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17th April 2018, 01:33 #1
Canada considers decriminalizing all drugs
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17th April 2018, 02:56 #2
Please do. Have been waiting for this.
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17th April 2018, 03:55 #3
Refreshing to see at least one country making policy based on common sense instead of outdated values. Some of the drug laws around the world, specifically those governing marijuana, are disgraceful and testament to the fact that life experience - the majority of lawmakers worldwide are from that wretched generation now in its 50s and 60s - is no substitute for a proper scientific education. I remember the Brit government rightly getting skewered by every expert on the subject when they reclassified grass from class C to class B.
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17th April 2018, 04:02 #4
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17th April 2018, 04:03 #5
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17th April 2018, 04:07 #6
Well that's unfortunate. Why would anyone publicly fund the spread of cancer, which is essentially what funding religious schools equates to? Canada is still ahead of most countries on most progressive causes though - as opposed to the US, which tends to rank near the bottom on most.
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17th April 2018, 04:16 #7
So now we will have nations full of zombie looking junkies.
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17th April 2018, 04:38 #8
Didn't know that's what the Netherlands was. In fact, that's probably the only country where heroin addicts are likely to actually work for a living and be functional human beings. It's also one of the few countries where the government directly supplies heroin to users in order to cut out the dealer and ensure that their citizens' health isn't further compromised by contaminated drugs. Your opinions, unfortunately, are informed by your bias against narcotic substances rather than any concrete, well established facts.
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17th April 2018, 05:07 #9
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17th April 2018, 05:10 #10
Depends. Cocaine, ice, heroin and things of that nature are a no-no. Marijuana/Hashish, LSD, mushrooms etc are completely fine with me though and I'd encourage any potential children I have to experiment with those substances in a controlled environment, preferably under my supervision.
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17th April 2018, 05:12 #11
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17th April 2018, 05:23 #12
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17th April 2018, 06:17 #13
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17th April 2018, 06:19 #14
The laws good but there needs to be an age Gap and heavy punishment for parents that expose their children towards them at an early age.
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17th April 2018, 06:19 #15
Giving LSD to young kids? Blinkin eck. I have taken LSD three times and although each occasion was an intense and unforgettable experience, every time it was also somewhat an ill-advised idea and I was incredibly fortunate to come out the other end with a slightly more open mind and no permanent psychological damage (one other person that I know was not so lucky!!)
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17th April 2018, 06:33 #16
How is the law good except the fact that govt. can tax it?
I wouldnt want the children or any other person from my family near any of these drugs and that is the metric i will use to support or oppose a law for others as well.
If it is readily available for sale how would it be possible to regulate its use? How will it be possible to prevent children from getting access to it when it is available so easily for any adult (who can later sell it). What would be the effects on the population say after 10 years of this law. How common would it be to see people walking around not in their senses? I am not very well versed with the addiction part and which drugs are more addictive but addiction surely is another problem??
Overall i believe it is pointless and dangerous to lift the blanket ban on all drugs.
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17th April 2018, 06:33 #17
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17th April 2018, 06:40 #18
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17th April 2018, 06:45 #19
My bias is towards empirical facts and the scientific method. At this point, given how much this subject has been studied in recent years, only someone supremely ignorant and stubborn to boot will claim that something like marijuana or LSD should be illegal in the same vein as something like Cocaine. That's blissful ignorance at its best.
Well established facts are that taking narcotic substances is detrimental to health and well being of society.
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17th April 2018, 06:50 #20
Here’s what a quick search tells me -
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/...nd-its-effects
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17th April 2018, 06:52 #21
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17th April 2018, 06:56 #22
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17th April 2018, 07:18 #23
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My kids although adults do not use drugs, not because its illegal but because I took the time to explain to them why they shouldent.
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17th April 2018, 08:31 #24
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17th April 2018, 08:36 #25
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17th April 2018, 08:45 #26
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17th April 2018, 10:45 #27
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17th April 2018, 13:37 #28
Decriminalization is different from making it readily available I hope, Marijuana is different , everyone in even IIT takes them as in later years of life taking it is good.
Also alcohol and cigs are readily available and smoking is harmful as well,worst being it's thought as cool.
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17th April 2018, 13:44 #29
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17th April 2018, 13:52 #30
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17th April 2018, 13:55 #31
Few individuals significantly alter the course of history. Fewer still modify the map of the world. Hardly anyone can be credited with creating a nation-state. Mohammad Ali Jinnah did all three.
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17th April 2018, 13:56 #32
Few individuals significantly alter the course of history. Fewer still modify the map of the world. Hardly anyone can be credited with creating a nation-state. Mohammad Ali Jinnah did all three.
