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    One thing you can't accuse wahab off is a lack of pace!

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    150.4 ks shabba gujjaran ga mundya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Multan is also Punjab : )
    True - Islamabad was also part of Punjab in British period, In fact Peshawar as well, probably before 1890s.

    Lahore deserves a better team in PSL - it's the HQ of PAK cricket and home of some of the best ever cricketers. Barbados, NSW, Transvaal, Surrey, Yorkshire, Mumbai, Colombo & combined Punjab has produced half of cricket greats and this team is almost an insult.

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    150.8ks bowling well

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    Wahab sledging Sarfraz.Chal bhai ab aa team mai.

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    Wow another 151ks wahab on fire. Where are haters now?

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    Two consecutive balls of 150 kph plus from Wahab now thats some real pace

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    Was that Azam Khan in the red cap.

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    That looks not out.Bad decision by umpire.Twirl you stache now.

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    Yeah missed leg stump

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    All those 150ks thunderbolts and still no wicket

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    Wahab is really ticking me off now, a nothing player going at Sarfraz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    True - Islamabad was also part of Punjab in British period, In fact Peshawar as well, probably before 1890s.

    Lahore deserves a better team in PSL - it's the HQ of PAK cricket and home of some of the best ever cricketers. Barbados, NSW, Transvaal, Surrey, Yorkshire, Mumbai, Colombo & combined Punjab has produced half of cricket greats and this team is almost an insult.
    It's an insult to the city that produced legends like Imran, Wasim, Qadir. Even current Lahori boys are performing ok for other teams like Kakmal, Babar Azam, Wahab

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    Is this match too poor and embarrassing for you @Syed1

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    If this was LQ instead of QG, PZ would have still been the favorites.

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    Match goes into the last over

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendAli View Post
    Wahab is really ticking me off now, a nothing player going at Sarfraz.


    A nothing player like Sarfaraz goes at everybody else too. Just Karma. Chillax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    It's an insult to the city that produced legends like Imran, Wasim, Qadir. Even current Lahori boys are performing ok for other teams like Kakmal, Babar Azam, Wahab
    I didn't see much "Heart" from LQ players. To be honest, I found Mustafiz was there for the money, hardly any ownership - I saw him crying in losing a League game, which he brought close with last spell but couldn't finish.

    Don't think PSL'll emotionally attach players more than this if it's held in desert. Even in school games, we were far more committed - one reason of course was that I studied in Co-education ..... but still playing in UAE hardly brings it.

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    PZ deserves to get eliminated today, for sending MoHa as opener.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    @Chief Destroyer, why do you think Hasan failed with the new ball in NZ?
    50m ground, Munro is an aggressive leftie, first time opening on a true pitch.


    A skilled hawk conceals its talons.

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    Sarfaraz playing captains innnings here

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    Peahwar’s spin department has been letting them down, their fast bowlers have been exceptional

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    Bad day at work for Sarfraz critics

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    Azam Khan in QG's dug out is an even more of a disgraceful sight than Faisal Iqbal in KK's.

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    Umaid's bowled with good pace this game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Bad day at work for Sarfraz critics
    The rest of the week is pretty good though.

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    Quetta Glad won by 6 wickets

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I didn't see much "Heart" from LQ players. To be honest, I found Mustafiz was there for the money, hardly any ownership - I saw him crying in losing a League game, which he brought close with last spell but couldn't finish.

    Don't think PSL'll emotionally attach players more than this if it's held in desert. Even in school games, we were far more committed - one reason of course was that I studied in Co-education ..... but still playing in UAE hardly brings it.
    England as a venue was the best for Pak to play our cricket there but well Ijazz Butt had other plans. Can't blame pakistanis living in UAE because they are mostly labor class and don't have the time for luxuries like PSL unless its Friday or Thursday evening

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    Asghar struggling big time and has been a problem for PZ in season 3 with Ibtisam being new to the game. Only Dawson has been good among PZ spinners

