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    Realistically, what are Imran Khan's chances of becoming next PM?

    He can talk a good game but does he have the qualities to become a Pm of Pakistan?


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    Corruption will rule forever

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    I think he does have the quality, but the real question is whether the electorate have the quality to recognise his quality. I think he will miss out again, Pakistan public is still largely mired in regional/tribal suspicions, I think it will take another generation before they mature enough to elect someone like Khan.

    The Bhutto/Sharif clans will still hold sway in this election I feel.


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    I think he will form govt in shallah. As soon as the PMlN tenure is over; things will further worsen for them in shallah.

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    As they say 'mushkil hai,na-mumkin nahi.'

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    I think he will win. He is now also a part of the biraadri system. Imran has learnt the hard way. He now haan electables in the party and there is no doubt that the Panama scandal has dented PML-N. I’m quite confident he will form the government this time.


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    Lets be honest, he now has the backing from those that matter. It's almost a foregone conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahid87 View Post
    Lets be honest, he now has the backing from those that matter. It's almost a foregone conclusion.
    Apparently; he always has had the backing :p

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    Realistically speaking Imran would win enough seats to stop PMLN or PPP from forming independent governments but with coalition they would form government again like last 2 instances. And yes I can see an alliance of PMLN and PPP during election days.

    Moreover, you need to understand that more than half of the country is uneducated who cast their votes based on caste and not on performance, corruption, vision, etc. PMLN and PPP have deep roots in this rural areas of Pakistan from where they have an overall majority of supporters. One thing that has been consistent since 90s is that PMLN and PPP never focused on making education a priority in Pakistan because they knew the moment this illiterate people start thinking objectively is when they would lose their vote bank.

    Therefore I don't see Imran winning next election. At most I can see Imran winning a greater share of the seats in parliament. However, one thing that I can see happening is that Shahbaz Sharif becoming next PM and then Imran going after Shahbaz and getting him disqualified in 2 years time. I trust Imran to never give up even after loss in upcoming election. He will go after Shahbaz and Zardari and clean Pakistan politics for future generations. He is the best thing that has happened to Pakistan politics in my lifetime. He might never become PM of Pakistan but he will be the one that breaks the wheel of these family politics.

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    His chances are good, and increasing day by day. At this stage, it doesn't look like PML-N + PPP will win enough seats to even form government together. I don't see PML-N winning more than 85 seats, and PPP won't win more than 30, giving a combined total of 115.

    PTI look like they are heading for at least 105 seats, and in my opinion they will go in with alliances with parties like AML, PML-Q and BAP, and end up with a combined total of 120 seats. All they need is to bring the independents on board (who usually side with the winner), and convince one of the smaller parties to form a coalition.


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    Don't know much about politics but I voted very good.

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    His chances are good to excellent. His persistence will prevail, insha Allah. He deserves a chance in the Islamabad hot seat.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahid87 View Post
    Lets be honest, he now has the backing from those that matter. It's almost a foregone conclusion.
    Apparently he had the backing in 2013 as well and how many seats does he get from their main playground Punjab?? 6/148 seats. Now dont tell me that 6 out of 148 seats is due to backing of hidden forces and that too after record breaking jalsas (No hidden hands can force people to attend jalsas).

    And all those Independents and PMLQ heavyweights joined PMLN at last minute, who was backing them??

    I do believe hidden hands always play some part but their role is massively exaggerated. Plus there is also role of international forces as well, Shujaat Ch in his book talked about American influence in 2008 elections and we all know how Nawaz/Benazir came back. Then there is role of Saudis in our elections as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    Apparently he had the backing in 2013 as well and how many seats does he get from their main playground Punjab?? 6/148 seats. Now dont tell me that 6 out of 148 seats is due to backing of hidden forces and that too after record breaking jalsas (No hidden hands can force people to attend jalsas).

    And all those Independents and PMLQ heavyweights joined PMLN at last minute, who was backing them??

    I do believe hidden hands always play some part but their role is massively exaggerated. Plus there is also role of international forces as well, Shujaat Ch in his book talked about American influence in 2008 elections and we all know how Nawaz/Benazir came back. Then there is role of Saudis in our elections as well.
    He said the American delegation said to him that they will not recognize his party's victory. In other words, they told him that the PML-Q was no longer acceptable to the U.S.


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    I'll be mildly surprised if the elections come and go and Nawaz / PML(N) are still at the helm.

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    ISLAMABAD: An anti-terrorism court (ATC) on Friday acquitted Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairperson Imran Khan in the SSP Asmatullah Junejo attack case, filed after the 2014 sit-in.

    ATC Judge Shahrukh Arjumand read out the verdict in the case. “You are discharged from the case,” said the judge.

    The court had deferred the judgment on April 25 in the acquittal plea submitted by Imran and ordered him to appear in person. The judge had threatened to issue arrest warrants if Imran did not appear before the court.

