the FATF meeting, Pakistan took important policy decisions by amending the anti-terror legislation through a presidential ordinance to include all UN-listed individuals and groups in the national listings of proscribed outfits and persons.

    Similarly, an announcement was made to deploy troops in Saudi Arabia to meet a key demand of the kingdom in an effort to get the crucial Gulf Cooperation Council vote at the FATF. The diplomatic outreach was commenced to foil the Western bid believed to have been made at India’s behest. A report of actions taken by Pakistan government to comply with FATF requirements was also presented at the Paris plenary.

    While the foreign minister on Tuesday night, after the first discussion of the motion, sent a celebratory tweet announcing a three-month pause on the US-led move, in which he thanked the countries which supported Pakistan, by Thursday everything had changed.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1391342/pa...y-list-in-june


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Chk posts by lone warrior and paklfc. They dragged India where India was not even involved.
    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    No one wants to talk about Russia?

    Sad.
    my source was this, THE NEWS a pakistani source. same as express tribune that u used is a pakistani source.

    https://nation.com.pk/22-Feb-2018/ru...n-at-fatf-moot

    Now sue to them.

    i havent drag india. i only said about russia based on this news source . now i dont know now a days russia = India. sorry Sar.


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    i repeat it again. we was on the grey list before. to sums it up, jack happend.
    i say go for direct black list.

    as far as 2018 meetings.
    everyone is quoting some news sources and no one is looking for official source. heres the official source and it didnt mention pakistan anywhere. people are welcomed to share the official sources.

    Outcomes FATF Plenary, 21-23 February 2018

    from FATF official source:



    http://www.fatf-gafi.org/publication...uary-2018.html

    @UN talkz @Abdullah179 @hadi123

    mods plz update the thread title. thanks
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    Pakistan will expedite steps to curb terror financing: interior minister

    Interior Minister Ahsan Iqbal on Saturday — a day after Pakistan avoided ending up on a terror watch list by a global task force — said that the government will expedite steps to curb terror financing and money laundering.

    Pakistan's performance in the war against terrorism was better than others', but it still faced pressure from Washington, the minister said.

    Pakistan on Friday escaped a motion to put it on a 'grey list' by the Financial Action Task Force, which met in Paris. The US and Britain had jointly submitted a letter to the FATF, nominating it for placement on the watch list.

    Pakistan was on the list from 2012-2015 and feared a return would deter foreign investment and hurt access to international financial markets.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1391422/pa...erior-minister


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    When Pakistan should be competing with India, Malaysia, Singapore or other countries in Asia for having the better economy etc they are instead having to work hard to stay off a terror watch list... I am sorry to say Pakistan, is a lost cause, it is too late, it will go the way it is with the odd small UPS here and there but wont have anything meaningful...


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    It was big mistake sending this bonga khwaja Asif and putting him in this key position

    He has a big mouth that runs too much, his intitial claims now have embarrassingly backfired .


    I think time is now we declare USA an open enemy like Iran have done and cut of all ties with this country , I say bring on the sanctions if grass needs to be eaten let it be eaten .

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbon11 View Post
    It was big mistake sending this bonga khwaja Asif and putting him in this key position

    He has a big mouth that runs too much, his intitial claims now have embarrassingly backfired .


    I think time is now we declare USA an open enemy like Iran have done and cut of all ties with this country , I say bring on the sanctions if grass needs to be eaten let it be eaten .
    well Im glad your not running our foreign office. this was actually a good result. An attempt by the US to sure up its south asian new ally by screwing over its old one was stopped in its tracks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    well Im glad your not running our foreign office. this was actually a good result. An attempt by the US to sure up its south asian new ally by screwing over its old one was stopped in its tracks.
    Khan bhai how was this stopped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    my source was this, THE NEWS a pakistani source. same as express tribune that u used is a pakistani source.

    https://nation.com.pk/22-Feb-2018/ru...n-at-fatf-moot

    Now sue to them.

    i havent drag india. i only said about russia based on this news source . now i dont know now a days russia = India. sorry Sar.
    So you agree that the pakistani media were lying. Russia didnot oppose the motion. Why sue someone when they are the laughing stock of the world. How desperate are you people trying to claim Russian support.lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    i repeat it again. we was on the grey list before. to sums it up, jack happend.
    i say go for direct black list.

    as far as 2018 meetings.
    everyone is quoting some news sources and no one is looking for official source. heres the official source and it didnt mention pakistan anywhere. people are welcomed to share the official sources.

    Outcomes FATF Plenary, 21-23 February 2018

    from FATF official source:



    http://www.fatf-gafi.org/publication...uary-2018.html

    @UN talkz @Abdullah179 @hadi123

    mods plz update the thread title. thanks
    All the media organisation are fools except you. Your PMs advisor has conceded that Pakistan indeed will be placed on the list in june.