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17th April 2018, 13:58 #33
Which drug specifically? I knew a guy at LUMS who got into heroin, completely lost himself, went to rehab but by the time he got back his mom had died of cancer. Cocaine was something several people I knew at university took on a semi regular basis (once or twice a month) without much adverse affects but that's probably because they were well educated folk at a red brick university and were well informed on limiting and spacing their intake to avoid physical dependency. Less well informed people, however, can do a lot of damage because cocaine is nearly as addictive and physically harmful as heroin or meth.
Marijuana and other soft drugs are a different issue altogether. I have known hundreds of people who consume marijuana regularly and these include at least two surgeons at one of the top three hospitals in Pakistan, both of whom, along with others I know through them, swear by it.
More recently, I have had to frequent a part of Lahore where junkies are known to gather after sunset and given my interest in the subject, I took some time to observe their conditions and what they do. Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe it and to add to the problem, instead of helping them society heaps scorn on them and shuns them.
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17th April 2018, 14:03 #34
Not comparable to LSD etc. Very real potential for physical harm if not handled properly.
You are the first person in my life who I have read/seen say that children should try out LSD.
Lovely. Do you dress up as a hippy too? Just wondering.
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17th April 2018, 14:08 #35
OK I see the problem. When you say children you are saying 17 to 18. Bro, at this age they are not children, they are teenagers, breaking into adulthood.
Also MDMA in low dosages is way less harmful than LSD IMO. For starters there is no physical damage using MDMA I know of.
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17th April 2018, 14:11 #36
I used the term children in the context of "my children" since I was asked specifically about them. They'd still be my children at 17-18.
Also MDMA in low dosages is way less harmful than LSD IMO. For starters there is no physical damage using MDMA I know of.
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17th April 2018, 14:15 #37
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17th April 2018, 15:55 #38
I knew of two guys specifically linked with heroin, one died of an overdose, the other was shot dead in dealer related crime. The latter one would be avoided if drugs were decriminalised, so that would be a positive aspect. Obviously we are talking about hard drugs here, but the OP is talking about decriminalising all drugs.
Marijuana, I know of someone who used it ended up having psychotic after effects, but then he may have been mixing with other drugs or alcohol, so no idea what effect that has long term, although I have heard it can affect short term memory. Not an expert so won't pretend to be. I do look at these 'softer drugs' as a gateway to the harder stuff, certainly it's been the case here in the UK. Personally I wouldn't give them to my pet animals so definitely would not want my kids to be taking them. But each to their own.
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17th April 2018, 16:19 #39
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Should happen everywhere else too. Canada is pretty liberal with drugs. Marijuana should be legalized in the US in the next 5 years (hopefully)...it's going on the ballot in Michigan soon..
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17th April 2018, 18:13 #40
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Prescription opioids have killed far more people than marijuana.
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17th April 2018, 18:23 #41
Giving children LSD
There is blatant hypocrisy if alcohol is legal but other drugs such as cannabis aren't . But once you legalise anything, you are saying it's ok to use when the evidence shows they are all harmful in one way or another.
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17th April 2018, 19:18 #42
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17th April 2018, 19:27 #44
Medical Marijuana and it's medical benefits is a fact.
10000s of case studies have proven cannabinoids have cured cancer.
https://www.cureyourowncancer.org/
The massive pharmaceuticals will not allow the legalisation as it will dent their profits!
Did anyone read about a 6 year old child epileptic boy who had 3,000 seizures in a year!? Cannabis is the cure but government rejects cure in the UK!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8216596.html
Family is heading to Netherlands!
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17th April 2018, 19:29 #45
My memories of Gatecrasher and Godskitchen summer festivals are coming back!
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17th April 2018, 19:32 #46
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17th April 2018, 19:34 #47
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I've heard of some miraculous life changing stories after families tried medical marijuana. But there's no guarantee that all individuals will have the same effects. Some other posters who are in the medical field can shed light...but yeah marijuana has changed in the US once it was medically legalized. It's an option that people have but I think it hasn't worked similarly on patients thus far.
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17th April 2018, 19:42 #49
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Visit the US. The quality has improved leaps and bounds since it was legalized for medical use. The prices have dropped too, significantly. US doesn't have a uniform view on pot...most states are working on a legalization plan because Colorado and Oregon have really shown it can be beneficial for the city and state governments.
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17th April 2018, 19:47 #50
Sure there are no guarantees, but I think the point here is that I would rather trial a natural medicine, opposed to synthesised marketed chemicals purely developed for profit.
There is a growing consensus than during cancer treatment, radiotherapy/chemotherapy etc causes more harm as it is! Radiation destroys DNA - this is a well known fact. Then the pharmas sell medicine which compound the illness - all for profit. Pharmaceuticals is a recession/stock market crash proof industry.
