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    Good cameo by Dhoni.

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    Not out gone begging for MSD.

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    Although I like Dhoni as a cricketer, as a captain and as a person, but I have to admit after seeing this shot that he is not young anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    300 is par here.

    SA will relish batting in these conditions. If they can see out the new ball threat, they will be the favs to win this.

    Indian bowlers have to be at their best.
    Really? The ball seems to be keeping low and people were saying Shamsi was turning it miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    I'm just following the scorecard but it looks like it'll be a tough chase for South Africa. Amla and de Villiers have to do well.
    Good to see you back after the fourth ODI.

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    Markram needs to score today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Lol, my bad. I just realized that there is an actual player named Pandey and you were not just misspelling Pandya.
    Pandey is actually better batsman than anyone in current Pakistani batting line up.
    But Kholi never plays him.

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    Dhoni is not the same player he once was. However, I challenge any of you guys to name a better keeper-batsman in all of India. Kohli should be batting him at #4 or #5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaptan View Post
    Pandey is actually better batsman than anyone in current Pakistani batting line up.
    But Kholi never plays him.
    I would like to see Pandey score a fifty in a normal match against Pakistan, let alone a match-winning and soul-crushing century in a final of an ICC tournament.

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    Dhoni is simply making a mockery of himself by "demanding" to continue playing due to his selfishness. I still remember his quote upon being appointed the Captain in the shorter format (2007/8) where he stated that players over 35 don't qualify to play the format anyways. What a hypocrite. Epitomises selfishness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Dhoni is not the same player he once was. However, I challenge any of you guys to name a better keeper-batsman in all of India. Kohli should be batting him at #4 or #5.
    It is painful to watch MSD struggle. Even as a Pak fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaptan View Post
    Pandey is actually better batsman than anyone in current Pakistani batting line up.
    But Kholi never plays him.
    Unlikely, since Babar is a better batsman than any Indian barring Kohli, Dhawan and Rohit.

    I remember the same hype around Rahul, Ilyer, Chand, etc. All turned out to be pretty mediocre.

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    To win SA will have to score against the opening pacers, try to see off and not lose too many wickets against the spinners and then once again attack the pacers towards the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    Good to see you back after the fourth ODI.
    Haven't watched a single delivery of the series. Midterm season. Only followed bits of the cricinfo commentary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadBall View Post
    To win SA will have to score against the opening pacers, try to see off and not lose too many wickets against the spinners and then once again attack the pacers towards the end.
    So pretty much the chasing template.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaptan View Post
    Pandey is actually better batsman than anyone in current Pakistani batting line up.
    But Kholi never plays him.
    Yes he averages 39 in ODIs which is less then Babar Azam who I guess recently became no 1 in T20s qnd is in top 5,6 in ODIs we well

    But surely if Pandey would have played for a year or two he would have been no 1 in all three formats.

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    SA wont even chase 205 let alone 275.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Dhoni is not the same player he once was. However, I challenge any of you guys to name a better keeper-batsman in all of India. Kohli should be batting him at #4 or #5.
    dhoni is a great keeper but in odi's and t-20's you don't need that good a keeper, we played dravid in 2003 WC as keeper without suffering much, i am pretty sure that there at least half a dozen better batsman than dhoni in pak setup let alone india's. Fact is the selfish jerk won't quit t-20's because he knows if he does and gets replaced by pant or samson the pressure to drop his sorry *** in odi's will grow and will have to retire or be kicked out just as he was in tests.

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    India relying on Bhuvneshwar Kumar to score runs at the death.

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    I seriously want Kholi and Sastri to publicly criticises our middle order especially Dhoni in post match press conference for this kind of show.

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    Worst death batting,54 for 4 in last 10 overs.
    Last match was 59 for 3.
    Problem is who can replace dhoni or pandya?(no good wicketkeeper and no seam allrounder for england conditions)

    If this problem persists we will have no option but to think radical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    So pretty much the chasing template.
    Except emphasis on not losing too many wickets against the spinners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Unlikely, since Babar is a better batsman than any Indian barring Kohli, Dhawan and Rohit.