    Yea, you are right. You guys got jjacked, thats why the desperate attempt to stall the motion.

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    Pak is a survivor. There are good times ahead for Pakistan, insha Allah. Nothing is ever a lost cause for the Muslim, nothing!. We need a total clear up in politics and free ourselves completely from American dictations by forming new alliances. Eagerly awaiting a new government or a caretaker one to take charge. Place Pak on whatever list they want, we've been their before.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    So you agree that the pakistani media were lying. Russia didnot oppose the motion. Why sue someone when they are the laughing stock of the world. How desperate are you people trying to claim Russian support.lol.
    you do need MANY times you ToI etc lied to your people. even ToI is laughing stock for indians forget the world.


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    “Pakistan vigorously tried to avoid inclusion to the list and said the U.S. had voiced concerns about the freedom with which the suspected planner of the 2008 Mumbai attacks, Hafiz Saeed, and his organizations operated in the country.

    Last week, Pakistan announced that it changed a law and now allowed its security forces to take action against groups on the UN Security Council list -- such as Saeed’s charities which are alleged fronts for militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba. It also seized dozens of offices, buildings, seminaries and ambulances belonging to Saeed’s Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation.”



    From the snippet of the article I pasted above if true Im a little baffled about how it mentions that Pakistan after getting notice they are going to be on the list, Pakistan claims it created a new law and now they have the ability to capture suspected groups on the Un terror list. Shouldn’t it be a matter of national policy one would wonder rather than wait for a law to be created on the fly ? Not sure what to believe.

    I’m thinking whether being on this list will in reality do anything to influence Pakustan to capture the likes of Hafiz or can Pakistan bank on countries like China to bail them out....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    All the media organisation are fools except you. Your PMs advisor has conceded that Pakistan indeed will be placed on the list in june.

    Yea, you are right. You guys got jjacked, thats why the desperate attempt to stall the motion.
    Dheeraj rakho bhayya jara dheeraj rakho, shanti shanti..

    i am giving you the OFFICIAL SOURCE.
    and you are not able to comment regarding thre announcement.

    http://www.fatf-gafi.org/publication...uary-2018.html

    so who are they ? fool ? you wana belive on media while an organisation released its OFFICIAL announcement ?
    i say you should SUE them too.

    you dont get it dude. its not we who didnt got jacked,but the world got JACKED last time when they put us on grey list back 2013.
    even if they put us again. YOU will gt Jack again. so take a chill pill.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    you do need MANY times you ToI etc lied to your people. even ToI is laughing stock for indians forget the world.
    So your chest thumping on gaining Russian support has become the classical "chhati peet ke rona"

    Poor you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    Dheeraj rakho bhayya jara dheeraj rakho, shanti shanti..

    i am giving you the OFFICIAL SOURCE.
    and you are not able to comment regarding thre announcement.

    http://www.fatf-gafi.org/publication...uary-2018.html

    so who are they ? fool ? you wana belive on media while an organisation released its OFFICIAL announcement ?
    i say you should SUE them too.

    you dont get it dude. its not we who didnt got jacked,but the world got JACKED last time when they put us on grey list back 2013.
    even if they put us again. YOU will gt Jack again. so take a chill pill.
    Head in the sand or just too embarassed to accept.

    Why has your PMs advisor conceded that Pakistan will be on that list in June?

    WSJ Bloomberg Reuters all are reporting this. Denying it wont change it. In june the list will have Pakistans name. Dawn has even explained the exact procedure.

    Lol. World got jacked. LMAO. What a joke....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    So your chest thumping on gaining Russian support has become the classical "chhati peet ke rona"

    Poor you.
    nah, we dont act like some "Dehati Aurat" infront of the world. its the usual case for our one neighbouring country only.

    btw your media is also garbage case -
    some "classic" examples , remember this.


    Indian media: Russians have cancelled the military exercise after URI Attack


    In an apparent fallout of Uri terror attack, Russia has called off its joint military exercise with Pakistan, CNN-News 18 reported on Monday. Russia’s move is a big diplomatic gain for India as the latter had decided to isolate Pakistan at international level, blah blah blah
    http://www.financialexpress.com/indi...kistan/382372/

    thn this happend -

    First Russia-Pakistan Druzhba-2016 Military Drills Kick Off..

    https://sputniknews.com/asia/2016092...rills-defense/



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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Head in the sand or just too embarassed to accept.

    Why has your PMs advisor conceded that Pakistan will be on that list in June?

    WSJ Bloomberg Reuters all are reporting this. Denying it wont change it. In june the list will have Pakistans name. Dawn has even explained the exact procedure.

