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    Australia cancel hosting Bangladesh later this year

    Cricket Australia (CA) has on Wednesday, reportedly, cancelled hosting Bangladesh later in 2018 citing financial reasons. According to a report by a leading cricketing website, CA communicated to the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) that the tour was not “commercially viable”.

    The International Cricket Council’s (ICC) Future Tours Program (FTP) had Australia down to play two Tests and three ODIs at home against Bangladesh in August and September, the latter’s first bilateral tour Down Under since 2003.

    However, the trip was scrapped because Australian free-to-air broadcasters are understood to be uninterested in televising the series in the middle of the football season.

    The report further said that CA felt it no longer made sense to play top-end matches, usually played in North Queensland and the Northern Territory, out of season because they get “swamped” by the major football codes.

    http://www.sportstarlive.com/cricket...le23828342.ece
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    And it has begun.
    Slow death of bilateral cricket.

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    This is not acceptable. You shouldnt cancel series on financial basis after you have agreed to having it before.

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    I think, CA is trying to recover from the financial loss from recent events. It’s not about bilateral series - then they would have cancelled IND tour as well. I think, the series will be rescheduled in future date.

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    Was this one of the tours promised to Bangladesh after they voted for the Big 3?

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    Pak should invite Bangladesh or tour them for an ODI series after the Zim tour.

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    Ehsan farmosh ab yehi ho in ky saath


    Waiting for the day when there will be no p....i player in a green shirt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arham_PakFan View Post
    Pak should invite Bangladesh or tour them for an ODI series after the Zim tour.
    That space is the only break they have before non stop cricket for 7 months.

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    they can arrange a trinational tournament with BD being one of them, that'll be financially viable I guess


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    This is ridiculous! The notion that Bangladesh is not a viable financial option for any team to host. We have a booming economy growing at 7.5% plus, huge corporations who can (and do!) sponsor our sides away if need be. We are an emerging "Tiger Economy" and have c. 150 million devoted fans who watch each and every game.

    This is small minded ** from Australia. Would they cancel on Lanka who are perpetually broke? On Pakistan whose economic growth is anemic and whose corporations cannot assure financial safety nets like our big groups can? Or on the WI who have so little money they run to play show games in Pakistan for pocket change?

    No!

    When Bangladesh becomes the 2nd greatest cricketing economy after India, I hope we remember this!

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    Its an off season tour. Bangladesh would be more viable than WI, SL, and probably even NZ. But sponorships and broadcast deals are based on perceptions more so than actual reality. Hence why PCB also says Bangladesh isn't viable to host in UAE even though WI and SL are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutdown Corner View Post
    Its an off season tour. Bangladesh would be more viable than WI, SL, and probably even NZ. But sponorships and broadcast deals are based on perceptions more so than actual reality. Hence why PCB also says Bangladesh isn't viable to host in UAE even though WI and SL are.
    Certainly bring more $$ than the Kiwis.
    Maybe more than the Saffers too if someone considers potential advertising income. Cricket broadcasting in BD is a captive market of 150 million. A large middle class with lots of income. Dhaka is a boom town at this time. Everyone is coming for a piece. In 10 years we will be so far and away the 2nd biggest financial draw that no one will dare cancel on us for such silly reasons!

    I am deeply insulted. I am not normally a patriotic man but this is a bare faced lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bujhee kom View Post
    This is ridiculous! The notion that Bangladesh is not a viable financial option for any team to host. We have a booming economy growing at 7.5% plus, huge corporations who can (and do!) sponsor our sides away if need be. We are an emerging "Tiger Economy" and have c. 150 million devoted fans who watch each and every game.

    This is small minded ** from Australia. Would they cancel on Lanka who are perpetually broke? On Pakistan whose economic growth is anemic and whose corporations cannot assure financial safety nets like our big groups can? Or on the WI who have so little money they run to play show games in Pakistan for pocket change?

    No!

    When Bangladesh becomes the 2nd greatest cricketing economy after India, I hope we remember this!

    It's probably more that their public just does not want to watch Bangladesh. To be honest, who can blame them?

    If Australia had actually agreed to play this series then they should compensate the Bangladesh cricket board.

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    getting a taste of there own medicine

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I think, CA is trying to recover from the financial loss from recent events. It’s not about bilateral series - then they would have cancelled IND tour as well. I think, the series will be rescheduled in future date.
    Indian tours are money spinners.

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    No one wants to play with minnows.

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    BD need to win an ICC event or a major test series to change people's perception and be considered a major draw.

    Some people still see them as minnows which is incorrect imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirpur express View Post
    Ehsan farmosh ab yehi ho in ky saath
    What ehsaan?

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    Well you may be patriotic and not seeing through ACB's eye. In Australia no one knows about any Bangladeshi player apart from Bengali expats maybe. If Australian broadcasters dont thing it's viable to host "Tigers" then ACB wont go ahead. You can praise your economy and all but fact of the matter is Bangladesh is still irrelevant in global scene and until they achieve anything of note is global events teams will still be reluctant to host them. Compared to Kiwis, there's always a inherent rivalry that tunes people in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shane View Post
    It's probably more that their public just does not want to watch Bangladesh. To be honest, who can blame them?