    I remember the same hype around Rahul, Ilyer, Chand, etc. All turned out to be pretty mediocre.
    Yeah, we saw that in Newzealand.Couldnt even put bat on ball in the ODI series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaptan View Post
    Dhoni has completely lost it.
    I am the biggest Dhoni fan on earth, and even I want him to retire and save his face from further humiliations.
    He is the best keeper . No question about it.

    The way he is utilized and paraded in front of Indian fans is wrong. He needs to be sent at NO.4 and asked to slog. If he cannot, he should bat at No.8. No point in coming in at no.5 and wasting deliveries. I would prefer a proper hack who can slog and hope that the hack gets lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Yeah, we saw that in Newzealand.Couldnt even put bat on ball in the ODI series.
    Apart from the top 3, which Indian batsman is better than Babar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by austerlitz View Post
    Worst death batting,54 for 4 in last 10 overs.
    Last match was 59 for 3.
    Problem is who can replace dhoni or pandya?(no good wicketkeeper and no seam allrounder for england conditions)

    If this problem persists we will have no option but to think radical.
    Dhoni can be replaced with someone young like Pant or samson and give the chosen one atleast 10 matches.

    While for Pandya, India produced a fast bowling all rounder after almost three decades let alone having a replacement for him

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagatk View Post
    dhoni is a great keeper but in odi's and t-20's you don't need that good a keeper, we played dravid in 2003 WC as keeper without suffering much, i am pretty sure that there at least half a dozen better batsman than dhoni in pak setup let alone india's. Fact is the selfish jerk won't quit t-20's because he knows if he does and gets replaced by pant or samson the pressure to drop his sorry *** in odi's will grow and will have to retire or be kicked out just as he was in tests.
    Yes, but you still need someone to keep. Who is that someone going to be? Karthic and Patel are half the batsmen Dhoni is even today. You can try Rahul as the keeper but is he going to do any better than Dhoni down the order?

    Pakistan has the same problem with Sarfaraz but there simply is no other keeper-batsman to replace him. Not to mention that there is always the risk of the makeshift keeper dropping the opposition's key player when you least desire it, ala the Akmals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Yeah, we saw that in Newzealand.Couldnt even put bat on ball in the ODI series.
    How many Indians could put bat on ball when you last went to NZ to get your bums kicked 4-0? Your golden boy Sharma is a hack overseas, let alone some Pandey who can't make the team over Rahane and Ilyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dingolfy View Post
    Yeah, we saw that in Newzealand.Couldnt even put bat on ball in the ODI series.
    He is 22 and he has already scored a century in Aus. Give him some time and and watch. Remeber Kohli struggling against moving ball early in his career. Although he still struggles but has improved

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Yes, but you still need someone to keep. Who is that someone going to be? Karthic and Patel are half the batsmen Dhoni is even today. You can try Rahul as the keeper but is he going to do any better than Dhoni down the order?

    Pakistan has the same problem with Sarfaraz but there simply is no other keeper-batsman to replace him. Not to mention that there is always the risk of the makeshift keeper dropping the opposition's key player when you least desire it, ala the Akmals.
    Give me samson ahead of dhoni all day long, if pant can sort out his technique a bit he will a good choice in 1-2 years time and both even at their current ability are much better batsman than dhoni. Patel and karthik are played just to make dhoni look good, there was no justification to pick karthik ahead of pant or samson other than not wanting to pressurize dhoni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austerlitz View Post
    Worst death batting,54 for 4 in last 10 overs.
    Last match was 59 for 3.
    Problem is who can replace dhoni or pandya?(no good wicketkeeper and no seam allrounder for england conditions)

    If this problem persists we will have no option but to think radical.
    In my opinion Vijay Shankar is as good as Hardik Pandya, if not better. Plus he is grounded. Half of Pandya's problem is his casual and bad (superstar) attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    He is the best keeper . No question about it.

