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    India can't play a bilateral series with Pakistan in UAE, but can play Asia Cup

    First of all, it's not an obsession nor any begging.

    I am just raising a genuine question to all.

    Some years back i remember very clearly when PCB proposed to play series with India at UAE, but India rejected and some BCCI official stated Security reasons and some stated Bookies reason.

    But now they have no issue to participate in Asia Cup and also am sure GOI will allow to take part.

    Isn't BCCI showing dual nature here?

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    India do not want to play any bilaterals with Pakistan how hard is it to understand? Asia Cup, WC, CT are not bilaterals they are multi team tournaments where not playing would mean forfeiting the game which is why we play Pakistan in them.

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    Simple financial reasons really. If Pakistan hosts India in a bilateral, Pakistan stands to gain millions of dollars. India doesn't want that to happen.

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    It's same as what u guys did in 1990 Asia cup, I don't think it will be that difficult to understand for ur side as ur country first started this

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Simple financial reasons really. If Pakistan hosts India in a bilateral, Pakistan stands to gain millions of dollars. India doesn't want that to happen.
    Yet India would stand to make much more from the same series.

    The money argument does make sense to me at all. Pakistan vs. India bilateral would be a goldmine for BCCI! Plus it's not like lack of money is destroying the PCB!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagatk View Post
    India do not want to play any bilaterals with Pakistan how hard is it to understand? Asia Cup, WC, CT are not bilaterals they are multi team tournaments where not playing would mean forfeiting the game which is why we play Pakistan in them.
    Then why BCCI dont state this reason, or they are too SHY to say this? Or did BCCI tell you the reason which you are refererring???

    They have always mentioned 2 reasons, Security and Bookies regarding UAE as a venue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HARKS View Post
    It's same as what u guys did in 1990 Asia cup, I don't think it will be that difficult to understand for ur side as ur country first started this
    Asia cup is not going to be held in Pakistan, it's UAE. So it's not the same like 1990 Asia cup.

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    IIRC, this is the sequence of events

    BCCI hatches an evil plan with ECB and ACB to form a Big 3 and "rightfully" claim majority of ICC's revenues.
    PCB agrees to it conditionally provided India plays a few series against Pak.
    Based on this model, Pak was allocated by ICC somewhere between 95 and 100 million dollars over an 8 year cycle.
    BCCI signs an MOU for that purpose.
    Manohar becomes the ICC honcho and scraps the big 3. PCB is one of the strongest voices behind it and celebrates the victory for gaining 4 mil dollars every year through the new model.
    PCB realizes that the television rights they signed in 2015 for 150 mil are only worth 60 mil if India doesn't play at least two home series.
    PCB asks BCCI to honor MOU again that was signed in return for their support of Big 3. BCCI is surprised with the request considering the MOU doesn't matter as there is no Big 3 and Pakistan didn't support them.
    PCB realizes that the 30 million they stand to gain over 8 years is nothing compared to 90 million they will lose in the next 2 years if there is no India series
    PCB files a lawsuit claiming for damages to the tune of 70 mil despite being fully aware that MOUs are just worthless pieces of paper unless a contract is signed.
    BCCI decides to bleed Pak dry until at least 2020 (end of tv rights contract) so PCB stands to lose 90 mil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    Yet India would stand to make much more from the same series.

    The money argument does make sense to me at all. Pakistan vs. India bilateral would be a goldmine for BCCI! Plus it's not like lack of money is destroying the PCB!
    The host team in the bilaterals gets the money. PCBs TV rights of 150 mil have a clause that 60 percent of the money is subject to 2 ind vs Pak series

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermoine Green View Post
    First of all, it's not an obsession nor any begging.

    I am just raising a genuine question to all.

    Some years back i remember very clearly when PCB proposed to play series with India at UAE, but India rejected and some BCCI official stated Security reasons and some stated Bookies reason.

    But now they have no issue to participate in Asia Cup and also am sure GOI will allow to take part.

    Isn't BCCI showing dual nature here?
    Your question is a genuine one. BCCI made a decision not to play any games with the national team after the match-fixing scandal in the 1990s. UAE and Toronto were the immediate targets of that policy. This Asia Cup decision signals an end to that official stance. And does open up the possibiity of an Ind-Pak series in the UAE.

    This change in policy does not automatically mean that the series will happen, that requires further improvement in the relationship between the cricket boards and 2 governments.

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    Just one simple word: Hypocrisy.

