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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Giving him an all important position at 4 was a joke. Hopefully team management have realized it now.
    Not his fault though, management keeps shuffling his batting order despite him being a pure late order slogger, not an accumulator. He was forced to play an anchor role today which is not his job, the top order choked, Karthik was mediocre and Dhoni was being Dhoni.

    However I don't want him kicked out just yet because of his failure in middle order. He's still young and already has a defined role. All teams need a couple of late order sloggers like Pant at no.6. India's main aim should be to see if they can improve Pant's WK, that's more important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    Not his fault though, management keeps shuffling his batting order despite him being a pure late order slogger, not an accumulator. He was forced to play an anchor role today which is not his job, the top order choked, Karthik was mediocre and Dhoni was being Dhoni.

    However I don't want him kicked out just yet because of his failure in middle order. He's still young and already has a defined role. All teams need a couple of late order sloggers like Pant at no.6. India's main aim should be to see if they can improve Pant's WK, that's more important.
    Well Pant will get more chances because there is no one else to challenge his position in the team at the moment. Karthik should be kicked out and Dhoni should retire now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaptan View Post
    Well, super slow knock was all needed today.
    Just imagine if Kohli, Rahul, Pant, Kartik played super slow knocks today and preserved wickets.
    Scoring 30s of 50s. Just play like kiwis.
    We would have easily won the match.
    Super slow knock wasn’t needed when dhoni came to bat Required rate was around 6

    Awful knock

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    There’s no denying that Kohli and Rohit Sharma are class acts, Shikar Dhawan is also a fine batsman , Dhoni is a legend but past it now — as for others in Indian line up, nothing exceptional in my view - give me Imam, Fakhar, Babar or Haris any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Well Pant will get more chances because there is no one else to challenge his position in the team at the moment. Karthik should be kicked out and Dhoni should retire now.
    Exactly, he's a young wicket keeper and potentially a long term prospect, and also useful late order slogger who can be trained to be like Maxwell or Buttler. India's main issue has been middle order and Kohli in ICC tournaments KOs.

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    Thread title says it all...Well done OP!.

    I feel deep down Rahul would be happy that he faced more balls than Kohli and Sharma.

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    Watching him this tournament, he looks like someone who is like a rabbit in the headlights when the ball is doing a bit. When it's flat and not doing anything, he looks great.



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    All eyes on Rahul tonight.

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    Pathetic player. Kick him out of the team. Can't even score against Bangladesh C side and he was supposed to be our next Kohli.

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    He is turning out to be another Uthappa for India. It's sad to see a gifted player like him, who had hundreds across various countries and looked like an all-round batsmen across all formats has turned out to be such a huge disappointment.

    Very few batsmen show the kind of intent with bat that he showed in his first 20 tests. His performance at home in Australia series or his 199 vs England or the hundreds in Australia and Sri Lanka as well as the fifty he got in WI in bowling friendly conditions felt that we have got a great talent in our side but unfortunately he failed to make it count and after enough of chances, he is turning out to be a disappointment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    All eyes on Rahul tonight.
    sorry, bro. iss sai na ho paye gah.

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    Worthless player.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasn't arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Biggest bagging tshirt if this generation dishing his talent

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    The most gifted complete batsman since Tendulkar.

    But he is a soft hearted emotional Indian who needs a father like caring figure around to bring the best out of him.

    Ishant was lucky to get Kohli's love but Rahul has not been lucky in that sense. Kohli has never been warm enough for Rahul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    The most gifted complete batsman since Tendulkar.

    But he is a soft hearted emotional Indian who needs a father like caring figure around to bring the best out of him.

    Ishant was lucky to get Kohli's love but Rahul has not been lucky in that sense. Kohli has never been warm enough for Rahul.
    What you are talking about?
    He gave him so many chances last year and this year as well (except home series) in tests.
    He failed to deliver it.
    Ishant is consistent since from 2014 when Dhoni was test captain in his last days.
    Last edited by andy0204; 7th December 2019 at 19:07.

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    He's been averaging 20 in tests from 2018-19

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingT View Post
    He's been averaging 20 in tests from 2018-19
    His Test career is not completely over. He lost his place to his own state partner Mayank Agarwal.

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    trash fodder player. club level puke worthy player. play Baccha leaguesnlike t20. That's all you are good for.