    Lol. World got jacked. LMAO. What a joke....
    SUE them, go ahead.

    https://twitter.com/FATFNews/status/967046039202037760

    http://www.fatf-gafi.org/publication...uary-2018.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    nah, we dont act like some "Dehati Aurat" infront of the world. its the usual case for our one neighbouring country only.

    btw your media is also garbage case -
    some "classic" examples , remember this.


    Indian media: Russians have cancelled the military exercise after URI Attack




    http://www.financialexpress.com/indi...kistan/382372/

    thn this happend -

    First Russia-Pakistan Druzhba-2016 Military Drills Kick Off..

    https://sputniknews.com/asia/2016092...rills-defense/



    We saw who acted as "dehati aurat" and showed fake photos at UN trying to gain sympathy. Was ruthlessly exposed. Thats the level of our neighbouring country.


    Nice try at spin.

    https://m.hindustantimes.com/world-n...VUMTFdcVI.html


    Pakistan tried to be clever and scheduled a part if exercise in Rattu in PoK. Russians simply cancelled that leg. That was being reported. Nice try though.

    Just like Pakistan claimed Russia will sell Su 35 or that russia will mediate in kashmir, Russians had to come out officially and reject all this.

    What desperate attempt to claim Russian support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    We saw who acted as "dehati aurat" and showed fake photos at UN trying to gain sympathy. Was ruthlessly exposed. Thats the level of our neighbouring country.


    Nice try at spin.

    https://m.hindustantimes.com/world-n...VUMTFdcVI.html


    Pakistan tried to be clever and scheduled a part if exercise in Rattu in PoK. Russians simply cancelled that leg. That was being reported. Nice try though.

    Just like Pakistan claimed Russia will sell Su 35 or that russia will mediate in kashmir, Russians had to come out officially and reject all this.

    What desperate attempt to claim Russian support?
    now start changing the goal posts and twisting the words. Good.
    your media posted that russia wont send thre contingent for Drill, now after they sent thre contingent, thn indian media start saying it was meant for PoK and all sh!z and stuff.

    now you start talking again about su-35, it was russian media which started first, not pakistani media.


    Pakistan, Russia Negotiating Deal on Russian Su-35, Su-37 Jets

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201...ightersu-jets/

    Now SUE them too


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    now start changing the goal posts and twisting the words. Good.
    your media posted that russia wont send thre contingent for Drill, now after they sent thre contingent, thn indian media start saying it was meant for PoK and all sh!z and stuff.

    now you start talking again about su-35, it was russian media which started first, not pakistani media.


    Pakistan, Russia Negotiating Deal on Russian Su-35, Su-37 Jets

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201...ightersu-jets/

    Now SUE them too
    The Russians didnot send contingent to PoK and cancelled that leg. Didnt they?


    Islamabad and Moscow are negotiating a deal on Su-35 and Su-37 jets, Shahab Qadir Khan, deputy director of export promotion services in the Pakistani Defense Export Promotion Organization, told Sputnik.
    It was a Pakistani who made the claim to russian media.

    Such desperate attempts to claim Russian support.

    Talking of China Pak Iran Russia axis i hear. What day dreams lol. Its not even funny anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The Russians didnot send contingent to PoK and cancelled that leg. Didnt they?



    It was a Pakistani who made the claim to russian media.

    Such desperate attempts to claim Russian support.

    Talking of China Pak Iran Russia axis i hear. What day dreams lol. Its not even funny anymore.
    lol. You're a much bigger nation, more money, more arms , more soldiers yet you want the rest of the world to be on your side and sideline Pakistan for you. Are you not embarrased?


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    The Russians didnot send contingent to PoK and cancelled that leg. Didnt they?

    In an apparent fallout of Uri terror attack, Russia has called off its joint military exercise with Pakistan, CNN-News 18 reported on Monday. Russia’s move is a big diplomatic gain for India as the latter had decided to isolate Pakistan at international level. The move comes just a day after 18 soldiers of Indian Army were martyred in a cowardly attack by four highly armed terrorists at an Army camp in Jammu&Kashmir’s Uri district. Earlier, India had urged Russia to reconsider its decision to hold joint military drills with Pakistan. Pakistan and Russia were scheduled to conduct the ‘Druzhba-2016’ tactical exercises from September 24-October 7 in Rattu and Cherat. The Indian External Affairs Ministry had sent a letter to Kremlin soon after the Islamabad confirmed about excercise. In its letter, India said that Moscow should keep New Delhi’s sensitivity in mind while conducting joint military drills with Pakistan.
    http://www.financialexpress.com/indi...kistan/382372/

    first you media said they wont send russian contingent to pakistan. the excercise is cancelled. no mention of Pok and all stuff from media.
    but when russia sent thre contingent to pakistan, your media twisted it with not sending in Pok and all.


    It was a Pakistani who made the claim to russian media.

