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    India doesn’t have the pace bowlers to win the World Cup

    Jaydev Unadkat, Shardul Thakur, Mohammad Siraj, Dhawal Kulkarni. These are all club level bowlers and not any better than the previous crop of Praveen Kumar, RP Singh, Irfan Pathan etc.

    Now that Shami has a doubtful future....with an exception of Bumrah, India’s ODI pace bowling cupboard looks more or less empty.

    With this kind of bench strength Indians can abandon any hope of winning the world cup.

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    We've never depended upon our bowlers, at least in ODI cricket. We have always depended upon our batsmen for our opposition to have a chance against us in ODI cricket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    Jaydev Unadkat, Shardul Thakur, Mohammad Siraj, Dhawal Kulkarni. These are all club level bowlers and not any better than the previous crop of Praveen Kumar, RP Singh, Irfan Pathan etc.

    Now that Shami has a doubtful future....with an exception of Bumrah, India’s ODI pace bowling cupboard looks more or less empty.

    With this kind of bench strength Indians can abandon any hope of winning the world cup.
    Please watch some domestic matches.

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    Don't you know Indian bowlers are always on the beast mode in ICC tournaments?
    And bowling attack having Bhuvi, Bumrah,Umesh, Shami(probably), Shardul are surely not of club standards..Only Pandya is weak link.

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    Obviously, it’s been your spinners who have been winning you matches.

    BK isn’t good in ODIs and Bumrah is a defensive bowler.

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    BK, Bumrah, Kuldeep, Chahal, Pandya, Sundar, Shankar and hopefully another bowler from IPL.

    Our strength in the recent performances in ODI's is the economy of BK & Bumrah and the Spin duo of Kuldeep & Chahal. Pandya is also pretty decent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectrum View Post
    Don't you know Indian bowlers are always on the beast mode in ICC tournaments?
    And bowling attack having Bhuvi, Bumrah,Umesh, Shami(probably), Shardul are surely not of club standards..Only Pandya is weak link.
    Shardul is a dud. Pandya is decent. Show me one match where Pandya was taken to the cleaners in ODI's? At worst, he goes at 7 RPO.

    Pandya was pretty good in the CT 2017.

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    True, sad we have only an year to find some talented raw bowler.


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    The fast bowling back up is absolute tripe . Most first class sides have better pacers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    True, sad we have only an year to find some talented raw bowler.
    None of these pacers have pace or quality or variations. Even Pandya bowls slower balls and well directed bouncers.

    Even our U19 bowlers Nagarkoti and Mavi were bowling Yorkers at over 140 clicks. Yet these so called backups can neither touch 140 nor can bowl a Yorker or Slower delivery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectrum View Post
    Don't you know Indian bowlers are always on the beast mode in ICC tournaments?
    And bowling attack having Bhuvi, Bumrah,Umesh, Shami(probably), Shardul are surely not of club standards..Only Pandya is weak link.
    Indian bowlers usually do well in the WC. It is the batting which is of more concern. We may end up with too many older batsmen in the team, rather than giving a chance to the new talent like Gill, Shaw etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectrum View Post
    Don't you know Indian bowlers are always on the beast mode in ICC tournaments?
    And bowling attack having Bhuvi, Bumrah,Umesh, Shami(probably), Shardul are surely not of club standards..Only Pandya is weak link.
    Umesh is an ordinary ODI bowler. And if he is in the mix of things, then he must be played in the XI. Why is he not playing?
    Shami, as I mentioned has a doubtful future but would be good to see him back.
    Bhuvi is a rubbish ODI bowler. He can turn it around but I don’t rate him at the moment.
    Shardul? Seriously? This guy can be taken apart by any top class batsman. I’m not talking about competing well at the world cup, I’m talking about winning it. Shardul doesn’t give any confidence that he would handle a Guptill, Roy or Warner in a final.
    Who’s left? Pandya? Well, I just read a post saying that he’s not bad coz he goes at 7 RPO at worse. If a bowler not getting taken to cleaners makes us satisfied then we are any way in a deep trouble.

    Every world cup winning team has had good bowlers for the conditions. Akram, Starc, McGrath with great support in Imran, Hazlewood, Lee. Who do we have?

