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    'We are against the oppressors': PTM leader Manzoor Pashteen tells thousands at Peshawar rally

    Pashtun Tahafuz Movement's (PTM) grand gathering in Peshawar kicked off on Sunday afternoon with the speakers demanding the release of missing persons as well as provision of basic human rights to the Pakhtun community in Pakistan.

    People numbering in thousands, from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata), participated in the gathering at Pishtakhra Chowk near Ring Road and intermittently chanted the slogan da sang azadi da (what kind of freedom is this) — their movement's rallying cry.

    The families of missing persons arrived at the gathering holding pictures of their loved ones, whose whereabouts remain unknown.

    "We are only against the oppressors," PTM leader Manzoor Pashteen told a charged audience as he took the stage.

    "We are only the 'agents' of our nation," he said, addressing allegations that the movement is being backed by foreign agencies.

    "What has happened so far for the missing persons?" he asked. "The mothers and elders whose beloveds are missing should not be coerced."

    Family members of a missing person hold poster demanding his recovery. — Photo by Author
    "In Karachi, money is taken in return for bodies. Even Genghis Khan did not take money after killing people," Pashteen said.

    "After Rao Anwar (the ex-SSP Malir accused of the extrajudicial murder of Naqeebullah Mehsud), it is now the turn of Ehsanullah Ehsan (former TTP leader)," he said, demanding that the erstwhile TTP spokesperson should be brought to the courts.

    "After Ehsanullah, we will bring [former president] Musharraf to the courts," he added.

    He also spoke about how businesses in Fata have been affected by the ensuing violence. "Fruit from Wana and Swat is being sold in Lahore instead of Peshawar."

    "In Waziristan, the 'good Taliban' are threatening the people," he said.

    Pashteen demanded that the practice of imposing curfews in Fata should come to an end, and that schools, hospitals under occupation should return to their usual course of action.

    "We will go to every village until our demands are met," Pashteen announced, adding that more jalsas will be held in Karachi, Hyderabad, Loralai and Bannu, followed by a sit-in in Islamabad.

    He also announced that a gathering named "Jalsa Raddul Fasaad" will be held on April 22 in Lahore, whereas another one in Swat on April 29 will be called "Raah-e-Raast".

    The Islamabad sit-in would end only after an international guarantee, Pashteen told the audience.

    He also said that a rally will be taken to Waziristan after Ramazan.

    "We have to give the coming generations a bright future," he concluded.

    Thousands gather to demand basic human rights at PTM jalsa in Peshawar. — Photo by Author
    'Basic rights'
    Earlier, highlighting the plight of the tribal people, PTM's central leader Ali Wazir said that bloodshed was being spread across the country. "The people of Fata have been rendered homeless while their belongings have been destroyed," he added, demanding a human rights commission — rather than a judicial commission — to investigate the issues of Fata's people.

    Meanwhile, PTM leader Sanna Ejaz demanded the closure of National Logistics Cell units in Torkham, Chaman and Ghulam Khan, as well as the return of properties in Swat and Malakand to their rightful owners.

    Read: ‘Pakhtun Tahaffuz Movement has no anti-state agenda’

    "The people of tribal areas should be given the same rights as the people of Lahore and Islamabad," she said, demanding an end to target killing of Pakhtuns and the provision of basic human rights to the people of tribal areas.

    Other speakers demanded that facilities such as hospitals, schools and colleges should be provided in Fata, vowing to continue their demand for rights within the ambit of the Constitution.

    "Sindhis, Balochs and even the oppressed Punjabis are looking towards you today," a speaker said in Urdu, addressing the crowd, adding that the movement's leader Manzoor Pashteen is the last hope of the oppressed in the country.

    The speakers included a mix of emotionally charged young men and women as well as elders, who read poems.

    Related: Mazari red cap orders increase ahead of PTM meet

    Leaders of other political parties also spoke at the gathering. Pakhtunhwa Milli Awami Party (PkMAP) Senator Usman Kakar said that whoever wants peace, education, employment and hospitals for Pakhtuns is a friend, while those wanting unrest are the enemy.

    "Rao Anwar is the name of a mindset which should be put to an end," Senator Kakar said.

    There were unconfirmed reports of 3G and 4G internet service being interrupted in the area. A Twitter account — said to be the movement's official account — alleged that "internet connectivity was being constantly interrupted by the state".


    The Pakhtun spring
    Reports of protests led by the PTM in Islamabad first made headlines following the extrajudicial killing of Waziristan native Naqeebullah Mehsud — a shopkeeper and aspiring model — in Karachi in January.

    The PTM — an organisation working for the rights of those affected by war on terror in Tribal Areas especially those from South Waziristan — staged protests in different parts of the country against alleged enforced disappearances, extrajudicial arrests and killings, as well as the mistreatment of the Pakhtun community by security forces.


    The movement's leaders claim that in the past decade, 32,000 Pashtuns have gone missing from Fata. They insist that their struggle is to ensure implementation of the Constitution, under which law-enforcement agencies are supposed to provide details of the people they pick up and present them before courts.

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    Bravo Manzoor. So wonderful to see this movement gathering pace in spite of the efforts of certain organisations.

    We Pakistanis stand alongside you. We want a progressive Pakistan with a bright future.

    Inquilab Zindabad! Pakistan Zindabad!

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    Huge gathering!This sort of peaceful and non-political gathering has never been seen in Pakistan before but there is a complete media blackout.

    About time Pakistan’s establishment wakes up and gives due rights to its people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    Huge gathering!This sort of peaceful and non-political gathering has never been seen in Pakistan before but there is a complete media blackout.

    About time Pakistan’s establishment wakes up and gives due rights to its people.
    peaceful? the whole PTM movement is hijacked and Pashteen is just being used by nationlists. Here is a clip from today gathering where a PTM leader is saying we will avenge our blood. We will kill you. We will force you out of our pure land (to pak army who cleared this area from TTP when all these were hiding).



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    To all those supporting this PTM one simple question why Pashteen is standing together with Achakzai who rejected the advise to merge FATA with KP to mainstream it? Why pashteen never talk about the meger why he is so hell bent on getting the support from afghanis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    To all those supporting this PTM one simple question why Pashteen is standing together with Achakzai who rejected the advise to merge FATA with KP to mainstream it? Why pashteen never talk about the meger why he is so hell bent on getting the support from afghanis?
    That's a very valid question and no one has been able to answer. More than half of their issues could be resolved (not instantly) if the FATA-KPK merger goes ahead and almost all parties are in favour except this Achakzai guy and Maulana Fazl ur Rehman so why on earth are they resisting merger but stand at forefront of PASHTUN rights movement???