    Such desperate attempts to claim Russian support.
    .
    Sputniknews is run by russian govt. they should have verified it before posting it online. you should SUE the russian govt too.


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    At the end of the day what matters is none of Pakistani so called friends could not prevent it from getting listed...what's the use of proclamation if friendship if they can't help when most needed..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxfordchamp View Post
    At the end of the day what matters is none of Pakistani so called friends could not prevent it from getting listed...what's the use of proclamation if friendship if they can't help when most needed..
    Maybe because it makes no difference to anything?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    lol. You're a much bigger nation, more money, more arms , more soldiers yet you want the rest of the world to be on your side and sideline Pakistan for you. Are you not embarrased?
    If it was a general question, I'd say I literally do not anyone in the world who wouldn't want more people on their side. What's embarrassing about wanting people on your side?

    Now, in this particular instance, I have no idea why you're trying to bring India in this discussion. The move was sponsored by the western powers, not India. Your Lords and Masters, China and Saudi Arabia, were supposed to save you from the humiliation, but instead they showed you the middle finger. What can India do about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by English August View Post
    If it was a general question, I'd say I literally do not anyone in the world who wouldn't want more people on their side. What's embarrassing about wanting people on your side?

    Now, in this particular instance, I have no idea why you're trying to bring India in this discussion. The move was sponsored by the western powers, not India. Your Lords and Masters, China and Saudi Arabia, were supposed to save you from the humiliation, but instead they showed you the middle finger. What can India do about that?
    What humiliation?lol Pakistan have been on lists before, they have been criticised openly for 16 years now on the same subject. The US is still giving hundreds of millions of dollars to the people they claim are sponsoring terrorism. It's all political pandering to the voters, the US wants to be seen as being strong on this issue but then privately tell Pakistan to keep taking the money. These kind of moves mean nothing in reality, unless you can tell me what will change?

    I was referring to joshilabhai who always wants other nations to back up what India desires. You wont see Pakistan doing this against say Afghanistan. They are smaller so Pakistan will go and do what it likes inside their country if there is a security threat, India cannot do this to Pakistan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Maybe because it makes no difference to anything?
    Yes..for you guys, honestly it doesn't matter anymore..a person fully immersed in water cannot feel cold anymore..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Maybe because it makes no difference to anything?
    Then why the desperate diplomatic efforts by Pakistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Then why the desperate diplomatic efforts by Pakistan?
    lol. Thats what they get are paid for. They will also go home and sleep well because they know this makes little difference to the ground realities.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    lol. Thats what they get are paid for. They will also go home and sleep well because they know this makes little difference to the ground realities.
    Lol. They get paid for running and literally begging countries to vote for them. LMAO.

    You have no idea do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Lol. They get paid for running and literally begging countries to vote for them. LMAO.

    You have no idea do you?
    lol Nobody begs as much as the Indians. You have been begging the Americans ever since the Mumbai attacks to help you against a smaller nation.

    Diplomats get paid to refute allegations, this is politics. No Indian on this thread has yet to explain what difference this will make? I dont think you have any idea too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxfordchamp View Post
    Yes..for you guys, honestly it doesn't matter anymore..a person fully immersed in water cannot feel cold anymore..
    OMG. This in one line sums up the thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by zizour View Post
    OMG. This in one line sums up the thread
    OMG? lol

    As a new Indian poster. Please sum or in detail explain what difference this will make?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    lol Nobody begs as much as the Indians. You have been begging the Americans ever since the Mumbai attacks to help you against a smaller nation.

    Diplomats get paid to refute allegations, this is politics. No Indian on this thread has yet to explain what difference this will make? I dont think you have any idea too.
    I in fact agree that it won't make any difference in the larger scheme of things. Pakistan will always remain the breeding ground and epicenter of global terrorism, like it has been for last 40 years.

    What you haven't been able to explain is why are Pak authorities running around promising to fix things ahead of the next review? You say this is what diplomats get paid for. Really? You guys pay your diplomats for embarrassing your country? Why would Pak authorities promise to fix things if there is nothing to fix?

    Also, why did your delegate tweet misinformation last night when he knew that he'd be caught lying eventually?

    Pray explain. [ It would be fun to watch you dig the hole deeper. ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by English August View Post
    I in fact agree that it won't make any difference in the larger scheme of things. Pakistan will always remain the breeding ground and epicenter of global terrorism, like it has been for last 40 years.

    What you haven't been able to explain is why are Pak authorities running around promising to fix things ahead of the next review? You say this is what diplomats get paid for. Really? You guys pay your diplomats for embarrassing your country? Why would Pak authorities promise to fix things if there is nothing to fix?

    Also, why did your delegate tweet misinformation last night when he knew that he'd be caught lying eventually?

