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    Will Hardik Pandya cost India dearly at the 2019 World Cup?

    Poor with the ball and a total back with the bat.

    He can give performances here and there, but when attacked, especially on flat decks, he may cost India heavily.

    His bowling is gun barrel straight. Not good to be a 5th bowler. And also not reliable as a batsman.

    Tbh, India has a poor middle and lower order.

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    The whole middle order.

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    Too early to say as WC 19 still relatively long enough away for Pandya to be dropped if keeps failing. But Pandya was excellent in England so doubt he'd be a liability.

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    The top order and the bowling unit looks solid but the middle order is awful. Need to inject some fresh blood in

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    He has to improve bowling lot - otherwise, it's better to play 6 batsmen and 10 make-shift overs. Has taken 2 vital wickets today though in 1st 2 overs.

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    Pandya already shutting up the critics.

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    Lucky that Ab gifted him wicket and now he will play next 2 - 3 series on today's bowling performance.

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    Lolz.. Bowling consistently in 140's and took 2 key wickets. For Indians, this series is not important, they are working on the best combination as well as giving enough practise to the potential players. So, I dont think Pandya will cost the Indians, he is just getting read for the next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kroll View Post
    Pandya already shutting up the critics.
    Read the OP again. OP has already mentioned Pandya will perform here and there but he is not reliable. Even Stuart Binny used to perform here and there but that doesn't mean he was a genuine all rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Read the OP again. OP has already mentioned Pandya will perform here and there but he is not reliable. Even Stuart Binny used to perform here and there but that doesn't mean he was a genuine all rounder.
    I’d hardly call taking AB’s wicket a “performance”. Just a loose shot from AB.

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    fast bowling allrounders are rare teams need to nurture them & give them longer run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    I’d hardly call taking AB’s wicket a “performance”. Just a loose shot from AB.
    This is ODI cricket sir. Most of the batsman do play loose shots and gift their wickets.

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    Pandya is an investment. He is just 24. When he realises his strengths and responsibilities in the team, we can expect him to be more consistent. Good fielder and striker of a ball. Just needs more game sense. Expect him to improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    I’d hardly call taking AB’s wicket a “performance”. Just a loose shot from AB.
    Try watching a few more cricket matches till you start understanding the game better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarmfast View Post
    Try watching a few more cricket matches till you start understanding the game better.
    One word to describe it - fluke. Could have happened to any bowler, no skill there from Pandya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    I’d hardly call taking AB’s wicket a “performance”. Just a loose shot from AB.
    Is that Pandyas fault or AB fault for playing loose shot?
    There is possibility Pandya forced him to play a loose shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Read the OP again. OP has already mentioned Pandya will perform here and there but he is not reliable. Even Stuart Binny used to perform here and there but that doesn't mean he was a genuine all rounder.
    This wasn't in reference to the OP otherwise I would have probably quoted it, but to usual knee jerk reactions that were taking place in some threads.

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    I really want to see Fahim Ashraf smacking him for three sixes in an over soon. Maybe the Asia cup will be when my wish is fulfilled.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam99 View Post
    Lucky that Ab gifted him wicket and now he will play next 2 - 3 series on today's bowling performance.
    A bowler who has figures of 9 overs 30runs 2 wicket .in a cruical game will stay in team

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    Quote Originally Posted by mp812rediff View Post
    A bowler who has figures of 9 overs 30runs 2 wicket .in a cruical game will stay in team
    I hope team management looks at the overall performance of Pandya on this tour as opposed to his 2 wkts in today's match. Even Raina used to get wickets here and there. Pandya is just a part time bowler who will complete his full quota of overs 4 out of 10 times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    One word to describe it - fluke. Could have happened to any bowler, no skill there from Pandya.
    Thats why you need to watch more cricket and try to understand the game better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    I really want to see Fahim Ashraf smacking him for three sixes in an over soon. Maybe the Asia cup will be when my wish is fulfilled.
    Let's hope. I hope it doesnt happen the other way round

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    I hope team management looks at the overall performance of Pandya on this tour as opposed to his 2 wkts in today's match. Even Raina used to get wickets here and there. Pandya is just a part time bowler who will complete his full quota of overs 4 out of 10 times.
    It is not necessary that he should perform superlatively in every game he plays. No player ever does.
    In this tour Pandya has done better than tourists like Rahane, Dhoni and Jadhav.