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    Huge gathering!This sort of peaceful and non-political gathering has never been seen in Pakistan before but there is a complete media blackout.

    About time Pakistan’s establishment wakes up and gives due rights to its people.
    The guys a stealth separatist/ethnofascist.


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    Also easy to blame security agencies for missing persons but according to few reports i have read, APS mastermind Omar Masnoor was also once missing person, he was released due to pressure and lack of evidence and he fled to Afghanistan after release, result is 100+ murders to innocent kids in APS.

    By the way this Pashteen guy (key PTM figure) also accused Army of killing it's own children in APS attack in "Zara Hut Kay" few days ago. So the poor kids get butchered for their relation with Army but these idiots blame Army even for that???

    I think some of their demands are very genuine though, i heard that security posts do humiliate people on security checks which must be addressed but you can't blame security agencies too much for excessive security check-posts given the challenges they face in the area and number of attacks on these check-posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    I think some of their demands are very genuine though, i heard that security posts do humiliate people on security checks which must be addressed but you can't blame security agencies too much for excessive security check-posts given the challenges they face in the area and number of attacks on these check-posts.
    Those check posts exist everywhere i am in Punjab and whenever i am visiting CMH hospital i have to go through 2 check posts just to see a doctor or even if i have to get a test report from their lab.

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    The PTM — an organisation working for the rights of those affected by war on terror in Tribal Areas especially those from South Waziristan — staged protests in different parts of the country against alleged enforced disappearances, extrajudicial arrests and killings, as well as the mistreatment of the Pakhtun community by security forces.
    This is very interesting, there is a lot of criticism on "Military strikes" affecting lives of tribals which is genuine concern as well because it is NEVER easy to live peacefully in war affected areas.

    Now i see lot of liberals crying about military action affecting lives of locals but aren't these same people who demanded military actions in the first place? Wasn't there a guy who opposed the military strikes and he was called Taliban agent by same people?
    Imran Khan always said "Apnay logon pe bomb barsao gay tou unko apnay khilaaf karo gay", tribals always stood with Pakistan so don't turn them against your own Army by bombing them. Didn't some (i also supported military strikes) say that he was trying to protect Talibans by opposing the military strikes??

    This is obvious price we always knew we were going to pay for launching military strikes so the liberals now need to stop shedding crocodile tears and act like they are always right. You can't blame the military for not launching strikes for so many years and finally when they did carry out attacks, now blame them for affecting lives of locals.

    And then these geniuses wanted military strikes against Faizabad protesters and that too in Islamabad and dozens of other places where protesters had gathered when will they learn that opposing military strikes doesn't necessarily mean you support idiots like Rizvi or their ideology, it just means there is heavy price to pay so resolve your issues as much as possible without using force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Those check posts exist everywhere i am in Punjab and whenever i am visiting CMH hospital i have to go through 2 check posts just to see a doctor or even if i have to get a test report from their lab.
    Agreed but they are claiming of misbehaviour so we have to address that (if it really happened) but check-posts are daily part of our lives unfortunately no matter what part of the country you are, you go through many of them in Lahore as well and it doesn't take a genius to work out that many MORE would be required in tribal areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    This is very interesting, there is a lot of criticism on "Military strikes" affecting lives of tribals which is genuine concern as well because it is NEVER easy to live peacefully in war affected areas.

    Now i see lot of liberals crying about military action affecting lives of locals but aren't these same people who demanded military actions in the first place? Wasn't there a guy who opposed the military strikes and he was called Taliban agent by same people?
    Imran Khan always said "Apnay logon pe bomb barsao gay tou unko apnay khilaaf karo gay", tribals always stood with Pakistan so don't turn them against your own Army by bombing them. Didn't some (i also supported military strikes) say that he was trying to protect Talibans by opposing the military strikes??

    This is obvious price we always knew we were going to pay for launching military strikes so the liberals now need to stop shedding crocodile tears and act like they are always right. You can't blame the military for not launching strikes for so many years and finally when they did carry out attacks, now blame them for affecting lives of locals.

    And then these geniuses wanted military strikes against Faizabad protesters and that too in Islamabad and dozens of other places where protesters had gathered when will they learn that opposing military strikes doesn't necessarily mean you support idiots like Rizvi or their ideology, it just means there is heavy price to pay so resolve your issues as much as possible without using force.
    This remind me of Hamid Mir and co first building the narrative and forcing Mush to attack Laal Masjid and once he did they kept crying over it for many months. Damned if you do damned if you don't situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    This remind me of Hamid Mir and co first building the narrative and forcing Mush to attack Laal Masjid and once he did they kept crying over it for many months. Damned if you do damned if you don't situation
    Yes i was going to include that in my post but forgot, majority wanted action against Mullah Aziz supporters in Lal masjid occupants (including myself) and when it did happen, same people cried rivers that "Masoom bachon ko maar diya"

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    Why didn't this movement start at the height of the war ... suddenly when everything is dying down and cpec is taking shape..... coincidence?

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    Must be a khaaaaaannnnssssspiracy to defame the noble "security forces" and derail CPEC because clearly no human rights have been violated, no innocents have gone missing never to be seen or heard from again and all those reports of gross human rights violations over the last two decades are clearly made up because our army don't do nothing illegal or immoral, no sir. Move along, nothing to see here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Why didn't this movement start at the height of the war ... suddenly when everything is dying down and cpec is taking shape..... coincidence?
    Exactly!

    Apparently Naqeebullah Mehsud's murder in Karachi triggered this so somehow Zardari's bahadur bacha Rao Anwaar has triggered countrywide protests against Army

    When such dodgy protests appear out of nowhere against governments, it's considered conspiracy by the Army against jamhooriat, not sure what do they think about these protests targeting Army at a time when terrorists have been defeated in tribal areas and who is at the forefront? Achakzai who never hides his love for Afghanistan as compared to Pakistan.

    And ALL the liberals pleading Army to initiate military action in tribal areas are now wholeheartedly criticisting Army for mistreatment of tribals due to these military strikes how convenient!

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    Modern Education is the only solution to Pakistan's problems. A revamped primary and secondary level education system is required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Modern Education is the only solution to Pakistan's problems. A revamped primary and secondary level education system is required.
    Disagree. Needs a revamped higher education system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    Must be a khaaaaaannnnssssspiracy to defame the noble "security forces" and derail CPEC because clearly no human rights have been violated, no innocents have gone missing never to be seen or heard from again and all those reports of gross human rights violations over the last two decades are clearly made up because our army don't do nothing illegal or immoral, no sir. Move along, nothing to see here.
    I am not one to partake in conspiracy theories as anyone who has followed my posts over the years can attest to but there is something fishy going on...