    If Australia had actually agreed to play this series then they should compensate the Bangladesh cricket board.
    It's normally the host country that bears the costs of the tourists transport, accommodations etc, and hence keeps the revenue from tv broadcasting deals (unless you're India that's the tourists, in which case the BCCI demands that it gets a percentage from any broadcasting deals). So what compensation would Bangladesh be entitled to?


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    The "premier" format fast becoming not so premier. As I have suspected for long, majority of the boards conduct their test matches hiding behind ODI revenues. Just surprised that CA has cancelled tests. Because CA and ECB are the only ones that make money off tests.

    By the way this not path breaking by CA by any means. PCB has done the same to CA a few years ago. They cancelled money draining tests for revenue generating ODI's.

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    Losing every single match by huge margin in SA tour didn't help here as well. Having said that I am not sure it has much to do with that. It could be simply not feasible for CA to host BD right and I hope they host BD in future.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shane View Post
    It's probably more that their public just does not want to watch Bangladesh. To be honest, who can blame them?

    If Australia had actually agreed to play this series then they should compensate the Bangladesh cricket board.
    BD is not host here. BD wouldn't have made any money here.


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    its pretty similar to what BCCI does to BCB. just play away series, cancelling all home series with them all these years. Bangla has nothing to lose, they gain everytime India visit Bangla. they have issue only teams like India or Aus is not ready to play series in Bangladesh.

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    The issue is that out of season cricket matches in small cities aren't viable.


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    If Pakistan is free at that time, PCB should offer to host BD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    It's normally the host country that bears the costs of the tourists transport, accommodations etc, and hence keeps the revenue from tv broadcasting deals (unless you're India that's the tourists, in which case the BCCI demands that it gets a percentage from any broadcasting deals). So what compensation would Bangladesh be entitled to?
    I doubt it is the case that touring teams make no money at all from these series. But even if they do not, it is possible for example that Bangladesh may have turned down other playing opportunities in the expectation of a series against a top side. If so, they should be compensated for that.

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    So now we know why is PCB not ready to host Bangladesh in the UAE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Indian tours are money spinners.
    Brilliant insights, thanks for letting us know that - I thought, I wrote CA would cancel IND tour as well because they are trying to recover from financial loss and bilateral series has no future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    So now we know why is PCB not ready to host Bangladesh in the UAE.
    CA & PCB are in a bit different situation though - one is hosting IND, ENG in alternate years for 3 months and other trying to convince ZIM, WIN for 4/5 days trip.

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    So it was sensible decision from pcb to not host bd in uae .lol aus board just troll bcb with the statement of""citing finicail reason""

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    I don't think a lot of you people understand how many sports we play in Australia, that is why we are competitive in every sports and are always in the top 10 in the Olympics etc.

    We have AFL, Rugby etc competing in the winter months and AFL and Rugby, Soccer etc are very big here in Australia, the MCG alone gets about 90K for AFL matches in Melbourne.

    Cricket is not a viable sports in winter, AFL is broadcast around the nation and the TV channels just aren't interested in a test series with Bangladesh.

    The AFL sold TV rights in 2015 for $2.5 billion and we have a lot of competition for broadcast deals.

    SO that is probably the reason.
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    CA just slapped some truths on BCB. PCB has been right not to host them all along and waste money in UAE.

    The fact is Bangladesh is a minnow, whether they tour in season or out of season, no one is interested and it's just an exercise in losing revenue for the home board.

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    This is sad ! I was looking forward to watching some top end cricket ! So this basically means the top end stadiums are unlikely to host any international matches. Instead they are used for practice purpose & A/HP team games in off season.

    So, what will Bangladesh do in the meantime ? I definitely don't want them to seat idle. Can they invite Australia in Bangladesh ? Pakistan can try to convince Bangladesh for a short series in Pakistan. Pakistan needs as many international matches as possible for easing the international cricket back in Pakistan. With WC 2019 in back, Bangladesh can play home ODI series, even a series against Afghanistan, Ireland or Zimbabwe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    CA & PCB are in a bit different situation though - one is hosting IND, ENG in alternate years for 3 months and other trying to convince ZIM, WIN for 4/5 days trip.
    Which makes it even more pertinent for PCB not to waste money on Bangladesh in UAE..... well done to them for not doing so. you rather use that money on teams willing to play in pakistan for however long it doesn't matter. Atleast it's being used for a purpose that has a potential positive outcome for the game in Pakistan as appose to throwing money down a hole by hosting Bangladesh in UAE.

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    This is sad for BD. I feel for the fans who would have been looking forward to the tour. If a precedent like this is set, it's only a further nail on the coffin for the death of Test cricket amongst the poorer nations.

    If it was in the middle of footy season, then CA should not have organised the tour for that period.

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    And then we say test cricket is not growing and lower ranked teams are not improving.

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    This is for all those times you rejected PCB invites to Pakistan.

    Keep listening to BCCI and have fun.

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    Don't understand the sour grapes vibe here.

    Its not like Pakistan or the PCB are some powerhouse. We are just as vulnerable. Today its Bangladesh, tomorrow it could be anyone else.

    The truth is that for the Big 3, the only real money spinners are games against the other Big 3 nations. If you let them dictate that they will play the majority of their games against each other...you will find yourselves relegated to the sidelines.