    SSP torture case: ATC verdict on Imran’s acquittal plea on 23rd

    Political leaders and over a hundred workers and supporters of PTI and the Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) were booked in the cases. The workers, who were arrested, were later released on bail.

    On September 1, 2014, hundreds of men, allegedly protesters from the PTI and PAT camps, ransacked the PTV office, parliament premises and brutally beat up Junejo, less than 24 hours into his first day as SSP operations. Imran, PAT chief Tahirul Qadri and several others were booked for their alleged involvement in the attacks.

    On August 31, 2014, in an attempt to topple the PML-N government, the PTI and the PAT workers had marched on the parliament and the PM House while clashing with policemen along the way.

    SSP torture case: ATC defers judgment, summons Imran on May 4
    Speaking to media outside the court, Imran dwelled on an anti-terrorism court’s purpose. “ATC was established for cases that could not be accommodated by normal courts,” he said.

    Citing former SSP Rao Anwar’s case, Imran accused ousted prime minister Nawaz Sharif and former president Asif Ali Zardari for transferring unnecessary cases to the ATC. “They have adopted the same stance as military dictators.”

    When asked about the performance of the National Accountability Bureau (NAB), Imran said the watchdog was working in ‘true spirit’. “For the first time they are taking the right people to task,” he said.

    SSP Junejo returns to capital police after three years

    Extending support to NAB to investigate all government departments, Imran claimed Punjab Chief Minister Shehbaz Sharif is scared of investigations after misusing development funds. “No one is more corrupt than Zardari,” observed the PTI chief. “But he is not a hypocrite. He does not pose to be innocent like the Sharifs.”

    Responding on the sexist remarks passed by Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leaders, Imran said Rana Sanaullah, Abid Sher Ali, Talal Chuadhry and Javed Latif frequently used bad language for women. “Sharifs use these tactics, their front-men spit venom against women. They did not even spare Nusrat and Benazir Bhutto.”

    Reproaching the PML-N leadership to respect women, Imran quipped that the Sharifs pretended to respect women while they were abroad.

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1702143...-torture-case/


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    IK came out on Geo and said the army or elements within it had a hand in defeating the PTI in punjab. But now that the hidden forces from space have joined together to help him he is gonna win with a landslide!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    IK came out on Geo and said the army or elements within it had a hand in defeating the PTI in punjab. But now that the hidden forces from space have joined together to help him he is gonna win with a landslide!!
    He didn't say that. He said that Bajwa is a neutral COAS, and he is not backing anyone. He said that Nawaz Sharif isn't crying because the hidden forces are supporting anyone else, he is crying because the hidden forces are not supporting him anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hussain.r97 View Post
    He didn't say that. He said that Bajwa is a neutral COAS, and he is not backing anyone. He said that Nawaz Sharif isn't crying because the hidden forces are supporting anyone else, he is crying because the hidden forces are not supporting him anymore.
    He did say army helped the PML-N in 2013 elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    He did say army helped the PML-N in 2013 elections.
    If true; he needs to stop saying these things and focus on becoming the next PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    He can talk a good game but does he have the qualities to become a Pm of Pakistan?
    Its not matter of his own quality, we never had a leader with better qualities since Mr. Jinnah, but question is whether we have quality of voters to elect an honest and patriotic PM ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moghul View Post
    Its not matter of his own quality, we never had a leader with better qualities since Mr. Jinnah, but question is whether we have quality of voters to elect an honest and patriotic PM ?
    Well guess people will get the leader they deserve.


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    Allah help Pakistan if he becomes the PM. He and his party have managed to sell lies to the gullible public, but the gross incompetence of their governance has been exposed numerous times. The flaunting on social media aside, they have not lived up to the promises - the hospitals are still in a sorry state, and so are the schools.

    Latest fiasco: the metro "jangla bus", which they like to call BRT. Firstly, they delayed this project for years because they wanted to complete it just before the 2018 elections, in order to capitalize on the momentum that it will generate.

    However, it has panned out to be a complete disaster. The completion date is long overdue, and Sadiq & Ameen Saint Pervez Khattak has pressurized the management to complete the project before the elections.

    As a result, the top management have resigned, and now the failure of this project has been delegated to the CEO, who has apparently turned out to be a undercover Nooni, and is obviously a liar and a lifafa.

    I would recommend everyone to read his letter explaining the sad state of affairs, but unfortunately, our friends who source their news from PTI social media pages are not aware of his side of the story.

    This is a good read on the bizarre fiasco:

    "Dawn has learnt on good authority that the ADB, which has loaned $350 million for the BRT, is concerned about firing by Chief Minister Pervez Khattak of Chief Executive Officer Altaf Khan Durrani and the subsequent resignations of the chairman of its board of directors, chief financial officer and general manager (operations) and is already in contact with officers to salvage the situation.