Notice how in the USA you are watching a TV show, the an advert breaks come up, 8 out of 10 adverts are about health!
I read a stat a few days back saying that USA is the only country where medical treatment in the modern West, can result in bankruptcy!
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17th April 2018, 20:17 #51
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17th April 2018, 21:19 #53
Main thing is knowledge and how/what to use. I have experimented with many substances back in the day and they mostly just had positive effects in expanding my mental horizons. Also I agree with decriminalizing all drugs as it then gets rid of the black market and the underground mafia, violence etc and society could then work in helping the addicted (believe me I had a few friends and it is something that cannot be helped for some) rather than shunning them.
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17th April 2018, 21:23 #54
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17th April 2018, 21:58 #55
All illicit drugs are bad. Period.
Decriminalizing is way forward for youngster or working family members to come forward and seek help. This way when the criminal record is check when they go looking for work, employers don't discriminate them.
It's all about employment. When they are earning money, they won't steal stuff once they are super addicted.
Heroin/Opioid/Morphine is the worse thing ever. Seen many patients losing their everything.
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17th April 2018, 22:04 #56
Kind of sad seeing this coming from a doctor. Illicit drugs are forbidden because the big companies profit from peddling their own lab made brands. Are you lumping Heroin/Morphine etc with natural marijuana? The pharmaceutical companies make 100 times more from much more addictive chemical opioids/ benzodiazepines/ amphetamines etc than anyone else.
You do know that Heroin was "legally" used as a medicine (and for children) for coughing back in the day?
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17th April 2018, 22:25 #57
Should I take drugs? Seems like a good thing I’m missing out on, going by the way some of you are talking about them.
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18th April 2018, 01:44 #62
I'm down to try Adderall once. I've heard very good things about it from various people and apparently, it helps you with losing fat way, way faster.
As far as marijuana is concerned, I've tried the brownies before but I'm not about that inhaling life.
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18th April 2018, 01:59 #63
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18th April 2018, 02:29 #66
So out of everything I posted, the only thing that upset you where I said all illicit drugs are bad. Just because Marijuana gives great high and you feel relaxed and happy. When I say illicit that means it means it's not being followed by law. I agree that there is big lobby of Pharma who is producing more morphine/opiod based medication than drug dealers.
But there is the difference between prescription medication vs buying off the street. Even if it includes Marijuana. I am not sold on that there should be rampant use of Marijuana. You want to give it to patient who is on chemo. and has no appetite to eat, sure go ahead give Marijuana, it will eliminate nause plus increase appetite. But should I advice college student to smoke before lecture is about to start? Just because it calms you down? I am not sure.
See we are still learning a lot about this, so long way to go before we become very liberal with this.
The point about heroin getting approved for cough relief doesn't make sense. there are still many cough syrup which has part of morhine in it. It works great for some patient, but it's not usually prescribed, especially to high risk of abuse type patient.
Personally, any kind of burnt smoke going to the lung is bad in long term. Be it Marijuana or hookah or Cigarettes.
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18th April 2018, 08:14 #70
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Legalising drugs means government grade stuff can be bought, this means drugs of the highest quality, plus regulated. There goes your illicit means not being followed by law argument.
Above all just read up on drug use in Portugal, a country that legalised all drugs and witnessed not just a reduction in usage, but crime too.
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18th April 2018, 08:21 #71
I think we should make clear the distinction between legalising drugs for medical use, and making available over the counter. Obviously there are already drugs similar to heroin like morphine which are used in hospitals for medicinal purposes, that doesn't mean they should become available at your local Spar corner store.
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18th April 2018, 09:25 #72
So happy to hear this. Go Canada!
Cant wait until the day that Australia stops its Nanny State style control of its people.
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18th April 2018, 09:28 #73
Oh guys don't smoke marijuana its sooooo bad for you, brb let me ingest this synthetic heroin prescribed to me by my dr which can kill me and make me a life long addict
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18th April 2018, 09:39 #74
You say ecstasy, ecstasy is different to MDMA, it is a mixture of different substances which may include MDMA and speed plus any other fillers. This means it can potentially be dangerous due to impurities and simply not knowing what is in it.
Pure MDMA in crystal form is one of the safest drugs out there. In fact it has just as much potential in medical science as marijuana.
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18th April 2018, 09:50 #75
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18th April 2018, 10:02 #77
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I don't know why some posters are bringing the question of morality into it. If you think drugs are evil, you can always avoid it's use and restrict your children etc. but governments should not take moral stances on such issues. There is enough empirical evidence to show that marijuana use in limited doses is not harmful at all. That should be enough to legalise it.
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