    His performance in the first test, both with bat and ball, when everyone else was collapsing around him, itself speaks of his potential.

    And then there's his performance at the CT. He may have even single handedly won us the final, if not for that hack Jadeja.

    India's entire middle order is weak, but Pandya is one who has the potential to come good if given a few chances.
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    Give him 20 more ODIs, he is very talented, and fast learner. His athleticism is bonus. His fielding has done some damage to oppositions alone. It's his first SA tour, he gets lots of benefit of doubt.


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    His fielding made invaluable contribution in this series. Pandya has a killer instinct. Give him sometime, he will come good. He showed every bit of potential in every facet. Today he is touching more than 140 in his 6th over. Even kohli, rohit come to the party in their 3-4th year.

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    He will come good.

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    As of the fourth ODI, his average speed was 130 kph. He doesn't get movement like Kumar either so it's clear that he has some ways to go before becoming a proper bowler.

    Faheem is no world class allrounder either but unlike Pandya, he isn't hyped as the next Imran Khan.

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    You cannot replace Pandya who is the lone all rounder. A fast bowling all rounder is like gold dust. You cannot trash them that easily.

    Pandya can bat bowl and also field exceptionally. He contributes to the team in one way or the other. He is only 23. I am sure he will come good.

    Pandya is not the problem in this team. Its the No.4, 5 spots that is the weakest link in this Indian team. Ideally Pandya should come at No.7 and occasinally at No.5 when team needs huge hits.

    Replace Iyer/Karthik/Jadhav with Raina & Rahul.

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    As his primary skill, Hardik Pandya needs to improve his batting: Kapil Dev

    MONACO: Former India captain Kapil Dev wants Hardik Pandya to "work harder on his batting" as that is his primary skill as an all-rounder.

    Pandya, after his 93 in the first Test against South Africa in Cape Town, failed to get a single half-century across formats in the remaining matches.

    Comparing any talented all-rounder to Kapil is a norm in Indian cricket and the World Cup-winning captain wants Pandya to play without pressure.

    He (Pandya) has shown the glimpse. He has the talent and the ability. Comparing with anyone put more pressure on him. I would like to see him go and express himself, enjoy himself, Kapil told PTI in an exclusive interview on the sidelines of the Laureus World Sports Award here.

    For Kapil, any all-rounder should be strong in one of the two skill sets and for him Pandya is primarily a batting all-rounder.

    I would like to see him in the team for one reason, definitely either as a bowler or as batsman. He has to work little harder on his batting because he is a batsman all-rounder. If he can perform a little more with the bat, the bowling will come easy to him and thats what happens to all-rounders," said India's greatest ever all-rounder.

    Kapil said that Pandya is still very young and everyone is expecting too much from him.

    We have started expecting too much from him soon but I think he has the ability and is one of the finest athletes in the team. But he has to work harder to achieve success as an all-rounder, the 1983 World Cup-winning Indian skipper said.

    Talking about next years World Cup, Kapil said that India will require both current skipper Virat Kohlis aggression and his predecessor Mahendra Singh Dhonis calmness to lift the trophy once again.

    If you can have the combination there is nothing wrong because you need to have somebody on the field who is calm and quiet and also understand the game and somebody who is very aggressive, Kapil said about the deadly combination.

    But if everybody is very aggressive, then its difficult. And again if everyone is calm, then also it is difficult. So if you can have a combination of both aggression and calmness, I think it will help the team. Kapil said India played terrific cricket to bounce back in the limited overs series after a disappointing outing in the first two Tests in South Africa.