    Either way, who cares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    IIRC, this is the sequence of events

    BCCI hatches an evil plan with ECB and ACB to form a Big 3 and "rightfully" claim majority of ICC's revenues.
    PCB agrees to it conditionally provided India plays a few series against Pak.
    Based on this model, Pak was allocated by ICC somewhere between 95 and 100 million dollars over an 8 year cycle.
    BCCI signs an MOU for that purpose.
    Manohar becomes the ICC honcho and scraps the big 3. PCB is one of the strongest voices behind it and celebrates the victory for gaining 4 mil dollars every year through the new model.
    PCB realizes that the television rights they signed in 2015 for 150 mil are only worth 60 mil if India doesn't play at least two home series.
    PCB asks BCCI to honor MOU again that was signed in return for their support of Big 3. BCCI is surprised with the request considering the MOU doesn't matter as there is no Big 3 and Pakistan didn't support them.
    PCB realizes that the 30 million they stand to gain over 8 years is nothing compared to 90 million they will lose in the next 2 years if there is no India series
    PCB files a lawsuit claiming for damages to the tune of 70 mil despite being fully aware that MOUs are just worthless pieces of paper unless a contract is signed.
    BCCI decides to bleed Pak dry until at least 2020 (end of tv rights contract) so PCB stands to lose 90 mil.
    Quote Originally Posted by OoparCut View Post
    Your question is a genuine one. BCCI made a decision not to play any games with the national team after the match-fixing scandal in the 1990s. UAE and Toronto were the immediate targets of that policy. This Asia Cup decision signals an end to that official stance. And does open up the possibiity of an Ind-Pak series in the UAE.

    This change in policy does not automatically mean that the series will happen, that requires further improvement in the relationship between the cricket boards and 2 governments.
    Fixing argument doesn't make sense considering BCCI played IPL there

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Fixing argument doesn't make sense considering BCCI played IPL there
    Big difference between national team and a franchise league. And that decision was taken by the BCCI because it was forced to move the games out - not by choice.

    And the reasons are what they are. Whether they make sense to you, or some other random person is not really relevant.

    Your "sequence of events" is quite high on speculation, and low on actual facts.
    Last edited by OoparCut; 10th April 2018 at 19:51.

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    Bcci?

    Its the Indian Govt which has said that there would be no bilateral series between India and Pakistan. The hosting place doesnot matter.

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    Those saying bcci will make money need to go through the threads on PP.

    Bcci will make 3.5bn usd from tv rights of ipl and international matches. Neither will they play pakistan nor will pakistanis play in ipl. So playing pakistan is of not any extra significance. Bcci will be paid on pro rata basis on any extra matches it plays beyond the 102 matches, it can be SA or Aus or NZ or Eng or SL or BD.

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    India will host the Asia Cup which will played in Dubai and Abu Dhabi from 13-28 September


    Meri Barbaadiyan Durust Magar...
    Too Bata Kya Tujhe Sawaab Mila...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OoparCut View Post
    Big difference between national team and a franchise league. And that decision was taken by the BCCI because it was forced to move the games out - not by choice.

    And the reasons are what they are. Whether they make sense to you, or some other random person is not really relevant.

    Your "sequence of events" is quite high on speculation, and low on actual facts.
    What are actual facts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Bcci?

    Its the Indian Govt which has said that there would be no bilateral series between India and Pakistan. The hosting place doesnot matter.
    You are missing the question.

    BCCI Officials raised points of Security (funny) as well as Bookies concern and hence ruled out series against Pakistan (Before even GOI decision). (You can read articles from your media about it)

    Question is, now India is hosting Asia Cup at UAE so security and bookies problems are automatically finished???? How so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UN talkz View Post
    India will host the Asia Cup which will played in Dubai and Abu Dhabi from 13-28 September
    Why should PCB honour BCCI and BCB for continuing to isolate them, who needs this pathetic ACC tourney.
    The best thing PCB should do is commit and pullout at the last moment. Mr. Sethi has yet not shown he is willing to manhandle BCCI. His meek steps has only emboldened BCCI to hurt Pakistan cricket more.
    Emerging Cup was one of the few Sethi achivements about to be derailed, looking to see what he does in the future. More of the same will yield more of their tactics from BCCI apart from their excuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Just one simple word: Hypocrisy.

    Either way, who cares?
    Judging from this thread, a lot of pakistanis care


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    There choice what they want.Welldone Najam Sethi for at least moving this asia cup out of india.

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    Again with these kind of threads. Give it a rest already. It's very simple. India can't see Pakistan succeed. That's the kind of mentality they have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRsohail View Post
    There choice what they want.Welldone Najam Sethi for at least moving this asia cup out of india.
    Please google news from DEc. 2017 and report from Vikrant Gupta. BCCI itself was'nt willing to host Asia Cup as Pakistan team would have to travel to India which is not Indian Govt. policy.