    Most certainly isnt a spontaneous movement that has sprung up due to murder of Mehsud in Karachi


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    To all those supporting this PTM one simple question why Pashteen is standing together with Achakzai who rejected the advise to merge FATA with KP to mainstream it? Why pashteen never talk about the meger why he is so hell bent on getting the support from afghanis?
    Its a human rights movement, for equal rights of citizens?Achakzai is a paktun.... and you can have difference of opinions while standing for a similar cause, if thats so hard to understand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    I am not one to partake in conspiracy theories as anyone who has followed my posts over the years can attest to but there is something fishy going on...

    Most certainly isnt a spontaneous movement that has sprung up due to murder of Mehsud in Karachi
    Well wasn't he murdered unjustly? Why is the state so scared to take Rao Anwaar to task? Because he will reveal alot of dirty secrets? Why do our TV channels support violent movements of Khadim Rizvi (like 92 news providing them electricity), but reject legitimate movements of civil rights that are being denied?? Do you deny that state forces have been responsible for disappearances of notable people? Or you think this doesn't happen in Pakistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    I am not one to partake in conspiracy theories as anyone who has followed my posts over the years can attest to but there is something fishy going on...

    Most certainly isnt a spontaneous movement that has sprung up due to murder of Mehsud in Karachi
    Is that a hunch or do you know something we don't that leads you to that conclusion? Personally, I don't buy that line of reasoning since it's standard practice in Pakistan to label movements like this one Indian/Afghan/Yahudi sazish against the great nation of Pakistan where not a single human right has ever been violated and the army excretes roses and daisies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    Well wasn't he murdered unjustly? Why is the state so scared to take Rao Anwaar to task? Because he will reveal alot of dirty secrets? Why do our TV channels support violent movements of Khadim Rizvi (like 92 news providing them electricity), but reject legitimate movements of civil rights that are being denied?? Do you deny that state forces have been responsible for disappearances of notable people? Or you think this doesn't happen in Pakistan?
    On Khadim Rizvi, did you know that he has been staging a protest for many days as well but there has been complete media blackout (and rightly so). Media also played positive role in ignoring Mumtaz Qadri's funeral so maybe they feel protests like these create negative impact?? You can't say blackout of one protest is right and other is wrong.

    By the way i don't think there is anyone who didn't support Naqeebullah Mehsud and although his murder triggered the protests but all of a sudden it's very minor part of this protest now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Disagree. Needs a revamped higher education system.
    I dont think so. Atleast not yet. Higher education is a privilege in our part of the world. Only a select few from the general population are able to afford or feel motivated enough to opt for higher education. Whereas a massive percentage of the population does attend primary and secondary schools before eventually dropping out. Moreover if the base isn't strong enough then the higher education would not be able to change the mindset with which the person has grown up.

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    Been to Waiziristan, Swat, Darra Adam Khel, Charsadda e.t.c e.t.c places, i dont know what this guy is even talking about? Security Check posts there no doubt, but i havent seen/heard that they have beaten some one. Yes, they are rude, they like to scold when people dont want to understand a straight forward thing.

    Some of the people from Tribal areas, they dont like when they are being passed through security checkpoints, they kinda feel like dis grading. . And the mian thing which they hate about is Punjabi Pathan thing

    This guy should not be taken seriously.


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    And he is standing with Achakzai


    140 characters from Lala's keyboard, it’s as if he’s launched 140 nuclear missiles on India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    On Khadim Rizvi, did you know that he has been staging a protest for many days as well but there has been complete media blackout (and rightly so). Media also played positive role in ignoring Mumtaz Qadri's funeral so maybe they feel protests like these create negative impact?? You can't say blackout of one protest is right and other is wrong.

    By the way i don't think there is anyone who didn't support Naqeebullah Mehsud and although his murder triggered the protests but all of a sudden it's very minor part of this protest now.
    So are you hurt that the media blacked out a funeral for a murderer who was declared a murderer by the state institution? You seemed to be pretty hurt by this fact... what is bothering you exactly? That the protest is gaining momentum?

    Protest is every human beings right! Its not neccessary that it has some agenda behind it. Now you will say why the army being dubbed behind the protest of Khadim Rizvi? Well don't give out free notes of 1000 rupees and don't call yourself the mediator through which the deal was made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    On Khadim Rizvi, did you know that he has been staging a protest for many days as well but there has been complete media blackout (and rightly so). Media also played positive role in ignoring Mumtaz Qadri's funeral so maybe they feel protests like these create negative impact?? You can't say blackout of one protest is right and other is wrong.

    By the way i don't think there is anyone who didn't support Naqeebullah Mehsud and although his murder triggered the protests but all of a sudden it's very minor part of this protest now.
    Have you ever heard of a channel actually funding some part of the protest? Well it was the case here, where 92 news actually facilitated the protest in some form, I don't know what it was, the court's verdict was handed out recently and what was supplied how, all the details have been given in it

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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    Is that a hunch or do you know something we don't that leads you to that conclusion? Personally, I don't buy that line of reasoning since it's standard practice in Pakistan to label movements like this one Indian/Afghan/Yahudi sazish against the great nation of Pakistan where not a single human right has ever been violated and the army excretes roses and daisies.
    In Pakistan everything becomes anti-state.... or anti national... easy to think that without providing any rational for it. Only Imran Khan's halal movement to shutdown a city is legitimate..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    peaceful? the whole PTM movement is hijacked and Pashteen is just being used by nationlists. Here is a clip from today gathering where a PTM leader is saying we will avenge our blood. We will kill you. We will force you out of our pure land (to pak army who cleared this area from TTP when all these were hiding).


    Even if the movement has been hijacked by separatists or opportunists,which I doubt, it still does not make their grievances any less.The issue of enforced disappearances remains.Anyone who questions the establishment and calls for accountability or calls for peace with India is picked up with lightening speed and efficiency. All under the guise of national security and national interest.

    While we speak, one more academic from Sindh goes missing and nobody still knows the whereabouts of the peace activist who called for peace and dialogue with India on Facebook and was picked up hours after the post.It has been months and his family has knocked on every door.

    While we speak, Mullah Burka, Aurangzaib Frutti and LeJ leaders roam openly.Maybe, some day, these monsters will,too,be made to disappear.

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    Super miracles of PTM. A 'Helmandi mother' whose son was killed in Helmand on 5 April, Miraculously became 'Swati woman' on 8 April and her dead son became 'missing person'. Reached Peshawar exactly '12 hours before PTM rally' (VOA, PTM and Afghan FACTS). You can't make this up.