    In 2016 Pakistan were the main draw of the English summer. This time we are back as the warm up act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahid87 View Post
    Don't understand the sour grapes vibe here.

    Its not like Pakistan or the PCB are some powerhouse. We are just as vulnerable. Today its Bangladesh, tomorrow it could be anyone else.

    The truth is that for the Big 3, the only real money spinners are games against the other Big 3 nations. If you let them dictate that they will play the majority of their games against each other...you will find yourselves relegated to the sidelines.

    In 2016 Pakistan were the main draw of the English summer. This time we are back as the warm up act.
    This is why it becomes even more important for Asian teams to stick together but tell that to BCB.

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    Really glad that this will stop happening pretty soon. As test championship will force top nations to play at least some bottom teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    Really glad that this will stop happening pretty soon. As test championship will force top nations to play at least some bottom teams.
    But who will pick up the tab for this? The ICC? CA says that they will lose money. I am sure other boards will also be in a similar situation come test championship time. How are boards going to pay for tests? I guess by playing more ODI's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USofA View Post
    But who will pick up the tab for this? The ICC? CA says that they will lose money. I am sure other boards will also be in a similar situation come test championship time. How are boards going to pay for tests? I guess by playing more ODI's.
    Well ICC did it so they pay for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JattMaula View Post
    Well ICC did it so they pay for it.
    Which would mean less "handouts" to all the boards. Because the money has to come from somewhere. In the case of ICC, it will come from WC revenues. The only avenue for ICC to make money. This would leave less money for distribution.

    But not sure if the ICC will pick up the tab. The boards will be left to fend for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    This is why it becomes even more important for Asian teams to stick together but tell that to BCB.
    Its not just about Asian teams. And sticking together does not mean do the PCB a favour and tour when we want.

    One thing that people have to accept here is that Bangladesh have no obligation to be the guinea pig that tours Pakistan no matter what. If the general consensus is that Pakistan is unsafe to tour, then Bangladesh have no more reason to tour than any other team.

    All the 'smaller' nations have to try and get the ICC to adopt a format where each team is obligated to play a fixed number of games against each other over a set period, and have a proper league system in place.

    The only way they can sell this is by proposing that selling a league competition has more value for every board than each board selling individual TV rights.

    I doubt this is the case...test cricket does not really lend itself to a league as it just takes too long. Nobody is interested in following a league which lasts 2-3 years. Also take into account that test cricket is a dying format, the casual fan probably watches more ODI and T20 cricket nowadays.

    So the status quo is set to continue....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahid87 View Post
    Its not just about Asian teams. And sticking together does not mean do the PCB a favour and tour when we want.

    One thing that people have to accept here is that Bangladesh have no obligation to be the guinea pig that tours Pakistan no matter what. If the general consensus is that Pakistan is unsafe to tour, then Bangladesh have no more reason to tour than any other team.

    All the 'smaller' nations have to try and get the ICC to adopt a format where each team is obligated to play a fixed number of games against each other over a set period, and have a proper league system in place.

    The only way they can sell this is by proposing that selling a league competition has more value for every board than each board selling individual TV rights.

    I doubt this is the case...test cricket does not really lend itself to a league as it just takes too long. Nobody is interested in following a league which lasts 2-3 years. Also take into account that test cricket is a dying format, the casual fan probably watches more ODI and T20 cricket nowadays.

    So the status quo is set to continue....
    You are not doing a "favour". Pakistan has already toured BD 3 times in a row. We need our home tour.

    And don't use guinea pig excuse when many international players have already played in Pakistan. Give us our home tour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    You are not doing a "favour". Pakistan has already toured BD 3 times in a row. We need our home tour.

    And don't use guinea pig excuse when many international players have already played in Pakistan. Give us our home tour.
    I don't think BCB is refusing a home series with Pakistan. They just don't want to play in Pakistan. I am sure they are willing play in the UAE.

    I think the PCB is being kind of duplicitous about this. Asking Ban. to play entire series in Pakistan but not requiring the same of other boards.

    By the way would the Ban series consist of tests, ODI's and T20's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    You are not doing a "favour". Pakistan has already toured BD 3 times in a row. We need our home tour.

    And don't use guinea pig excuse when many international players have already played in Pakistan. Give us our home tour.
    They will tour. Give them a series at same home for everyone else - the UAE. If that is not feasible because of costs, fine. Not the fault of the PCB or BCB, its just how it is.

    Just don't expect them to go to Pakistan when no one else will. That is not reasonable.

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    T20 tri-series a chance for Tigers

    Bangladesh's next cricket sojourn to Australia looms as T20 tri-series scheduled as preparation for the ICC World T20 tournament in 2020 after both nations agreed an out-of-season Test campaign later this year delivered few strategic bilateral benefits.

    Cricket Australia today confirmed reports that a two-Test, three-ODI series with Bangladesh that was included in the most recent iteration of the ICC's Future Tours Program for August-September this year will not proceed.

    Instead, discussions between CA and the Bangladesh Cricket Board resolved that the Tigers might be better served by a series of T20 internationals in late 2019 to help familiarise them with Australia conditions ahead of the World T20, having failed to win a match at the 2016 event in India.

    Those proposed Tests would likely have been staged at venues in northern Australia such as Darwin and Cairns, where Bangladesh played on their only Test visit to Australia to date (in July, 2003) and suffered defeats by more than an innings in both matches.

