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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Pakistan cricket doesn't like the truth or facts.

    Sooner or later Mickey will upset someone and pay the consequences.
    Always ends up that way.
    I hope, for the sake of our cricket, it doesn't happen. Mickey seems to have good chemistry with the management and players and someone who doesn't sugarcoat. Top man for the job, specially for Pakistan.

  2. #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rayyman View Post
    Good stuff from Mickey. Question is, why doesn't he do the same for Hafeez and Malik?
    Malik, practically as a matter of fact, trains extremely well by all accounts and is one of the fittest athletes to have represented Pakistan from the start of his career, so not sure why you'd think he should be guilty of the same metric...

  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post

    For eight years posters here have demanded our coaches and captains publicly hold the senior players accountable. Now Mickey Arthur has done that and yet we're still complaining ?
    I am not complaining nor am I defending Wahab. All I'm saying is public bashing of players to this degree by the head coach is not justifiable no matter what anyone says. He could've easily just said the exact same points listed in OP to Wahab personally instead of making it public. All this does is increase chances of a divide to happen between the coach and the players. No one likes being humiliated publicly, and that's exactly what Mickey did to Wahab. The coach has power in the team, and he should merely use it, not abuse it.
    Last edited by AssassinatedDevil; 14th April 2018 at 03:33.

  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssassinatedDevil View Post
    I am not complaining nor am I defending Wahab. All I'm saying is public bashing of players to this degree by the head coach is not justifiable no matter what anyone says. He could've easily just said the exact same points listed in OP to Wahab personally instead of making it public. All this does is increase chances of a divide to happen between the coach and the players. No one likes being humiliated publicly, and that's exactly what Mickey did to Wahab. The coach has power in the team, and he should merely use it, not abuse it.
    How is it publicly humiliating when it is the truth? Mickey is right. Wahab has not won us a game in 2 years. Its not as a personal attack, its a professional attack as regards to his performance which has been insufficient for International cricket as a player.

  5. #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    How is it publicly humiliating when it is the truth? Mickey is right. Wahab has not won us a game in 2 years. Its not as a personal attack, its a professional attack as regards to his performance which has been insufficient for International cricket as a player.
    It can be publicly humiliating even if it's the truth. Just because something is true doesn't mean it can't be used to publicly humiliate someone.

  6. #86
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    What I have seen of Wahab is that he always releases the pressure (eg Asia cup 2016,Asia cup 2012,CT 2017,England series) which has been created by Amir and co.He is a bit like Ishant.May work in Tests but should never play odi,T20.

  7. #87
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    Wahab is a keeper in tests . On fast pitches or when the ball is reversing he is almost unplayable . He needs to be kept away from the LOI sides. Kinda harsh from Mickey but I really can't blame him . Wahab is a nice guy but his place in LOI's team is not justifiable .


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  8. #88
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    Okay genius! Good luck for the series against England. Hopefully england destroy this team badly. They deserve this. Dropping the best test pacer is the way to go. Well done Mr. Mickey Arthur. So so disappointed!

  9. #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by AssassinatedDevil View Post
    It can be publicly humiliating even if it's the truth. Just because something is true doesn't mean it can't be used to publicly humiliate someone.
    After Wahab Riaz's performance against India in the Champions Trophy, almost everyone was humiliating him for that performance, the guy still ended up making a Crore rupees for being a part of the winning squad. This was not public humiliation rather than an assessment. Where he also menitoned it was a difficult decision to drop Riaz, a player who has been playing for a while needs to bring more to the table.

  10. #90
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    I hope this is the end of Wahab. I never really liked him as a cricketer. The fact that he does not work hard at his game (of which I was unaware) is one more reason not to.

  11. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cozyrensetter View Post
    What I have seen of Wahab is that he always releases the pressure (eg Asia cup 2016,Asia cup 2012,CT 2017,England series) which has been created by Amir and co.He is a bit like Ishant.May work in Tests but should never play odi,T20.
    EXACTLY THIS. He is just a bowling machine which can bowl fast and bouce.

  12. #92
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    Absolutely vindicated


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  13. #93
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    Wahab is a bowler who does well in dry flat pitches

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    Been carrying dead wood in the team for far too long. About time, we get rid of all the TTFs. Hope we dont get to see the likes of Hafeez and Akmal back in the team either

  15. #95
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    Wahab has bowled well in patches as a test bowler, but it has not ever resulted in a performance like the one Abbas gave in the Lords Test. Biggest reason for our victory and central to England's batting demise. Mickey and Inzamam stand vindicated in this decision

  16. #96
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    It does not take a genius to figure out that Wahab is not a test caliber bowler. Or ODI. Or t20.

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    Micky has been proven right about Wahab. Remember, Wahab is 32 - not young for a fast bowler. It was the right time to ditch him because his performances had been falling - most likely due to the work ethic that was mentioned.

    Come on Micky!

    Akmals sorted.
    Wahab sorted.
    Shezad on the periphery - hopefully, he won't play again.
    Hafeez dropped from tests. Now drop him from ODIs please.
    Malik - drop him and the revolution is complete.

    Afridi also retired.

    The team would finally be free of poisonous prima donnas. Having a team of young, vibrant, talented, HARD WORKING players is what we want.

  18. #98
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    I completely agree with not selecting Wahab but when you select Rahat, that is trash even when compared to Wahab then it defeats the whole purpose.

  19. #99
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    Is this likely to change in this series?


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  20. #100
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    Is he or Junaid Khan, the best pacer in UAE?

  21. #101
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    Why bring him back?


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  22. #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Why bring him back?
    Good question.

    Did he perform extraordinary good in the domestic after being dropped? Or are we just following the policy of dropping players and than selecting them again on random intervals?

  23. #103
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    Mickey the useless coach forgot that wahab single handedly made us win a test in the 4th innings against England in uae when nothing was happening. Mickey needs to ask for 2 proper spinners in uae if he wants to win otherwise stop crying these crocodile tears.

  24. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirris View Post
    Good question.

    Did he perform extraordinary good in the domestic after being dropped? Or are we just following the policy of dropping players and than selecting them again on random intervals?
    I assume you're talking about FC cricket.

    Well, after the SL Tests last year, he played 5 matches in the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy, taking 9 wickets @ 40.

    This season, he was busy with CPL for most of the domestic season (so far) but played one QEA match before this series. Figures were 0/32 and 1/11.


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  25. #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Why bring him back?
    His last match in UAE he had an insane spell with like 3 crucial wickets vs SL but based on today this should be the end.

  26. #106
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    Still proceeds to play him for some inexplicable reason

  27. #107
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    he's done, exhausted totally

    absolutely blunder to select him and then play him

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    Junaid is far far better
    Last edited by giri26; 12th October 2018 at 03:20.


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  29. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post
    Why bring him back?
    Because apparently we needed an eNfOrCeR in the team :S

  30. #110
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    Wahab Should not play Tests anymore. He can bowl a good spell once in 2 or 3 games but that shouldn't be the reason he is picked to play for Pakistan. He hasn't played any FC game and has been playing T20s for the last couple of months. Not sure why he is back in the team.

  31. #111
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    Is Junaid in the squad? Surely he plays next Test if so.

  32. #112
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    Struggled during final of QEA xup but wickets not conducive to his bowling?


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