    Just imagine the level of 'propaganda effort' for PTM. Afghan journalist (blue tick) shares a fake pic with heart-wrenching caption. PTM official account adds some spice mirch masala to it (Swat, 12 hours ago etc). And finally VOA relays it for 'international audience'.








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    Some of their concerns are genuine and should be addressed but overall this movement has been hijacked by usual Nationalists and Anti Army Achakzai types. Ironically, the same people who are at the forefront of this movement are those who oppose the merger of FATA into KPK (an act that will solve many problems related to tribal areas) and this alone is a question mark on their intentions. These people were silent when army soldiers were giving their lives to eliminate extremists. Not single one of them appreciate the efforts of our armed forces. People of tribal areas know the ground reality and they are with their army as without their support, these extremists could not have been eliminated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    Some of their concerns are genuine and should be addressed but overall this movement has been hijacked by usual Nationalists and Anti Army Achakzai types. Ironically, the same people who are at the forefront of this movement are those who oppose the merger of FATA into KPK (an act that will solve many problems related to tribal areas) and this alone is a question mark on their intentions. These people were silent when army soldiers were giving their lives to eliminate extremists. Not single one of them appreciate the efforts of our armed forces. People of tribal areas know the ground reality and they are with their army as without their support, these extremists could not have been eliminated.
    They and their liberal friends wanted Pak Army to clean the mess in FATA and now they want them to leave so that those terrorists who left FATA and moved to Afghan land can come back and start from where they left

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    Well wasn't he murdered unjustly? Why is the state so scared to take Rao Anwaar to task? Because he will reveal alot of dirty secrets? Why do our TV channels support violent movements of Khadim Rizvi (like 92 news providing them electricity), but reject legitimate movements of civil rights that are being denied?? Do you deny that state forces have been responsible for disappearances of notable people? Or you think this doesn't happen in Pakistan?
    Who has ever denied any of those things? However are these new? Do you seriously think that the Mehsud murder was the last straw which broke the camels' back? Do you seriously believe that this is a spontaneous movement which has just gathered pace and become this big?

    As for Rao Anwar. He has been carrying out his reign of terror against people of Karachi for years now so this was hardly something out of the ordinary. Btw it is convenient that when it was primarily Urdu speaking people being killed it was termed as cleaning up of 'terrorists' and when an unregistered Pathan from the Mehsud tribe is the target everyone's sensibilities have arisen?


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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    Even if the movement has been hijacked by separatists or opportunists,which I doubt, it still does not make their grievances any less.The issue of enforced disappearances remains.Anyone who questions the establishment and calls for accountability or calls for peace with India is picked up with lightening speed and efficiency. All under the guise of national security and national interest.

    While we speak, one more academic from Sindh goes missing and nobody still knows the whereabouts of the peace activist who called for peace and dialogue with India on Facebook and was picked up hours after the post.It has been months and his family has knocked on every door.

    While we speak, Mullah Burka, Aurangzaib Frutti and LeJ leaders roam openly.Maybe, some day, these monsters will,too,be made to disappear.
    I personally do not think the PTM is hijacked by separatists as I haven't seen any proof of this. I think this is just an easy criticism people like to make.

    Like you said, the reality of the situation is unbelievable. Enforced disappearances must come to an end and those who are missing must be recovered. This situation cannot be allowed to continue. It is not just a Pukthun issue (as you rightly point out) - those from any background who question the Establishment end up facing difficulties.

    As a Pakistani, I feel great shame we are not willing to condemn the fact that fanatics like Tehreek Labbaik have now been protesting for days on end outside Data Darbar and are allowed to operate with impunity - no major political party, be it PML (N) or PTI are willing to offer any condemnation of fanatics. And this is just the tip of the iceberg! Lets not get onto Molvi Abdul Aziz, Hafiz Saeed, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    I dont think so. Atleast not yet. Higher education is a privilege in our part of the world. Only a select few from the general population are able to afford or feel motivated enough to opt for higher education. Whereas a massive percentage of the population does attend primary and secondary schools before eventually dropping out. Moreover if the base isn't strong enough then the higher education would not be able to change the mindset with which the person has grown up.
    Few clever people can make all the difference. You need quality institutions to churn those out. Few hundred thousand British were ruling over what half a billion people from the subcontinent. At home at that time, majority of British population was vastly poor with little education. Same with Portugal, tiny country that 80-90 illeteracy hundred years ago but yet had a vast empire.

    Didactic process can only do so much for the masses. They will fall in line, what matters is whose at the top running it.

    Where countries like Pakistan fall down on is that they have at the top incompetency mixed in with corruption. You can't recover from this mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    Is that a hunch or do you know something we don't that leads you to that conclusion? Personally, I don't buy that line of reasoning since it's standard practice in Pakistan to label movements like this one Indian/Afghan/Yahudi sazish against the great nation of Pakistan where not a single human right has ever been violated and the army excretes roses and daisies.
    Stop relying on hyperbole to try to make a point


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    I told you the majority of these protestors and taliban are Afghan gypsies with dubious origins pretending to be Pakistanis they have literally swamped Pakistan along with illegal Bengalis in Karachi and Hindustani muhajir raw agents like kulbushan yadav , altaf Hussain, ajmal pahari.

    Then you have Iranian Shia worshippers mainly from ppp like that loon faisal raza abidi and uzair baloch and lyari gangs who had links with ttp which was being supported by Iran and India

    Pak fauj show no mercy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    They and their liberal friends wanted Pak Army to clean the mess in FATA and now they want them to leave so that those terrorists who left FATA and moved to Afghan land can come back and start from where they left
    I do not think our Army has been cleaning up any mess in FATA - rather than has been exacerbating the situation through its humiliating treatment of local people at checkposts. Mines have not been cleared from the land either and these remain a serious issue for local civilians.

    Is this what you mean by clearing the mess?


    DERA ISMAIL KHAN: Local authorities on Friday dynamited a market in Rustam Bazaar of South Waziristan’s headquarters Wana under local laws as a punishment for an explosion which killed an army officer and injured many others earlier this week, officials and local residents confirmed.

    Political Agent in South Waziristan Agency Zafarul Islam Khattak told Dawn that the action was taken under the collective and territorial res*ponsi*bility clauses of the Fron*tier Crime Regulation (FCR).


    https://www.dawn.com/news/1294376
    Or what about this unprovoked firing on civilians. I believe an inquiry was promised but nothing has come of it.