    BCCI hosting in Dubai might not be good news for Pakistan also given how much Pakistan depends to Emirates Cricket Board to stage their matches.

    Sethi has yet not taken a stand. Asia Cup is not important than Pakistan's interests. PCB should be looking ways to improve revenue and BCCI is roadblock which has'nt been dealt with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazim_Pak86 View Post
    Why should PCB honour BCCI and BCB for continuing to isolate them, who needs this pathetic ACC tourney.
    The best thing PCB should do is commit and pullout at the last moment. Mr. Sethi has yet not shown he is willing to manhandle BCCI. His meek steps has only emboldened BCCI to hurt Pakistan cricket more.
    Emerging Cup was one of the few Sethi achivements about to be derailed, looking to see what he does in the future. More of the same will yield more of their tactics from BCCI apart from their excuses.
    Commting and pulling out of multinational tournament will affect already deteriated relationship with other Asian boards to even worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermoine Green View Post
    You are missing the question.

    BCCI Officials raised points of Security (funny) as well as Bookies concern and hence ruled out series against Pakistan (Before even GOI decision). (You can read articles from your media about it)

    Question is, now India is hosting Asia Cup at UAE so security and bookies problems are automatically finished???? How so?
    BCCI made a judgement call to avoid questionable venues due to evidence of shady activity there in the past. It is well within its rights to review and update its policy. Why so salty? I suggest take a few pages from the MoU to wipe off your salty cheeks.

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    Iím confused too. Not sure what signals BCCI wants to give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    What are actual facts?
    There is a big difference between BCCI and Indian govt. BCCI babus would love to milk India-Pakistan bilateral series for all the extra $$ they can make. There's no "evil BCCI plan" targeting Pakistan. At a minimum, there definitely wasn't until PCB started harassing the BCCI with lawsuits and demanding its "home series" at the ICC and ACC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermoine Green View Post
    You are missing the question.

    BCCI Officials raised points of Security (funny) as well as Bookies concern and hence ruled out series against Pakistan (Before even GOI decision). (You can read articles from your media about it)

    Question is, now India is hosting Asia Cup at UAE so security and bookies problems are automatically finished???? How so?
    Bcci already hosted the ipl in uae in 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazim_Pak86 View Post
    Why should PCB honour BCCI and BCB for continuing to isolate them, who needs this pathetic ACC tourney.
    The best thing PCB should do is commit and pullout at the last moment. Mr. Sethi has yet not shown he is willing to manhandle BCCI. His meek steps has only emboldened BCCI to hurt Pakistan cricket more.
    Emerging Cup was one of the few Sethi achivements about to be derailed, looking to see what he does in the future. More of the same will yield more of their tactics from BCCI apart from their excuses.
    Pcb cant do much againist bcci.

    What will they do? Not play with india? Already they dont.

    Not give players noc for ipl? Already pak players dont play in ipl.

    What will they do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    I’m confused too. Not sure what signals BCCI wants to give.
    There is not that much confusion if you view the context and actions of the BCCI. They have acted consistently in self-interest. Deciding to move the Asia cup to UAE preserves a positive relationship with the other Asian boards. Pakistan tried to use the Asia Cup as a leverage to push BCCI to agree to a home series. But BCCI doesn't really need to host that tournament at home. So it made alternative arrangements.

    There is no difference in this decision, or the decision to avoid emotional "boycotts" of the Pakistan team in ICC tournaments. BCCI is not going to cut off its nose to spite its face, unlike other immature and ill-managed boards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazim_Pak86 View Post
    Please google news from DEc. 2017 and report from Vikrant Gupta. BCCI itself was'nt willing to host Asia Cup as Pakistan team would have to travel to India which is not Indian Govt. policy.

    BCCI hosting in Dubai might not be good news for Pakistan also given how much Pakistan depends to Emirates Cricket Board to stage their matches.

    Sethi has yet not taken a stand. Asia Cup is not important than Pakistan's interests. PCB should be looking ways to improve revenue and BCCI is roadblock which has'nt been dealt with.
    I am personally happy for it being hosted in UAE.

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    People are forgetting. Both for this Asia cup and IPL 2014, the Prince personally got involved to get the matches to UAE.

    Assurances from the crown prince regarding security do matter a lot. And India still wont play matches in Sharjah this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Pcb can do not much againist bcci.

    What will they do? Not play with india? Already they dont.

    Not give players noc for ipl? Already pak players dont play in ipl.