    The way he is utilized and paraded in front of Indian fans is wrong. He needs to be sent at NO.4 and asked to slog. If he cannot, he should bat at No.8. No point in coming in at no.5 and wasting deliveries. I would prefer a proper hack who can slog and hope that the hack gets lucky.
    Send him at #4 and ask him to rotate the strike and hit out before the last 10. He's still good enough to be a decent #4 which is more than India can say about any of their other #4 options. Plus, he is still a great keeper and has loads of experience that Kohli can tap into.

    India should bring Raina back as the finisher who bats at #6.

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    India 60 short on a pancake with U-13 level square boundaries.
    Only brilliant bowling can save India.Otherwise SA has 85% chances of winning within 42nd over here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Yes, but you still need someone to keep. Who is that someone going to be? Karthic and Patel are half the batsmen Dhoni is even today. You can try Rahul as the keeper but is he going to do any better than Dhoni down the order?

    Pakistan has the same problem with Sarfaraz but there simply is no other keeper-batsman to replace him. Not to mention that there is always the risk of the makeshift keeper dropping the opposition's key player when you least desire it, ala the Akmals.
    I have become even a bigger fan of Sarfaraz as a player after seeing him play some shots against faster bowlers in T20s vs NZ. He just showed a completely new dimension of his batting, before that T20 series I have never seen him hitting a fast bowler for down the ground. If he can carry on improving straight down the ground shots he can be very dangerous even in lower order.

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    Great bowling from Ngidi. For all the talk of quota selections, Saffers have unearthed quality pacers in Rabada and Ngidi. Bavuma is promising batsman in tests.


    2 possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are terrifying.

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    Alright, gotta go. I hope to see South Africa pull this one off but the most likely result is that the Indian spinners win India another match.

    The Asia Cup is going to be a battle of the leggies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckMaster View Post
    Half of Pandya's problem is his casual and bad (superstar) attitude.
    Yeah, I think the fame has gone to his head. I think if Pandya doesn't get serious he might go the Shehzad and Akmal way.

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    Yes, there’s no reason raina shouldn’t play in a line up of Rahanes and Iyers.

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    Dhoni needs to go. We still have time. Anyone else will do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leatherface58 View Post
    Great bowling from Ngidi. For all the talk of quota selections, Saffers have unearthed quality pacers in Rabada and Ngidi. Bavuma is promising batsman in tests.
    Phelukwayo is a pretty decent player too. At his best, he can offer you 7-8 economical overs and can be lethal with the bat during the last 10. Better than Pandya, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austerlitz View Post
    Worst death batting,54 for 4 in last 10 overs.
    Last match was 59 for 3.
    Problem is who can replace dhoni or pandya?(no good wicketkeeper and no seam allrounder for england conditions)

    If this problem persists we will have no option but to think radical.
    Lol at who can replace Pandya. What has he done apart from 2-3 innings? He is a useless bowler and it seems his batting is not good either. Everyone is asking for Dhoni's head but no one is saying anything about the Best Since Kapil Dev - Hardik Pandya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckMaster View Post
    In my opinion Vijay Shankar is as good as Hardik Pandya, if not better. Plus he is grounded. Half of Pandya's problem is his casual and bad (superstar) attitude.
    Is Vijay Shankar any good with ball? I know he can ball but is he good enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    He is 22 and he has already scored a century in Aus. Give him some time and and watch. Remeber Kohli struggling against moving ball early in his career. Although he still struggles but has improved
    Kohli averages 58 in NZ, 77 in SA and 33 in Eng. While your boy wonder doesn't average above 35 anywhere other than australia and WI and that WI no is propped up by a not out 100+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Lol at who can replace Pandya. What has he done apart from 2-3 innings? He is a useless bowler and it seems his batting is not good either. Everyone is asking for Dhoni's head but no one is saying anything about the Best Since Kapil Dev - Hardik Pandya.
    Obviously if Kohli wants to play two specialist spinners he would be needing a third pacer in the form of an all rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Is Vijay Shankar any good with ball? I know he can ball but is he good enough?
    Shankar is basically a decent batsman who can bowl few overs of economic medium pace. Pandya hasn't done any wonders with the ball. Not with the bat either when the situation actually demanded him to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagatk View Post
    Kohli averages 58 in NZ, 77 in SA and 33 in Eng. While your boy wonder doesn't average above 35 anywhere other than australia and WI and that WI no is propped up by a not out 100+.
    Last time I checked Kohli is 28 heading towards 29 and has played more then 200 ODIs, this is not even a comparison. I was talking about young Kohli who had big technical issues but improved. I neve compared Babar with current Kohli

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    India needs to give Pant/Samson a chance in T20's.