    It has been learnt that the CEO, who was shown the door by Mr Khattak for speaking his mind on the timelines, may seek legal recourse.

    He said that instead of giving false timelines and shifting and delaying the launching date, knowing that those timelines were difficult to meet, given the amount of civil work pending, the chief minister needed to change his political narrative. “Rushing the project and using intimidatory tactics would compromise the quality and create more problems,” he added.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1406060

    Just like Justice Wajihuddin, Altaf Durrani and the BoD have been given the marching orders for speaking the truth. These fools are only good for making accusations, lying and the fake degree holder Murad acting like a thug in the assembly and putting his hands on other men.

    They cannot even make a metro without controversy, how will they run the country? No wonder the junoonis are not willing to talk about this disaster. Imagine if it was some other government, there would be a dozen threads on PP and the Junoonis would be performing bhangra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Allah help Pakistan if he becomes the PM. He and his party have managed to sell lies to the gullible public, but the gross incompetence of their governance has been exposed numerous times. The flaunting on social media aside, they have not lived up to the promises - the hospitals are still in a sorry state, and so are the schools.

    Latest fiasco: the metro "jangla bus", which they like to call BRT. Firstly, they delayed this project for years because they wanted to complete it just before the 2018 elections, in order to capitalize on the momentum that it will generate.

    However, it has panned out to be a complete disaster. The completion date is long overdue, and Sadiq & Ameen Saint Pervez Khattak has pressurized the management to complete the project before the elections.

    As a result, the top management have resigned, and now the failure of this project has been delegated to the CEO, who has apparently turned out to be a undercover Nooni, and is obviously a liar and a lifafa.

    I would recommend everyone to read his letter explaining the sad state of affairs, but unfortunately, our friends who source their news from PTI social media pages are not aware of his side of the story.

    This is a good read on the bizarre fiasco:

    "Dawn has learnt on good authority that the ADB, which has loaned $350 million for the BRT, is concerned about firing by Chief Minister Pervez Khattak of Chief Executive Officer Altaf Khan Durrani and the subsequent resignations of the chairman of its board of directors, chief financial officer and general manager (operations) and is already in contact with officers to salvage the situation.

    It has been learnt that the CEO, who was shown the door by Mr Khattak for speaking his mind on the timelines, may seek legal recourse.

    He said that instead of giving false timelines and shifting and delaying the launching date, knowing that those timelines were difficult to meet, given the amount of civil work pending, the chief minister needed to change his political narrative. “Rushing the project and using intimidatory tactics would compromise the quality and create more problems,” he added.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1406060

    Just like Justice Wajihuddin, Altaf Durrani and the BoD have been given the marching orders for speaking the truth. These fools are only good for making accusations, lying and the fake degree holder Murad acting like a thug in the assembly and putting his hands on other men.

    They cannot even make a metro without controversy, how will they run the country? No wonder the junoonis are not willing to talk about this disaster. Imagine if it was some other government, there would be a dozen threads on PP and the Junoonis would be performing bhangra.
    Any update on saplings? A random poster sitting overseas commenting on internal pakistan issues (you have a history of bashing others for this very same reason so talk when you return not when you are sitting there)

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    I laugh when peole ask the question "Does he have what it takes" .. it seems like people conveniently forget the caliber of our prime ministers post Zia Ul Haq.


    I mean come on.. can he really be worse than Nawaz, BB, Zerdari, Mushy, etc? you have to be smoking something really really good to believe so.

    The question to ask is: "Will this nation develop half a pea sized brain to actually elect him?"

    thats the question you should be asking!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    I laugh when peole ask the question "Does he have what it takes" .. it seems like people conveniently forget the caliber of our prime ministers post Zia Ul Haq.


    I mean come on.. can he really be worse than Nawaz, BB, Zerdari, Mushy, etc? you have to be smoking something really really good to believe so.

    The question to ask is: "Will this nation develop half a pea sized brain to actually elect him?"

    thats the question you should be asking!
    Sir even "educated" folks are coming out with statements like "Allah help Pak if he ever becomes PM".... as if the likes of Nawaz and Benazir have made us an Asian tiger.


    The fact is most of the "educated" people who support these traditional parties support them because they benefit from their corruption. The people who aren't very literate they will keep voting for them no matter what, but you expect better from educated/informed folks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Sir even "educated" folks are coming out with statements like "Allah help Pak if he ever becomes PM".... as if the likes of Nawaz and Benazir have made us an Asian tiger.


    The fact is most of the "educated" people who support these traditional parties support them because they benefit from their corruption. The people who aren't very literate they will keep voting for them no matter what, but you expect better from educated/informed folks.
    this is a misconception. education has nothing to do with it. its all about political interests like you said. yes a vast overwhelming majority of educated people (who just want the best for the country) want IK to win. but others with agenda of course will feel it otherwise.