    What will they do?
    Give 'aggressive' statements that play well with the "awaam" at home, threaten lawsuits. Rinse, repeat.

    The only way for Pakistan to get the privilege and profits of hosting Indian cricket team, is if the Pakistani government improves relations with the Indian government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    People are forgetting. Both for this Asia cup and IPL 2014, the Prince personally got involved to get the matches to UAE.

    Assurances from the crown prince regarding security do matter a lot. And India still wont play matches in Sharjah this time.
    He is also the Commander of the Armed forces, although security is the matter of the police not of the army and AD (under his brother Saif) and Dubai (Under Dhahi Khalfan) police are one of the best in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OoparCut View Post
    There is not that much confusion if you view the context and actions of the BCCI. They have acted consistently in self-interest. Deciding to move the Asia cup to UAE preserves a positive relationship with the other Asian boards. Pakistan tried to use the Asia Cup as a leverage to push BCCI to agree to a home series. But BCCI doesn't really need to host that tournament at home. So it made alternative arrangements.

    There is no difference in this decision, or the decision to avoid emotional "boycotts" of the Pakistan team in ICC tournaments. BCCI is not going to cut off its nose to spite its face, unlike other immature and ill-managed boards.
    Yet Pakistan gets to co-host the Emerging Cup? Wasnít Pakistanís demand that they wont tour India unless they are allowed to host this cup? By this, Pakistan has got a sweet deal.
    UAE could have hosted the next Asia cup, whatís with the hurry to appease the crown prince?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BreadPakoda View Post
    Yet Pakistan gets to co-host the Emerging Asia Cup? Wasn’t Pakistan’s demand that they wont tour India unless they are allowed to host this cup? By this, Pakistan has got a sweet deal.
    UAE could have hosted the next Asia cup, what’s with the hurry to appease the crown prince?
    Pakistan already was scheduled to host the emerging tourney. Which btw is not a profit-making venture for boards, because it won't earn much tv or stadium revenue. Its more of an obligation for the member boards of the ACC. If anything, PCB was trying to push for Indian participation in the tournament hosted entirely in Pakistan. It failed to do so.

    And there's not need to appease anybody. Since PCB was being stubborn about participating in the Asia cup if India hosted, BCCI agreed to host it elsewhere. Its a smart move, so that the BCCI's relationship with the other Asian boards doesn't get negatively impacted. And they can easily afford it, they aren't desperate for hosting revenue.

    Whether the alternate venue is SL, BD or UAE, doesn't make too much difference to the BCCI either. If anything, they did the UAE cricket board a favor by accepting the request and changing their policy about avoiding UAE. Favors never go waste. That's a bargaining chip that will be handy down the road.

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    @DRsohail

    Sorry .
    not a good step, empty seats are one reason and if PCB wants to shift more cricket to Pakistan. PSL and WI tour has shown how much revenue it can generate

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Bcci already hosted the ipl in uae in 2014.
    Thanks for answering an apple with orange I should have known that you don't have suitable answer for this question and you will go round and round and will dodge the straight forward question. Anyways still your time is appreciated because you are a knowledgeable poster whom posts i enjoy reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermoine Green View Post
    First of all, it's not an obsession nor any begging.

    I am just raising a genuine question to all.

    Some years back i remember very clearly when PCB proposed to play series with India at UAE, but India rejected and some BCCI official stated Security reasons and some stated Bookies reason.

    But now they have no issue to participate in Asia Cup and also am sure GOI will allow to take part.

    Isn't BCCI showing dual nature here?
    Indian govt. has been consistent with not allowing a bilateral series against Pakistan. Asia Cup is not a bilateral series.

    What double standards are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    People are forgetting. Both for this Asia cup and IPL 2014, the Prince personally got involved to get the matches to UAE.

    Assurances from the crown prince regarding security do matter a lot. And India still wont play matches in Sharjah this time.
    There are no security issues in UAE and no threats to Indian team or national in UAE.

    So security is irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UN talkz View Post
    India will host the Asia Cup which will played in Dubai and Abu Dhabi from 13-28 September
    State of two nations, would not play each other in their respective country but would play on a neutral venue.

    Nothing wrong in playing with India in Inda. India is capable to host games.

    Ignorance of both nation is sad and amusing at the same time.

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    As long as the BhejaFry Party is in power in India, these guys will keep blocking any bilateral series. The whole chaiwalah votebank rides on anti-pak jingoism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    State of two nations, would not play each other in their respective country but would play on a neutral venue.

    Nothing wrong in playing with India in Inda. India is capable to host games.