    Pray explain. [ It would be fun to watch you dig the hole deeper. ]
    lol. You accept nothing will change but you care about why diplomats go around doing what they are paid for? It's all global politics which keeps people happy apart from Indians who are never happy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    OMG? lol

    As a new Indian poster. Please sum or in detail explain what difference this will make?
    Sorry cannot make you think for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    lol. You accept nothing will change but you care about why diplomats go around doing what they are paid for? It's all global politics which keeps people happy apart from Indians who are never happy.
    Lots of lol-ing going on. You seem upset but are trying desperately hard to hide it!

    This is how the Pakistani narrative has evolved over the past 48-72 hours:

    Step 1: We're not on the grey list. Thank god! (Pakistani FM's tweet clearly expressed relief at not being grey-listed. He even thanked the "friends" (read Saudis, China, Turkey) who made it happen.

    Step 2: Media reports that Pak would in fact be grey-listed in June. So what do the Pakistanis do? Call every media house in the world liars and start blaming Indian media. (Exactly when did Reuters and Bloomberg become Indian?!)

    Step 3: S%$t finally hits the fan! Pakistanis learn they've been screwed over by their trigger-happy FM and "friends" like China. Yes, the same Chinese with whom their friendship is deeper than ocean, taller than Himalayas and sweeter than honey. So now the story is: grey-listing doesn't really matter.

    You guys really need to get your story straight. It's embarrassing for the internet keyboard warriors like you to keep changing the narrative. The Chinese aren't playing fair! I suggest you show-up at the Chinese embassy in London tomorrow and vigorously protest. That might help!

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    As far as I know Pak is not on the list for at least three further months. A lot will happen between now and the end of May. We'll discuss it then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zizour View Post
    Sorry cannot make you think for yourself.
    lol good one...


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    So Sri Lanka has been on the list for sometime now, but things seem to be fine in the small island country. People getting on with their lives just fine, sun rises and sets everyday, they continue to thrash Bangladesh in the gentleman's game, everything's kosher! So what's the big deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by English August View Post
    Lots of lol-ing going on. You seem upset but are trying desperately hard to hide it!

    This is how the Pakistani narrative has evolved over the past 48-72 hours:

    Step 1: We're not on the grey list. Thank god! (Pakistani FM's tweet clearly expressed relief at not being grey-listed. He even thanked the "friends" (read Saudis, China, Turkey) who made it happen.

    Step 2: Media reports that Pak would in fact be grey-listed in June. So what do the Pakistanis do? Call every media house in the world liars and start blaming Indian media. (Exactly when did Reuters and Bloomberg become Indian?!)

    Step 3: S%$t finally hits the fan! Pakistanis learn they've been screwed over by their trigger-happy FM and "friends" like China. Yes, the same Chinese with whom their friendship is deeper than ocean, taller than Himalayas and sweeter than honey. So now the story is: grey-listing doesn't really matter.

    You guys really need to get your story straight. It's embarrassing for the internet keyboard warriors like you to keep changing the narrative. The Chinese aren't playing fair! I suggest you show-up at the Chinese embassy in London tomorrow and vigorously protest. That might help!
    lol. I speak for myself, we are not a robotic bunch like our Indian neighbours. Nowhere have I have followed your steps. This whole issue is over blown, nothing will change.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    lol Nobody begs as much as the Indians. You have been begging the Americans ever since the Mumbai attacks to help you against a smaller nation.

    Diplomats get paid to refute allegations, this is politics. No Indian on this thread has yet to explain what difference this will make? I dont think you have any idea too.
    Add Israel to the list!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    lol. I speak for myself, we are not a robotic bunch like our Indian neighbours. Nowhere have I have followed your steps. This whole issue is over blown, nothing will change.
    First you guys get your knickers in a twist over this fiasco, and now you're proud of the fact that you got your knickers in a twist.

    Well, that *is* comical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gubol123 View Post
    What a damning report, but hey, let's blame the Indian media for spreading lies!

    I found these two paras most interesting:

    "...the Chinese informed Islamabad that they were opting out as they did not want to “lose face by supporting a move that’s doomed to fail”, another official source told Dawn. “Pakistan appreciated the Chinese position and conveyed its gratitude to Turkey for continuing to support Islamabad against all odds,” the source added."

    So much for the "all-weather" friend China!

    "[Heather Nauert ] also mentioned Hafiz Saeed and his activities while detailing US complaints against Pakistan and the sources that spoke to Dawn after the Feb 22 meeting said that indeed Hafiz Saeed and his “charities” were top on the list of the groups that the FATF wanted Pakistan to act against.

    But our Pakistani friends tell us that Saeed is the second incarnation of Mahatma Gandhi!