    Australia's tour to Bangladesh last year – where the Tigers have recorded six of the 10 Test victories they have notched in 106 matches since earning Test status in 2000 – ended in a 1-1 result after the hosts won the opening fixture in Dhaka.

    And although Tests played in northern Australia during the southern hemisphere winter have historically attracted small crowds and viewing audiences, CA refuted suggestions the decision not to proceed with the Bangladesh Tests this year was made on economic grounds.

    "The window allocated in the ICC FTP for Bangladesh to tour Australia in August this year has been postponed, by mutual agreement by both Cricket Australia and the Bangladesh Cricket Board," a CA spokesman said today.

    "Both countries agreed to postponing that tour to be better aligned ahead of the ICC World T20 in 2020 in Australia."

    It is understood that opportunity could come through a T20 tri-series such as Australia played with England and New Zealand earlier this year, and will take part in July against Pakistan and host nation Zimbabwe.

    Administrators worldwide are recognising that triangular T20 tournaments offer greater scheduling flexibility, competition and spectator appeal than some forms of bilateral programming, with Australia's upcoming Zimbabwe tour featuring six preliminary matches and a final within the space of a week.

    Under the current version of the ICC's Future Tours document, Australia's scheduled visit to Zimbabwe (where they have not played Test cricket since 1999) should feature a Test match and three ODIs.

    But such is the fluid nature of the TPP and the shifting priorities and circumstances for the 12 Test nations (now including Ireland and Afghanistan), the make-up of tours are regularly altered to maximise bilateral (or trilateral) benefits.

    While the ICC designs its FTP to try and schedule as many Test, ODI and T20 engagements (home and away) across a four-year cycle as well as factor in its own international tournaments, the final arbiter in agreeing to on-field commitments are the competing teams' administrative bodies.

    That was shown earlier this week then the Board of Control for Cricket in India advised CA they were not prepared to play the opening Test of next summer's Australia tour as a day-night match.

    It's that flexibility that also means the venues for Australia's scheduled two-Test series against Pakistan later this year remain unconfirmed, less than six months before the tour is due to begin in early October.

    It was expected that the series would be staged in the United Arab Emirates, where Pakistan has played a bulk of their 'home' Tests since a terror attack targeting the touring Sri Lanka team and match officials caused the abandonment of a match in Lahore in 2009.

    However, the Pakistan Cricket Board has recently indicated the growth of domestic competitions in the UAE and the accompanying demand for venues has meant Pakistan is looking at alternate locations at which to stage its 'home' fixtures.

    Malaysia is one of those alternatives reportedly being considered by the PCB, though CA has already stated that it is not prepared to play matches in Pakistan despite a number of international teams agreeing to return there for T20 fixtures in the recent past and near future.

    https://www.cricket.com.au/news/aust...icc/2018-05-10


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    BCB has voted against BCCI. Now both PCB and CA are refusing to host them. I'd say serves them right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    CA & PCB are in a bit different situation though - one is hosting IND, ENG in alternate years for 3 months and other trying to convince ZIM, WIN for 4/5 days trip.
    The poster you replied to is talking about hosting in UAE not Pakistan.

    PCB has no problems convincing anyone to tour UAE which is why they refuse to host Bangladesh there.

    On the other hand, like you said PCB struggle to get teams to visit Pakistan, which is why they go after teams like Zim/Win and BD for short trips to Pakistan.

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    lol..second biggest cricketing market in the world? yeah I'll believe it when I see it..try winning anything of note first..I mean lets be honest they just don't have the quality of cricketer that anyone would pay to see. Poor mans India..

    However I think this is disgraceful from CA. Why agree to something you know you could never deliver? The nations outside of the big 3 really need to sit down and look at how they can maximise their revenues. There are some potentially lucrative markets available if everyone plays their cards right.

    I would look at domestic cricket as an avenue where sri lanka pakistan and bangladesh can maximise potential. Perhaps an Asian T20 super competition or ODI competition that can get some revenue in..we need to think outside of the box..that gives me an idea for a thread..

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    The poster you replied to is talking about hosting in UAE not Pakistan.

    PCB has no problems convincing anyone to tour UAE which is why they refuse to host Bangladesh there.

    On the other hand, like you said PCB struggle to get teams to visit Pakistan, which is why they go after teams like Zim/Win and BD for short trips to Pakistan.
    This is the point though. The PCB should not act like a shark either, because at the end of the day, there are bigger sharks out there, and we leave ourselves vulnerable to them with this attitude.

    Better to band with Bangladesh, and find common cause to stick together rather than antagonise them, and be played individually by the big 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    lol..second biggest cricketing market in the world? yeah I'll believe it when I see it..try winning anything of note first..I mean lets be honest they just don't have the quality of cricketer that anyone would pay to see. Poor mans India..

    However I think this is disgraceful from CA. Why agree to something you know you could never deliver? The nations outside of the big 3 really need to sit down and look at how they can maximise their revenues. There are some potentially lucrative markets available if everyone plays their cards right.

    I would look at domestic cricket as an avenue where sri lanka pakistan and bangladesh can maximise potential. Perhaps an Asian T20 super competition or ODI competition that can get some revenue in..we need to think outside of the box..that gives me an idea for a thread..
    Nah.