    They (India) could have done better in the Test series but they ended really well. They won hands down in the shorter formats in South Africa, which we never did in the past. It was outstanding display. Had they played the first two Tests, a little better it could have been a different story altogether, said Kapil.

    Virat was brilliant but I think the wrist spinners have really done a great job. Just a year back (Ravindra) Jadeja and (Ravichandran) Ashwin, two top-class cricketers, were there but now they are not getting a chance and that shows the depth of Indian cricket at the moment.

    Its amazing how despite some top cricketers like Sachin, Rahul, Sehwag, Laxman retiring in the last 5-6 years, this Indian team has bounced back so quickly and thats a good sign for Indian cricket, Kapil added.

    Kapil believes the current side under Kohli has the ability to do well in England and Australia.

    His character shows that he believes he can do it but for that he has to work very hard. As a captain, you have to take the team along with you and if he can do it, there is no reason why India cannot win in England and Australia. I have no doubt this team can do that but they have to work very hard,� he signed off.

    http://www.newindianexpress.com/spor...v-1780911.html


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    Pandya is a brutal striker of the ball and a terrific lower order hitter...problem is, that is not his only role. Apparently he is an all rounder but he is worse with the ball than Stokes lol

    I dont think he can cost India the world cup because his batting makes up for his terrible bowling but if India are gonna rely on him as their 4th or 5th bowler, than they lack serious bowling depth.

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    Pandya will contribute one way or the other through his batting or bowling or fielding.

    Why India will lose is because of the same reason we lost 2014 wc. Middle order is terrible and after top 3 India will struggle to score 200 runs .

    Inclusion of Raina and another reliable aggressive batsman is a must.

    The likes of pandey, Dhoni, Jadhav, Rahane are not going to cut it for India. They can have a good game once every 7-10 matches.

    Looking at Aus, England and even NZ, you know why they usually manage to score 300 runs with ease. Their team is full of aggressive batsmen and they don’t slow down just because their top order failed.
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    No, he won't. It's generally the bowling that cost India dearly at the business end of the World Cups.

    2003 World Cup Final - conceded 359 runs
    2015 World Cup Semi final - conceded 328 runs

    Recently Champions Trophy final - conceded 338 runs

    No matter how good chasing power of the team is, you won't win such high pressure matches chasing mammoth totals.

    Ironically, he was the best player of Champions Trophy final from India by some distance.

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    Read that Nagarkoti and Mavi are grooming as all rounders.

    Deadly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal7 View Post
    I really want to see Fahim Ashraf smacking him for three sixes in an over soon. Maybe the Asia cup will be when my wish is fulfilled.
    Already Pandya did that to Shadab IIRC

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    You'll never develop a talented allrounder if you don't have the patience necessary to groom one as talented as Panyda.

    He is a genuine game changer with the bat with a solid bowling skillset (not at all to say his bowling as it stands is quality).

    If you expect an allrounder of his ilk to be the finished product by this time in his development, that's a flawed expectation rather than a case of Panyda not being good enough.

    Kohli clearly sees a player in him that he wants to develop and be able to look at as a major success story of his captaincy era, a player he saw potential in, invested in, and groomed to an elite level, so Pandya is not going anywhere for good or for bad.

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    Pandya is up there with Stokes, don't understand the hate he gets on here, assuming because he is indian and looks annoying. if he develops his potential will become one of the top players in the game, Faheem Ashraf on the other hand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentkiller187 View Post
    Pandya is up there with Stokes, don't understand the hate he gets on here, assuming because he is indian and looks annoying. if he develops his potential will become one of the top players in the game, Faheem Ashraf on the other hand...
    Hmmm ..Can't take success of others by few ..Hence the hate !

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    Pandaya is one of the most talented players in India today, and both Indian team management and selectors can see this clearly. What a few irrelevant posters here think of him is hardly what matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Pandaya is one of the most talented players in India today, and both Indian team management and selectors can see this clearly. What a few irrelevant posters here think of him is hardly what matters.
    Using your logic no player can be criticised here then? Dhoni is an ATG, both the captain and team management knows that. What a few irrelevant posters here think of him is hardly what matters.

