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    Mir Hamza's first-class stats are insane! 258 wickets with an average of 18.2, strike rate of 39.3

    He has played 52 FC matches. 258 wickets. Average of 18.22 and Strike rate 39.3.

    I have not seen such domestic performance by a Pakistani bowler in a long time. Even Asif and Amir were not this brilliant domestically, even at their peak. Why have Pakistani selectors remain hesitant to give him a chance?
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    Even if they do not like him for any reasons , such stats deserve at least 3 - 5 Test Matches.

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    I hope he is at least given a chance against Ireland and maybe in the warm-up matches against the counties too and then judged based on his performance in these.

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    He can be useful in England.

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    I guess you're not aware about the existance of Sadaf Hussain, guy has way better FC+LA stats than any other Pakistani bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordfish234 View Post
    He has played 52 FC matches. 258 wickets. Average of 18.22 and Strike rate 39.3.

    I have not seen such domestic performance by a Pakistani bowler in a long time. Even Asif and Amir were not this brilliant domestically, even at their peak. Why have Pakistani selectors remain hesitant to give him a chance?
    Not quite true. If you only consider FC matches and not Test matches, Amir still averages 15.53 with 111 wickets at a strike rate of 32.

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    Mir Hamza is the new Sadaf Hussain I guess.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    Mir Hamza is the new Sadaf Hussain I guess.......
    Absolutely; but atleast he plays in PSL.
    Sadaf is nowhere; no one even bothers to speak about him


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    Unfortunately Pakistan has been using a substandard cricket ball (Dukes) and pitches, so you can't gather much from these stats until he's exposed to flatter wickets.

    Bowling in UAE and bowling on Pakistani green minefields are contrasting bowling environments as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backfootpunch View Post
    Unfortunately Pakistan has been using a substandard cricket ball (Dukes) and pitches, so you can't gather much from these stats until he's exposed to flatter wickets.

    Bowling in UAE and bowling on Pakistani green minefields are contrasting bowling environments as well.
    There is nothing substandard about the Dukes ball, it's the Grays ball that was used in previous years that was of poor quality. Pitches however, are of course still terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UN talkz View Post
    Absolutely; but atleast he plays in PSL.
    Sadaf is nowhere; no one even bothers to speak about him
    And he was pretty average during PSL.
    nothing special.

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    Yes thanks for clarifying - I meant to say Grays ball

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    Quote Originally Posted by backfootpunch View Post
    Unfortunately Pakistan has been using a substandard cricket ball (Dukes) and pitches, so you can't gather much from these stats until he's exposed to flatter wickets.

    Bowling in UAE and bowling on Pakistani green minefields are contrasting bowling environments as well.
    Yes I considered that, but I am comparing his domestic performance with domestic performance of other bowlers in the same conditions. Take Abbas, for example. He did superb in West Indies, based off of his domestic stats in Pakistan which are good. So there is definitely a correspondence between domestic performance in Pakistan and overseas performance. UAE test wickets, on the other hand is a totally different matter. Those wickets are a graveyard for fast bowlers. No fast bowler suceed there. I was talking for Hamza more in the context of Englanf/Ireland tour, where he should be given a chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordfish234 View Post
    Yes I considered that, but I am comparing his domestic performance with domestic performance of other bowlers in the same conditions. Take Abbas, for example. He did superb in West Indies, based off of his domestic stats in Pakistan which are good. So there is definitely a correspondence between domestic performance in Pakistan and overseas performance. UAE test wickets, on the other hand is a totally different matter. Those wickets are a graveyard for fast bowlers. No fast bowler suceed there. I was talking for Hamza more in the context of Englanf/Ireland tour, where he should be given a chance
    Performing in WI doesn't cut it because like in England they use the Duke ball which suits Pakistan's swing and seam type bowlers. Also, remember Amir performed there as well, but as soon as he's given the kookaburra (since his return from the ban) he's been very mediocre. In addition the WI batting line up isn't the best.

    Mir Hamaz isn't as good as Amir and a lot slower so I very much doubt he would succeed bowling with the kookaburra, also like him he's not blessed with great height to survive bowling at that pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backfootpunch View Post
    Performing in WI doesn't cut it because like in England they use the Duke ball which suits Pakistan's swing and seam type bowlers. Also, remember Amir performed there as well, but as soon as he's given the kookaburra (since his return from the ban) he's been very mediocre. In addition the WI batting line up isn't the best.

    Mir Hamaz isn't as good as Amir and a lot slower so I very much doubt he would succeed bowling with the kookaburra, also like him he's not blessed with great height to survive bowling at that pace.
    Mir Hamza is only an inch shorter than Wasim so he has adequate fast bowler height I believe.

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    It'd cool to have him play some tests. I'm all for it if he has a decent record.

    I think in the modern era a lot of fast bowlers have a choice, either play LOI or play tests. Doing both is tough. Amir's already going to cut down on tests. Hasan I feel will do the same, he's had injury problems of late.