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    Never heard of this list until recently both sides started reporting consistently,why does everyone care about this list?
    Also Pak's diplomats were better during PPP rule ,why are the current ones unable to see where the vote is going, seem to be consistently getting blindsided,it's obviously a political game but at least compete FGS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by English August View Post
    What a damning report, but hey, let's blame the Indian media for spreading lies!
    as i said before , for now pakistan isnt on grey list. so save your ** till june.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Never heard of this list until recently both sides started reporting consistently,why does everyone care about this list?
    Also Pak's diplomats were better during PPP rule ,why are the current ones unable to see where the vote is going, seem to be consistently getting blindsided,it's obviously a political game but at least compete FGS.
    pakistan was on grey list back 2012 to 2015. nothing happend. its just an arm twisting tool for america and some brownie points for modi ji and thre sanghis for next election. i am sure many indians didnt even knw that pakistan was on grey list back 2012-2015.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Never heard of this list until recently both sides started reporting consistently,why does everyone care about this list?
    Also Pak's diplomats were better during PPP rule ,why are the current ones unable to see where the vote is going, seem to be consistently getting blindsided,it's obviously a political game but at least compete FGS.
    PPP was useless, they were actively devouring any functioning institutions or society. Unbelievably, they were complicit in letting US build a massive network within Pakistan working against Pakistani interests... Hussain haqqani was a ppp appointment, whose sole job was to get people into Pakistan without interior ministry approval.

    Now the US is not afforded that luxury and coupled with the fact that they have been completed blind sided by the Chinese in the region, they are now acting like a bully. Trying to pit Pakistan v India or India v China ... they are trying everything to create chaos to consolidate their position once more.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gubol123 View Post
    Damning report from the Dawn, From Terror finance Grey list to Black list soon, of course overseas Pakistanis won't care about this as they don't live in Pakistan but big problem from residents. And once again DAWN shows why it is the best news org in Pakistan. Lets see if the army feels this price is acceptable to lavishly maintain their "strategic assets".
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    Lol it's now more embarrassing moment for Pak forget about grey list and starting thinking how to escape from Black list .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddy View Post
    Damning report from the Dawn, From Terror finance Grey list to Black list soon, of course overseas Pakistanis won't care about this as they don't live in Pakistan but big problem from residents. And once again DAWN shows why it is the best news org in Pakistan. Lets see if the army feels this price is acceptable to lavishly maintain their "strategic assets".
    @Mamoon @LegendInzi @DW44 @saeedhk @saadibaba
    Pakistan itself is a strategic asset for the US, no doubt they'll find some way to come to some sort of a deal with the army to keep them off the list.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Test champion View Post
    Lol it's now more embarrassing moment for Pak forget about grey list and starting thinking how to escape from Black list .
    here comes another ignorant. after grey list now its black list. lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Pakistan itself is a strategic asset for the US, no doubt they'll find some way to come to some sort of a deal with the army to keep them off the list.
    Do you even follow the topic before posting replies in the thread which do not make any sense? USA is the one pushing this through, only three countries China, Turkey and Saudi objected at first but later Saudi was tackled by USA and China backed off to "Save face" As they needed at least 3 countries to stop Pakistan from entering Grey list on Terror finance.

    If satisfactory action is not taken by Pakistani army by June, then the next step will be joining the Black list of Terror finance along with North Korea and Iran.

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    I rather be on a list than be banned from entering nations.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddy View Post

    If satisfactory action is not taken by Pakistani army by June, then the next step will be joining the Black list of Terror finance along with North Korea and Iran.
    so pakistan will go direct to black list instead of grey list ?
    genius..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddy View Post
    Do you even follow the topic before posting replies in the thread which do not make any sense? USA is the one pushing this through, only three countries China, Turkey and Saudi objected at first but later Saudi was tackled by USA and China backed off to "Save face" As they needed at least 3 countries to stop Pakistan from entering Grey list on Terror finance.

    If satisfactory action is not taken by Pakistani army by June, then the next step will be joining the Black list of Terror finance along with North Korea and Iran.
    No I don't follow the topic, it's mostly nerdy bickering about who is more important to the US, I'm not going to read every reply. What the US says in public isn't always matched with what goes on behind the scenes. I don't see why they would want to lose a foothold in Asia though. It could be horse trading to ensure Pakistan doesn't go too far over to China.


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    China says 'highly recognises' Pakistan's efforts against terror financing

    China came out in support of Pakistan's anti-terror financing regime on Tuesday, days after it withdrew opposition against a US-led move to place Pakistan on the Financial Action Task Force's (FATF) watchlist.

    "In recent years, Pakistan has made important progress in actively strengthening financial regulations to combat terror financing," China's Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Lu Kang said at a press briefing in Beijing.

    The 37-nation FATF held its plenary meeting in Paris last week where it placed Pakistan on a so-called 'grey list' of the countries where terrorist outfits are still allowed to raise funds.