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    Then most gifted and complete batsman since Tendulkar is showing his class once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Then most gifted and complete batsman since Tendulkar is showing his class once again.

    Don’t know whether to laugh or cry.


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    I'm sick to death of this guy. Couldn't care less about meaningless T20 tamasha matches.


    If there is a better batsman than Sachin then he hasn't arrived yet: Viv Richards

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    His Test career is not completely over. He lost his place to his own state partner Mayank Agarwal.
    It should be with Shubman Gill and Prithvi Shaw waiting in the wings.

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    KL Rahul is definitely the best opener to partner Rohit. Not Dhawan who kills the momentum in t20

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    @freelance_cricketer Do you think KL Rahul has these qualities:
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    Dalair

    Because i feel that his mental fortitude is simply not there and these t20 performances will prove to be nothing in long term.

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    Now scoring against WI counts??
    When a pakistani does it they're referred to as "minnow bashers"

    Lol at the hypocrisy

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingT View Post
    Now scoring against WI counts??
    When a pakistani does it they're referred to as "minnow bashers"

    Lol at the hypocrisy

    Last time we saw, WI was not clearly the minnow vs Pakistan.

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    Till early this year we were told the T20s are meaningless and now couple of performances from KL Rahul in the format against not so lethal bowling attack is being considered enough to hype him again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    @freelance_cricketer Do you think KL Rahul has these qualities:
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    Dalair

    Because i feel that his mental fortitude is simply not there and these t20 performances will prove to be nothing in long term.
    He is what Neo was in Matrix before he realised his true powers.

    Everyone who understands cricket and has seen him knows his worth his weight in gold for Indian cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Till early this year we were told the T20s are meaningless and now couple of performances from KL Rahul in the format against not so lethal bowling attack is being considered enough to hype him again?
    T20s are still meaningless and tbh only Pakistan and Afghanistan takes them seriously. T20I WC still holds some importance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Till early this year we were told the T20s are meaningless and now couple of performances from KL Rahul in the format against not so lethal bowling attack is being considered enough to hype him again?
    Who do you rate more in T20Is out of these two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Till early this year we were told the T20s are meaningless and now couple of performances from KL Rahul in the format against not so lethal bowling attack is being considered enough to hype him again?
    Not sure many hype him in other formats. With world T20 coming up, he is definitely the best choice to open the innings in T20.

    52,62,11,91 in the last 4 innings.. He is averaing 43.76 at a strike of 146.46. Made a 100 in 54 in ENgland only last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    T20s are still meaningless and tbh only Pakistan and Afghanistan takes them seriously. T20I WC still holds some importance.
    yup. For world T20 it is all about the getting the right combination. Win or loss in bilateral. On that score India should resist temptation to go back to Dhawan

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    Brian Lara : KL Rahul is the most stylish player i have ever seen in a long long time

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Brian Lara : KL Rahul is the most stylish player i have ever seen in a long long time
    It looks like Brian Lara is aging quite rapidly now
    His vision is betraying him

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingT View Post
    It looks like Brian Lara is aging quite rapidly now
    His vision is betraying him
    Nope he doesn't have the "tinted bias" glass like you. Nobody has complaints about his stylish game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Nope he doesn't have the "tinted bias" glass like you. Nobody has complaints about his stylish game.
    Did I say he's not stylish?

    But calling him the most stylish is a bit OTT

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingT View Post
    Did I say he's not stylish?

    But calling him the most stylish is a bit OTT
    Since it is a subjective call, you cannot say he is wrong unless you have array of batsmen who can play with same poise and grace. Rohit is one comparison. Kohli is another. Guys like Warner, Finch, Maxie, Smith are not exactly "stylish".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Since it is a subjective call, you cannot say he is wrong unless you have array of batsmen who can play with same poise and grace. Rohit is one comparison. Kohli is another. Guys like Warner, Finch, Maxie, Smith are not exactly "stylish".
    Where did I say he was wrong or he can't have an opinion?
    Stop putting words in my mouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    He is what Neo was in Matrix before he realised his true powers.

    Everyone who understands cricket and has seen him knows his worth his weight in gold for Indian cricket.
    virat kohli being morpheus here?