    I wouldn't mind him playing over Amir. Amir's been lacklustre in tests of late, and what's the point if he's only going to play the odd test series or two.

    Feel we're starting to get a problem, where if you're good enough as a pacer you play LOI. If you're not, then you settle for tests. LOI gives more money, good prospects for domestic leagues, world cups participation, less injuries and arguably more fame (as people in Pakistan care more about LOI these days).

    These guys like Sadaf, Hamza (and recently Abbas) might be the way, guys who dominate first class cricket, who don't really seem like prospects for LOI cricket (at least currently). They'll give 100% in test cricket, and know how to manage themselves over 5 days without breaking down, and don't completely rely on their pace to be effective (Riaz was an example of this). Think the days of tearway fast bowlers in tests are gone. Even now, a lot of teams only have one really fast bowler, and often to allow them to play they have to sacrifice LOI games. In asia even worse conditions for fast bowlers as they'll get run into the ground on those pitches.

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    Please don;t bring Sadaf in every discussion, has heard enough of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    Mir Hamza is only an inch shorter than Wasim so he has adequate fast bowler height I believe.
    It's above average for Pakistan but if he's bowling at 130 then I would want someone who is at least 6"4 like M.Asif, Hazlewood and the great Glenn Mcgrath who can all afford to operate at this pace when they were bowling at their slowest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by backfootpunch View Post
    It's above average for Pakistan but if he's bowling at 130 then I would want someone who is at least 6"4 like M.Asif, Hazlewood and the great Glenn Mcgrath who can all afford to operate at this pace when they were bowling at their slowest.
    He is 6.2 or 6.3 atleast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakistani pride View Post
    And he was pretty average during PSL.
    nothing special.
    Some players are only suited to a particular format He should be tried in the longer format.


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    Quote Originally Posted by backfootpunch View Post
    It's above average for Pakistan but if he's bowling at 130 then I would want someone who is at least 6"4 like M.Asif, Hazlewood and the great Glenn Mcgrath who can all afford to operate at this pace when they were bowling at their slowest.
    Sadaf hussain is 6" 5

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    Hammad Azam averages 21 with the ball in FC - now that should tell you all you need to know about the reliability of bowling stats in Pakistan. Too many other factors at play.

    Considering our history of producing top quality pacers you can rest assured the eye is more important than the numbers, Mir Hamza would no doubt be toothless at international level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ads101 View Post
    It'd cool to have him play some tests. I'm all for it if he has a decent record.

    I think in the modern era a lot of fast bowlers have a choice, either play LOI or play tests. Doing both is tough. Amir's already going to cut down on tests. Hasan I feel will do the same, he's had injury problems of late.

    I wouldn't mind him playing over Amir. Amir's been lacklustre in tests of late, and what's the point if he's only going to play the odd test series or two.

    Feel we're starting to get a problem, where if you're good enough as a pacer you play LOI. If you're not, then you settle for tests. LOI gives more money, good prospects for domestic leagues, world cups participation, less injuries and arguably more fame (as people in Pakistan care more about LOI these days).

    These guys like Sadaf, Hamza (and recently Abbas) might be the way, guys who dominate first class cricket, who don't really seem like prospects for LOI cricket (at least currently). They'll give 100% in test cricket, and know how to manage themselves over 5 days without breaking down, and don't completely rely on their pace to be effective (Riaz was an example of this). Think the days of tearway fast bowlers in tests are gone. Even now, a lot of teams only have one really fast bowler, and often to allow them to play they have to sacrifice LOI games. In asia even worse conditions for fast bowlers as they'll get run into the ground on those pitches.
    good post. Agree that Amir and Hasan should not play Tests. Instead bowlers like Abbas, Sadaf, Hamza should be selected in Tests.

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    Don't take these statistics seriously

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    Which ball is England going to use for the series?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mozi2003 View Post
    Which ball is England going to use for the series?
    Its always the duke in English test cricket

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    Quote Originally Posted by b.lesner View Post
    Sadaf hussain is 6" 5
    It's an absolute travesty why he hasn't had a go. This test line up lacks a tall bowler who can achieve steep bounce.

    Amir, Hasan Ali and Abbas are just not tall enough or able to bowl 145 clicks in tests. The emphasis of pace here is because Pakistan plays their home games currently on the most deadest of wickets in the desert, so express pace is fundamental in order to take the pitch out of the equation. Unfortunately spray gun Wahab isn't the solution and it was music in my ears when Mickey frankly mentioned he hasn't won a test for the side in 2 years.

    I'm aware Amir and Hasan Ali can crank it up in ODIs when they're steaming in around the 145 mark but maintaining pace in ODIs is not the same when you're bowling longer spells and staying on the field in the heat for 90 overs each day.

    If they're short like Hasan Ali and Amir particularly they need to be hitting 140+ consistently and be able to hit 145 in short, sharp spells. But from what I've seen from Amir in UAE he's bowling 130-135 with a kookaburra ball and this isn't going to get him far at all in tests. Hasan Ali was at the low to mid 130s against SL last year but I feel he has the bowling intelligence, intensity and skills to possibly become one of the few Pakistanis to reach the 200+ wicket club.