    The plenary held its first meeting on Pakistan on February 20 where China, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, which was representing the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), opposed the move to place Pakistan on the watchlist. But the US pushed for an unprecedented second discussion on Pakistan, held on February 22.

    By then, Washington had convinced Riyadh to give up its support to Pakistan in return for a full FATF membership. This left only two – China and Turkey – in the Pakistan camp, one less than the required number of three members to stall a move.

    At this stage, the Chinese informed Islamabad that they were opting out as they did not want to “lose face by supporting a move that’s doomed to fail”, an official source had told Dawn. “Pakistan appreciated the Chinese position and conveyed its gratitude to Turkey for continuing to support Islamabad against all odds,” the source added.

    When asked about reports whether China had refused to bail out Pakistan at the FATF meeting, the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman said Pakistan's contributions in the area of countering terror financing were there for all to see.

    "China highly recognises that [Pakistan's contributions], and hopes all relevant parties of the international community could arrive at an objective and fair conclusion on that," Lu said.

    Talking about Pakistan's overall role in the war against terrorism, the spokesman said the Pakistani people have sacrificed "enormously" for the counterterrorism fight.

    "Their hard efforts, both in terms of ground operations and in the field of terrorism financing, are there for all to see."

    Lu reiterated that China has been calling on the international community to evaluate Pakistan's efforts against militancy "in an objective and fair way, instead of just pointing fingers at Pakistan out of bias".

    "As an all-weather strategic cooperative partner for Pakistan, China will continue to enhance communication, coordination and cooperation with Pakistan on counterterrorism," he said.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1392085/ch...rror-financing


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    China says 'highly recognises' Pakistan's efforts against terror financing
    Well played, boys!

    Praise Pakistan in press conference but refuse to support in the plenary session where it really matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    No I don't follow the topic, it's mostly nerdy bickering about who is more important to the US, I'm not going to read every reply. What the US says in public isn't always matched with what goes on behind the scenes. I don't see why they would want to lose a foothold in Asia though. It could be horse trading to ensure Pakistan doesn't go too far over to China.
    The reason the US is pushing this now if because of the change in its administration. Obama was okay with Pakistan continuing to support the Haqqani network which kills US soldiers, Trump is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    The reason the US is pushing this now if because of the change in its administration. Obama was okay with Pakistan continuing to support the Haqqani network which kills US soldiers, Trump is not.
    The biggest joke of this century is that US has failed in Afghanistan because of Pakistani support to the Haqqanis. 100 thousand US troops, 100 thousand Nato troops, 200 thousand strong Afghan force, with hundreds of billions of dollars can't gain control because Pakistan hasn't caught some 100 men who live in caves?. Do you realize how absurd that claim is??

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    Quote Originally Posted by sshakir411 View Post
    The biggest joke of this century is that US has failed in Afghanistan because of Pakistani support to the Haqqanis. 100 thousand US troops, 100 thousand Nato troops, 200 thousand strong Afghan force, with hundreds of billions of dollars can't gain control because Pakistan hasn't caught some 100 men who live in caves?. Do you realize how absurd that claim is??
    1) I was not offering reasons why the US has failed in the Afghanistan. That is a different topic. I was offering a reason why Trump has taken on an anti-Pakistan stance.

    2) Your description of the Haqqani network as "some 100 men who live in caves" is entirely inaccurate.

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    Govt confirms Pakistan will be placed on FATF terror financing watchlist in June

    Ending the nearly week-long confusion over Pakistan's placement on a ‘grey list’ of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), the Foreign Office confirmed on Wednesday that in June the country is set to be added to the watchlist of countries where banned militant outfits have allegedly been raising funds.

    Speaking at a weekly news briefing, FO spokesman Dr Muhammad Faisal revealed that a decision to place Pakistan on the watchlist was taken at the FATF plenary held in Paris last week. He, however, ruled out the possibility that Pakistan could even be placed on the international watchdog's blacklist over a lack of compliance.

    An action plan to eradicate terrorist financing is being prepared and will accordingly be shared with the international body, he said.

    "Pakistan will be assigned to the ‘grey list’ in June, once an action plan has been mutually negotiated," the spokesman said, adding that Pakistan will cooperate with FATF in every possible way.

    Dr Faisal said reports claiming that Pakistan will be transferred from the 'grey list' to the blacklist in June are not true as the FATF website clearly demarcates the countries in the blacklist as those which are non-cooperative with the body.

    Editorial: Questions after the FATF debacle

    In response to a question, the spokesman said the FATF has highlighted certain deficiencies in Pakistan's anti-money laundering and anti-terror financing regimes.