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    Bumrah is a world class talent, him and one of Chahal or Kuldeep are enough for a bowling line up to go all the way, supported by other ok to decent bowlers, in the current era of not so much world class batting prospects.

    Varun Aaron should be brought back.

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    The starting pacers are good enough, the reserve ranks are the issue. If Bumrah's injured, your campaign is dead in the water. If everyone is fit, shouldn't be an issue.

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    Bumrah - Best pacer in Asia.
    Shami - 3rd best in ODIs after Bumrah and Hasan Ali.
    Bhuvi - Ideal bowler in English conditions.
    Umesh - Can swing at 90mph, has done well in England.

    And then you have Ishant, Pandaya and some real impressive U19 guys. This looks like an above average pace attack to be honest and that's all you need when you have Kuldeep, Chahal, Ashwin and jadeja as spinners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    Bumrah is a world class talent, him and one of Chahal or Kuldeep are enough for a bowling line up to go all the way, supported by other ok to decent bowlers, in the current era of not so much world class batting prospects.

    Varun Aaron should be brought back.
    Varun Aaron is barely surviving in domestics. If he somehow ends up playing, I can guarantee he will get hit for 100+ in his 10 in at least one game. If not, I will change my user name to Lassan Pakoda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    Varun Aaron is barely surviving in domestics. If he somehow ends up playing, I can guarantee he will get hit for 100+ in his 10 in at least one game. If not, I will change my user name to Lassan Pakoda.
    Come on, man, check his List A average. Better than Unadkat, B Kumar and Yadav etc.

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    Bhuvi,Bumrah,Chahal,Kuldeep and pandya are our 5 bowlers with sundar and shami/umesh as backup.
    WC will be decided by our wrist spinners and middle order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    Come on, man, check his List A average. Better than Unadkat, B Kumar and Yadav etc.
    Some guys here are getting too exciting looking at these 3rd grade selections for the series. Literally every IPL side has at minimum one Indian pacer who deserves a spot ahead of these guys.

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    Shami is truly wicket taking bowler in odis and test cricket it will be really sad if he can't play cricket again.

    Bhuvi is not wicket taker in odi but can be handy player (idk if worth playing pandya + bhuvi in same match) Bumrah is only great odi bowler we got along with kuldeep.

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    Look every single bowler struggle on flat pitches. ICC tournament most pitches will be either slow or flat. what we have currently complement each other greatly, remember, at current Nidahas trophy, our 2nd tire bowlers are bowling, and Sl and Bangla aren't bad t20 side. I think the way Shankar bowled today was amazing, with slower ball and knuckle ball. I think we have very competitive pace attack. And among the best spin brigade, with addition of Washington Sunder now. WOW what a bowler.


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    We have to wait for IPL to conclude and see how the likes of Khaleel and the U19 stars Nagarkoti & Mavi bowl.

    Hoping one of the 3 have it in them against the big boys.

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    Bhuvi is rubbish in ODIs? Who are you and which planet are you from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    Come on, man, check his List A average. Better than Unadkat, B Kumar and Yadav etc.
    His recent performances have not been that good. At Aaron’s pace the ball comes very nicely to the bat, and much like Wahab he is super inconsistent. Pace without consistency. All the ingredients for a disaster.

    Any way, Mohammad Siraj has an average of 19 in list A.

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    As some posters have already mentioned, the pace bowling will be fine.

    As most teams, the Indian team has 4 facets - top order, middle order, pace bowling, and spin bowling.

    Our top order is the best in the world, Middle order is one of the worst, spin is also one of the best in the world and the pacers are decent. For India to do well, the middle order will need to deliver. If they deliver, we will reach the semis.

    After the semis, its how you play on the day.

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    Bhuvneshwar, Bumrah need to be fit. There is no replacement for these two. Pandya will go for a few but has a knack of picking up wickets. 3 top class spinners in Chahal, Kuldeep and Washington. All they need is a good back up pacer. Unadkat is useless. Thakur blows hot and cold. Umesh is a spray gun and Shami I think is done.