    However, no matter how you look at it, I think its still a ridiculous question to ask "does he have the qualities to become the next PM?" we have set the bar so low that i really dont see how someone could keep a straight face while asking it. HAHAHA


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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    How pathetic are you guys. He has raised perfectly valid points and you derail the thread
    He used to be called 'Messiah" by his critics for believing that he would change things, not every aspect of Pakistan, but for the better, he would change things in Pakistan. Some how that believe in him was labelled as believing him to be a "Messiah", but remember, never said he would turn the land of Pakistan into a land of no garbage and 100% corrupt free. None of his supporter are that delusional.

    Off course, nothing will be perfect, but it will be better.

    The person who is criticizing IK, is for the sake of criticism. Every PTI supporter understand that nothing will be 100% perfect, not even close to perfection, but, things will be better under his government compare to PML-N or PPP or any other party.

    So, since they have nothing else to criticized, they resort to asking questions, such as, why aren't institutions perfect, IK never claimed or sold the idea of perfection, he simply said it will be better than what we have.

    PTI supporters aren't delusional and since most of the critics do not have much to to criticized they make straw man argument.

    Perfection takes time, in Pakistan, it will probably take longer. But, you can't get close to perfection if one keep electing the party of PML-N and PPP.
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    Imran Khan will be Pakistan's next PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    He used to be called 'Messiah" by his critics for believing that he would change things, not every aspect of Pakistan, but for the better, he would change things in Pakistan. Some how that believe in him was labelled as believing him to be a "Messiah", but remember, never said he would turn the land of Pakistan into a land of no garbage and 100% corrupt free. None of his supporter are that delusional.

    Off course, nothing will be perfect, but it will be better.

    The person who is criticizing IK, is for the sake of criticism. Every PTI supporter understand that nothing will be 100% perfect, not even close to perfection, but, things will be better under his government compare to PML-N or PPP or any other party.

    So, since they have nothing else to criticized, they resort to asking questions, such as, why aren't institutions perfect, IK never claimed or sold the idea of perfection, he simply said it will be better than what we have.

    PTI supporters aren't delusional and since most of the critics do not have much to to criticized they make straw man argument.

    Perfection takes time, in Pakistan, it will probably take longer. But, you can't get close to perfection if one keep electing the party of PML-N and PPP.
    "Messiah" is often used by Imran Khan critics to defend their incompetent leaders. Just because we criticise Mamoon's leader Nawaz Sharif for his corruption, incompetence and lies he believes only Messiah can replace him.

    So their view is that we stick to Nawaz Sharif until "Messiah" arrives from heaven, can't settle for anything in the middle

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    I want Immy to become PM not because he would set our country on the right path but just to see the reaction of "certain" posters


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    @www787

    Please read up the disastrous mismanagement of the metro bus project in Peshawar. What aspect of it is better than what the other governments have done in other provinces?

    No one is asking for perfection, but in spite of making tall claims, they have shown that they are not ready to take the reigns at the federal level. They delayed this project for years out of spite, but when the election drew close, they realized that they can use it to win votes.

    Now that they have also realized that they cannot finish the project in time, they have pushed the panic button.

    Imran is called a messiah because that is what he thinks of himself, and that is how his supporters view him. He came out all guns blazing with a lot of stupid claims, for example, the laughable notion that he would convert the CM House into a library.

    Every sane individual knew that it was both irrelevant and impossible, but he made those hollow statements to win the votes of the gullible folks, who easily walked into his lies.

    Almost everything that PTI stood up for has backfired. They have infiltrated their party with the most despicable politicians under the guise of ''electables'', and KPK government is strife with family politics - the Khattaks are everywhere.

    Speaking of electables, how can any sane person support PTI after the inclusion of Amir Liaquat is beyond me.

    All their talk of fixing education and healthcare has proved to be hot air as well, and as I stated above, they cannot even make a metro.

    The problem is that their social media propaganda is very good at selling lies to the people who are not aware of the ground realities.

    For example, they claimed yesterday that they have established 9 universities in KPK. The reality however, is completely different.

    In a nutshell, PTI has failed over the last five years to prove their worth in KPK. Instead of making accusations after accusations, contradicting their manifesto and selling propagandas to the public, they should have focused on delivering in KPK, which they have failed to do so.

    The only saving grace is that the top politicians of PTI are not corrupt. However, what is the point of being clean when you are not competent to begin with?

    Pakistan does not need a corrupt-free government at the federal level; it needs a government that is not only corruption-free, but is also competent.

    PTI will not win the election unless they form a coalition government, and the notion that they will "learn on the job" and get better with time means little, because federal governments are not for experiments. They had their chance in KPK and they botched it.

