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    Babar Azam vs Hussain Talat

    Babar has many records to his name. But he's looked more like an impact less batsmen.

    Whereas, Hussain has some fire in him. Plays as per situation.

    Has that aggression in his body language as well. Some shots were Kohlisque. Also bowls.

    If Babar doesn't improve and if Hussain keeps on improving, then I can see a day when Hussain would surpass Babar .

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    Certainly Hussain can surpass Babar. But I hope for Pakistan's sake that both turn into greats.

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    They, Now, bat at different positions.

    Cant compare Rohit Sharma to Suresh Raina.

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    Both deserve a spot in the Pak LOI squads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    They, Now, bat at different positions.

    Cant compare Rohit Sharma to Suresh Raina.
    Rohit bats at 1, and Raina at 5.

    Whereas Babar and Hussain bat at 3 and 4. Both are similar positions.

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    Need to see Talat against genuine pace.
    So far he passes the test against trundlers and spinners.

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    Hussain has the power game and bats well against spin while Babar is good against pace.

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    Seems great.

    3: Babar Azam
    4: Harris Sohail
    5: Hussain Talat



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummii View Post
    Seems great.

    3: Babar Azam
    4: Harris Sohail
    5: Hussain Talat


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    both are vital for Pakistan, Babar Azam is a complete batsman and Talat is a clean hitter. Will form a backbone of the Pakistan batting at 3 and 4 positions respectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CadPakFan View Post
    No Sarfi?
    We all know that he won't place himself on top 6 so I think it's better to observe some current facts as well. For me it should be.

    1: Fakhar
    2: (Any other opener)
    3: Babar
    4: Haris
    5: Talat
    6: Sarfi
    7: Shadab
    8: Faheem/Imad ( I know Imad is useless but he will be in playing 11 as some people considered him as a future captain)
    9: Amir
    10: Hassan
    11: Junaid/Usman

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    I hope it does not happen.

    Babaar is a specialist batsman , he should play better than Talat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohli, The King of Chase View Post
    Babar has many records to his name. But he's looked more like an impact less batsmen.

    Whereas, Hussain has some fire in him. Plays as per situation.

    Has that aggression in his body language as well. Some shots were Kohlisque. Also bowls.

    If Babar doesn't improve and if Hussain keeps on improving, then I can see a day when Hussain would surpass Babar .
    Yup the guy has that x factor about him which Hassan Ali showed or Shadab showed even before making their international debut.

    Babar is a top LOIs player and will improve, tests are bit of a concern for both
    Last edited by Titan24; 14th March 2018 at 10:34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohli, The King of Chase View Post
    Rohit bats at 1, and Raina at 5.

    Whereas Babar and Hussain bat at 3 and 4. Both are similar positions.
    Okay Kohli and Raina then.

    Talat is made to bat at 5 generally. And thats the only slot open for him Pakistan team.

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    We don't need Talat's bowling. For God's sake, just tell him to concentrate on his batting and become a world class batsman. That is what we require!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    We don't need Talat's bowling. For God's sake, just tell him to concentrate on his batting and become a world class batsman. That is what we require!!!
    He's trying to prove his mettle to MA. It's not working in his favor.

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    Why not let Babar open an talat comes 1 down for Pakistan.Solves lot of issues

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    Hussain Talat would easily surpass Babar, I reckon.

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    Poor Babar would lose his Star tag when Hussain makes the team.

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    It looks like he’s more of a batsmen than a bowler.

    If his batting is as good as it looks, he could probably make the national team with his batting alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j_kazmi View Post
    It looks like he’s more of a batsmen than a bowler.

    If his batting is as good as it looks, he could probably make the national team with his batting alone.
    I completely disregard his bowling, he'd be best suited to do the same and focus on his batting. We have always had a philosophy of specialist bowlers in LOIs instead of bits and pieces players chipping in with harmless overs to lay off the tempo, we don't need a Talat to contribute to that. What we need is a dynamic middle order batsman.

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    Babar is way ahead right now. No match right now.

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    A few big hits does not make Talat > Babar.

    Babar is still the most stylish and dependable batsman for Pak in LOI cricket. He may not be able to hit big every match, but he does bring it every once in a while.

    Talat is a talented hitter. But you cannot select him as a pure batsman IMO. He needs to play as an all rounder which is already a tightly contested position with Shadab, Faheem vying for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    Babar is way ahead right now. No match right now.
    Huh? Mind explaining how? As far as I can see, Babar is one dimensional where he can only knock it around for singles and is quite poor against spinners. Talat on the other hand, is strong against both pace and spin. On top of that that, he can knock it around or pick up the pace unlike Babar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    A few big hits does not make Talat > Babar.