    Army Chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa lamented the firing incident on protesters in Parachinar by Frontier Constabulary personnel last week, which had resulted in the death of four civilians, and said an inquiry has been initiated and that “those responsible shall not be spared”.
    Lets not even get onto the appalling treatment of internally displaced peoples who have suffered greatly, being forced to even go to the extent of having to protest for food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Stop relying on hyperbole to try to make a point
    Unfortunate necessity. Too many people are happy to sweep this kind of thing under the rug.


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    Check points are everywhere in Pakistan and you should all be thankful that they are and is keeping you safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Check points are everywhere in Pakistan and you should all be thankful that they are and is keeping you safe.
    Same. You can find them thoughout Lahore, Islamabad etc. Its no big deal.

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    Yes - I am aware of the existence of checkpoints in other parts of Pakistan too, but the issue is that people in FATA are regularly humiliated and demeaned at these checkpoints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    Same. You can find them thoughout Lahore, Islamabad etc. Its no big deal.
    I was in Pakistan late last year after a long gap, I was mightily impressed with so much security because of all these check points. We travelled through parts which were well known for decoaits and such, and you would avoid travelling there most times and especially at night which we were doing. My nephew who was with me told me that all those elements had been eliminated by army and police and there is no problem whatsoever now in these areas.

    More checkpoints please if it brings safety and security for citizens. Just make sure you have your ID card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    Yes - I am aware of the existence of checkpoints in other parts of Pakistan too, but the issue is that people in FATA are regularly humiliated and demeaned at these checkpoints.
    Why are they "humiliated" and no one else.... do they not carry ID cards?

    With such a long and porous border with afghans, it's only right there is thorough checking as any Afghan can simply walk over into Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Why are they "humiliated" and no one else.... do they not carry ID cards?

    With such a long and porous border with afghans, it's only right there is thorough checking as any Afghan can simply walk over into Pakistan.
    I got married in Lahore. On the way to my the wedding hall it was me and driver, I was stopped at an army check point, they checked my ID, car documents and then made a few marriage jokes and I was on my way. I wasn't offended for one tiny bit. I'm not sure why we have a lot of snowflakes who get offended at every small thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DW44 View Post
    Must be a khaaaaaannnnssssspiracy to defame the noble "security forces" and derail CPEC because clearly no human rights have been violated, no innocents have gone missing never to be seen or heard from again and all those reports of gross human rights violations over the last two decades are clearly made up because our army don't do nothing illegal or immoral, no sir. Move along, nothing to see here.
    This guy is dangerous for the health of our milliatry forces,....Everyone is listening to him and if iam not wrong more than 60% pasthun will agree what he demands.

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    Pakistan Media Blackout on Pashtoon Long March?


    Last edited by Abdullah719; 9th April 2018 at 16:05.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    I got married in Lahore. On the way to my the wedding hall it was me and driver, I was stopped at an army check point, they checked my ID, car documents and then made a few marriage jokes and I was on my way. I wasn't offended for one tiny bit. I'm not sure why we have a lot of snowflakes who get offended at every small thing.
    Zar aaw na hamaray ah chakr laga k.....phir patta chalay ga kya ha kya anhe......the attitude is has been disappointing at check posts.

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    But social media and foreign media is already covering it .

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    A FATA - KPK merger would solve a lot of issues, can get these people to join his afforestation project

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    Zar aaw na hamaray ah chakr laga k.....phir patta chalay ga kya ha kya anhe......the attitude is has been disappointing at check posts.
    What's the issue..... it's a rigorous check ? Could it be because there are lot of illegal afghans roaming around.

    Look at the outcome, bombings have reduced drastically. What is more important? Your pride or safety and security for everyone.

    I finally got round to getting an Overseas card, and it was a bloody pain and there were times I was annoyed when every documrnted had to be verified and onus is on you to prove who you say you are. But in the end it's a good thing, they have to know who is who and keep tabs on people.

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    Why hasnt the media covered this? shame on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    What's the issue..... it's a rigorous check ? Could it be because there are lot of illegal afghans roaming around.

    Look at the outcome, bombings have reduced drastically. What is more important? Your pride or safety and security for everyone.

    I finally got round to getting an Overseas card, and it was a bloody pain and there were times I was annoyed when every documrnted had to be verified and onus is on you to prove who you say you are. But in the end it's a good thing, they have to know who is who and keep tabs on people.
    When you have to stay in line for hour every 2 kilometers and once they think you are behaving in an arrogant way will fire abusive language and definitely some hard boots as well...You ahve neevr listened or experienced such things thats why you say no issue.
    Believe me whenever i answered them to their most commonly asked question that what you do....they recheck my id and start asking questions which shows that being a doctor you are nothing but instead you have to be scruitinized more although my appearance is not of that of people.
    These check post should have some protocol..i am not against my ID cehecking and verfication but i am against the way they respond when they come to know that i am a doctor.
    They even will make you stand for hours or will make you doing that kana pakharo wal things in front of the locals who know you,,even with 60 years old .

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    When you have to stay in line for hour every 2 kilometers and once they think you are behaving in an arrogant way will fire abusive language and definitely some hard boots as well...You ahve neevr listened or experienced such things thats why you say no issue.
    Believe me whenever i answered them to their most commonly asked question that what you do....they recheck my id and start asking questions which shows that being a doctor you are nothing but instead you have to be scruitinized more although my appearance is not of that of people.
    These check post should have some protocol..i am not against my ID cehecking and verfication but i am against the way they respond when they come to know that i am a doctor.
    They even will make you stand for hours or will make you doing that kana pakharo wal things in front of the locals who know you,,even with 60 years old .
    Ok. That is really disappointing. Not faced anything like that. Yes ofcourse they should have a proper mechanism of vetting that is not degrading, it's common sense. But unfortunately common sense isn't any common anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Super miracles of PTM. A 'Helmandi mother' whose son was killed in Helmand on 5 April, Miraculously became 'Swati woman' on 8 April and her dead son became 'missing person'. Reached Peshawar exactly '12 hours before PTM rally' (VOA, PTM and Afghan FACTS). You can't make this up.

    Just imagine the level of 'propaganda effort' for PTM. Afghan journalist (blue tick) shares a fake pic with heart-wrenching caption. PTM official account adds some spice mirch masala to it (Swat, 12 hours ago etc). And finally VOA relays it for 'international audience'.







    How conveniently this post is ignored because it exposes the fake propaganda and fake images PTM is using on social media and media with the help of Afghan Govt,VOA and BBC this is not the only one example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    I do not think our Army has been cleaning up any mess in FATA - rather than has been exacerbating the situation through its humiliating treatment of local people at checkposts. Mines have not been cleared from the land either and these remain a serious issue for local civilians.

    Is this what you mean by clearing the mess?



    Or what about this unprovoked firing on civilians. I believe an inquiry was promised but nothing has come of it.