    You can use the same template for every favorite players of yours.

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    He played well in England in CT....

    It's the bowling that will cost India. India have the gun batsman.

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    Kick out Pandya.. Bring in Jadeja

    Seriously though, which 5th bowler would you prefer to have in England during the world cup instead of Pandya? What are the options?

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    He won't. India's real problem is their mediocre middle order. They need to bat Dhoni at 4 and find better batsmen for numbers 5 and 6.

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    Don't why whenever I see Pandya, I get afraid that he might cost us as an important match at the WC, especially with his bowling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohli, The King of Chase View Post
    Don't why whenever I see Pandya, I get afraid that he might cost us as an important match at the WC, especially with his bowling.
    He did well enough times to.warrant his place. He is a wicket taker

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    Drop Pandya and bring in a real bowler/batsman.

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    No,He's the kind of player who can bring back the game for his team with an amazing fielding effort or a breakthrough.He impacts the game one way or other.I would certainly want player like that in my team

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    One match will be lost only bcz of Pandya; hope that match isn't final if they are not facing Pakistan.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Don't see us ascending from 7th/6th in the near future. 5-0 in England and South Africa awaits us, we will be lucky to even draw one match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UN talkz View Post
    One match will be lost only bcz of Pandya; hope that match isn't final if they are not facing Pakistan.
    Who do you support bro?

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    With their strong batting they can afford a guy like Pandya who will come off once in a while, however, if they are relying on Pandya to bowl 10 overs every match then that is a recipe for disaster. I say keep him in the side.



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    No, he'll win India the world cup, he's a future Indian captain, the heir to the throne of king kohli

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohli, The King of Chase View Post
    Don't why whenever I see Pandya, I get afraid that he might cost us as an important match at the WC, especially with his bowling.
    allrounder place look like the same mostly. allthouge i think he must work on his batting if he want to plat in India team

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Who do you support bro?
    Both India and Pakistan with dedication and passion; but when it is Ind vs Pak; then definitely Pakistan.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Don't see us ascending from 7th/6th in the near future. 5-0 in England and South Africa awaits us, we will be lucky to even draw one match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UN talkz View Post
    Both India and Pakistan with dedication and passion; but when it is Ind vs Pak; then definitely Pakistan.
    Wow that’s pretty cool.

    So you want Kohli to score runs but Pakistan to win

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Wow that’s pretty cool.

    So you want Kohli to score runs but Pakistan to win
    Only Indian player i have hated in Gautam Gambhir;

    I would want Kohli to score a half-century and then get out quickly; he can be deadly if he scores a century.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Don't see us ascending from 7th/6th in the near future. 5-0 in England and South Africa awaits us, we will be lucky to even draw one match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UN talkz View Post
    Only Indian player i have hated in Gautam Gambhir;

    I would want Kohli to score a half-century and then get out quickly; he can be deadly if he scores a century.
    Ofcourse. I'd want the best players in both teams to do their best and finally my fav team to win. This is for any two teams, any sport, any venue.

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    Pandya is going the Afridi way. Brilliant in 1 match, rubbish in next 10. Plus more concerned about 'image' among fans.

    Would I pick such a player? Nope! They might win you an important match here and there but I would much rather prefer consistency.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Pandya is going the Afridi way. Brilliant in 1 match, rubbish in next 10. Plus more concerned about 'image' among fans.

    Would I pick such a player? Nope! They might win you an important match here and there but I would much rather prefer consistency.
    I will agree with you if you can name a consistently performing all rounder in India.

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    In his own head he is a superstar which i think leads to over confidnce and the bad performances.

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    If Hardik Pandya was 10% as good as he thinks/acts like, he'd be the new Imran Khan. But he's not. Massive case of superstar complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohli, The King of Chase View Post
    Don't why whenever I see Pandya, I get afraid that he might cost us as an important match at the WC, especially with his bowling.
    If you are depending so much on your 5th bowler, you do not deserve to win anyways.