    They couldn't even practice what they preached, and they couldn't even make a metro in five years. The excuse? They were focused on more significant issues such as education, law and order and healthcare. Great, but they are in the dumps as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    @www787

    Please read up the disastrous mismanagement of the metro bus project in Peshawar. What aspect of it is better than what the other governments have done in other provinces?

    No one is asking for perfection, but in spite of making tall claims, they have shown that they are not ready to take the reigns at the federal level. They delayed this project for years out of spite, but when the election drew close, they realized that they can use it to win votes.

    Now that they have also realized that they cannot finish the project in time, they have pushed the panic button.

    Imran is called a messiah because that is what he thinks of himself, and that is how his supporters view him. He came out all guns blazing with a lot of stupid claims, for example, the laughable notion that he would convert the CM House into a library.

    Every sane individual knew that it was both irrelevant and impossible, but he made those hollow statements to win the votes of the gullible folks, who easily walked into his lies.

    Almost everything that PTI stood up for has backfired. They have infiltrated their party with the most despicable politicians under the guise of ''electables'', and KPK government is strife with family politics - the Khattaks are everywhere.

    Speaking of electables, how can any sane person support PTI after the inclusion of Amir Liaquat is beyond me.

    All their talk of fixing education and healthcare has proved to be hot air as well, and as I stated above, they cannot even make a metro.

    The problem is that their social media propaganda is very good at selling lies to the people who are not aware of the ground realities.

    For example, they claimed yesterday that they have established 9 universities in KPK. The reality however, is completely different.

    In a nutshell, PTI has failed over the last five years to prove their worth in KPK. Instead of making accusations after accusations, contradicting their manifesto and selling propagandas to the public, they should have focused on delivering in KPK, which they have failed to do so.

    The only saving grace is that the top politicians of PTI are not corrupt. However, what is the point of being clean when you are not competent to begin with?

    Pakistan does not need a corrupt-free government at the federal level; it needs a government that is not only corruption-free, but is also competent.

    PTI will not win the election unless they form a coalition government, and the notion that they will "learn on the job" and get better with time means little, because federal governments are not for experiments. They had their chance in KPK and they botched it.

    They couldn't even practice what they preached, and they couldn't even make a metro in five years. The excuse? They were focused on more significant issues such as education, law and order and healthcare. Great, but they are in the dumps as well.
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    Hopefully chances of him becoming next PM are high. We need a man like him to steer the ship.

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    Gaining traction at the right time. Chances increasing day by day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Pakistan does not need a corrupt-free government at the federal level; it needs a government that is not only corruption-free, but is also competent.
    If it's between a competent and incompetent government, corruption becomes a non factor. The competent option doesn't need to be clean to be the superior option. A clean but incompetent government over a competent but corrupt government is a non starter. Unfortunately, not a single option is either clean or competent.


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    Imran is likely to become next PM. He should be careful about his security though as there are many who do not want to see him elected at any cost.

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    Very low chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressPacer View Post
    Very low chances.
    And why would that be?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    @www787

    Please read up the disastrous mismanagement of the metro bus project in Peshawar. What aspect of it is better than what the other governments have done in other provinces?

    No one is asking for perfection, but in spite of making tall claims, they have shown that they are not ready to take the reigns at the federal level. They delayed this project for years out of spite, but when the election drew close, they realized that they can use it to win votes.

    Now that they have also realized that they cannot finish the project in time, they have pushed the panic button.

    Imran is called a messiah because that is what he thinks of himself, and that is how his supporters view him. He came out all guns blazing with a lot of stupid claims, for example, the laughable notion that he would convert the CM House into a library.

    Every sane individual knew that it was both irrelevant and impossible, but he made those hollow statements to win the votes of the gullible folks, who easily walked into his lies.

    Almost everything that PTI stood up for has backfired. They have infiltrated their party with the most despicable politicians under the guise of ''electables'', and KPK government is strife with family politics - the Khattaks are everywhere.

    Speaking of electables, how can any sane person support PTI after the inclusion of Amir Liaquat is beyond me.

    All their talk of fixing education and healthcare has proved to be hot air as well, and as I stated above, they cannot even make a metro.

    The problem is that their social media propaganda is very good at selling lies to the people who are not aware of the ground realities.

    For example, they claimed yesterday that they have established 9 universities in KPK. The reality however, is completely different.

    In a nutshell, PTI has failed over the last five years to prove their worth in KPK. Instead of making accusations after accusations, contradicting their manifesto and selling propagandas to the public, they should have focused on delivering in KPK, which they have failed to do so.

    The only saving grace is that the top politicians of PTI are not corrupt. However, what is the point of being clean when you are not competent to begin with?

    Pakistan does not need a corrupt-free government at the federal level; it needs a government that is not only corruption-free, but is also competent.