    Lets not even get onto the appalling treatment of internally displaced peoples who have suffered greatly, being forced to even go to the extent of having to protest for food.
    What ? Our army is not cleaning up any mess in FATA ? Are you the one who fought against extremists there or your pal achakzai was fighting them ? Tell this to the children of 390 soldiers who embraced martyrdom in operation Zarb-e-Azb alone. Criticizing certain policies and actions is one thing but totally forgetting the sacrifices that your army is making for you is simply pathetic.

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    There's this journalist on Twitter for VoA that goes by the name "Nazrana Ghaffar", she also posts a lot of fake news and image. A lot of these ethnofascists will post fake news to push their agenda.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistanian View Post
    There's this journalist on Twitter for VoA that goes by the name "Nazrana Ghaffar", she also posts a lot of fake news and image. A lot of these ethnofascists will post fake news to push their agenda.
    They are even using old Syria and Afghanistan images for their propganda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    They are even using old Syria and Afghanistan images for their propganda
    This one time she tweeted pics of hazara kids in Afghanistan studying on a mountain in the open and praised them as "brave afghan kids" and then a few months later she tweets the exact same photo ans captions it as "poor Baloch kids" studying in the open cause they have no schools in Balochistan she was called out for deciet but I don't think she cares lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakistanian View Post
    This one time she tweeted pics of hazara kids in Afghanistan studying on a mountain in the open and praised them as "brave afghan kids" and then a few months later she tweets the exact same photo ans captions it as "poor Baloch kids" studying in the open cause they have no schools in Balochistan she was called out for deciet but I don't think she cares lol.
    haha yea these are the reasons nobody take most of these liberal neutral journalists seriously

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    While I am not in favor of nationalists or their agenda (especially the opportunistic Achakzai and ANP), there are some very legitimate concerns/demands raised by Manzur Pashteen and if the state does not resolve these issues right away, this movement could lead to something horrific based on what i have seen/heard from all Pukhtoons so far.

    I have witnessed some of the points brought up first hand in Swat where I am from.
    - Army have set up shops by force in public's homes/business buildings. These are properties belonging to common man and it should be returned.
    - Check posts harass you like you are not a citizen of the country. You ask them any question and they answer you like you are some low life/criminal from another country living in Pakistan. This gives the feeling like it's not our Army helping us but it's an occupation force.
    - There are way too many check posts. You cannot go on any road without having at least a couple of check posts to go through. What is FC for if there is a need for so many check posts.
    - There are literally no Pashto speakers in these Army deployments to these region. This causes a barrier between public and Army. Why can't there be more Pashto speakers in these areas deployed instead of Punjabi speakers only. That way people can relate to them. I remember an incident where the army was directing a person to not come too close to the check post but he didn't understand Urdu and they ended up holding him up with a gun.
    - While visiting Swat, i was taking pictures of scenery with my cell phone not realizing there was a check post close by. The Army yelled at me for taking the pic and I got into an argument with them because I felt like it is my homeland and who the heck was he to tell me not to take a picture of my homeland. My uncle told me off because they are scared someone could go missing the next day picked up by either "taliban" or the army and then there is nothing anyone can do. No one is allowed to question anything the Army does.
    - Roads/Army schools/Air port extensions are built without taking Public opinion on it. While it might help the area in the long run, but they are forcing people to let go of their lands/properties for these projects. No one can dare raise an objection (which is how democracy should work).

    I hate ANP and Achakzai getting their opportunistic-selves involved in this movement because they just want in for the votes and will hijack it, but the movement is legitimate and almost every Pakhtun is getting involved in it one way or another.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    When you have to stay in line for hour every 2 kilometers and once they think you are behaving in an arrogant way will fire abusive language and definitely some hard boots as well...You ahve neevr listened or experienced such things thats why you say no issue.
    Believe me whenever i answered them to their most commonly asked question that what you do....they recheck my id and start asking questions which shows that being a doctor you are nothing but instead you have to be scruitinized more although my appearance is not of that of people.
    These check post should have some protocol..i am not against my ID cehecking and verfication but i am against the way they respond when they come to know that i am a doctor.
    They even will make you stand for hours or will make you doing that kana pakharo wal things in front of the locals who know you,,even with 60 years old .
    Has this happened to you personally ? very unfortunate and sad in that case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    Has this happened to you personally ? very unfortunate and sad in that case.
    Not to me but to many others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanz141 View Post
    While I am not in favor of nationalists or their agenda (especially the opportunistic Achakzai and ANP), there are some very legitimate concerns/demands raised by Manzur Pashteen and if the state does not resolve these issues right away, this movement could lead to something horrific based on what i have seen/heard from all Pukhtoons so far.

    I have witnessed some of the points brought up first hand in Swat where I am from.
    - Army have set up shops by force in public's homes/business buildings. These are properties belonging to common man and it should be returned.
    - Check posts harass you like you are not a citizen of the country. You ask them any question and they answer you like you are some low life/criminal from another country living in Pakistan. This gives the feeling like it's not our Army helping us but it's an occupation force.
    - There are way too many check posts. You cannot go on any road without having at least a couple of check posts to go through. What is FC for if there is a need for so many check posts.
    - There are literally no Pashto speakers in these Army deployments to these region. This causes a barrier between public and Army. Why can't there be more Pashto speakers in these areas deployed instead of Punjabi speakers only. That way people can relate to them. I remember an incident where the army was directing a person to not come too close to the check post but he didn't understand Urdu and they ended up holding him up with a gun.
    - While visiting Swat, i was taking pictures of scenery with my cell phone not realizing there was a check post close by. The Army yelled at me for taking the pic and I got into an argument with them because I felt like it is my homeland and who the heck was he to tell me not to take a picture of my homeland. My uncle told me off because they are scared someone could go missing the next day picked up by either "taliban" or the army and then there is nothing anyone can do. No one is allowed to question anything the Army does.
    - Roads/Army schools/Air port extensions are built without taking Public opinion on it. While it might help the area in the long run, but they are forcing people to let go of their lands/properties for these projects. No one can dare raise an objection (which is how democracy should work).

    I hate ANP and Achakzai getting their opportunistic-selves involved in this movement because they just want in for the votes and will hijack it, but the movement is legitimate and almost every Pakhtun is getting involved in it one way or another.
    You are right thats what i wanted to explain.I am from dir..But language is not that strong so avoided lenthty par.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanz141 View Post
    While I am not in favor of nationalists or their agenda (especially the opportunistic Achakzai and ANP), there are some very legitimate concerns/demands raised by Manzur Pashteen and if the state does not resolve these issues right away, this movement could lead to something horrific based on what i have seen/heard from all Pukhtoons so far.