    What I see is Pandya can bowl upto 145 kmph, thats a rarity for an Indian player who can hit a test hundred as well. Also, he is still in 2nd year of his international career, let him play and learn from mistakes rather than build up huge expectations. He is young and having some attitide is fine as long as he does not disrespect the game or his team mates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rishta Aunty View Post
    If Hardik Pandya was 10% as good as he thinks/acts like, he'd be the new Imran Khan. But he's not. Massive case of superstar complex.
    He is the find of tamasha league so obviously you will see some nautanki from him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    He is the find of tamasha league so obviously you will see some nautanki from him.
    Well there are other players who came through the IPL who have none of the ridiculous attitude that Pandya has. His teammate Bumrah is a great example in comparison. Pandya needs to let his performances speak for him, not act like he's already made it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketindiafan View Post
    If you are depending so much on your 5th bowler, you do not deserve to win anyways.

    What I see is Pandya can bowl upto 145 kmph, thats a rarity for an Indian player who can hit a test hundred as well. Also, he is still in 2nd year of his international career, let him play and learn from mistakes rather than build up huge expectations. He is young and having some attitide is fine as long as he does not disrespect the game or his team mates.
    Attitude with performance = Kohli
    Attitude(acting wala) without performance = Hardik Sobers Pandya

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    Is there any rule which says Hardik pandya is must be in Playing 11?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rishta Aunty View Post
    If Hardik Pandya was 10% as good as he thinks/acts like, he'd be the new Imran Khan. But he's not. Massive case of superstar complex.
    Lol what a hyperbole, it takes time for a player to develop, sir jadeja was meme star when he first came to international cricket, everyone wanted him dropped and he was the butt of most cricketing jokes but Team India persisted with him and he went on to become the no.1 test bowler in the world. Team India sees huge potential in pandya which is why they'll keep persisting with him

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    Get rid of him asap. He is toxic acid for team. Only thing he keeps improving is his hairs (in worse way)

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    How many times do I have to tell you guys ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    How many times do I have to tell you guys ???
    According to one pp expert, he's on course to be the next Ben Stokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam99 View Post
    Get rid of him asap. He is toxic acid for team. Only thing he keeps improving is his hairs (in worse way)
    Haha I am not surprised with your reaction. He is the best since Kapil Dev according to some die hard Pyjama League fans so he ain't going anywhere. Has an attitude of Imran Khan but performs like Stuart Binny. If you don't believe me watch his recent matches against South Africa.

    BCCI rested him during Nidhas Trophy as if he is some special world class player like Kohli. Guys like him should play each and every international game and improve themseleves.

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    3 runs from 19 balls in a T20...enough said.

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    He is a magnificent talent with the bat, much better than Fahim.

    However, he must not let this get over his head. Fahim may pass him due to hard work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    3 runs from 19 balls in a T20...enough said.
    Hardly enough said. S/R isn't an issue if the team is bowled out with balls remaining. Also his bowling 3-0-20-2 was quite decent.

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    I believe he is having a rough patch right now..

    Interesting to see how he performs in coming ODIs and if he can bounce back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Hardly enough said. S/R isn't an issue if the team is bowled out with balls remaining. Also his bowling 3-0-20-2 was quite decent.
    There is no excuse for a SR of 15 after facing 19 deliveries in a T20 match, especially when everyone who faced decent amount of deliveries had a much better SR

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    Better hitter than Afridi

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Better hitter than Afridi
    According to the the greatest pp expert, pandya will murder spinners

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    He need to secure his place first. I don’t think BCCI will select him for the next tour.

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    He's a good player of spin which is why he made the 70 odd runs against pakistan in the CT final. Not so great agaisnt pace though imo.

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    LMAO so this is another ipl superstar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    3 runs from 19 balls in a T20...enough said.
    He may have a 100 problems, but his SR ain't one.


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