    Babar is still the most stylish and dependable batsman for Pak in LOI cricket. He may not be able to hit big every match, but he does bring it every once in a while.

    Talat is a talented hitter. But you cannot select him as a pure batsman IMO. He needs to play as an all rounder which is already a tightly contested position with Shadab, Faheem vying for it.
    Talat is a Raina-esque late order finisher - he is far from just a "talented hitter"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Talat is a Raina-esque late order finisher - he is far from just a "talented hitter"
    If Talat is anywhere close to what Raina is, then Pak has hit jackpot.

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    With Fakhar, Babar, Haris, Talat, Shadab and Faheem our batting is going in the right direction alhamdullilah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    With Fakhar, Babar, Haris, Talat, Shadab and Faheem our batting is going in the right direction alhamdullilah.
    Remove Haris. He is not a hitter and he looks over weight.

    Not sold on Faheem's batting yet. A good 5th bowler though.

    Fakhar, Talat and Shadab are exciting bats from what I have seen so far. You can add asif Ali. Impressed with him.

    Babar is reliable and the backbone of your LOI team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Remove Haris. He is not a hitter and he looks over weight.

    Not sold on Faheem's batting yet. A good 5th bowler though.

    Fakhar, Talat and Shadab are exciting bats from what I have seen so far. You can add asif Ali. Impressed with him.

    Babar is reliable and the backbone of your LOI team.
    How is Haris overweight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    A few big hits does not make Talat > Babar.

    Babar is still the most stylish and dependable batsman for Pak in LOI cricket. He may not be able to hit big every match, but he does bring it every once in a while.

    Talat is a talented hitter. But you cannot select him as a pure batsman IMO. He needs to play as an all rounder which is already a tightly contested position with Shadab, Faheem vying for it.

    Talat is more of a batsmen than all rounder. His bowling is just a bonus . Pakistan need him at 4 or 5.

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    Babar is far more complete. Talat would be exposed against high quality bowling in the top 3 at this stage.


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    I think Talat has more potential than weak boy Babar. Babar mostly scores soft runs or runs against WI, SL. Obviously Talat has a long way to go but Babar is seriously overrated.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    I think Talat has more potential than weak boy Babar. Babar mostly scores soft runs or runs against WI, SL. Obviously Talat has a long way to go but Babar is seriously overrated.
    Lol. Youíll see soon enough. Itís called development.

    Babar is developing and so is Talat.

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    Today is the test for both, in an important game.

    Let's see who performs better.

    Moreover, Hussain is going to face Amir, Usman, Afridi and Imad.

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    Timid batsman OUT for a GOLDEN *UCK

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    Babar had a 0(2) today
    Talat had a 0(2) on Friday


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    One thing we know for sure is that Talar is a terrible fielder, just wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    If Talat is anywhere close to what Raina is, then Pak has hit jackpot.
    Raina was an average batsmen mostly feast on Asian conditions. His game against pace in good conditions was weak...thatís why when AUS score 300+ in SF, I new India would struggle to compete. Going after Johnson and Starc is above the level of Raina and Dhoni in AUS.

    This is true for all Indian batsmen except Kohli and Dhawan. You get them India will rattle, even they would struggle to chase 320+ when stakes are high, because they have to play a high risk game upfront that is not natural to them.

    Where as ENG has too many power players, that makes them dangerous. On western flat tracks, they are most dangerous team ATM.

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    I am very disappointed by Babar, he is not developing, have same issues and making same mistakes when he debut. Plus cannot rise to the occasion. I have cut down my hopes from him. We have to look for better no 3, he is just a make shift till we get better player...All those runs against WI and SL are meaning less. Hafeez has avg of 40 against minnows, against real teams he sits in teens, Babar is not too far

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cozyrensetter View Post
    Why not let Babar open an talat comes 1 down for Pakistan.Solves lot of issues
    Is this for the team’s benefit or to challenge Babar to get out of his comfort zone

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    Babar is the better player for now. Hopefully Talat is playing international cricket soon.

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    Why is this a discussion, Talat hasn't put on the green shirt yet, Babar has made one of the best starts to one's ODI career in history, albeit mainly off the back of minnow bashing. Babar still has a long way and many flaws to iron out to become a top tier, reliable number 3, but Talat has everything to prove to enter the conversation...We must get Talat into the side asap however, can't make it another case of Haris Sohail where we leave someone out for too long.