    I don't understand why MSD is still playing T20 format. He struggles there too with the bat. Ideal chance to try out youngsters. If any of them click, they can be transitioned to ODI and then to Test format.

    Playing MSD, Jadhav, Karthik is pointless in T20's. We wasted a great opportunity to try out Pant/Samson/Hooda/Krunal/Ishan Kishan/Rana etc against Srilanka in that pointless series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagatk View Post
    Kohli averages 58 in NZ, 77 in SA and 33 in Eng. While your boy wonder doesn't average above 35 anywhere other than australia and WI and that WI no is propped up by a not out 100+.
    Babar hasn't even played in SA yet. Still early days. He can only score runs against opposition he plays. Good average in Australia against very good bowlers. He is a class batsman. Also interesting how ICC rankings are genuine when talking about India, but not a good indicator when talking about Pakistan. Indian fans, on this forum specially, are a hoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuckMaster View Post
    Shankar is basically a decent batsman who can bowl few overs of economic medium pace. Pandya hasn't done any wonders with the ball. Not with the bat either when the situation actually demanded him to.
    Agreed, lets see if Shankar can create any impact in this IPL. Competition to Pandya would definitely make him work harder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    Phelukwayo is a pretty decent player too. At his best, he can offer you 7-8 economical overs and can be lethal with the bat during the last 10. Better than Pandya, imo.
    Pandya is a hack. His comparison with Stokes were funny. All rounders contribute either with bat or ball. ATM he is not doing anything. Irfan Pathan was a better all rounder than him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    India needs to give Pant/Samson a chance in T20's.

    I don't understand why MSD is still playing T20 format. He struggles there too with the bat. Ideal chance to try out youngsters. If any of them click, they can be transitioned to ODI and then to Test format.

    Playing MSD, Jadhav, Karthik is pointless in T20's. We wasted a great opportunity to try out Pant/Samson/Hooda/Krunal/Ishan Kishan/Rana etc against Srilanka in that pointless series.
    Definitely they need to test youngsters in T20s, good to see Hooda in the squad. He has got very impressive temperament as a cricketer.

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    Another bumbling innings by MS. I've been wanting India to drop Dhoni since the 2015 WC semifinal loss , it is horrifying to know that he is still the first choice keeper for the 2019 edition !


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Pandya is a hack. His comparison with Stokes were funny. All rounders contribute either with bat or ball. ATM he is not doing anything. Irfan Pathan was a better all rounder than him.
    Problem with Pathan was that initially he was a very good bowler who was able to bat a bit as well. Then he became a decent batsman but very ordinary bowler with nothing to offer then few cutters. When of the biggest downfalls of a great talent.

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    At this point, India has to hope that they get lucky with Shubman Gill. Hope he gets into the squad by the end of the year and solidify the No.4 spot.

    Tired of seeing the Iyer/pandey/Jadhav/Karthik/Rahane circus.

    India needs a solid No.4 bat and a big sloggers at No.5/6.

    If India gets lucky, then below should be the order for 2019 WC.

    Dhawan
    Rohit
    Kohli
    Gill
    Raina
    Pandya
    BK/Shami
    MSD
    Kuldeep
    Chahal
    Bumrah

    Batting is still weak after Top 5, but India can hope some runs from Top 5 not instead of the Top 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomaskutty View Post
    Another bumbling innings by MS. I've been wanting India to drop Dhoni since the 2015 WC semifinal loss , it is horrifying to know that he is still the first choice keeper for the 2019 edition !
    He comes with bonus which is some strategic advice to Kohli in key match situations

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    Apart from the top 3, which Indian batsman is better than Babar?
    No one

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    At this point, India has to hope that they get lucky with Shubman Gill. Hope he gets into the squad by the end of the year and solidify the No.4 spot.