    They would have tried to include in the television rights deal but I guess nobody wanted to pay enough money for it to cover the costs of hosting.


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    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zahid87 View Post
    This is the point though. The PCB should not act like a shark either, because at the end of the day, there are bigger sharks out there, and we leave ourselves vulnerable to them with this attitude.

    Better to band with Bangladesh, and find common cause to stick together rather than antagonise them, and be played individually by the big 3.
    BCB decisions are made by BCCI. This is the issue. They formed a bloc to destroy Pakistan cricket by isolating it.

    How did that work out?

    We are champions trophy holders, no 1 ranked T20 team and world is warming to us again. We will have the last laugh.

    Pakistan has supported both India and Bangladesh enough, we toured India for aane do series, toured BD 3 times. Gave our players to BPL.Got nothing back in return just more threats.

    No we don't want to play BD in UAE for a loss just to satisfy BD egos. Yes Pakistan is safe for asian teams to tour. Yes India must honor MOU which was in return for big 3 support and yes we need our home tour with BD.

    If BCB don't get this then enjoy getting humilated by western countries, just because you are told by BCCI what to do doesn't make you BCCI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    BCB decisions are made by BCCI. This is the issue. They formed a bloc to destroy Pakistan cricket by isolating it.

    How did that work out?

    We are champions trophy holders, no 1 ranked T20 team and world is warming to us again. We will have the last laugh.

    Pakistan has supported both India and Bangladesh enough, we toured India for aane do series, toured BD 3 times. Gave our players to BPL.Got nothing back in return just more threats.

    No we don't want to play BD in UAE for a loss just to satisfy BD egos. Yes Pakistan is safe for asian teams to tour. Yes India must honor MOU which was in return for big 3 support and yes we need our home tour with BD.

    If BCB don't get this then enjoy getting humilated by western countries, just because you are told by BCCI what to do doesn't make you BCCI.
    You have made so many assumptions to suit your own warped view.

    You cannot see BCB and BCCI as one entity. They have different interests and are run independently. BCB voted against BCCI recently in the vote to 'disarm' the big 3.

    When did anyone form a bloc to isolate the PCB. The only team that has not played the PCB is India. Every other team has been willing to play. No isolation.

    Pakistan being safe for Asian teams to tour - there is no distinction. Sri Lanka are an Asian team, and they were the ones that were targeted. You cannot say it is safe for one, and not for the other. Unsafe is unsafe. At the moment, not one team has found it safe to tour. Bangladesh have every right to find it unsafe too.

    You can have the home tour, I would think Bangladesh are even willing to host a 'home' tour for the PCB and give them a share of the revenues if its about money. If you want home to be home, then its a waiting game.

    And I will repeat, no point in laughing the BCB being 'humiliated', when you are next in line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    BCB decisions are made by BCCI. This is the issue. They formed a bloc to destroy Pakistan cricket by isolating it.

    How did that work out?

    We are champions trophy holders, no 1 ranked T20 team and world is warming to us again. We will have the last laugh.

    Pakistan has supported both India and Bangladesh enough, we toured India for aane do series, toured BD 3 times. Gave our players to BPL.Got nothing back in return just more threats.

    No we don't want to play BD in UAE for a loss just to satisfy BD egos. Yes Pakistan is safe for asian teams to tour. Yes India must honor MOU which was in return for big 3 support and yes we need our home tour with BD.

    If BCB don't get this then enjoy getting humilated by western countries, just because you are told by BCCI what to do doesn't make you BCCI.
    I would agree with you to an extent but also agree with @Zahid87

    we don't have a disastrous relationship with the BCB. It isnt at the BCCI type level and with some smart diplomacy we can perhaps help them out here with some reciprocation.

    I think we need to look at how we can help each other by leveraging the PSL and the BPL. Both are decent leagues and there is now money to be made.

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    Glad that this is happening to the Land of Shakib. It brings great pride to see the minnows being shown their true place.Hopefully this will make them more humble on the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Great Khan View Post
    I would agree with you to an extent but also agree with @Zahid87

    we don't have a disastrous relationship with the BCB. It isnt at the BCCI type level and with some smart diplomacy we can perhaps help them out here with some reciprocation.

    I think we need to look at how we can help each other by leveraging the PSL and the BPL. Both are decent leagues and there is now money to be made.
    I think this is a interesting idea. Integrating PSL, BPL and SPL could be beneficial to all. But a lot of outside the box thinking, market research and coordination needs to be done. Are the three boards capable of this?

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    Really surprised to see the bitterness of PAK posters here.

    CA cancelled the Test/ODI series for financial reason, which probably is easily explainable, after the financial hit they took from recent events. Still, it could have been some issue had it been cancelled, but as I mentioned in my initial post that they'll reschedule the tour, be it T20 format, but still better than cancellation. Any way, I am happy that no Aussie former Captain still didn't raise a question if BD should be invited in AUS on Cricket merit, rather than financial merit - that's worthy of a cricket competitor, hope it rings the bell somewhere.