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    Talat looks like quite a talent. Raina's name was thrown around before, and I would definitely say that he should be the template for him to develop. A clutch ODI hitter is worth their weight in gold in today's game. Hopefully we fast track him into the side, especially for the games against WI and SL.etc

    I'd actually put him at #3 like how Dhoni used to be promoted against us in that series at home vs India (2005-2006 if my memory serves me right). No use in playing Babar there just to let him collect his customary 100 to prop up his failings elsewhere.

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    Talat has problems against 145+ bowlers which Babar doesnt have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Talat has problems against 145+ bowlers which Babar doesnt have.
    That's not true, Babar struggle to go after Wahab, Sami, Hasan who are better fast bowlers. Babar power game and defense both are weak against spin, his bottom hand grip was an issue since the beginning, he has not fixed it thus far, He struggles against them. Not to mention new ball is a big challenge with him, lazy front stride means more often than not, he will nick or found on crease with new ball... He struggles to rotate strike(again lazy foot work makes his defense weak, he cannot find gaps, he loose his confidence and wicket more often than not), which is the main reason he has failed at test level.

    There are lot of fundamental issues with Babar, those issues has not been addressed in 2/3 years since his debut, he hides behind meaning less centuries in UAE against weak oppositions. I am not liking success of his template... Sharjeel and Fakhir were/are atleast standing up to the challenge. Babar/Harris cannot do that in ODIs. Harris can be a really good test player, but his game is not suited for ODI either...We are in big whole when it comes to no 3, we don't have Kohl/KW/Roots/Smith kind of well rounded player not even on horizon, Babar is not developing to be like one, he is going the route of most of medicore Pakistanis, not the likes of Anwar/Inzi/MoYo/YK that some are lead to believe, it is more of hope than what is ground reality ATM...


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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    That's not true, Babar struggle to go after Wahab, Sami, Hasan who are better fast bowlers. Babar power game and defense both are weak against spin, his bottom hand grip was an issue since the beginning, he has not fixed it thus far, He struggles against them. Not to mention new ball is a big challenge with him, lazy front stride means more often than not, he will nick or found on crease with new ball... He struggles to rotate strike(again lazy foot work makes his defense weak, he cannot find gaps, he loose his confidence and wicket more often than not), which is the main reason he has failed at test level.

    There are lot of fundamental issues with Babar, those issues has not been addressed in 2/3 years since his debut, he hides behind meaning less centuries in UAE against weak oppositions. I am not liking success of his template... Sharjeel and Fakhir were/are atleast standing up to the challenge. Babar/Harris cannot do that in ODIs. Harris can be a really good test player, but his game is not suited for ODI either...We are in big whole when it comes to no 3, we don't have Kohl/KW/Roots/Smith kind of well rounded player not even on horizon, Babar is not developing to be like one, he is going the route of most of medicore Pakistanis, not the likes of Anwar/Inzi/MoYo/YK that some are lead to believe, it is more of hope than what is ground reality ATM...
    Spot on - Babar Azam is overhyped on PP. He wouldn't make any of the top 5 ODI sides in the world. In England has played around 10 ODIs and has yet to score a 50 along with a SR of just 80. In Australia his SR was also the same with a decent average however this was inflated by a selfish hundred when the team was chasing 350+.

    His last ODI series in NZ was a shocker which is really disappointing because when he toured there for the first time he was excellent - his confidence has been shot following the initial purple patch and seems very timid as a batsman.

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    Didn't expect we can witness the competition so early.

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    Babar is already an ATG. Best batsman right now in Pak and 2nd best in Asia.

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    Looks better hitter than Babar

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    Both are tuktuks

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    Both together Now.

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    Surpassing each other.

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    He definitely can push for Babar's number 3 spot in ODIs. Babar might get forced to open permanently.

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    Nice to watch these two bat together.


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    Healthy competition

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    Talat can develop a power game - Babar's been struggling at it.

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    Hussain Talat is a powerhouse while Babar is the anchor bat of the team. Can not really compare them. But yea will be interesting to see who becomes our leading bat in ODI next year.


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    Loving the combination

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    Talat is much useful player overall due to his bowling.

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    Seems like Babar is going to open the innings in LOI as well along with Fakhar.
    3. Harris
    4. Sarfi
    5. Talat
    6. Malik

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    Both will have different roles in the team. Babar is a top order batsman who is in my opinion since Inzamam Ul Haq possibly the best ODI batsman Pakistan has produced and the numbers also agree with that.