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    Rahul is an excellent T20 player but if he has to built a legacy for himself, he has to re-establish himself in test cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Rahul is an excellent T20 player but if he has to built a legacy for himself, he has to re-establish himself in test cricket.
    He has to know where his off stump is to do well in Tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topspin View Post
    Who do you rate more in T20Is out of these two?
    Which two? Babar and Rahul in T20s?

    Rahul has more explosive game which is exaggerated by the freedom he has while having Rohit and Kohli in the team and as partners.

    While Babar doesnt get as much liberty due to him being the most important wicket for the Pak team and he has to keep the risky shots down at the start.

    On consistency and solidity at the top Babar is ahead however Rahul isnt too far in T20s and there is a reason he has 2 100s. Though its just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Which two? Babar and Rahul in T20s?

    Rahul has more explosive game which is exaggerated by the freedom he has while having Rohit and Kohli in the team and as partners.

    While Babar doesnt get as much liberty due to him being the most important wicket for the Pak team and he has to keep the risky shots down at the start.

    On consistency and solidity at the top Babar is ahead however Rahul isnt too far in T20s and there is a reason he has 2 100s. Though its just my opinion.
    I don't think it is just freedom. It is the ability. A guy who reached his 50 in 2.3 overs against Shami and Boult in the IPL cannot do it without some kind of ability. He has weaknesses as well. Consistency or not he is a true 360 degree batsman. A reason why he is invaluable in T20. You cannot tie him down when in zone.
    Last edited by jnaveen1980; 12th December 2019 at 03:58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    I don't think it is just freedom. It is the ability. A guy who reached his 50 in 2.3 overs against Shami and Boult in the IPL cannot do it without some kind of ability. He has weaknesses as well. Consistency or not he is a true 360 degree batsman. A reason why he is invaluable in T20. You cannot tie him down when in zone.
    League cricket is without much pressure so I wont count those heroics. Do you think Kohli has power game? Many people didnt think he had because he had to play it safe because of the importance of him staying at the crease and taking the innings forward because he is the best batsmen in Indian lineup though atleast he has support of Rohit or Dhawan.

    Babar does have the ability to up the anti but his wicket is too valuable for Pak for him to be showing his shots all around the ground as Pak cant afford him faltering but India can afford Rahul to falter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    League cricket is without much pressure so I wont count those heroics. Do you think Kohli has power game? Many people didnt think he had because he had to play it safe because of the importance of him staying at the crease and taking the innings forward because he is the best batsmen in Indian lineup though atleast he has support of Rohit or Dhawan.

    Babar does have the ability to up the anti but his wicket is too valuable for Pak for him to be showing his shots all around the ground as Pak cant afford him faltering but India can afford Rahul to falter.
    Sorry man. Babar cannot strike like KOhli. Babar totally relies on timing. If he goes for power he will lose shape and get out. Bit like expecting Rahul Dravid to play power game. His trigger movement, backlift, follow through nothing indicates he is ever going to be a power player even if he tries. If anything he will regress if he attempts that. Sehwag could do because he had incredible bat speed and reflex. There is nothing wrong with his game as it is. But if you think he will one day become someone hitting 90 meter sixes at will you will be disappointed. Razzaq was not exactly a muscle man either. Same way Afridi was not a muscle man either. But their bat speeds were very good.

    Let us toss aside the national jingoism. Let us say Fakhar Zaman is connecting every ball. Babar is connecting every ball. Who do you think will be more dangerous?

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    Not easy being in and out of team: KL Rahul

    MUMBAI: He may no longer be an option in Tests but KL Rahul seems to have presented a 'happy headache' to the national selectors and the Indian team management with his fantastic consistency in T20 Internationals.
    It's not easy when you're picked in the XI as a 'replacement' player, but the Karnataka batsman has embedded himself as an important cog in India's T20 batting wheel.
    On Wednesday night at the Wankhede, the 27-year-old smashed 91 off 56 balls, adding 135 for the first wicket with Rohit Sharma to play a key role in India's 67-run win in the third and decisive T20 International against the West Indies. It capped off a run which has seen him slam three half-centuries in the past four T20 Internationals, with two of them coming in crunch games.