    Regarding, PCB hosting BD in UAE is a laughable comparison to CA - beggars are not choosers. PAK is hosting SRL, WIN & NZ in UAE and as if making lots of money from there. The issue is simple - PCB thought themselves to be "Big Me", and tried to bully - BCB showed them, PCB's true worth - like, entire PAK players landed in BPL half way through their National T20, after Nazam Sethi's roar ...... just one example. It really shows the bankruptcy of self esteem, to see PAK posters taking a PRIDE for a deffered tour of BD by CA - a country that last toured PAK in last millennium - some self dignity is missing here.

    I think, a BD tour of PAK was quite possible - BCB needed and evidence for a legal battle to prove that PAK is safe for cricket perspective and a tour is possible. After 3 successful tours, it was only a matter of time - BUT, I doubt it'll happen now in near future. I myself isn't interested for any bilateral series with PAK, unless the next one is in BD and at least identical tour - 2 Tests, 5 ODIs & 2 T20s. Otherwise, I am perfectly OK with ICC or multi-nation tournaments - and, I won't mind 2 points either, if PAK gives walkover as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    The poster you replied to is talking about hosting in UAE not Pakistan.

    PCB has no problems convincing anyone to tour UAE which is why they refuse to host Bangladesh there.

    On the other hand, like you said PCB struggle to get teams to visit Pakistan, which is why they go after teams like Zim/Win and BD for short trips to Pakistan.
    Don't you see any problem in that statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_Track_Bully View Post
    This is for all those times you rejected PCB invites to Pakistan.

    Keep listening to BCCI and have fun.
    First come with an explanation of last tour cancellation by PCB, for absolutely no reason. That tour was pre-scheduled and in the mean time there hadn't been any issue to boycott that tour.

    I am sure you are having lots of fun watching that WIN & World XI playing PAK - you'll continue to have lots, lots of fun in coming days, if PCB keeps their double standard.

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    Very unprofessional from CA here, why agree on something when u know it will be disaster for the board.


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    Don't see us ascending from 7th/6th in the near future. 5-0 in England and South Africa awaits us, we will be lucky to even draw one match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Really surprised to see the bitterness of PAK posters here.

    CA cancelled the Test/ODI series for financial reason, which probably is easily explainable, after the financial hit they took from recent events. Still, it could have been some issue had it been cancelled, but as I mentioned in my initial post that they'll reschedule the tour, be it T20 format, but still better than cancellation. Any way, I am happy that no Aussie former Captain still didn't raise a question if BD should be invited in AUS on Cricket merit, rather than financial merit - that's worthy of a cricket competitor, hope it rings the bell somewhere.

    Regarding, PCB hosting BD in UAE is a laughable comparison to CA - beggars are not choosers. PAK is hosting SRL, WIN & NZ in UAE and as if making lots of money from there. The issue is simple - PCB thought themselves to be "Big Me", and tried to bully - BCB showed them, PCB's true worth - like, entire PAK players landed in BPL half way through their National T20, after Nazam Sethi's roar ...... just one example. It really shows the bankruptcy of self esteem, to see PAK posters taking a PRIDE for a deffered tour of BD by CA - a country that last toured PAK in last millennium - some self dignity is missing here.

    I think, a BD tour of PAK was quite possible - BCB needed and evidence for a legal battle to prove that PAK is safe for cricket perspective and a tour is possible. After 3 successful tours, it was only a matter of time - BUT, I doubt it'll happen now in near future. I myself isn't interested for any bilateral series with PAK, unless the next one is in BD and at least identical tour - 2 Tests, 5 ODIs & 2 T20s. Otherwise, I am perfectly OK with ICC or multi-nation tournaments - and, I won't mind 2 points either, if PAK gives walkover as such.
    Its not really the financial hit from the recent events.

    It was the tv rights deal.

    Foxtel, Seven and Nine are showing the AFL and NRL during the Australian winter. Because they had this on the weekends none of them were willing to pay money to broadcast a test series against Bangladesh instead.
    So with no tv money and minimal gate takings (matches would have to be held in Darwin (120,000 people) or Townsville/Cairns (both 150,000) due to weather and unavailable stadiums) it would have just lost money.
    I imagine the original hope was to get a broadcaster for it to cover the costs but that didn't eventuate.

    Really the best time would be October/November but we're already hosting South Africa then.


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    And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    CA & PCB are in a bit different situation though - one is hosting IND, ENG in alternate years for 3 months and other trying to convince ZIM, WIN for 4/5 days trip.
    Pakistan has hosted England, Australia, and NZ in the last 3 years. Got full tours of England, NZ, and Australia. Visiting England and SA again. Pakistan may be desperate to host international teams in Pakistan but not in the UAE.

    Think of it this way. When a child wishes to get a toy, her parents may not buy it because either they don't have enough funds or the toy is not worth the expenditure.

    I want Bangladesh to visit the UAE but probably the series is not financially feasible for the PCB. SL and WI are popular teams with a rich history. You can't compare them with Bangladesh. Same reason, Australia does not cancel their tours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Really surprised to see the bitterness of PAK posters here.

    CA cancelled the Test/ODI series for financial reason, which probably is easily explainable, after the financial hit they took from recent events. Still, it could have been some issue had it been cancelled, but as I mentioned in my initial post that they'll reschedule the tour, be it T20 format, but still better than cancellation. Any way, I am happy that no Aussie former Captain still didn't raise a question if BD should be invited in AUS on Cricket merit, rather than financial merit - that's worthy of a cricket competitor, hope it rings the bell somewhere.