    After CT final, they made quite a few changes and got a couple of brilliant wrist spinners. Their biggest hunt was for a solid No.4 and have failed to find one. That's their biggest worry now

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    indian bowlers ALWAYS perform batter in icc tournament . bumrah is world best bowler currently, bhuvi,thakur,shami,pandya all are good bowler.also india have best spin bowlers in world .so dn't worry about india .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Bhuvi is rubbish in ODIs? Who are you and which planet are you from?
    He isn’t? He averages worse than almost every fast bowler who has played for India in the recent times. Ishant Sharma, Dhawal Kulkarni, Shardul Thakur, Jaydev Unadkat, Vinay Kumar, Umesh Yadav, Varun Aaron. You name it. That’s quite a feat.

    I did say he can turn it around, but right now he is ordinary.

    How do you rate him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Bhuvneshwar, Bumrah need to be fit. There is no replacement for these two. Pandya will go for a few but has a knack of picking up wickets. 3 top class spinners in Chahal, Kuldeep and Washington. All they need is a good back up pacer. Unadkat is useless. Thakur blows hot and cold. Umesh is a spray gun and Shami I think is done.

    After CT final, they made quite a few changes and got a couple of brilliant wrist spinners. Their biggest hunt was for a solid No.4 and have failed to find one. That's their biggest worry now
    This.
    All the talk about bowling, but everyone conveniently forgot the ailing middle order.

    So far, India found none. Looks like we will be stuck with the useless bunch of Pandey/Iyer/Jadhav/Karthik and the musical chair competition between them.

    Our bowling will be fine. BK/Bumrah/Kuldeep/Chahal/Pandya/Sundar will form the main stays. At least these guys have proven they can perform. Hoping that Shami comes out clean in a few months. Bowling is not the problem.

    Problem is the Top heavy batting and then nothing after that. India will make it to Semis for sure. But after that if Top order collapses, it will be CT Finals all over again.

    Shame on Shastri and Selectors for not trying to trying out some new faces. Only new face, Iyer was tried and he is not the answer. Then we went back to TTF's like Karthik

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    Bhuvi, Bumrah, Kuldeep and Chahal are not a concern. Even Umesh seems to have got back into form in the recent first class matches.

    The real issue is the 5th bowler's overs which will be bowled by Pandya, Kedar Jadhav and Raina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    He isn’t? He averages worse than almost every fast bowler who has played for India in the recent times. Ishant Sharma, Dhawal Kulkarni, Shardul Thakur, Jaydev Unadkat, Vinay Kumar, Umesh Yadav, Varun Aaron. You name it. That’s quite a feat.

    I did say he can turn it around, but right now he is ordinary.

    How do you rate him?
    BK's average is bad because he does not get wickets in ODI's. But make no mistake, he always keeps it tight. He is a gun bowler when it comes to bowling at the death along with Bumrah.

    For taking wickets, we have Bumrah and spinners. All BK has to do is go at 5 RPO and his job is done. BK is also a decent batsman. Can hope for a few runs down the order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    BK's average is bad because he does not get wickets in ODI's. But make no mistake, he always keeps it tight. He is a gun bowler when it comes to bowling at the death along with Bumrah.

    For taking wickets, we have Bumrah and spinners. All BK has to do is go at 5 RPO and his job is done. BK is also a decent batsman. Can hope for a few runs down the order.
    He was our most expensive front line bowler against SA. Averaged 55+ with a 5.5+ economy in the series where other bowlers were having eco of less than 4.5. If you stop taking wickets your eco starts increasing eventually. Saw it with Harbhajan too. Bhuvi's eco used to hover around 4.5-4.7 and now its creeping up to 5. If I am not wrong he gave away 100+ in a game against NZ too. Unreliable with the eco, reliable with not getting wickets.
    Last edited by BreadPakoda; 14th March 2018 at 16:32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    He isn’t? He averages worse than almost every fast bowler who has played for India in the recent times. Ishant Sharma, Dhawal Kulkarni, Shardul Thakur, Jaydev Unadkat, Vinay Kumar, Umesh Yadav, Varun Aaron. You name it. That’s quite a feat.

    I did say he can turn it around, but right now he is ordinary.