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    England as a venue was the best for Pak to play our cricket there but well Ijazz Butt had other plans. Can't blame pakistanis living in UAE because they are mostly labor class and don't have the time for luxuries like PSL unless its Friday or Thursday evening
    If Pakistan make UK as venue for Home tests , it would benefit there cricket in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Umaid's bowled with good pace this game.
    He was 130 kph in his 1st few games and suddenly hitting 140 kph. So many pak pacers just turn it on. Big jump in pace that

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    Quote Originally Posted by ataullah View Post
    He was 130 kph in his 1st few games and suddenly hitting 140 kph. So many pak pacers just turn it on. Big jump in pace that
    They just need professional guidance to bowl at their potential.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Bad day at work for Sarfraz critics
    yeah. trademark Sarfraz knock after failing whole tournament.


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    "This business that it's 'up to Misbah' whether he wants to play or not – that's rubbish - it's up to the selectors," Chappell said.

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    Hahaha. Sarfaraz is saying pressure is there as how to adjust Jason Roy and Rashid Khan in the team when they will join the squad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Hahaha. Sarfaraz is saying pressure is there as how to adjust Jason Roy and Rashid Khan in the team when they will join the squad
    The inclusion of Roy and Rashid will boost their team but who will they take out? They are mostly relying on their foreign players anyway.

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    Slap on faces of Saifi haters..........





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    No praise from anyone for Saifi as expected. Him being a Karachiite does play a part I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaadAliG View Post
    No praise from anyone for Saifi as expected. Him being a Karachiite does play a part I believe.
    Yeah guys like @Sirris and @MRSN were mouthing off in the match thread but not man enough to appreciate Saifi when he does well.


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    What a brilliant knock from Sarfraz under pressure. Only he could have done it. No offence but Misbah, Hafeez, Malik, Akmals, Azhar, Shehzad etc etc all these guys are not a patch on Sarfraz. He's a class above the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I didn't see much "Heart" from LQ players. To be honest, I found Mustafiz was there for the money, hardly any ownership - I saw him crying in losing a League game, which he brought close with last spell but couldn't finish.

    Don't think PSL'll emotionally attach players more than this if it's held in desert. Even in school games, we were far more committed - one reason of course was that I studied in Co-education ..... but still playing in UAE hardly brings it.
    Considering how garbage Mustafiz was, LQ have improved since he left. Don't care if he didn't have any emotional attachment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Yeah guys like @Sirris and @MRSN were mouthing off in the match thread but not man enough to appreciate Saifi when he does well.
    Sarfraz did play well and smartly especially in the last two overs where he was hustling for singles instead of looking for glory shots. Which is a disease many Pakistani batsmen suffer from.

    You guys need to stop being over-sensitive

    When I said the following I wasn't being
    sarcastic I was actually rooting for the guy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sirris View Post
    Can sarfraz score more than 20 odd runs in a match and see his team home?
    Still him preferring to stick with his buddies such as Shafiq is something I can not overlook.

    You also won't find me praising some out of the blue knocks played by the likes of Malik, Kamran and Hafeez. But since they aren't from Karachi you guys don't really care.

    If Sarfraz being from Karachi would ever cause me to dislike him then that would be the direct result of the obnoxious, whining and pitiful attitude of some of his fans who are his fans just because of the city he is associated with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirris View Post
    Sarfraz did play well and smartly especially in the last two overs where he was hustling for singles instead of looking for glory shots. Which is a disease many Pakistani batsmen suffer from.

    You guys need to stop being over-sensitive

    When I said the following I wasn't being
    sarcastic I was actually rooting for the guy.




    Still him preferring to stick with his buddies such as Shafiq is something I can not overlook.

    You also won't find me praising some out of the blue knocks played by the likes of Malik, Kamran and Hafeez. But since they aren't from Karachi you guys don't really care.

    If Sarfraz being from Karachi would ever cause me to dislike him then that would be the direct result of the obnoxious, whining and pitiful attitude of some of his fans who are his fans just because of the city he is associated with.
    I didn't specifically blame you for criticizing Sarfaraz because of his city of origin, but there are a whole bunch of posters on here who oppose him just because he is from Karachi. This leads to siege mentality where if one of our own is unreasonably targeted the rest support him even if they don't agree with him on things.