    Ignorance of both nation is sad and amusing at the same time.
    Please don't equalize Pakistan down to India's level. Pakistan never refused playing India anywhere which I feel is wrong policy. Given the current situaiton should'nt play on neutral venue also.

    If India is capable to host games then why the Indian Govt. refuse to give NOC for hosting a tournament for which Pakistan team woud have to tour in. It answers the question itself. Sri Lankans were'nt able to play in State of Tamil Nadu due to local issues. BCCI had to shift matches from there.

    Ignorance and all other deeds listed by you come from India, Pakistan unfortunately has never had a stance on this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazim_Pak86 View Post
    Please don't equalize Pakistan down to India's level. Pakistan never refused playing India anywhere which I feel is wrong policy. Given the current situaiton should'nt play on neutral venue also.

    If India is capable to host games then why the Indian Govt. refuse to give NOC for hosting a tournament for which Pakistan team woud have to tour in. It answers the question itself. Sri Lankans were'nt able to play in State of Tamil Nadu due to local issues. BCCI had to shift matches from there.

    Ignorance and all other deeds listed by you come from India, Pakistan unfortunately has never had a stance on this issue.
    I am not naive.

    No Indian team is visiting Pakistan for a long time.

    PCB handling of this issue had been unprofessional prior to Najam Sethi.

    Indian team refusal to play with Pakistan is because, Government of India, it is a soft target and it generate votes because it gives an illusion that government of India is doing something against Pakistan.

    Then there is Indian media.

    I believe most Indian would like to see Pak vs Ind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    I do not think anyone can prevent anyone from approaching a player with a proposal. And UAE officials and ICC can't do much unless an approached player approach the officials.

    Other than that, security risk to Indian players does not exist in UAE.

    Regardless where the matches are being played, it will be fun to watch Ind vs Pak.
    This exactly approaching was what was stopped by uae authorities in 2014. Security accompanied players wherever they went. The hotels had full security coverage. Lots of other stuff. You can google it from 2014.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    This exactly approaching was what was stopped by uae authorities in 2014. Security accompanied players wherever they went. The hotels had full security coverage. Lots of other stuff. You can google it from 2014.
    Interesting.

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    Pakistan should withdraw from any matches with India including world cup games. Hit them where it hurts. No more profiteering from us when it suits them until they change their stance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    Pakistan should withdraw from any matches with India including world cup games. Hit them where it hurts. No more profiteering from us when it suits them until they change their stance.
    How exactly will not playing Pakistani rockstars hurt India?

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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post

    I believe most Indian would like to see Pak vs Ind.

    Agree with you minus your 2nd and last point, your social media trolls are more or less representative of indian opinion. I believe most in India and Pakistan don't want to see Pak v Ind which is right. There are too many issues connected with it.

    A lot of teams have visited that excuse does'nt fit well anymore and speaks of your bias only.
    One of it you listed also your corporate-owned media that needs to divert from petrol prices and other issues. India feels like North Korea as there is no news but good news on its internet news websites.

    I personally am against this tie as it has its ramifications on broad range of communities for example KAshmiri students studying in Indian Universities. As a concerned Indian you should also care for the communities living in your country instead of a sports game with a foreign country.
    Last edited by Kazim_Pak86; 10th April 2018 at 21:45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    How exactly will not playing Pakistani rockstars hurt India?
    Streak will not extend

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    Pakistan should withdraw from any matches with India including world cup games. Hit them where it hurts. No more profiteering from us when it suits them until they change their stance.
    Lol. Are you following any news on PP?

    BCCI tv rights sold forv $3.5bn and it has nothing to do with Pakistan.

    Lol at profiteering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WengerOut View Post
    Streak will not extend
    My bad, I guess he had a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazim_Pak86 View Post
    @DRsohail

    Sorry .
    not a good step, empty seats are one reason and if PCB wants to shift more cricket to Pakistan. PSL and WI tour has shown how much revenue it can generate
    What empty stadiums? IPL had full crowds in UAE. Im sure the crowds will be bigger for Indian games

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    Pakistan should withdraw from any matches with India including world cup games. Hit them where it hurts. No more profiteering from us when it suits them until they change their stance.
    This will in no way hurt BCCI. The WC's, CT are run by the ICC. The ICC gets all the revenues. Portion of these revenues are distributed to all boards. So if revenues are lower, everyone (PCB included) get less money. So the PCB will be hurting themselves.