    How do you rate him?
    He is very good with the new ball and a death specialist. His economy is 5.2 in the last 2 years and is fantastic considering he bowls exclusively in the power play overs. Swings the new ball, provides a break through and contains the dashers at the end. Can bat a bit too and is a good fielder at the boundary. Very valuable to this Indian team

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    He was our most expensive front line bowler against SA. Averaged 55+ with a 5.5+ economy in the series where other bowlers were having eco of less than 4.5. If you stop taking wickets your eco starts increasing eventually. Saw it with Harbhajan too. Bhuvi's eco used to hover around 4.5-4.7 and now its creeping up to 5. If I am not wrong he gave away 100+ in a game against NZ too. Unreliable with the eco, reliable with not getting wickets.
    Correction. His eco was 6.09 and average 100+. Not sure where I got the earlier numbers from.

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    Bhuvi's 3 year stats excluding minnows
    Avg: 46.27
    Eco: 5.72

    Come on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    His recent performances have not been that good. At Aaron’s pace the ball comes very nicely to the bat, and much like Wahab he is super inconsistent. Pace without consistency. All the ingredients for a disaster.

    Any way, Mohammad Siraj has an average of 19 in list A.
    Siraj is a good option as well, with such an average. But Aaron has a better List A average than Wahab, hence he won't go his route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    Siraj is a good option as well, with such an average. But Aaron has a better List A average than Wahab, hence he won't go his route.
    I believe we’ve seen enough of Siraj in his last few Intl outings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    For taking wickets, we have Bumrah and spinners. All BK has to do is go at 5 RPO and his job is done. BK is also a decent batsman. Can hope for a few runs down the order.
    Bumrah has only taken more than 2 wickets once against non minnows.

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    I don't think India have a weak bowling attack. People really underrate Indian bowling these days. They have good death overs bowlers and got wicket taking spinners in the middle. Their bowlers will make sure they are chasing less than 270 which is chaseable by their batting. CT final was an exception.


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    when they post mamoth totals on the board, those 3star bowlers become 7star... not much to worry there, but yes they could use a better crop of fast bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    I believe we’ve seen enough of Siraj in his last few Intl outings.
    No way, as T20I and ODI formats are different altogether.

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    U19 bowlers were good. Arent we won the world cup U19?
    Selectors are not giving changes to right people. I am expecting Jaydev will bring back to replace Siraj in next match. Tried and tested failure.
    May be Jaydev, thakur, siraz can swng the bowl in english condition. Possible ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRSN View Post
    I don't think India have a weak bowling attack. People really underrate Indian bowling these days. They have good death overs bowlers and got wicket taking spinners in the middle. Their bowlers will make sure they are chasing less than 270 which is chaseable by their batting. CT final was an exception.
    Two exceptions in the CT final. Indian bowling and Pakistan batting. It was a perfect storm. India needs a good 3rd pacer though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Bumrah has only taken more than 2 wickets once against non minnows.
    So who do you think is taking wickets for India? BK cannot, Bumrah less than 2 wickets. So it has to be Chahal, Kuldeep and Pandya taking 8 wickets between them.

    Are you saying our spinners are taking 5’fers for fun?

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    The previous CT exposed a lot about Bumrah, as did his previous few step ups. He isn't the next Waqar Younis as Indians kept saying, he isnt even the next Gul.

    Kumar, as much as I like him, isn't an incisive ODI bowler BUT he can be good in England and I expect him to do well.

    Shami has decent pace but he is open to being hit around the park but is India's best bet...if he doesnt kill his wife.

    Beyond that, who is there? Jadeja is too expensive in terms of spin, Ashwin isn't good enough, the other 2 are still learning.

    Having said that, English pitches are very flat and boundaries seem to grow smaller each ball, so India's batting will be the key. Heck, we would have had an Eng/Ind final in the CT (the 2 best batting units) if Pakistan has not entered one of their famous moods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Bumrah has only taken more than 2 wickets once against non minnows.
    yeah what's his economy? esp in the last 15 overs? He is the best death overs bowlers these days. It's really really hard to score against him. Give respect where it's due.


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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    So who do you think is taking wickets for India? BK cannot, Bumrah less than 2 wickets. So it has to be Chahal, Kuldeep and Pandya taking 8 wickets between them.

    Are you saying our spinners are taking 5’fers for fun?
    You can check the stats for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    BK's average is bad because he does not get wickets in ODI's. But make no mistake, he always keeps it tight. He is a gun bowler when it comes to bowling at the death along with Bumrah.