    I have myself criticized Sarfaraz for continuing to back his "friends" and his lack of support for guys like Saud Shakeel, but people should be objective and praise a player when he does well also. I'm sure had Sarfaraz failed to "score more than 20 odd runs in a match", you and others would have burned him at the stake, but since he did well not a single post of appreciation. Mashallah.


    I hate on Misbah on every thread but even I appreciated it when he sent Shadab at 3 and then Talat at 3 and Shadab at 4 in successive matches.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    I didn't specifically blame you for criticizing Sarfaraz because of his city of origin, but there are a whole bunch of posters on here who oppose him just because he is from Karachi. This leads to siege mentality where if one of our own is unreasonably targeted the rest support him even if they don't agree with him on things.

    I have myself criticized Sarfaraz for continuing to back his "friends" and his lack of support for guys like Saud Shakeel, but people should be objective and praise a player when he does well also. I'm sure had Sarfaraz failed to "score more than 20 odd runs in a match", you and others would have burned him at the stake, but since he did well not a single post of appreciation. Mashallah.


    I hate on Misbah on every thread but even I appreciated it when he sent Shadab at 3 and then Talat at 3 and Shadab at 4 in successive matches.
    Actually I was supporting Zalmis and was hoping for Quetta to lose so that they are forced to rethink their team selection and to give false hope to the Qalandar boys. Hence there was some bitterness on my part regarding Quetta's win, no doubt. However Sarfaraz's personal success or failure had nothing to do with it. For the most part his success or failure in the PSL is pretty irrelevant to me.

    On the other hand I do enjoy the failures of Hafeez, Shehzad and Akmal brothers because they have been a burden on pak team for far too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Considering how garbage Mustafiz was, LQ have improved since he left. Don't care if he didn't have any emotional attachment.
    Jumping into posting, without thinking what's the context and what can be the response, that can make you look bad.

    Among LQ bowlers, Mustafiz was the best pacer by some margin till he was playing. Shaheen crossed his average in last game, still well behind in economy. Among all bowlers bowling over 10 overs, his economy was just behind Narine, 3rd if you consider 5 overs bowled by Fakhar. In PSL overall, bowlers with 10+ overs, his economy was 7th, among pacers only behind Irfan & Wahab - Raees could have crossed him, but he finished with 9'5 overs. Obviously, there was a reason why Mac called him for the super over.

    It's unfortunate that, you failed to understand the moral of the post - , it doesn't matter if even an under performing (if so) player isn't emotionally attached.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Jumping into posting, without thinking what's the context and what can be the response, that can make you look bad.

    Among LQ bowlers, Mustafiz was the best pacer by some margin till he was playing. Shaheen crossed his average in last game, still well behind in economy. Among all bowlers bowling over 10 overs, his economy was just behind Narine, 3rd if you consider 5 overs bowled by Fakhar. In PSL overall, bowlers with 10+ overs, his economy was 7th, among pacers only behind Irfan & Wahab - Raees could have crossed him, but he finished with 9'5 overs. Obviously, there was a reason why Mac called him for the super over.

    It's unfortunate that, you failed to understand the moral of the post, it doesn't matter if even an under performing (if so) player isn't emotionally attached.
    You sound like a broken record... You even said 5 teams of gully mohallah level BPL were better than the best PSL side. Mustafizur was the most pathetic signing in LQ history and he showed it with his performance. Couldn't even defend 15 against a guy like Asif Ali in the superover. In that same match he went for 10 runs an over when the rest of the bowlers in his side went for far less, but since he is Bangladeshi you will defend him. Everyday we read you bad mouthing PSL, but you show up again posting in every match thread. If it is so bad why are you wasting your precious time watching it? Isn't gully cricket in Dhaka better than Pakistan domestic? What happened to Pakistan playing for qualifiers for 2019 WC and celebrating after beating Uganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    You sound like a broken record... You even said 5 teams of gully mohallah level BPL were better than the best PSL side. Mustafizur was the most pathetic signing in LQ history and he showed it with his performance. Couldn't even defend 15 against a guy like Asif Ali in the superover. In that same match he went for 10 runs an over when the rest of the bowlers in his side went for far less, but since he is Bangladeshi you will defend him. Everyday we read you bad mouthing PSL, but you show up again posting in every match thread. If it is so bad why are you wasting your precious time watching it? Isn't gully cricket in Dhaka better than Pakistan domestic? What happened to Pakistan playing for qualifiers for 2019 WC and celebrating after beating Uganda.
    Buddy you won't get away this way - this is Saturday night. It's you, who is sounding like a broken record - got your medicine regarding Mustafiz, so went back to topics that's absolutely irrelevant here.