    PTI will not win the election unless they form a coalition government, and the notion that they will "learn on the job" and get better with time means little, because federal governments are not for experiments. They had their chance in KPK and they botched it.

    They couldn't even practice what they preached, and they couldn't even make a metro in five years. The excuse? They were focused on more significant issues such as education, law and order and healthcare. Great, but they are in the dumps as well.
    I am pretty sure this person has no idea what social media is.




    I will believe those who I have personally spoken to face to face than someone on the internet who has a history of wrist slitting. And trying to demoralized everything that has to do with Pakistan in order to come off of different than rest of his fellow countrymen. Valid criticism is welcome and appreciated but criticizing for the sake of criticism is not.

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    You elect the people on ideology, their determination, their integrity, expectation and hope.

    Obama was probably not a great senator of IL, but he had all of the above.And, he did manage to steer US economy into right direction.

    Was he perfect, NO!

    Is IK perfect, NO! But his 11 points that he has presented, I want to see if anyone can argue against that this is what Pakistan needed at the moment to prosper instead of bridges and roads. He may not be able to full fill every promise. But as long as he can can get close to it, It will steer Pakistan into right direction.

    About competency, do explain how IK isn't competent to run the country and Nawas Sharif is? I can't wait to read it.

    He is as competent as or better as a next man to run the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    You elect the people on ideology, their determination, their integrity, expectation and hope.

    Obama was probably not a great senator of IL, but he had all of the above.And, he did manage to steer US economy into right direction.

    Was he perfect, NO!

    Is IK perfect, NO! But his 11 points that he has presented, I want to see if anyone can argue against that this is what Pakistan needed at the moment to prosper instead of bridges and roads. He may not be able to full fill every promise. But as long as he can can get close to it, It will steer Pakistan into right direction.

    About competency, do explain how IK isn't competent to run the country and Nawas Sharif is? I can't wait to read it.

    He is as competent as or better as a next man to run the country.
    Certain folks family members are in government service and they benefit from a corrupt person being at the head of the government.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    And why would that be?
    Yaar, he's lost a lot of support and its very hard for elections to be contested fairly in Pakistan. I seriously doubt the chances of him even winning a single province.

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    But as a "certain" poster said: "Allah help Pakistan if IK ever becomes PM"


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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    You elect the people on ideology, their determination, their integrity, expectation and hope.

    Obama was probably not a great senator of IL, but he had all of the above.And, he did manage to steer US economy into right direction.

    Was he perfect, NO!

    Is IK perfect, NO! But his 11 points that he has presented, I want to see if anyone can argue against that this is what Pakistan needed at the moment to prosper instead of bridges and roads. He may not be able to full fill every promise. But as long as he can can get close to it, It will steer Pakistan into right direction.

    About competency, do explain how IK isn't competent to run the country and Nawas Sharif is? I can't wait to read it.

    He is as competent as or better as a next man to run the country.
    I agree, Imran Khan's 11 points are extremely important and he doesn't just say things to please people, he has worked quite a bit on those points in KPK already.

    It's not just PTI telling us they have made improvements in police, health, education etc but average people who usually vote for local roads and gutters are confirming there has been huge change.

    Even before 2013 elections, Imran Khan's promises weren't about metro, roads, motorways but he talked about education, health, police reforms, local bodies, corruption etc and i won't say he achieved everything (he has admitted himself) but significant improvements since PTI took over.

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    The National Accoun*tability Bureau (NAB) has summoned Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan next week in connection with an ongoing inquiry against the alleged misuse of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government's helicopters for private visits by the PTI chief.

    A notice has been issued to Khan to appear before NAB Khyber Pakhtunkhwa on July 18, an official confirmed to DawnNewsTV.

    NAB chairman retired Justice Javed Iqbal had in February this year directed the bureau’s KP director general to conduct an inquiry against the PTI chief and then-KP chief minister Pervez Khattak over unofficial use of two government helicopters — MI-17 and Ecureuil — by misusing authority.

    A press release issued by the bureau had stated that there is documentary evidence that Khan paid Rs2.1 million for using an Mi-17 and an Ecureuil helicopter belonging to the KP government for a total of 74 hours, which amounts to Rs28,000 spent for every hour the helicopters were used.

    The NAB report claims that had Khan used a private company's choppers, it would have cost him an hourly fare of between Rs1m and Rs1.2m for the Mi-17, and between Rs0.5m and Rs0.6m for the Ecureuil.

    Citing Pervez Khattak's principal adviser on technical training and aviation, the report added that the use of KP helicopters can cost as much as Rs0.2m per hour.

    It claimed that Khan should have paid the KP government Rs11.1m, but official documents only mention payments worth Rs2.1m.

    According to sources, the PTI chief was served summons after the NAB chairman approved an application in this regard by the bureau's KP chapter.

    Khan had claimed at a party meeting that he had not used official helicopters of the PTI-led KP government for personal use.