    For taking wickets, we have Bumrah and spinners. All BK has to do is go at 5 RPO and his job is done. BK is also a decent batsman. Can hope for a few runs down the order.
    Think I posted a few stats in the Hasan v Bumrah thread which shows Bumrah is not really a wicket-taker.

    India thrives because of their spinners and batsmen. If Indian spinners get taken downtown like they did in the CT, no one they play will be able to make a difference to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    The previous CT exposed a lot about Bumrah, as did his previous few step ups. He isn't the next Waqar Younis as Indians kept saying, he isnt even the next Gul.

    Kumar, as much as I like him, isn't an incisive ODI bowler BUT he can be good in England and I expect him to do well.

    Shami has decent pace but he is open to being hit around the park but is India's best bet...if he doesnt kill his wife.

    Beyond that, who is there? Jadeja is too expensive in terms of spin, Ashwin isn't good enough, the other 2 are still learning.

    Having said that, English pitches are very flat and boundaries seem to grow smaller each ball, so India's batting will be the key. Heck, we would have had an Eng/Ind final in the CT (the 2 best batting units) if Pakistan has not entered one of their famous moods.
    No Indian claimed Bumrah is next Waqar! Indians do know about the limitations of the Indian fast bowlers and they don't make such false claims like "Akmal vs Kohli"! India has better spinners than Ashwin and Jadeja now and we do have backups in the form of Washington Sundar, Shankar and this year IPL is going to find us atleast one Pace bowler as backup for Bumrah/Bhuvi!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Think I posted a few stats in the Hasan v Bumrah thread which shows Bumrah is not really a wicket-taker.

    India thrives because of their spinners and batsmen. If Indian spinners get taken downtown like they did in the CT, no one they play will be able to make a difference to be honest.
    Hasan's an exception. I think he is one of the most skilled bowlers we've seen in recent times. I'd love to see Amir vs BK considering they both bowl during the PP overs

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    Did a quick filter for AMir vs BK. It's comparable. Both have a very good econ. considering they bowl in the PP overs. Both have an average wicket tally. Could be the pitches or the mind set of the bowlers to contain rather than to go for wickets

    In 2017 and 2018,

    Amir has taken 20 wickets in 16 innings with an ave of 35.75 at 5.23 rpo. 0 5wk hauls and 0 MOM
    BK has taken 30 wickets in 28 innings with an ave of 38.33 at 5.2 rpo. 1 5wk haul and 1 MOM

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    It's interesting and probably apt to compare Bumrah vs Hasan.

    Bumrah has taken 47 wickets in 29 innings with an ave of 25.34 at 4.93 rpo. 1 4 wk, 1 5wk hauls and 2 MOM

    Hasan has taken 51 wickets in 22 innings with an ave of 19.29 at 5.28 rpo. 0 4 wk, 3 5wk hauls and 2 MOM

    Beastly figures for both of them and Hasan's ave is awe inspiring with Bumrah edging slightly on the Eco.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    No Indian claimed Bumrah is next Waqar! Indians do know about the limitations of the Indian fast bowlers and they don't make such false claims like "Akmal vs Kohli"! India has better spinners than Ashwin and Jadeja now and we do have backups in the form of Washington Sundar, Shankar and this year IPL is going to find us atleast one Pace bowler as backup for Bumrah/Bhuvi!
    Well summarised about Ind bowling prospects, as long as Ind is winning and building team for WC'19, it's fine.

    Doesn't matteri what few neutral fans think about Ind bowlers, with available talent Ind is doing well overall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Think I posted a few stats in the Hasan v Bumrah thread which shows Bumrah is not really a wicket-taker.

    India thrives because of their spinners and batsmen. If Indian spinners get taken downtown like they did in the CT, no one they play will be able to make a difference to be honest.
    Same with every country.
    If you take down Zaman early, I doubt the rest of the Pak batting can score 150 between them.

    If Amir and Hasan are hit around the park, I doubt your spinners will pose any threat.

    This logic can be applied to every country.

    What India lacked so far is a mystery spinner who can bowl the wrongun or googly to keep batsmen guessing.