    Included in the XI only because Shikhar Dhawan was out due to an injury, the 27-year-old has grabbed his opportunity with both hands. His fine performances have left triggered a debate whether Dhawan, who's been less prolific in T20Is, deserves an automatic spot in T20Is ahead of him.
    Surely, it must be a tough scenario for Rahul, being in and out of the XI, and yet expected to perform whenever he plays. "I won't say I won't feel it (pressure) at all. Obviously, going in and out of the team is never easy on any player. You take a little bit of time to get used to the international pressure and oppositions and there are no opposition where you can just walk in and score runs, so it's always difficult. This game is all about confidence, being in good rhythm and in good touch. Having said that, I can't really sit outside and not prepare. All I can do is sit outside and prepare and try to create match feel for myself," he said.

    It is the age-old formula of scoring runs for your state steam that works for Rahul too. He came into this series on the back of a good run in the Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy, where he scored 313 runs in eight games@52.16, with three half-centuries. Instability about your position in the team can take its toll on the mind but Rahul prefers to keep things "simple".
    "My thoughts are very simple. I prepare as hard as I can, put in the hours in the nets. When I get first-class cricket, I try to improve my skill, get some time in the middle. Again, when I get opportunity like this here, I try to do the same thing, and its actually as easy as that. I know people feel it is easier said than done, it is as easy you make it. Life is what you put in your head," he philosophized.

    A slight technical correction in his game, specifically his backlift, which he felt wasn't proper earlier, has helped him find runs on a continuous basis.
    "I don't think I have worked too much, it's not been a conscious effort but I have seen my batting. Every batsman goes through change in his batting, and I felt that my backlift was coming from not exactly where I wanted to come from. Again in the time off (from) playing cricket, I worked on it, it is coming out well and when you score runs everything seems good right? I did not change my backlift, but I just realized where it was coming from and where I need to bring it on, and I added that," he revealed.
    Will knocks like the one he churned out on Wednesday night help him feel more secure about his place in the side? Rahul isn't too sure. "Again, you can only hope. For me, what's in my control is to keep putting up these performances whenever I get the opportunity. I am not at that stage where I worry about whether I'll find myself playing the next tournament or anything (like that). Whenever I get the opportunity, I want to win games for my team and enjoy my batting," he said.
    original article:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Till early this year we were told the T20s are meaningless and now couple of performances from KL Rahul in the format against not so lethal bowling attack is being considered enough to hype him again?
    With WT20 approaching and top teams fielding their full strength squads of course T20s will be talk of the town again. I don't see anyone hyping Rahul's ODI or test performances, as there is hardly anything to hype about of late. But he seems to be finding his mojo in the shortest format of the game, still far from being at his best but it's a very welcome development for Indian fans nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Which two? Babar and Rahul in T20s?

    Rahul has more explosive game which is exaggerated by the freedom he has while having Rohit and Kohli in the team and as partners.

    While Babar doesnt get as much liberty due to him being the most important wicket for the Pak team and he has to keep the risky shots down at the start.

    On consistency and solidity at the top Babar is ahead however Rahul isnt too far in T20s and there is a reason he has 2 100s. Though its just my opinion.
    Babar couldn't have made a 45 ball hundred even if he had Rohit, Warner, Kohli, Butler playing in his team.

    T20 is a very, how do I put it, uncouth version of the game, where raw ability is more valuable than consistency or maturity. Rahul is clearly ahead ability wise and pretty damn consistent too in this format, considering he is going through a potentially career threatening bad patch and is horribly low in confidence, all the more reasons to be impressed with his recent knocks, they may not be too explosive by his standards but hopefully is a sign of him gaining back his confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Sorry man. Babar cannot strike like KOhli. Babar totally relies on timing. If he goes for power he will lose shape and get out. Bit like expecting Rahul Dravid to play power game. His trigger movement, backlift, follow through nothing indicates he is ever going to be a power player even if he tries. If anything he will regress if he attempts that. Sehwag could do because he had incredible bat speed and reflex. There is nothing wrong with his game as it is. But if you think he will one day become someone hitting 90 meter sixes at will you will be disappointed. Razzaq was not exactly a muscle man either. Same way Afridi was not a muscle man either. But their bat speeds were very good.