    If bowlers don't have pace then another means of taking the pitch out of the equation would be via the use of taller bowlers and this is where Pakistan needs a Sadaf and Shaheen etc type bowler in this attack. Shaheen is one bowler (if he fulfils his potential) that could dominate in all conditions as he has all the ingredients since he is blessed with both height and pace.

    As Amir wants to play less tests, the ideal scenario would be in the next 1-2 years to have a pace attack consisting of Shaheen, Hasan Ali and Sadaf in UAE - assuming if Pakistan continues with 3 seamers at home like they did against SL. This would allow Amir to play more away from home where bowling conditions are more swing and seam friendly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by backfootpunch View Post
    It's an absolute travesty why he hasn't had a go. This test line up lacks a tall bowler who can achieve steep bounce.

    Amir, Hasan Ali and Abbas are just not tall enough or able to bowl 145 clicks in tests. The emphasis of pace here is because Pakistan plays their home games currently on the most deadest of wickets in the desert, so express pace is fundamental in order to take the pitch out of the equation. Unfortunately spray gun Wahab isn't the solution and it was music in my ears when Mickey frankly mentioned he hasn't won a test for the side in 2 years.

    I'm aware Amir and Hasan Ali can crank it up in ODIs when they're steaming in around the 145 mark but maintaining pace in ODIs is not the same when you're bowling longer spells and staying on the field in the heat for 90 overs each day.

    If they're short like Hasan Ali and Amir particularly they need to be hitting 140+ consistently and be able to hit 145 in short, sharp spells. But from what I've seen from Amir in UAE he's bowling 130-135 with a kookaburra ball and this isn't going to get him far at all in tests. Hasan Ali was at the low to mid 130s against SL last year but I feel he has the bowling intelligence, intensity and skills to possibly become one of the few Pakistanis to reach the 200+ wicket club.

    If bowlers don't have pace then another means of taking the pitch out of the equation would be via the use of taller bowlers and this is where Pakistan needs a Sadaf and Shaheen etc type bowler in this attack. Shaheen is one bowler (if he fulfils his potential) that could dominate in all conditions as he has all the ingredients since he is blessed with both height and pace.

    As Amir wants to play less tests, the ideal scenario would be in the next 1-2 years to have a pace attack consisting of Shaheen, Hasan Ali and Sadaf in UAE - assuming if Pakistan continues with 3 seamers at home like they did against SL. This would allow Amir to play more away from home where bowling conditions are more swing and seam friendly.
    I have lost hope in Sadaf getting selected , im praying to god that somehow he gets pakistan cap

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    Should get a chance , tall and swing it both ways with a decent 130-133kph pace.

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    In favourable conditions he could do damage. But on flat pitches he may struggle.

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    The guy is made for the test format. Do not know why people keep judging him after a few limited overs game.


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    Debut Mir Hamza, Sadaf Hussain, and Waqas Ahmed!!!

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    Goes to show how domestic stats can be misleading.

    Poor bowler.

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    Trundler of highest level. Comparable to Indian trundlers. I can't believe they picked him instead of wahab.

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    Unfairly dropped from the test squad. With the record like that, he deserves a couple of tests.

    Perhaps didn't impress much at the training camp. If anything now, he needs to go back and work on his pace, needs to be operating around the 140 mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Please don;t bring Sadaf in every discussion, has heard enough of him.
    You are welcome not to read the posts I presume.

    We should never stop questioning injustice. Or plain stupidity.

    Rahat Ali, for the 21st time, with a Test average of 37, but never Sadaf?

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    Yea seems like mickey was not really impressed with him

    We all know how much Mickey loves a bit of pace in a bowler. Abbas is probably the only one in the current squad who doesn't consistently bowl above 137 kph.


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    If he is given a chance based on domestic numbers, so should Sadaf Hussain.

    But in domestic white ball formats, he has looked pretty average with no seam or swing or pace to me.

    But if Rahat can be picked, so should Sadaf and Mir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince of Pakistan View Post
    Yea seems like mickey was not really impressed with him

    We all know how much Mickey loves a bit of pace in a bowler. Abbas is probably the only one in the current squad who doesn't consistently bowl above 137 kph.
    Neither does Rahat. Even Hasan Ali bowled in low 130s in the 2 Tests he has played.
    Rahat's average pace was 131kph in 2016 England series.

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    He was unlucky not to make the squad as he is suited to English conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakSarZameen View Post
    Don't take these statistics seriously
    Alright lets just scrap the FC altogether and send everyone packing because what's the point right? Ridiculous logic!

    The fact that Amir is going to England despite averaging 37 in 16 tests since his return is laughable whereas Abbas has outperformed Amir who was selected based on his FC excellence.

    So FC does have major significance. Performers in domestic will usually perform at international level, it is a proven fact over and over again!

    Sadaf Hussain and Mir Hamza are the two most deserving for selection yet both got ignored in favor of toothless Amir and abysmal Rahat!

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