    Regarding, PCB hosting BD in UAE is a laughable comparison to CA - beggars are not choosers. PAK is hosting SRL, WIN & NZ in UAE and as if making lots of money from there. The issue is simple - PCB thought themselves to be "Big Me", and tried to bully - BCB showed them, PCB's true worth - like, entire PAK players landed in BPL half way through their National T20, after Nazam Sethi's roar ...... just one example. It really shows the bankruptcy of self esteem, to see PAK posters taking a PRIDE for a deffered tour of BD by CA - a country that last toured PAK in last millennium - some self dignity is missing here.

    I think, a BD tour of PAK was quite possible - BCB needed and evidence for a legal battle to prove that PAK is safe for cricket perspective and a tour is possible. After 3 successful tours, it was only a matter of time - BUT, I doubt it'll happen now in near future. I myself isn't interested for any bilateral series with PAK, unless the next one is in BD and at least identical tour - 2 Tests, 5 ODIs & 2 T20s. Otherwise, I am perfectly OK with ICC or multi-nation tournaments - and, I won't mind 2 points either, if PAK gives walkover as such.
    POTW here, PCB should invite BCB in UAE just like every other team, maybe arrange for 2-3 T20Is at the end of tour in Pakistan. This is the diplomatic way instead of cancelling series and showing superiority complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Convict View Post
    Its not really the financial hit from the recent events.

    It was the tv rights deal.

    Foxtel, Seven and Nine are showing the AFL and NRL during the Australian winter. Because they had this on the weekends none of them were willing to pay money to broadcast a test series against Bangladesh instead.
    So with no tv money and minimal gate takings (matches would have to be held in Darwin (120,000 people) or Townsville/Cairns (both 150,000) due to weather and unavailable stadiums) it would have just lost money.
    I imagine the original hope was to get a broadcaster for it to cover the costs but that didn't eventuate.

    Really the best time would be October/November but we're already hosting South Africa then.
    I know all these facts few days back - it's actually is discussed between BCB & CA ........ one of the directors of BCB is actually my close relative, another one is family friend. Still, I am sure had the recent events not taken place at least an ODI tour could have been arranged, in smaller venues around Sydney; but as you said number of Bangladeshi diaspora in Darwin & Cairns you probably would be able to count with fingers of one hand CA has a packed schedule this winter, and a WC to come, therefore the last window (Late March for 2 weeks, around Shield Final) was also kept open, for a break for the players.

    I have no issues on this, because BCB has a very good relationship with CA - our entire cricket structure is re-engineered with support from CA/AUS, academy, coaching/groundstaf are trained in AUS. And, despite a major hit on westerners in July 2016, AUS toured BD within a year. I do understand the reality and the alternate isn't a bad option either - just disgusted with the shallowness of few posters here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I know all these facts few days back - it's actually is discussed between BCB & CA ........ one of the directors of BCB is actually my close relative, another one is family friend. Still, I am sure had the recent events not taken place at least an ODI tour could have been arranged, in smaller venues around Sydney; but as you said number of Bangladeshi diaspora in Darwin & Cairns you probably would be able to count with fingers of one hand CA has a packed schedule this winter, and a WC to come, therefore the last window (Late March for 2 weeks, around Shield Final) was also kept open, for a break for the players.

    I have no issues on this, because BCB has a very good relationship with CA - our entire cricket structure is re-engineered with support from CA/AUS, academy, coaching/groundstaf are trained in AUS. And, despite a major hit on westerners in July 2016, AUS toured BD within a year. I do understand the reality and the alternate isn't a bad option either - just disgusted with the shallowness of few posters here.
    Doesnt lack of Bangla diaspora causing the cancellation shows a much worst fact - that the aussie population is not interested to see Bangladesh in their country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Pakistan has hosted England, Australia, and NZ in the last 3 years. Got full tours of England, NZ, and Australia. Visiting England and SA again. Pakistan may be desperate to host international teams in Pakistan but not in the UAE.

    Think of it this way. When a child wishes to get a toy, her parents may not buy it because either they don't have enough funds or the toy is not worth the expenditure.

    I want Bangladesh to visit the UAE but probably the series is not financially feasible for the PCB. SL and WI are popular teams with a rich history. You can't compare them with Bangladesh. Same reason, Australia does not cancel their tours.
    Your entire statement is self - contradictory. In one way you are saying financial reasons, other way you are saying hosting SL/WIN can't be compared because despite financial losses, they are excepted for rich history and popularity (though their cricket has gone below BD gradually).

    Anyway, I have no issues with self boycotting PAK-BD tours - long may it live until PAK tours BD. BCB won't go bankrupt for that $10-12mn unearned revenue, but PCB has dug more more hole for no reasons - one day it'll hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Really surprised to see the bitterness of PAK posters here.

    CA cancelled the Test/ODI series for financial reason, which probably is easily explainable, after the financial hit they took from recent events. Still, it could have been some issue had it been cancelled, but as I mentioned in my initial post that they'll reschedule the tour, be it T20 format, but still better than cancellation. Any way, I am happy that no Aussie former Captain still didn't raise a question if BD should be invited in AUS on Cricket merit, rather than financial merit - that's worthy of a cricket competitor, hope it rings the bell somewhere.