    Let us toss aside the national jingoism. Let us say Fakhar Zaman is connecting every ball. Babar is connecting every ball. Who do you think will be more dangerous?
    Kohli isnt known as a power player even now and he wasnt even when he came in. The difference is now he has the power game which he has developed overtime and is also mainly dependent upon timing however, he still uses it only when situation demands or its necessary. He is an ATG so he is completely different leagues in terms of what he can do, my point was that Babar's wicket is more valuable than a risky brutal six which trust me he can hit but needs some polishing and he will get better at it however, the only manifestation of that would be when the RR is high or its the end of the innings.

    Babar's backlift and bat flow are completely different from Dravid and Babar gets into much better position to hit the ball in the air than Dravid. Its not a valid comparison.

    Ofcourse Fakhar will be more dangerous mainly because of different role and freedom he has. Even in future I doubt Babar will be playing such risky shots very often and will anchor the innings like Kohli, Smith, Williamson etc while others will take the attack to the opposition however, if a situation demands Babar can accelerate however, needs couple of years to be more confident at the end of the innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    Babar couldn't have made a 45 ball hundred even if he had Rohit, Warner, Kohli, Butler playing in his team.

    T20 is a very, how do I put it, uncouth version of the game, where raw ability is more valuable than consistency or maturity. Rahul is clearly ahead ability wise and pretty damn consistent too in this format, considering he is going through a potentially career threatening bad patch and is horribly low in confidence, all the more reasons to be impressed with his recent knocks, they may not be too explosive by his standards but hopefully is a sign of him gaining back his confidence.
    If Babar had Kohli, Rohit and Warner then what he could do will be going towards assumptions so lets not go towards that path.

    Babar while havent scored a 100 in T20s let alone of 45 balls but he has scored a 90 of 55 balls and 50* of 29 balls, so if he ever does 45 or 50 ball 100 in T20s it wont be a surprise and it isnt too far fetched. He is still developing as a player. Rahul on the other hand is entering his peak, he is 27 and will be 28 in 4 months time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    League cricket is without much pressure so I wont count those heroics. Do you think Kohli has power game? Many people didnt think he had
    What are you talking about? Kohli scored a 50 ball hundred, chased down 340 in less than 40 overs when he was younger than Babar. Kohli always had the power game, those who thought otherwise perhaps didn't watch much cricket. Kohli used to find it difficult to hit from ball one but he sorted that out in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    With WT20 approaching and top teams fielding their full strength squads of course T20s will be talk of the town again. I don't see anyone hyping Rahul's ODI or test performances, as there is hardly anything to hype about of late. But he seems to be finding his mojo in the shortest format of the game, still far from being at his best but it's a very welcome development for Indian fans nonetheless.
    There is a common myth on PP that while Pak used to play its full strength team while other were playing 2nd tier. This myth can be easily busted, I can show exactly how much players Pak tried in the same period while others were trying new faces, those numbers will show that there isnt any difference rather Pak might have tried more players than some teams and will comprehensively burst the myth. However, that myth has been bread and butter of many so I did let it ago during its peak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    What are you talking about? Kohli scored a 50 ball hundred, chased down 340 in less than 40 overs when he was younger than Babar. Kohli always had the power game, those who thought otherwise perhaps didn't watch much cricket. Kohli used to find it difficult to hit from ball one but he sorted that out in 2016.
    Kohli was always a sweet timer but he developed his power game only recently. To be specific, ABD helped him in this aspect in IPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    What are you talking about? Kohli scored a 50 ball hundred, chased down 340 in less than 40 overs when he was younger than Babar. Kohli always had the power game, those who thought otherwise perhaps didn't watch much cricket. Kohli used to find it difficult to hit from ball one but he sorted that out in 2016.
    He was good at finishing matches and had some extraordinary stroke play to achieve that. He started to hit effortless sixes in last 2-3 years, he wasnt known as power player. I guess we are on different definition of power player here, I am talking about players who are known to hit big sixes whenever its required (Buttler, Roy etc) and Kohli has developed it in last few years and was never known for that in early to mid career of his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    If Babar had Kohli, Rohit and Warner then what he could do will be going towards assumptions so lets not go towards that path.
    Sirji you said Rahul can afford to play freely as he has Kohli and Rohit playing by his side which also implies that if Rohit and Kohl weren't there Rahul wouldn't be as explosive as he is today. So you took that road to assumptions, I was being a fellow traveler.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Babar while havent scored a 100 in T20s let alone of 45 balls but he has scored a 90 of 55 balls and 50* of 29 balls, so if he ever does 45 or 50 ball 100 in T20s it wont be a surprise and it isnt too far fetched. He is still developing as a player. Rahul on the other hand is entering his peak, he is 27 and will be 28 in 4 months time.
    Let's agree to disagree, even Rahane had a 50 ball century in IPL but that was just an one time thingy. In terms of approach towards game, style and technique I find Babar closer to Rahane than anyone else, perhaps Babar has a higher ceiling than him, can't say for sure, let's wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    Sirji you said Rahul can afford to play freely as he has Kohli and Rohit playing by his side which also implies that if Rohit and Kohl weren't there Rahul wouldn't be as explosive as he is today. So you took that road to assumptions, I was being a fellow traveler.
    Fair enough. Rahul is a stroke maker who doesnt have the responsibility of carrying his whole team which Babar has being the best batsmen of his side so I am just saying comparison cant be valid in that regard. If Babar has more support from others he will surely play with bit more freedom.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    Let's agree to disagree, even Rahane had a 50 ball century in IPL but that was just an one time thingy. In terms of approach towards game, style and technique I find Babar closer to Rahane than anyone else, perhaps Babar has a higher ceiling than him, can't say for sure, let's wait and see.
    Not at all. You and others here have seen batsmen and know cricket, its pretty surprising to me how Rahane is being compared to Babar. There is a reason Rahane has a SR of 77 in ODIs and 113 in T20s with a much inferior average to Babar who has a SR of 87 in ODIs and 127 in T20s with average of over 50.