    I am not sure about the revenue distribution of Asia cup though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    Pakistan should withdraw from any matches with India including world cup games. Hit them where it hurts. No more profiteering from us when it suits them until they change their stance.
    They can't as long as they are taking a handout of 128 mil for 8 years from ICC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    Again with these kind of threads. Give it a rest already. It's very simple. India can't see Pakistan succeed. That's the kind of mentality they have.
    Not sure what the BCCI/India have to do with PCB/Pakistan success. Why is the PCB dependent on BCCI? Why is it not dependent on the Pakistan fans?

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    To the OP - it's all topi drama.

    The National Team played vs Pakistan in 2006 in UAE.
    The U-19 Team played the Asia Cup in 2014 in UAE.
    The U-19 Team played the World Cup in 2014 in UAE.
    The IPL was played in 2014 in UAE.
    Indian Players participated in the MCL in 2016 in UAE.

    No point in asking. Replies will consist of one of the following on why they haven't played vs Pakistan in the UAE like every other nation:

    1) Don't believe that India vs Pakistan should be played at neutral venues
    2) Bookies in UAE
    3) Still haven't heard back from GOI
    4) Border Tensions

    I'm sure I've missed others. Just not worth it. Everybody knows what's going on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USofA View Post
    Not sure what the BCCI/India have to do with PCB/Pakistan success. Why is the PCB dependent on BCCI? Why is it not dependent on the Pakistan fans?
    idk maybe because there is no international cricket in Pakistan. Maybe one would think India would keep politics and sports separate instead of this kind of behavior. I'm pretty sure PCB said they lost ton of money because BCCI refused to deliver on their promise. BCCI's intentions are clear regardless of PCB's dependency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    idk maybe because there is no international cricket in Pakistan. Maybe one would think India would keep politics and sports separate instead of this kind of behavior. I'm pretty sure PCB said they lost ton of money because BCCI refused to deliver on their promise. BCCI's intentions are clear regardless of PCB's dependency.
    Gate revenues are a miniscule compared to TV and digital revenues. PCB should be maximizing revenues by selling this to Pakistani fans. This is what will get them on a path to self sufficiency and away from depending on other boards.

    The GOI/BCCI stance has been very clear for what 4-5 years now. Yet the PCB is still not self reliant. What have they been doing? Granted the PSL is a good start. But more needs to be done.

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    Their country, their choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    idk maybe because there is no international cricket in Pakistan. Maybe one would think India would keep politics and sports separate instead of this kind of behavior. I'm pretty sure PCB said they lost ton of money because BCCI refused to deliver on their promise. BCCI's intentions are clear regardless of PCB's dependency.
    Does Pakistan keep trade and business separate from politics? Does Pakistan give Indian companies access to its markets or transit passage to Afghanistan or other countries? Sports is just like business. It takes mutual co-operation for things to go smoothly. Hosting Indian cricket team is a privilege, and one that is not freely given away to countries that are openly hostile to India.

    Does Pakistan keep justice and rule of law away from politics? Murderers of Indian civilians are walking around freely in Pakistan. In spite of UN and interpol sanctions. And you want Indian money for your cricket board. If Pak government fixes its policies, things will get better across the board. Until then, keep waiting for "bilateral" series.

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    Why are we acting like crybaby minnows?

    Please, stop this kind of embarrassing threads. Even if they have decided to go ahead with this series, it's in OUR interest.

    Bcci gains nothing significant from this, they're a super rich board playing with billions without us already.

    They don't need us. We need them and the finances, and the money. We need to build our cricket, infrastructure and friends/diplomacy.

    They're going ahead with the UAE. GOOD FOR US.

    Embarrassing threads really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Why are we acting like crybaby minnows?

    Please, stop this kind of embarrassing threads. Even if they have decided to go ahead with this series, it's in OUR interest.

    Bcci gains nothing significant from this, they're a super rich board playing with billions without us already.

    They don't need us. We need them and the finances, and the money. We need to build our cricket, infrastructure and friends/diplomacy.

    They're going ahead with the UAE. GOOD FOR US.

    Embarrassing threads really.
    We seem to be doing just fine performance and finances wise without playing India. The only thing embarrassing about this thread is your post in it.

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    Genuine fans from both sides missing out on super games thatís a crying shame.. I grew up watching loads of these games but my teenage kids are not interested simply because they havenít seen any bilateral happen & unlikely to happen in the near future

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    Yet India would stand to make much more from the same series.

    The money argument does make sense to me at all. Pakistan vs. India bilateral would be a goldmine for BCCI! Plus it's not like lack of money is destroying the PCB!
    BCCI can afford to lose money off PCB series. BCCI will make around $4.5B in revenue in next 5 years from IPL/home games, ICC, and various other sponsors. Thats more than twice what ICC will make.