    Our bowling is good enough to restrict opposition to less than 250 on most days. Our batting usually chases it without much fuss. The problem is when our bowlers give waist 300-350 scores. Our batsmen have to step up on those days. If they fail, then full credit to opposition for outplaying our team. Pak did that in CT. Till then , our batsmen were going great and our pace bowlers and spinners were doing pretty good job.

    I have said this before. Bowling is not a concern for India. It’s the middle order that will cost us games. Really terrible one we have.

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    We have missed a trick by grooming the middle order in time for WC19.. Bowling is fine starting line up would be BK, Bumrah, Kuldeep, Chahal and Pandya which is perfectly fine.. Umesh might replace one spinner depending on conditions but this bowling line is good enough to restrict teams under 320 on flat pitches.. Our openers and Kohli would most likely give good starts and we would squander an opportunity to put on 350 on the board and fall short by 40 odd runs always due to true declining middle order..

    This will cost us the World Cup.. Not the bowling unless out of the names I mentioned above some get injured..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    It's interesting and probably apt to compare Bumrah vs Hasan.

    Bumrah has taken 47 wickets in 29 innings with an ave of 25.34 at 4.93 rpo. 1 4 wk, 1 5wk hauls and 2 MOM

    Hasan has taken 51 wickets in 22 innings with an ave of 19.29 at 5.28 rpo. 0 4 wk, 3 5wk hauls and 2 MOM

    Beastly figures for both of them and Hasan's ave is awe inspiring with Bumrah edging slightly on the Eco.
    Not sure where your stats are coming from, they appear a bit dated. Bumrah has taken 64 wkts at an avg of 22.50, whereas Ali has taken 62 wkts at an avg of 21.40. Avg rises to 29.08 and 25.33 if you consider only Aus/NZ/SA/Eng/Pak/Ind as opponents.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ng;view=series

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    The previous CT exposed a lot about Bumrah, as did his previous few step ups. He isn't the next Waqar Younis as Indians kept saying, he isnt even the next Gul.

    Kumar, as much as I like him, isn't an incisive ODI bowler BUT he can be good in England and I expect him to do well.

    Shami has decent pace but he is open to being hit around the park but is India's best bet...if he doesnt kill his wife.

    Beyond that, who is there? Jadeja is too expensive in terms of spin, Ashwin isn't good enough, the other 2 are still learning.

    Having said that, English pitches are very flat and boundaries seem to grow smaller each ball, so India's batting will be the key. Heck, we would have had an Eng/Ind final in the CT (the 2 best batting units) if Pakistan has not entered one of their famous moods.
    I sure hope that Bumrah indeed isn’t next Waqar. Last thing we want is a certified choker in World events in our team.

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    No team is going to win the next world cup solely on their pace bowlers.. the pitches will be too flat for one dimensional attack. India has a well rounded attack, two excellent pacers, one pace bowling all rounders, two wrist spinner and one offie. They also have two backup pacers, two good left arm spinners and a pace bowling allrounder. If India fails next year, it will be due to their batting, not due to bowling

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    But India has the ATG wicket keeper. He will stump every batsmen out and will win it for India. While batting , he can do splits which mesmerises the opposition and they will wilt under the pressure.No need for any concern about wickets or runs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    But India has the ATG wicket keeper. He will stump every batsmen out and will win it for India. While batting , he can do splits which mesmerises the opposition and they will wilt under the pressure.No need for any concern about wickets or runs.
    Hasn't he done it ton of times in the past and played a crucial innings in WC 2011 final? And you trying to bring in Dhoni in every random irrelevant thread is truly surprising! Here the discussion is about Pace bowlers and why would Dhoni come into picture here? Would appreciate if you can apply your brains and stick to the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Hasn't he done it ton of times in the past and played a crucial innings in WC 2011 final? And you trying to bring in Dhoni in every random irrelevant thread is truly surprising! Here the discussion is about Pace bowlers and why would Dhoni come into picture here? Would appreciate if you can apply your brains and stick to the topic.
    Might as well call back Mohinder Amarnath. MOM in 1983 final.

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    Kamlesh Nagarkoti: hold my beer..