    League cricket is completely different, Rahane is more like Asad Shafiq category of player. There is absolutely no comparison with Babar on any stat or merit in LOIs no matter how much anybody tries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    He was good at finishing matches and had some extraordinary stroke play to achieve that. He started to hit effortless sixes in last 2-3 years, he wasnt known as power player. I guess we are on different definition of power player here, I am talking about players who are known to hit big sixes whenever its required (Buttler, Roy etc) and Kohli has developed it in last few years and was never known for that in early to mid career of his.
    Seriously bro!! So Kohli couldn't hit sixes whenever required until a couple years back? I guess all his high octane run chases till 2017 are all illusions then, right? Didn't expect this from you man, Kohli knows when to hit sixes and how better than most in the history of the game and definitely better than Roy and Butler lol. I haven't seen anyone upping the ante as smoothly as Kohli. Power game you say? You should have seen his treatment to Tait and Malinga. He wasn't particularly known for power game because he was much more than that and known for even better and bigger things, calling him a power player would be belittling him and would club him together with muscle bound brutes like Russell and Pollard. He is the complete package, power game is just a small part of it.

    BTW Rohit and AB can hit sixes with absolute minimum efforts, are they power players?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Not at all. You and others here have seen batsmen and know cricket, its pretty surprising to me how Rahane is being compared to Babar. There is a reason Rahane has a SR of 77 in ODIs and 113 in T20s with a much inferior average to Babar who has a SR of 87 in ODIs and 127 in T20s with average of over 50.

    League cricket is completely different, Rahane is more like Asad Shafiq category of player. There is absolutely no comparison with Babar on any stat or merit in LOIs no matter how much anybody tries.
    You misunderstood me, I wasn't comparing, I just found similarities in their respective games is all. Babar is a better limited over player obviously. No comparison on that front. Test is a completely different story though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    If Babar had Kohli, Rohit and Warner then what he could do will be going towards assumptions so lets not go towards that path.

    Babar while havent scored a 100 in T20s let alone of 45 balls but he has scored a 90 of 55 balls and 50* of 29 balls, so if he ever does 45 or 50 ball 100 in T20s it wont be a surprise and it isnt too far fetched. He is still developing as a player. Rahul on the other hand is entering his peak, he is 27 and will be 28 in 4 months time.