    I have witnessed some of the points brought up first hand in Swat where I am from.
    - Army have set up shops by force in public's homes/business buildings. These are properties belonging to common man and it should be returned.
    - Check posts harass you like you are not a citizen of the country. You ask them any question and they answer you like you are some low life/criminal from another country living in Pakistan. This gives the feeling like it's not our Army helping us but it's an occupation force.
    - There are way too many check posts. You cannot go on any road without having at least a couple of check posts to go through. What is FC for if there is a need for so many check posts.
    - There are literally no Pashto speakers in these Army deployments to these region. This causes a barrier between public and Army. Why can't there be more Pashto speakers in these areas deployed instead of Punjabi speakers only. That way people can relate to them. I remember an incident where the army was directing a person to not come too close to the check post but he didn't understand Urdu and they ended up holding him up with a gun.
    - While visiting Swat, i was taking pictures of scenery with my cell phone not realizing there was a check post close by. The Army yelled at me for taking the pic and I got into an argument with them because I felt like it is my homeland and who the heck was he to tell me not to take a picture of my homeland. My uncle told me off because they are scared someone could go missing the next day picked up by either "taliban" or the army and then there is nothing anyone can do. No one is allowed to question anything the Army does.
    - Roads/Army schools/Air port extensions are built without taking Public opinion on it. While it might help the area in the long run, but they are forcing people to let go of their lands/properties for these projects. No one can dare raise an objection (which is how democracy should work).

    I hate ANP and Achakzai getting their opportunistic-selves involved in this movement because they just want in for the votes and will hijack it, but the movement is legitimate and almost every Pakhtun is getting involved in it one way or another.
    Whe you give this feeling to the local that we are here to protect you rather tahn here to harress you then many issues will get solved.They will even come up with people having dobious background and will help you out in finding terrorists but at present everybody is scared including me.
    The most scr moment from dir to peshawar for me is check post.
    I dont know why but i have that feeling.

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    Yes some individuals representing the movement are spreading misinformation but that doesn’t mean their legitimate demands should be ignored. This is bigger than an individual, people should stop discrediting their concerns just because some Afghans and Achakzai are supporting the movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khanz141 View Post
    While I am not in favor of nationalists or their agenda (especially the opportunistic Achakzai and ANP), there are some very legitimate concerns/demands raised by Manzur Pashteen and if the state does not resolve these issues right away, this movement could lead to something horrific based on what i have seen/heard from all Pukhtoons so far.

    I have witnessed some of the points brought up first hand in Swat where I am from.
    - Army have set up shops by force in public's homes/business buildings. These are properties belonging to common man and it should be returned.
    - Check posts harass you like you are not a citizen of the country. You ask them any question and they answer you like you are some low life/criminal from another country living in Pakistan. This gives the feeling like it's not our Army helping us but it's an occupation force.
    - There are way too many check posts. You cannot go on any road without having at least a couple of check posts to go through. What is FC for if there is a need for so many check posts.
    - There are literally no Pashto speakers in these Army deployments to these region. This causes a barrier between public and Army. Why can't there be more Pashto speakers in these areas deployed instead of Punjabi speakers only. That way people can relate to them. I remember an incident where the army was directing a person to not come too close to the check post but he didn't understand Urdu and they ended up holding him up with a gun.
    - While visiting Swat, i was taking pictures of scenery with my cell phone not realizing there was a check post close by. The Army yelled at me for taking the pic and I got into an argument with them because I felt like it is my homeland and who the heck was he to tell me not to take a picture of my homeland. My uncle told me off because they are scared someone could go missing the next day picked up by either "taliban" or the army and then there is nothing anyone can do. No one is allowed to question anything the Army does.
    - Roads/Army schools/Air port extensions are built without taking Public opinion on it. While it might help the area in the long run, but they are forcing people to let go of their lands/properties for these projects. No one can dare raise an objection (which is how democracy should work).

    I hate ANP and Achakzai getting their opportunistic-selves involved in this movement because they just want in for the votes and will hijack it, but the movement is legitimate and almost every Pakhtun is getting involved in it one way or another.
    It's probably a good idea that there are less Pashtuns in those check posts, they could get identified and their families could become targets for terrorists. It's a fine balancing act.

    One of my relatives in the army died in an operation in fata region few years ago. irony is that he was born stone throw away from LOC, where the actual enemy resides. No body could have imagined that he would die fighting an enemy not the one on the doorstep but on the other side within our own borders. But that's the topsy turvy world we live in today.

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    I'm finding it hard to believe that there are no pashto speakers in the army

    When there are many Pashtuns in Pakistan army lodes from Swabi Mardan karak Peshawar etc

    And the frontier corps and frontier force , tribal khasdarars and police who are in frontier and Baluchistan are Pashtun

    The checkpoints are there to stop the flow of terrorists and weapons and drugs result you don't see massive truck bombs taking out hotels in Islamabad anymore

    Afghan backsides are on fire because of this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Who has ever denied any of those things? However are these new? Do you seriously think that the Mehsud murder was the last straw which broke the camels' back? Do you seriously believe that this is a spontaneous movement which has just gathered pace and become this big?

    As for Rao Anwar. He has been carrying out his reign of terror against people of Karachi for years now so this was hardly something out of the ordinary. Btw it is convenient that when it was primarily Urdu speaking people being killed it was termed as cleaning up of 'terrorists' and when an unregistered Pathan from the Mehsud tribe is the target everyone's sensibilities have arisen?
    Firstly, yes Mehsud's issue was different because it was aroused in the media, Rao Anwaar was caught red handed this time yet he managed to get abscond and no one knew about his where abouts. If you look at the recent transmissions on TV, Rao Anwaar's topic has almost always been daily news. Secondly the guy was brutally murdered in cold blood without any proof provided of terrorist activities. Not only that, like Mashal Khan's case, this guy had somewhat of a popular face before this man was killed.

    Our media has been tough on killers lately... From zainab's murder case, to Naqeebullah Mehsud, the media has played a big role in highlighting the issues. Which led to mass protests, at first starting in Karachi and then moving to the federal.

    Now Rao Anwaar has been a known convict, and Muhajirs have every right to protest for their missing persons, and they have in front of press conferences all the time. The perception is different since no one likes the MQM every calls them terrorist. My point is everyone has an equal right to protest... and if you keep ignoring these rights, protests like this will always happen.

    Our state enforcers hands out 1000 rupee notes to bullies like Khadim Rizvi's goons and tells them 'kia hum aapkay saath nahi hain?' But calls these people anti state for having a different opinion, or demanding equal civil rights. Or asking for a known convict to be given a proper trial.