    I have explained many, many times - regrading the bold part which again & again you are misquoting to get a mileage for saving face - it's a broken record indeed, and not bringing glory to you. Since you don't have the shame, going back there for which, I have challenged you many, many times to prove - still, you are misquoting after got owned and trying to settle scores, for a totally different topic. Otherwise, Post #205 had enough inputs for you to save face and move on. Mustafiz can be a gully mohalla players, but he was hired as Gold category - that's PSL's standard and it's Brendon McCullum, who called him for the Super over, despite having an off day - that's his reputation, what you think about him hardly matters.

    By the way, I am doing exactly opposite of defending him - which went over your head. I don't need to defend Mustafiz for one bad game. BUT, what I didn't like is - being a professional, he should have been more dedicated for the cause of LQ - that was my point, which certainly is not defending him. May be, he was hired for 5 games and his focus was lost for National call midway, otherwise he is extremely committed cricketer - I expected him to be more emotionally attached with his team.


    Coming to Dhaka gully cricket - again, you are trying save skin by misquoting me, which you won't get away with - today is Saturday night. I never, and categorically I say - never said in terms of quality or skill set, Dhaka League is better than PAK Cup or QEA trophy; BUT, it's extremely professionally run and well organized, hence even now at least 5/6 Indian & PAK players including Salman Butt, Fawad Alam are playing there. Rather I always say that skill set isn't any issue yet in PAK domestics, but it's extremely mismanaged - unfortunately, after so many years if PP, you couldn't comprehend that part, what it's meant for and who is the target. If you were not simpleton, you would have noticed that, apart from very few, hardly anyone supports you or your posts in that regard - RATHER, to my surprise, I found much more support, even from PAK posters, for what was some really strong words - that actually indicates most posters are not fool, they are able to connect straight dots. And let me tell you one thing, which I never disclosed before - I spent 3 months to write an article on PAK cricket - after being requested & encouraged to do so. What I write, after quite a bit of home work.

    I never, and I categorically say - I never bad mouthed PSL. As usual, you are trying to save your dignity by posting a false acquisition. I explain what I see and I explain it with logic, examples - if you don't like that, it's your choice; I won't mind qualitative argument in proper spirit. And, I don't watch much of PSL, in fact T20 - it happens in working hour, so I keep connected via PP & CI. In weekends, unless there is Soccer games or other games, I do watch sometimes - but today, I hardly watched a ball of 1st game, and I never comment on something I didn't see or can't explain. This is one more foolish attempt from you, which you'll get caught very easily - you are accusing people on post (s), which is recorded in PP; posters won't spare you on that. It's not new for you to get caught so naively - few months back, @Abdullah719 exposed you badly in a post regarding Inzamam - if I can recall that till now, imagine how many here had a laugh at you that day?

    Coming to BPL - it's actually opposite - it's me who first said that, PSL's ceiling should be higher, because of the domestic supply. BUT, PLs & SLs are not for cricket only, it's a business, it's backed by running economy and spending power of mass. Success of any club sports doesn't depend only on domestic players - other factors are more dominant, hence it's a must for PSL to come to PAK to fulfill it's potential. I gave a perfect example for that as well, which again went above your head - if domestic players were only factor, then Brazil or Argentinean soccer league would have kept EPL in pocket ..... or that comparison of NHL & Russian Ice Hockey League would have been opposite.