    He said Pakistan has already taken steps to remove the deficiencies in these areas and cited the presidential ordinance that was quietly passed days before the FATF plenary to amend the anti-terror legislation in order to include all UN-listed individuals and groups in the national listings of proscribed outfits and persons.

    "We will take further actions for addressing any remaining deficiencies," Dr Faisal said.

    All matters related to FATF will be dealt with by the finance ministry, the FO spokesman said, adding that he could not comment on FATF's internal deliberations as they are confidential.

    The 37-nation FATF plenary held its first meeting on Pakistan on February 20 where China, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, which was representing the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), opposed the US-led move to place Pakistan on the watchlist. But the US pushed for an unprecedented second discussion on Pakistan, held on February 22.

    By then, Washington had convinced Riyadh to give up its support to Pakistan in return for a full FATF membership. This left only two – China and Turkey – in the Pakistan camp, one less than the required number of three members to stall a move.

    At this stage, the Chinese informed Islamabad that they were opting out as they did not want to “lose face by supporting a move that’s doomed to fail”, an official source had told Dawn. “Pakistan appreciated the Chinese position and conveyed its gratitude to Turkey for continuing to support Islamabad against all odds,” the source added.

    Pakistan was first put on the FATF grey list in 2012 but was removed in 2015, after the FATF certified that Islamabad had done enough to counter terror financing.

    Now, Pakistan will have to follow the same process that it did in 2015, starting with an action plan that Islamabad is required to submit in May. If the FATF approves the action plan in June, it will make a formal announcement about placing Pakistan on the grey list. Should Islamabad fail to submit an action plan, or if the FATF does not accept it, the group can place Pakistan on its blacklist, along with North Korea and Iran.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1392285/go...chlist-in-june

    So much for biased Indian media...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gubol123 View Post
    Govt confirms Pakistan will be placed on FATF terror financing watchlist in June

    Ending the nearly week-long confusion over Pakistan's placement on a ‘grey list’ of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), the Foreign Office confirmed on Wednesday that in June the country is set to be added to the watchlist of countries where banned militant outfits have allegedly been raising funds.

    Speaking at a weekly news briefing, FO spokesman Dr Muhammad Faisal revealed that a decision to place Pakistan on the watchlist was taken at the FATF plenary held in Paris last week. He, however, ruled out the possibility that Pakistan could even be placed on the international watchdog's blacklist over a lack of compliance.

    An action plan to eradicate terrorist financing is being prepared and will accordingly be shared with the international body, he said.

    "Pakistan will be assigned to the ‘grey list’ in June, once an action plan has been mutually negotiated," the spokesman said, adding that Pakistan will cooperate with FATF in every possible way.

    Dr Faisal said reports claiming that Pakistan will be transferred from the 'grey list' to the blacklist in June are not true as the FATF website clearly demarcates the countries in the blacklist as those which are non-cooperative with the body.

    Editorial: Questions after the FATF debacle

    In response to a question, the spokesman said the FATF has highlighted certain deficiencies in Pakistan's anti-money laundering and anti-terror financing regimes.

    He said Pakistan has already taken steps to remove the deficiencies in these areas and cited the presidential ordinance that was quietly passed days before the FATF plenary to amend the anti-terror legislation in order to include all UN-listed individuals and groups in the national listings of proscribed outfits and persons.

    "We will take further actions for addressing any remaining deficiencies," Dr Faisal said.

    All matters related to FATF will be dealt with by the finance ministry, the FO spokesman said, adding that he could not comment on FATF's internal deliberations as they are confidential.

    The 37-nation FATF plenary held its first meeting on Pakistan on February 20 where China, Turkey and Saudi Arabia, which was representing the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), opposed the US-led move to place Pakistan on the watchlist. But the US pushed for an unprecedented second discussion on Pakistan, held on February 22.

    By then, Washington had convinced Riyadh to give up its support to Pakistan in return for a full FATF membership. This left only two – China and Turkey – in the Pakistan camp, one less than the required number of three members to stall a move.

    At this stage, the Chinese informed Islamabad that they were opting out as they did not want to “lose face by supporting a move that’s doomed to fail”, an official source had told Dawn. “Pakistan appreciated the Chinese position and conveyed its gratitude to Turkey for continuing to support Islamabad against all odds,” the source added.

    Pakistan was first put on the FATF grey list in 2012 but was removed in 2015, after the FATF certified that Islamabad had done enough to counter terror financing.

    Now, Pakistan will have to follow the same process that it did in 2015, starting with an action plan that Islamabad is required to submit in May. If the FATF approves the action plan in June, it will make a formal announcement about placing Pakistan on the grey list. Should Islamabad fail to submit an action plan, or if the FATF does not accept it, the group can place Pakistan on its blacklist, along with North Korea and Iran.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1392285/go...chlist-in-june

    So much for biased Indian media...

    But but but @Lonewarrior says its not true.


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