    Former chief minister Khattak has previously appeared before NAB in connection with the inquiry as well. An inquiry had been ordered against him to ascertain if he had the power to hand over 'sensitive' assets such as choppers for non-governmental usage.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1419616/im...ts-helicopters


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    The National Accoun*tability Bureau (NAB) has summoned Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) chairman Imran Khan next week in connection with an ongoing inquiry against the alleged misuse of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government's helicopters for private visits by the PTI chief.

    A notice has been issued to Khan to appear before NAB Khyber Pakhtunkhwa on July 18, an official confirmed to DawnNewsTV.

    NAB chairman retired Justice Javed Iqbal had in February this year directed the bureau’s KP director general to conduct an inquiry against the PTI chief and then-KP chief minister Pervez Khattak over unofficial use of two government helicopters — MI-17 and Ecureuil — by misusing authority.

    A press release issued by the bureau had stated that there is documentary evidence that Khan paid Rs2.1 million for using an Mi-17 and an Ecureuil helicopter belonging to the KP government for a total of 74 hours, which amounts to Rs28,000 spent for every hour the helicopters were used.

    The NAB report claims that had Khan used a private company's choppers, it would have cost him an hourly fare of between Rs1m and Rs1.2m for the Mi-17, and between Rs0.5m and Rs0.6m for the Ecureuil.

    Citing Pervez Khattak's principal adviser on technical training and aviation, the report added that the use of KP helicopters can cost as much as Rs0.2m per hour.

    It claimed that Khan should have paid the KP government Rs11.1m, but official documents only mention payments worth Rs2.1m.

    According to sources, the PTI chief was served summons after the NAB chairman approved an application in this regard by the bureau's KP chapter.

    Khan had claimed at a party meeting that he had not used official helicopters of the PTI-led KP government for personal use.

    Former chief minister Khattak has previously appeared before NAB in connection with the inquiry as well. An inquiry had been ordered against him to ascertain if he had the power to hand over 'sensitive' assets such as choppers for non-governmental usage.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1419616/im...ts-helicopters
    I thought he was laadla of NAb and estab?


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    He'll be the new PM of Pakistan, Insha'Allah.

    Election commission must do its job tho.

    I refuse to believe that majority will vote Sharif.

    Let's hear the unadulterated vox populi!

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    Its 50-50.
    right now i am saying it becoz of 2 things,
    one is that he have to win the big seats from Punjab, like with big numbers.
    secondly, even after winning from punjab he have to make alliance with other parties in other provinces, and when you make alliances you have to be flexible with other parties.
    whatever i have observed in Imran khan, he isnt a flexible person at all.


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    If pti secures a 100 seats I think he will be in a very strong position to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bilal_103 View Post
    If pti secures a 100 seats I think he will be in a very strong position to win.
    i dont know much about PTI election campaign . can they secure 150+ seats from all pakistan ? if the answer is yes thn maybe he will be next PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    I thought he was laadla of NAb and estab?
    This is such a crap, cheap tactics of Army to show they are not biased. Are you that naive?


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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    This is such a crap, cheap tactics of Army to show they are not biased. Are you that naive?
    Only you are genius here man all others are dumb


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    I really hope the electorate elect him as the new PM!
    But as we all know, "hamari qoam".....

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    @Mamoon Who will you be voting ? And are you acquainted with PMLN , Reham or any individuals linked to these entities ? Because if there is no conflict of interest in your views then what you say about Peshawar and Imrans performance over there should be taken seriously given how you live there. However, beyond those negatives are there any PTI positives from your POV and what alternatives are doing a better job or could do a better job for the people of your city ?

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    Nawaz's drama might have had an impact in central Punjab forcing many swing voters to support him after his 'great qurbani' in order to save 'jhamooriyat'.

    Central Punjab will be key and the deciding factor unless PTI could get a majority in Sindh which is impossible.

    What do you say? Has Nawaz's 'qurbani' drama made it tougher for IK?


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    Its already too late. I actually don't want Khan to be PM with Pakistan in all this mess, there needs to be a bloody coup and a one party rule in Pakistan for the next 30 years to improve things, Kinda like China. Democracy is Pakistan's cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjahmed23 View Post
    Its already too late. I actually don't want Khan to be PM with Pakistan in all this mess, there needs to be a bloody coup and a one party rule in Pakistan for the next 30 years to improve things, Kinda like China. Democracy is Pakistan's cancer.
    The true nightmare of democracy is to have a population who cannot understand what is good for them and what is not.

    It might sound snobbish but that is the reason why the Founding Fathers of America established an electoral college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    The true nightmare of democracy is to have a population who cannot understand what is good for them and what is not.

    It might sound snobbish but that is the reason why the Founding Fathers of America established an electoral college.
    Very true. However ironically Trump won because of the electoral college and not the popular vote.