    On the other hand, PCB revenue(60% off TV deal) relies on Indian tour, which is why PCB comes across desperate at times. When and If PCB starts to make income from their own market, they will too afford to lose income from India series, until that happens this MoU saga will continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    We seem to be doing just fine performance and finances wise without playing India. The only thing embarrassing about this thread is your post in it.
    100%.

    PCB does not need finances or series from BCCI, we still thrashed the pants off the richest board/team in cricket, proving money is not everything.

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    @Hawkeye



    Pakistan has plenty of infrastructure and friends/diplomacy please try google and read. We never needed India in 1962-1978 nor in 2009 till now nor we would need them in the future.

    Waste comment, hope Pakistan pulls out of Asia Cup at the last moment would be fantastic and great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    100%.

    PCB does not need finances or series from BCCI, we still thrashed the pants off the richest board/team in cricket, proving money is not everything.
    Well that was a fluke

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirpur express View Post
    Genuine fans from both sides missing out on super games that’s a crying shame.. I grew up watching loads of these games but my teenage kids are not interested simply because they haven’t seen any bilateral happen & unlikely to happen in the near future
    Most Indian fans have moved on from it. Tbh, as an Indian fan i personally like seeing India-Australia contest much more. Plus not playing regularly also makes WC/ICC encounter much more intense.

    If you see Team India calendar, they hardly have any breaks in between tours. We Indian fans been fed enough by BCCI with lot of games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazim_Pak86 View Post
    @Hawkeye



    Pakistan has plenty of infrastructure and friends/diplomacy please try google and read. We never needed India in 1962-1978 nor in 2009 till now nor we would need them in the future.

    Waste comment, hope Pakistan pulls out of Asia Cup at the last moment would be fantastic and great.
    Wouldn't that mean less money for PCB? Less overall revenue would mean less to be distributed among the boards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3verse Swing View Post
    100%.

    PCB does not need finances or series from BCCI, we still thrashed the pants off the richest board/team in cricket, proving money is not everything.
    Yes and No.

    Yes, you thrashed the pants off the richest board in CT
    No, PCB is not financially secure without BCCI. They make 40 to 50 mil a year and spend 40 to 45 mil. So there's not much money coming in unless there is an India series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazim_Pak86 View Post
    Please don't equalize Pakistan down to India's level. Pakistan never refused playing India anywhere which I feel is wrong policy. Given the current situaiton should'nt play on neutral venue also.

    If India is capable to host games then why the Indian Govt. refuse to give NOC for hosting a tournament for which Pakistan team woud have to tour in. It answers the question itself. Sri Lankans were'nt able to play in State of Tamil Nadu due to local issues. BCCI had to shift matches from there.

    Ignorance and all other deeds listed by you come from India, Pakistan unfortunately has never had a stance on this issue.
    Simple Google will tell you that Pakistan indeed refused/boycott to play India. They are main culprits who started this boycott thing in cricket. They did in 90s when they were financially strong and had champion team. Now, tables have turned....

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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    I am not naive.

    No Indian team is visiting Pakistan for a long time.

    PCB handling of this issue had been unprofessional prior to Najam Sethi.

    Indian team refusal to play with Pakistan is because, Government of India, it is a soft target and it generate votes because it gives an illusion that government of India is doing something against Pakistan.

    Then there is Indian media.

    I believe most Indian would like to see Pak vs Ind.
    I believe you’re wrong there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Why are we acting like crybaby minnows?

    Please, stop this kind of embarrassing threads. Even if they have decided to go ahead with this series, it's in OUR interest.

    Bcci gains nothing significant from this, they're a super rich board playing with billions without us already.

    They don't need us. We need them and the finances, and the money. We need to build our cricket, infrastructure and friends/diplomacy.

    They're going ahead with the UAE. GOOD FOR US.

    Embarrassing threads really.
    Realistic and sensible post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    Simple Google will tell you that Pakistan indeed refused/boycott to play India. They are main culprits who started this boycott thing in cricket. They did in 90s when they were financially strong and had champion team. Now, tables have turned....
    Really, did Pakistan boycott 1991 odi series in Bombay, India where local political outfit Shiv Sena dug the pitch of Wakhede Stadium 2 days before the odi series. India was in political turmoil at that time and BCCI cancelled and scrapped the series themselves and its available online you can google. Pakistan played more cricket in India than India played any cricket in Pakistan in the 90s. India came for 3 odis in 1997 whereas Pakistan took part in Independence Cup 1997, Bilateral series 1999 [came under security threarts a tour india did'nt deserve the way they treated Pakistan later], came to Bangalore to play WC 96 quarterfinal. Scindia was part of the BCCI at that time he had planned a complete series with Pakistan which was never materialised still Pakistan toured.