    The issue is mutual between Pakhtun, Muhajir, and Baloch civilians, who whenever they have brought up issues regarding state persons missing or killed, they end up getting ignored or termed anti state. Whenever someone talks about the army they face the same propaganda? Coincidence? I think not...

    Basically as long as you tow the army line everything is fine as long as you are of some sort of value to the establishment..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstorm View Post
    What ? Our army is not cleaning up any mess in FATA ? Are you the one who fought against extremists there or your pal achakzai was fighting them ? Tell this to the children of 390 soldiers who embraced martyrdom in operation Zarb-e-Azb alone. Criticizing certain policies and actions is one thing but totally forgetting the sacrifices that your army is making for you is simply pathetic.
    Achakzai isn't my pal and I am not a fan of such opportunists.

    I have every respect for those who have died on the frontlines, but that does not mean that I will not criticise the policies of our armed forces, who retain a distinction between good (useful) terrorists and bad (not useful) terrorists. Our Army has not handled the situation well at all and it is better to accept this.

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    @DRsohail @khanz141 thanks for your posts and providing examples of how demeaning and difficult life can be in FATA. It is not easy to conduct day to day business in these areas given how many checkposts are in place and how people are being treated.

    Pretending this is an anti-Pakistan, pro-Nationalist saazish orchestrated by Afghan and Indian agencies will not bear fruit. It is better to accept the facts: people - Pakistani people - have been treated appallingly by the state and deserve much better. It is totally unfair. The sooner that this is realised, the sooner we will be in a position to move forward as a nation. I am not an ethnic Pakhtun, but anyone who has any real idea of how power is administered in Pakistan will realise how important this movement is for Pakistan's future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    On Khadim Rizvi, did you know that he has been staging a protest for many days as well but there has been complete media blackout (and rightly so). Media also played positive role in ignoring Mumtaz Qadri's funeral so maybe they feel protests like these create negative impact?? You can't say blackout of one protest is right and other is wrong.

    By the way i don't think there is anyone who didn't support Naqeebullah Mehsud and although his murder triggered the protests but all of a sudden it's very minor part of this protest now.

    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    So are you hurt that the media blacked out a funeral for a murderer who was declared a murderer by the state institution? You seemed to be pretty hurt by this fact... what is bothering you exactly? That the protest is gaining momentum?

    Protest is every human beings right! Its not neccessary that it has some agenda behind it. Now you will say why the army being dubbed behind the protest of Khadim Rizvi? Well don't give out free notes of 1000 rupees and don't call yourself the mediator through which the deal was made.
    @waleed88 Bhai Angrezi tou meri bhi poori poori hai laikin aapka tou bera hi gharq hai

    I was trying to have a nice conversation but you can't help yourself i guess, what part of media playing positive role in Mumtaz Qadri's funeral blackout didn't you understand????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Super miracles of PTM. A 'Helmandi mother' whose son was killed in Helmand on 5 April, Miraculously became 'Swati woman' on 8 April and her dead son became 'missing person'. Reached Peshawar exactly '12 hours before PTM rally' (VOA, PTM and Afghan FACTS). You can't make this up.

    Just imagine the level of 'propaganda effort' for PTM. Afghan journalist (blue tick) shares a fake pic with heart-wrenching caption. PTM official account adds some spice mirch masala to it (Swat, 12 hours ago etc). And finally VOA relays it for 'international audience'.







    This type of propaganda along with this Pashteen's claims that Army killed it's own children in APS attack raises plenty of doubts. Also, no focus on FATA-KPK merger and Achakzai's presence adds to suspicions as well.

    All these Pashteens and Achakzai's could very well be on some agenda here but i think average people do have genuine concerns as @DRsohail and @khanz141 mentioned so hopefully something positive comes out of this protest and people get more respect at check posts and FATA-KPK merger gets fasttracked.

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    Who in their sane mind thought, it was a good idea to collectivly boycott this movement in this age of social media... It's picked well by the international media as well. Make the Pakistani media look like a bunch of stooges.


    Ex Shahid Afridi fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    Achakzai isn't my pal and I am not a fan of such opportunists.

    I have every respect for those who have died on the frontlines, but that does not mean that I will not criticise the policies of our armed forces, who retain a distinction between good (useful) terrorists and bad (not useful) terrorists. Our Army has not handled the situation well at all and it is better to accept this.
    You can criticize policies as much as you want but saying that "our army is not cleaning up any mess in FATA" is an irresponsible statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    This type of propaganda along with this Pashteen's claims that Army killed it's own children in APS attack raises plenty of doubts. Also, no focus on FATA-KPK merger and Achakzai's presence adds to suspicions as well.

    All these Pashteens and Achakzai's could very well be on some agenda here but i think average people do have genuine concerns as @DRsohail and @khanz141 mentioned so hopefully something positive comes out of this protest and people get more respect at check posts and FATA-KPK merger gets fasttracked.
    These Pashteens and Achakzais have exploited genuine concerns of local people to further their own agendas. Did he really said that army killed its own children in APS ? What a pathetic thing to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    This type of propaganda along with this Pashteen's claims that Army killed it's own children in APS attack raises plenty of doubts. Also, no focus on FATA-KPK merger and Achakzai's presence adds to suspicions as well.

    All these Pashteens and Achakzai's could very well be on some agenda here but i think average people do have genuine concerns as @DRsohail and @khanz141 mentioned so hopefully something positive comes out of this protest and people get more respect at check posts and FATA-KPK merger gets fasttracked.
    You are pointning to one fake picture but not mentioning thousands shown their presence with true pics of their abducted ones??

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    You are pointning to one fake picture but not mentioning thousands shown their presence with true pics of their abducted ones??
    There are genuine concerns no doubt but some of these leaders are just using it for their own agendas and i don't trust PTM leadership and pashteen. Pashteen keep coming with his claims one after another without any logic. Just last month he said 32,000 people from FATA are missing. He also raised fingers on Army indirectly blaming them for killing their own officers kids in APS and guess what his claim was based on a video made a by a person who is sitting in Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    There are genuine concerns no doubt but some of these leaders are just using it for their own agendas and i don't trust PTM leadership and pashteen. Pashteen keep coming with his claims one after another without any logic. Just last month he said 32,000 people from FATA are missing. He also raised fingers on Army indirectly blaming them for killing their own officers kids in APS and guess what his claim was based on a video made a by a person who is sitting in Afghanistan.
    More than 23k are missing bro .He has complete list..More than 5 k from swat and the list is the same in other districts.
    There is nothing political in this even ANP and pti leadrership did not show up.


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