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    Would have voted for him if I were there even though not wholeheartedly. Didn't like him getting the snake of snakes Amir Liaqat on board but think maybe it could be a necessarily evil atm and then could be discarded later (although unlikely gicen his recent religious inclinations). The marriage and the peer visit didn't inspire much confidence either.

    Won't be worse than the other tried and tested corrupts though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadBall View Post
    Very true. However ironically Trump won because of the electoral college and not the popular vote.
    That's true!

    But the lobbying in Congress and gerrymandering ensured a Trump victory.

    For a lot of people here, it was the lesser of two and a lot of Democrats were bitter that Sanders was not elected so they felt that Hillary should not win no matter the cost.


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    I don't understand those who want one party rule. They want a Bloody Revolution and for the Qoum to suffer for 20-30 years so they can beat their chests about their country being great.

    That is, assuming they survive

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    That's true!

    But the lobbying in Congress and gerrymandering ensured a Trump victory.

    For a lot of people here, it was the lesser of two and a lot of Democrats were bitter that Sanders was not elected so they felt that Hillary should not win no matter the cost.
    Yeah, choosing Clinton over Sanders was quite baffling (although not really), think he would have won had he got the nomination. "Democracy" being a business had never been so evident as in the recent election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post

    Vicki bhai still delivering those toe crushing yorkers.... this time for patwaris.


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    Isn’t it almost certain now? It’ll be very interesting to see how Pakistan progress in the next couple of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Q View Post
    Isn’t it almost certain now? It’ll be very interesting to see how Pakistan progress in the next couple of years.
    It'll be either Imran Khan, or Bilawal Bhutto. The latter if he gangs up with Nawaz Sharif's party to force a majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    It'll be either Imran Khan, or Bilawal Bhutto. The latter if he gangs up with Nawaz Sharif's party to force a majority.
    No it will either be Imran Khan or Zardari as Prime Minister.

    At the moment it's looking like Imran Khan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakWarrior View Post
    No it will either be Imran Khan or Zardari as Prime Minister.

    At the moment it's looking like Imran Khan.
    Zardari has no chance. It will either be Imran Khan or an independent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakWarrior View Post
    No it will either be Imran Khan or Zardari as Prime Minister.

    At the moment it's looking like Imran Khan.
    Zardari will never again hold a position in the federal government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arham_PakFan View Post
    Zardari will never again hold a position in the federal government.
    But he will never be punished like Nawaz either. So much for accountability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    But he will never be punished like Nawaz either. So much for accountability.
    How do you know?Can you see the future now too?Did you know even 3 years ago what would happen to Nawaz?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arham_PakFan View Post
    How do you know?Can you see the future now too?Did you know even 3 years ago what would happen to Nawaz?
    Nothing will happen to Zardari as long as he is on good terms with the military. Similarly, even Imran Khan will end up in hot water when he stops licking military boots.

    He won’t survive Article 62-63 and he has been running from his embezzlement case for four years now. If/when the military decides to frame Imran Khan, there is plenty of material that they can go with.

    Nawaz didn’t become corrupt overnight, why has all this happened now? One reason: he has burned his bridges with the army.

    It has nothing to do with Imran raising his voice against corruption and crooks. Imran doesn’t care about all of that.

    If he did, he wouldn’t have compromised his ideology by welcoming crooks and corrupt politicians in his party. His problem is only with those corrupt people who are not on his side.

    The military is simply using Imran Khan to pull the strings from behind the curtain. Just like Nawaz was in the past, he is the new puppet of the GHQ, and his fate will be the same as Nawaz.

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    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...134e88c9d6389#

    Michael Atherton has written a piece on the Election in The Times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Q View Post
    Isn’t it almost certain now? It’ll be very interesting to see how Pakistan progress in the next couple of years.
    Please go ahead and state who think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    It'll be either Imran Khan, or Bilawal Bhutto. The latter if he gangs up with Nawaz Sharif's party to force a majority.
    I don’t hear Bilawal’s or his father’s name much nowadays. PML + PPP? Will it happen? It’s politics but still...

    Anyways the majority here wants IK to win. So let’s hope he wins. I’m not as optimistic as I was a year or two ago about his plans. Time will prove how good or bad he is.

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    Even the most optimistic PTI supporting tv channels don't project PTI getting a clear majority and will need to form a coalition. So many political parties joining to stop IK from becoming PM is not out of the question.


    "Too often we... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought"-JFK

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    it will be hung parliament. if i am not wrong Imran khan needs 137 seats to become PM.


    The Griffins ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewarrior View Post
    it will be hung parliament. if i am not wrong Imran khan needs 137 seats to become PM.
    He can get 100 seats and then make up shortfall of 37 with independents and small sympathetic parties. Job done.

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    It will either be IK or an Independent.


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