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    Might as well call back Mohinder Amarnath. MOM in 1983 final.
    MoM of the semi-final too... and wonderful personality. I don't care if we lose the WC, I want to see him play again

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    I sure hope that Bumrah indeed isn’t next Waqar. Last thing we want is a certified choker in World events in our team.
    Yeah true, you already have Kohli.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Not sure where your stats are coming from, they appear a bit dated. Bumrah has taken 64 wkts at an avg of 22.50, whereas Ali has taken 62 wkts at an avg of 21.40. Avg rises to 29.08 and 25.33 if you consider only Aus/NZ/SA/Eng/Pak/Ind as opponents.

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...ng;view=series

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling
    Great stats in this batsman dominating era!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oligochaetes View Post
    Great stats in this batsman dominating era!
    As Bumrah bowls in the starting PP and in the death overs, to have an average of just 5 rpo is superb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    Yeah true, you already have Kohli.
    And you have whole pakistan team who choked every time when they faced India in World Cup

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricCrazyNick View Post
    And you have whole pakistan team who choked every time when they faced India in World Cup
    True. But I would much rather take a WC win than an Indo-Pak clash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    The previous CT exposed a lot about Bumrah, as did his previous few step ups. He isn't the next Waqar Younis as Indians kept saying, he isnt even the next Gul.

    Kumar, as much as I like him, isn't an incisive ODI bowler BUT he can be good in England and I expect him to do well.

    Shami has decent pace but he is open to being hit around the park but is India's best bet...if he doesnt kill his wife.

    Beyond that, who is there? Jadeja is too expensive in terms of spin, Ashwin isn't good enough, the other 2 are still learning.

    Having said that, English pitches are very flat and boundaries seem to grow smaller each ball, so India's batting will be the key. Heck, we would have had an Eng/Ind final in the CT (the 2 best batting units) if Pakistan has not entered one of their famous moods.
    So we are now going to judge a batsman with just one match?

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    Indian bowlers will struggle against teams who play spin better. More than their bowling, India should worry about its middle and lower order batsman. They lack big hitters in lower order.

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    What an uninformed post. Judging Indian back up pacers based on this T20 line up. This attack is not even our 3rd string attack. There are bowlers way better and quicker waiting in the line. Do watch domestic matches and then post such stuff. The kind of pace bowling back up India has, no other country will have that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarmfast View Post
    The kind of pace bowling back up India has, no other country will have that.
    That’s a pretty big claim. Please name these best of the world back up bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    That’s a pretty big claim. Please name these best of the world back up bowlers.
    Its been quoted many a times over mate. You can check the old posts or just watch domestic cricket sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rightarmfast View Post
    Its been quoted many a times over mate. You can check the old posts or just watch domestic cricket sometime.
    Rather than putting effort into the unnecessary “watch domestic cricket” jibe you could have mentioned the names of Indian pace bowling gems that no other country can have.

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    IIRC till a few days back @Rightarmfast was suggesting Mohammed Siraj is a 90+ miles per hour speedster.

    And now India has a pace bowling bench no other country can have.
    Last edited by BreadPakoda; 15th March 2018 at 16:11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    Rather than putting effort into the unnecessary “watch domestic cricket” jibe you could have mentioned the names of Indian pace bowling gems that no other country can have.
    There is none. Willow TV covers Indian domestic and i've been watching some highlights. The back up pacers are absolute rubbish. However, the first team is more than decent and India will rely heavily on the spin twins during the middle overs. For PP overs they have one of the best in the world in BK and Bumrah. It's not me who's saying they are the best. Smith said that recently and they've been doing well. Others are rubbish

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    IIRC till a few days back @Rightarmfast was suggesting Mohammed Siraj is a 90+ miles per hour speedster.

    And now India has a pace bowling bench no other country can have.
    He has pace and a good repeatable smooth action but has no brains. He's the Sami of India. He's still young and it remains to be seen if he improves

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    IIRC till a few days back @Rightarmfast was suggesting Mohammed Siraj is a 90+ miles per hour speedster.

    And now India has a pace bowling bench no other country can have.
    A little grammar helps. Theres a difference between ' will ' and 'can'!

    About back up bowlers, how about just checking 2 or 3 names which I quote here - Khalil Ahmed, Avesh, Thampi, Saini.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    True. But I would much rather take a WC win than an Indo-Pak clash.
    How many World cups you have won after loosing to India

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    India ain't winning anything with any bowling attack.Trundlers being trundlers nothing surprising here.India will always remain average in fast bowling department

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