    Tired of seeing the Iyer/pandey/Jadhav/Karthik/Rahane circus.

    India needs a solid No.4 bat and a big sloggers at No.5/6.

    If India gets lucky, then below should be the order for 2019 WC.

    Dhawan
    Rohit
    Kohli
    Gill
    Raina
    Pandya
    BK/Shami
    MSD
    Kuldeep
    Chahal
    Bumrah

    Batting is still weak after Top 5, but India can hope some runs from Top 5 not instead of the Top 3.
    Iyer is hard done as opening slots are not available anytime soon. He prefers opening I guess, when the ball is new or one down where he scored some runs

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    MS should have rested from this series and instead, a youngster should have been tried so India has backup keeper for WC.


    2 possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are terrifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    He comes with bonus which is some strategic advice to Kohli in key match situations
    So they say but that's probably exaggerated.
    From a batting perspective , it's clear that he finds it hard to accelerate in the final overs. The least they could do was give him the no.4 spot and play an anchor-ish role.


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    No movement in the pitch. Should be relatively easy chase

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    Bumrah seems to have such a short mincing run up, almost like a spinner, for someone who regularly bowls over 140...

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
    Bumrah seems to have such a short mincing run up, almost like a spinner, for someone who regularly bowls over 140...
    Same goes for Rabada and he bowls in the high 140s regularly.

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    Shot by Makram.

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    Looking at slow motion footage it seems Bumrah has the same kind of retro flexion in his elbow that Akthar had, bends backwards through the joint a bit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by leatherface58 View Post
    MS should have rested from this series and instead, a youngster should have been tried so India has backup keeper for WC.
    Indian superstars wont retire. They need to be kicked out.

    I remember how MSD kicked out seniors like Gambhir, Sehwag, Dravid etc... saying that they are either not performing or too old and slow.

    May be he should follow his own advice and kick himself out. He is ruining his legacy by dragging his career for too long.

    I guess Brand Dhoni is too hard to let go.

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    Amla and ABD wickets are key. If India can get them cheaply, they will be the favs.

    If any of Amla, ABD clicks, this score will be chased down very fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oligochaetes View Post
    No movement in the pitch. Should be relatively easy chase
    kuldeep and chahal will have their say about that. it's not pace that's undone saf on this tour. speaking of which, they should look to score a bit up front probably, lest they get bogged down against spin later...

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Amla and ABD wickets are key. If India can get them cheaply, they will be the favs.

    If any of Amla, ABD clicks, this score will be chased down very fast.
    two fragile batting orders...im not convinced they learnt to play yadav and chahal in the last game...still think india will take this series

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    Iyer dropped catch and he isn't even looking disappointed by himself.

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    Jesus India are selecting duds recently.

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    IYEr has dropped 2 catches in 2 games. Doesn't deserve to play international cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam99 View Post
    Iyer dropped catch and he isn't even looking disappointed by himself.
    He isn't showing it, but am sure..inside..he is crying.

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    Replace Kumar. Trash LOI bowler.

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    Pitch has slowed down considerably, ball not coming on to the bat.

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    Finally Makram middling them.

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    Makram gone. If it weren't for Bhuvi releasing the pressure SA would have been in a worse position.

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    Duminy coming in at a good time, has been playing the spinners well.

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    Gradually, I'll stop watching cricket- just follow the scorecard for stats and result.

    Categorically, they are killing the art of the game in every aspect - this kid Markram is basically butchering everything by hitting through the line because of the wicket and ball used, and he is hitting everything through onside in air which suggests a very stiff wrist, and extended use of bottom hand power. On same wicket, just if they use hand stitched ball, this kid is a sitting duck ... and more or less every U25 batsmen these days are same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadBall View Post
    Finally Makram middling them.
    Gone .. lucky captain


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