    What I said that, personally I believe Dhaka Gladiators or Camilla Victorians would be competitive against every or most teams of PSL - on paper may be KK was better (that too, KK with their initial picks). But, both teams lost to Rangpur Raiders - that shows the quality of RR as well. BPL allows 5 foreigners; if you look at the foreign picks of these 2 teams, and then what sale by date foreigners are doing in PSL, you should have realized what could be the standard of these 3 teams. I read lots of bullish talks about BPL being saved by PAK players - the truth is that Fakhar & Amir spent almost entire BPL as reserves and Hasan half of the games - and I perfectly explained even with 5 foreigners, why Fakhar shouldn't expect to start for Comilla team, which posters did accept - at least none came to put counter logic. Still, it's your choice - you can check the roster of BPL and DD, CV, RR; I never imposed anything. In fact, I don't write anything on BPL or Bangladesh cricket for few posters like you here - didn't even celebrated today's T20 win, though I watched every ball.

    Any way, I NEVER respond any of your post, and never retaliate at any of your indirect digs. It's really unfortunate that, you make it unavoidable often and I don't want to block any poster here at PP. Long back, I wrote you a personal post in proper spirit, because I know the mindset of people of your age (and the impact of getting badly exposed in an on-line forum), which I am sure you are aware and some of the mods as well, but unfortunately you decided to ignore it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    England as a venue was the best for Pak to play our cricket there but well Ijazz Butt had other plans. Can't blame pakistanis living in UAE because they are mostly labor class and don't have the time for luxuries like PSL unless its Friday or Thursday evening
    Another problem (for them), is that Cricket is too complex a game - they would have loved much more with sub-standard but lots of "action-full" T20 games' because they hardly knows or can enjoy the finer skills of the game, neither the calculation behind it. Today, at Colombo around 429 runs were scored in 39'4 overs against quite poor quality bowling by both sides, hampered by dew as well - but that game kept everyone cheered for almost every ball. Cricket in Sharjah or Dubai actually doesn't produce those type of games much (thank God that Abu Dhabi was avoided) - even many of the high scoring games ended in dull one sided affairs. Besides, in UAE it'll always be individual players first, not the City brand.

    UK indeed is a relatively better venue, if ECB risks someone invading their cricket season; but best (actually only) sustainable solution is to bring it in PAK, at any standard & build from there on. Imran said that he would have started PSL in PAK, which might be a political statement, but he is not far from truth. Today, lots of foreign players are black mailing PCB - start it in PAK, obviously with proper arrangements (validated by independent professional organizations), I am sure many of the same foreigners will tour PAK for PSL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justcrazy View Post
    Pakistan have been underachiever long time. in both 96 and 99 WC Pakistan had good teams , should have won one more WC. In 96 , Playing Miandad was wastage of a spot.
    1987 WC as well. Also, made WI of 1979 sweat - only team to come close to doing such to THAT team.

    But, I think, PAK's worst WC was 2003 one - format was such that even with a slow start one can make up (which wasn't the case in 2007) and that team was experienced, may be too experienced. Also, losing to WI at Dhaka in 1998 ICC KO Cup was a poor show, and they managed to do so thrice more - losing to NZ, SRL & WI in KO games.

    1999 was OK - lost to the better team on the day, and that was the start of a true juggernaut of cricket for next decade. That AUS side lost to PAK & NZ in group stages of 1999 WC - then it took good 12 years & 35/36 games to beat them again in 2011, for PAK to inflict next ODI WC defeat for AUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Babar was not out when Pak scored 201 against NZ and he scored 50 of 29 balls. Cant blame him for what he has done in the past recently he has been good considering any benchmark
    That indicates a bad thing unfortunately - he has the ability, which most people like to think opposite. My initial post was exactly pointing this - most of Babar's T20 innings are not for muscle power......

    However, that ground was too small. I actually am well aware of that innings - wrote a detailed comparison with FZ's innings in that game - same score, 1 less ball (2 actually, he was out on the 28th ball), but occupying entire PPlay. And, I did rate Babar's innings better.


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