    India has deep political issues most of the time since 90s and its not limited to Pakistan, even Sri Lankan cricketers can't play in Chennai. Rofl on your comment tables have turned.

    The MRF Pace Academy made in last century helped India give Jaspreet Bumrah and Bhuvi, hehe all the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhony View Post
    Yes and No.

    Yes, you thrashed the pants off the richest board in CT
    No, PCB is not financially secure without BCCI. They make 40 to 50 mil a year and spend 40 to 45 mil. So there's not much money coming in unless there is an India series.
    There's no denying that PCB is missing out on revenue, but I rather have players play for the love of their country and not money.

    I think the CT17 tournament proved to me certainly, that playing for the love of your country is a level above playing for money.

    40M to 50M might be chump change, but with money, it always comes down to price vs value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazim_Pak86 View Post
    Really, did Pakistan boycott 1991 odi series in Bombay, India where local political outfit Shiv Sena dug the pitch of Wakhede Stadium 2 days before the odi series. India was in political turmoil at that time and BCCI cancelled and scrapped the series themselves and its available online you can google. Pakistan played more cricket in India than India played any cricket in Pakistan in the 90s. India came for 3 odis in 1997 whereas Pakistan took part in Independence Cup 1997, Bilateral series 1999 [came under security threarts a tour india did'nt deserve the way they treated Pakistan later], came to Bangalore to play WC 96 quarterfinal. Scindia was part of the BCCI at that time he had planned a complete series with Pakistan which was never materialised still Pakistan toured.

    India has deep political issues most of the time since 90s and its not limited to Pakistan, even Sri Lankan cricketers can't play in Chennai. Rofl on your comment tables have turned.

    The MRF Pace Academy made in last century helped India give Jaspreet Bumrah and Bhuvi, hehe all the best.
    What has MRF pace academy got anything to do with this thread

    Lastly, i simply said PCB started boycott thing which is fact. Now, BCCI is boycotting PCB which is also a fact.

    And yes tables have indeed turned. Kohli alone makes more money than entire Pakistan team, that sums up the riches of Indian team/BCCI. You wont see BCCI chasing PCB for series, its the other way around.

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    Bottom line is this, BCCI do not have the balls to call off play with PCB.

    It was PCB that had concerns with Pakistan players in India (rightly so, players security come first) - last thing we want is Pakistan players being attacked by Shiv Sena/RSS supporters in a Hindutva government. Recall 2011 antics!

    BCCI then entertained the concern and switched venues. Why? Why could BCCI not say, NO! Tough luck PCB we are playing in India?

    This is a win for PCB, because PCB know how to arm twist a board that doesn't have the sand to say no to PCB even in ICC tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianG00se View Post
    What has MRF pace academy got anything to do with this thread

    Lastly, i simply said PCB started boycott thing which is fact. Now, BCCI is boycotting PCB which is also a fact.

    And yes tables have indeed turned. Kohli alone makes more money than entire Pakistan team, that sums up the riches of Indian team/BCCI. You wont see BCCI chasing PCB for series, its the other way around.
    If BCCI is'nt chasing PCB than why they changed venue for ICC Wt20 2015? Why did they allow Pakistani team on their soil?

    Reality is bitter, India after spending millions should have a bank of bowlers. Money is'nt everything and your country is a shining example of it. There is something else needed apart from money and facilities.

    Where did the PCB boycott BCCI under Dalmiya in 90s, it is a very foolish comment by you and the biggest joke. Without stating proof you are just shooting farce. Whenever Pakistan toured India in 90s, BCCI earned from it and exploit it. Even though BCCI never sent Indian team regularly. India played a test match in Pakistan in 2004 after 15 years, shameful stats point to the obvious how BCCI used and abused PCB even in that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazim_Pak86 View Post
    Agree with you minus your 2nd and last point, your social media trolls are more or less representative of indian opinion. I believe most in India and Pakistan don't want to see Pak v Ind which is right. There are too many issues connected with it.

    A lot of teams have visited that excuse does'nt fit well anymore and speaks of your bias only.
    One of it you listed also your corporate-owned media that needs to divert from petrol prices and other issues. India feels like North Korea as there is no news but good news on its internet news websites.

    I personally am against this tie as it has its ramifications on broad range of communities for example KAshmiri students studying in Indian Universities. As a concerned Indian you should also care for the communities living in your country instead of a sports game with a foreign country.
    I am a Pakistani.

    And most Indian would want to see series between Pak and Ind.


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