    I am not really a ****** of KL Rahul. But the reason KL Rahul will be able to consistently produce such knocks is because he is a 360 degree player cut, pull, hook, lofted drives from midwicket to extra cover. Range of shots is higher for him. If he decides to play slowly and catch up with a strike rate of 130 he could very well do like he did in the last IPL season. Sometimes these strike rates can be misleading. Dhoni is a master of fooling us with strike rate. He would go so slow upto a point and suddenly hit a 15 or 20 run over and make the strike rate look better. Amla's strike rate in T20 is 133 Ross Taylor's strike rate is 122. We know who can be absolutely lethal in the end overs. KL Rahul rarely pauses his game in T20.
    I know he has a great player following him. Still sheer mindset is not enough you need skills to execute.
    I am not comparing with Babar. Just in isolation i am assessing his skills. It is pretty good. I would take him over Virendar Sehwag in T20 as this guy is more reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    Seriously bro!! So Kohli couldn't hit sixes whenever required until a couple years back? I guess all his high octane run chases till 2017 are all illusions then, right?

    From what I gathered, I don't think that's what @Titan24 meant at all. I think it just pointed to this simple stat: Till the end of 2015, Kohli struck 68 sixes in 158 innings, with a 6s per Innings ratio of 0.43. Since the start of 2016, Kohli has scored 51 sixes in 72 innings, with a 6s per Innings ratio of 0.71.

    I think that stat is self-explanatory and is also quite illustrative of the point.

    Kohli has always been a gifted stroke maker but wasn't known to be a big six-hitter in his early days. Now it's important to understand that a big six-hitter are players like Buttler, Gayle, Roy, Rohit, Munro. The guys who not only score sixes off of bad balls but also the good balls (taking on the high risk) by either hitting against the line or some audacious shot (scoop, parry, just lofting the ball in the air). It's also the reason why, these players never averaged as high as players like Babar, Kohli, and Root. Kohli was never that sort of player, as he always timed his innings to perfection with efficient strike rotation, a boundary off of a bad ball, and rarely went for the high-risk option (usually a slog off a good ball), until the situation absolutely demanded it, because he would lose his shape trying to hit a that hard (the effort required to put a good ball in the stands) and also because he put on a price on his wicket as the best player in the team.

    From what I have seen of Kohli, it was during his 2016 IPL season, did he become much more confident in big-hitting and much more liberal in taking the high-risk options in an attempt to match AbD at the other end with equally audacious shots. That was the first time, that his big-hitting or power game had visibly improved. I'm sure there were a variety of reasons, but strength, stable base & head and confidence was at the core of his enhanced ability to cross the rope. The stats also bolster that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    You should have seen his treatment to Tait and Malinga.
    Obviously, there were a few onslaughts in the past as well, but they mostly came about through fours, rather than "big six-hitting". In that 183 against Pakistan in the Asia Cup, he struck a solitary six. In that famous 133 against Sri Lanka in the Tri-Series (that you referenced), he struck only 2. Even in the Malinga over you mentioned, he struck only 1 six off a length ball and manoeuvred the low full toss balls around the ground for boundaries. Not sure which "treatment of Tait" you are referring to, but if it was 2016 one, he hit only him for a four and a six in two separate overs off two poor balls. He didn't loft any good balls into the stands, because there was no need to score off those high-risk options. Does hitting fours constitute as "big-hitting"?

    Babar also struck Steyn all around the ground with a flurry of boundaries. He later repeated that against Morris, Henricks (left-arm pacer) and Shamsi in the same game, but I don't think anyone termed that as "big-hitting" or considered that as a good "power-game", rather it was manoeuvring bad balls around for fours. What Haris did in the SA game in the WC was "big-hitting", not what Babar did in the NZ game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahdi View Post
    This is precisely how the team management broke this guy.

    He has had no proper place to bat in ang format

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion66 View Post
    Seriously bro!! So Kohli couldn't hit sixes whenever required until a couple years back? I guess all his high octane run chases till 2017 are all illusions then, right? Didn't expect this from you man, Kohli knows when to hit sixes and how better than most in the history of the game and definitely better than Roy and Butler lol. I haven't seen anyone upping the ante as smoothly as Kohli. Power game you say? You should have seen his treatment to Tait and Malinga. He wasn't particularly known for power game because he was much more than that and known for even better and bigger things, calling him a power player would be belittling him and would club him together with muscle bound brutes like Russell and Pollard. He is the complete package, power game is just a small part of it.