    Talat could well become a very good no.3 or 4 batsman for Pakistan but still needs to develop a lot of things. He plays a lot of his drives in the air which good teams will pick up on and bowl according to their fields and get him out playing a stroke in the infield. Babar is still a far more controlled batsman than Talat but indeed it is refreshing to see Pakistan having good batsmen who are able to bat at a high strike rate taking minimal risks. Babar having a very low dot ball percentage in T20s is significant to Pakistan as Pakistan struggled with that in LOI cricket due to the likes of Ahmed Shehzad, Misbah Ul Haq and also Younis Khan to a certain extent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    We don't need Talat's bowling. For God's sake, just tell him to concentrate on his batting and become a world class batsman. That is what we require!!!
    LOL He bowls 135kph, we defo need his bowling to develop he could be a world class All-Rounder


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    Once Talat tightens up his technique he will be a beast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakSarZameen View Post
    He definitely can push for Babar's number 3 spot in ODIs. Babar might get forced to open permanently.
    That would be great for Pakistan as 2nd opener is basically a wasted slot ATM

    With Babar opening alongside Fakhar, we can have Harris at 3, Talat at 4, Sarf at 5


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    I would prefer us to work on another opener rather than pushing Babar up in Odis. Otherwise against better teams we are Fahkar or bust.

    Talat should bat at 5 or 6 in Odis, with Sarfraz at 4


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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    I would prefer us to work on another opener rather than pushing Babar up in Odis. Otherwise against better teams we are Fahkar or bust.

    Talat should bat at 5 or 6 in Odis, with Sarfraz at 4
    Fakhar
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    Sarfaraz

    If the top 4 fire, then Sarfi doesnít even need to bat. If they donít, he can save the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Fakhar
    Haris
    Babar
    Talat
    Sarfaraz

    If the top 4 fire, then Sarfi doesnít even need to bat. If they donít, he can save the day.
    Thatís a great lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Fakhar
    Haris
    Babar
    Talat
    Sarfaraz

    If the top 4 fire, then Sarfi doesn’t even need to bat. If they don’t, he can save the day.
    Why waste Sarfraz at 6 his record in the middle is great and I think after AB he has the lowest dot ball percentage in recent years.

    He did so well in the middle vs England, where most of our batsmen flopped yet I don’t think he has played there since. That was so we could accomodate the Professor but he is gone now (I hope )


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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    Why waste Sarfraz at 6 his record in the middle is great and I think after AB he has the lowest dot ball percentage in recent years.

    He did so well in the middle vs England, where most of our batsmen flopped yet I donít think he has played there since. That was so we could accomodate the Professor but he is gone now (I hope )
    Heís at 5 in that team which is another position heís been successful. Thing is that Iíd rather send Talat in before Sarfaraz because if Talat fires then he can play a big impactful knock.

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    B AZAM 114 RUNS

    H TALAT 104 RUNS and 3 WICKETS

    Slightly ahead/ at par with Babar just in his first series.

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    Talat looks the more dynamic of the two for sure but if Babar opens with Fakhar and Talat bats at 4 in ODIs we will be fine. Talat can be the guy for middle overs consolidation which our ODI team lacks severely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    He’s at 5 in that team which is another position he’s been successful. Thing is that I’d rather send Talat in before Sarfaraz because if Talat fires then he can play a big impactful knock.
    Yeah Talat at 4 would be perfect for ODIs.

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    Talat remind me of Suresh Raina instead of Yuvraj. If he can work on his bowling then he can be Pakistani version of Kallis or Watson.

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    Both Fakhar and Haris are left handers, I will prefer to open with Fakhar and Babar, followed by Haris, Saifi and Talat.
    Thus it will give us left and right hand combination most of the times.
    Fakhar
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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistanigoneaussie View Post
    Why waste Sarfraz at 6 his record in the middle is great and I think after AB he has the lowest dot ball percentage in recent years.

    He did so well in the middle vs England, where most of our batsmen flopped yet I don’t think he has played there since. That was so we could accomodate the Professor but he is gone now (I hope )
    Because Babar, Haris and even Talat are superior batsman to Sarfraz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayed View Post
    Both Fakhar and Haris are left handers, I will prefer to open with Fakhar and Babar, followed by Haris, Saifi and Talat.
    Thus it will give us left and right hand combination most of the times.
    Fakhar
    Babar
    Harris
    Saifi
    Talat
    Malik
    I agree with this line up.

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    ODI Playing 11

    Fakhar
    Sarfaraz
    Babar
    Talat
    Harris
    Asif
    Shadab
    Fahim
    Zafar
    Hassan
    Aamer

    Bench

    Usman
    Shaheen
    Nawaz
    Sahibzada
    Shahzad

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    Let's see who ends up with more runs, of these two.

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    Both looking head to head.

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    So, who had the better series?

    Bobs had 165 runs and Talat made 135.

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