    BTW Rohit and AB can hit sixes with absolute minimum efforts, are they power players?
    Never saId that he couldnt hit sixes before, he is more confident of his power game now than he was before and well explained by @Omarkhan99 in his post as well. As you are saying its not all about power game, i was also talking about Babar from that view as his wicket for his team is also more important than a trying to hit a big shot. Kohli even now plays the minimum risk game unless the situation requires him to be free and same is the case with Babar though he will require a year or two to be confident about his power game. Not comparing both, just mentioning that both are and will be more important on the crease than getting out playing a risky stroke.

    Babar has also scored a 50 at SR of 170+ in T20s, a 90 at SR of 155 and a test 100 at SR of 70+ so obviously he also he the ability to up the ante unlike what many posters are saying regarding how Rahul can play a binder while chasing 200 while Babar never can which is wrong in my opinion. Kohli has six/match ratio in ODIs of 0.49 while Babar has of 0.41 so Babar’s power game isnt bad either for his limited matches and limited experience in comparison.

    Its like saying after Afridi’s 37 ball 100 in ODIs that I would rather have him as a batsman over Tendulkar when chasing big totals in ODIs. Rahul’s 100 in a T20 against pretty mediocre bowling of WI have made some people make such comments.

    So Kohli doesnt have a T20 100 and his SR is lower than Rahul? So some posters were saying the will have Rahul when chasing 200 in T20s, will they stand their ground here or will try to nullify this with other points?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Just in isolation i am assessing his skills. It is pretty good. I would take him over Virendar Sehwag in T20 as this guy is more reliable.
    Fair enough. If Rahul can continue like this than obviously his numbers are pretty good considering the SR which he maintains.

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    A minnow basher. India can so much better. Why not play Agarwal.

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    Mission 2023

    Rahul is back on track and among the runs.

    I'm form the most watchable batsman by far in world cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Mission 2023

    Rahul is back on track and among the runs.

    I'm form the most watchable batsman by far in world cricket.
    Minnow basher

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    On the most easiest wickets at the easiest position to bat for any cricketer in the world in ODIs.

    There is a reason why India have abundance of players for the top spot.

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    Well deserved century for Rahul

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    well played KL

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    Heat is on Dhawan in the one dayers. He sure has much wider range of shot all around the wicket. But he almost stopped around 90.

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    Its ok the century meant a lot and came after a while.

    Hopefully these days will keep coming

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Heat is on Dhawan in the one dayers.
    In T20Is only. In ODIs, he's pretty consistent. Rahul needs to be in destructive mode to replace him.

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    Done well this series. Would have loved for Shaw or Aggarwal to get the spot but can't fault KL for grabbing this opportunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNAmarkFromIndia View Post
    In T20Is only. In ODIs, he's pretty consistent. Rahul needs to be in destructive mode to replace him.
    Dhawan had a poor 2019 on all formats. He does well only in ICC trophies.

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    Averages 40+ in ODIs now with 52+ as an opener. He is not going anywhere for some time at least.

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    West Indies is literally a minnow in ODIs, Rahul smashing random WI bowlers doesn't elevate his status from being a hack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    West Indies is literally a minnow in ODIs, Rahul smashing random WI bowlers doesn't elevate his status from being a hack.
    Explain why he is a hack? Is he like axe cutting like Afridi to score runs? All his shots are cricketing shots. He doesn't even slog. He has done well against many good bowlers. In ODIs he never had a permanent spot. So his career was a bit up and down. Since he started opening he is averaging 52. In T20 he averages over 40 with a strike rate over 140.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnaveen1980 View Post
    Explain why he is a hack? Is he like axe cutting like Afridi to score runs? All his shots are cricketing shots. He doesn't even slog. He has done well against many good bowlers. In ODIs he never had a permanent spot. So his career was a bit up and down. Since he started opening he is averaging 52. In T20 he averages over 40 with a strike rate over 140.
    He is fine talent and he is getting there.Kohli is giving him all necessary back up.I will not be surprerised if he take over it from Babar in Odi rankings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    He is fine talent and he is getting there.Kohli is giving him all necessary back up.I will not be surprerised if he take over it from Babar in Odi rankings.
    Tall task. I don't think KL can be that consistent.

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    Kohli doing all in his capacity to destabilize KL Rahul's hard earned momentum by keep changing his batting position but glad Rahul is going strong nonetheless.

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