    Regarding, PCB hosting BD in UAE is a laughable comparison to CA - beggars are not choosers. PAK is hosting SRL, WIN & NZ in UAE and as if making lots of money from there. The issue is simple - PCB thought themselves to be "Big Me", and tried to bully - BCB showed them, PCB's true worth - like, entire PAK players landed in BPL half way through their National T20, after Nazam Sethi's roar ...... just one example. It really shows the bankruptcy of self esteem, to see PAK posters taking a PRIDE for a deffered tour of BD by CA - a country that last toured PAK in last millennium - some self dignity is missing here.

    I think, a BD tour of PAK was quite possible - BCB needed and evidence for a legal battle to prove that PAK is safe for cricket perspective and a tour is possible. After 3 successful tours, it was only a matter of time - BUT, I doubt it'll happen now in near future. I myself isn't interested for any bilateral series with PAK, unless the next one is in BD and at least identical tour - 2 Tests, 5 ODIs & 2 T20s. Otherwise, I am perfectly OK with ICC or multi-nation tournaments - and, I won't mind 2 points either, if PAK gives walkover as such.

    I hear Nepal is free in that period ... bcb should get in there quick before they lose that opportunity ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Doesnt lack of Bangla diaspora causing the cancellation shows a much worst fact - that the aussie population is not interested to see Bangladesh in their country?
    It's Bangladesh, not Bangla.

    Aussies have better teams to watch, hence they have alternates. Besides, AUS is a sports superpower - good in at least 5/6 global sports, which demands a tight schedule for broadcasters. There is soccer, Aussie rules, Rugby, golf, Tennis, Field hockey, Basketball, Horse racing, Auto Racing and Cricket to share the 12 months - not only BD, CA'll struggle to find broadcasters in off season for cricket for few other teams as well. I have lived in that country - Aussies are crazy about their sports and good at almost anything they touch - even now Neil Robertson is running his show in snooker.

    Also, you might have missed my earlier post - beggars are not choosers, and Aussies are definitely not beggars in cricket administration; they can schedule their calendar on their own - at least they won't host someone despite a financial loss, they don't need to, like some other Boards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    I hear Nepal is free in that period ... bcb should get in there quick before they lose that opportunity ....
    Can be a good option indeed - Nepal is an ODI status team now. Also, Ireland can be another option - they are Test team now and going to play their 1st Test tomorrow

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    Can be a good option indeed - Nepal is an ODI status team now. Also, Ireland can be another option - they are Test team now and going to play their 1st Test tomorrow
    Indeed Ireland could be option, but do they have money to waste next year? Every penny counts....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Indeed Ireland could be option, but do they have money to waste next year? Every penny counts....
    Why you are so racist - you think Nepalese are inferior to Irish, that they can waste money? Every penny counts indeed - Ian Chappel did remind that in open air ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Your entire statement is self - contradictory. In one way you are saying financial reasons, other way you are saying hosting SL/WIN can't be compared because despite financial losses, they are excepted for rich history and popularity (though their cricket has gone below BD gradually).

    Anyway, I have no issues with self boycotting PAK-BD tours - long may it live until PAK tours BD. BCB won't go bankrupt for that $10-12mn unearned revenue, but PCB has dug more more hole for no reasons - one day it'll hurt.
    I don't see any contradiction. Perhaps you are too upset to comprehend it. First you mixed up hosting in the UAE with hosting in Pakistan and now this.

    PCB is willing to host SL and WI in the UAE because casual viewers will tune in to watch those teams. That's the perception at least. People still think of Jayasuriya, Lara, etc when these teams are mentioned.

    On the other hand, Bangladesh have won just one ODI series against Pakistan in the last 15 years. You don't have any Lara's or Jayasuriya's to attract viewers. It's a bitter truth but most casual fans still consider Bangladesh a minnow team.

    Bangladesh is a far better team, I agree as someone who is a cricket nerd. Hoewever, you need to win something significant to change the perception of a casual fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    I don't see any contradiction. Perhaps you are too upset to comprehend it. First you mixed up hosting in the UAE with hosting in Pakistan and now this.

    PCB is willing to host SL and WI in the UAE because casual viewers will tune in to watch those teams. That's the perception at least. People still think of Jayasuriya, Lara, etc when these teams are mentioned.

    On the other hand, Bangladesh have won just one ODI series against Pakistan in the last 15 years. You don't have any Lara's or Jayasuriya's to attract viewers. It's a bitter truth but most casual fans still consider Bangladesh a minnow team.

    Bangladesh is a far better team, I agree as someone who is a cricket nerd. Hoewever, you need to win something significant to change the perception of a casual fan.
    Financially it's absolutely no excuse. Last year, almost entire on field branding, title sponsorship of NZ-BD, SRL-BD and BD Tour of Ireland came from Bangladesh, even SAF-BD tour was sponsored by BD brands; therefore PCB's stand on financial viability is a poor logic. Gate money is nothing for PCB - even when Lara & Sanath were active, UAE venues didn't host more crowds than the runs scored in a Test match there. It's broadcasting money, and that'll come from BD - in US dollars.

    If still PAK viewers take the satisfaction of recalling Lara & Sanath from watching Jason Mohammed, then it's their bad taste - BD or BCB can't help here. There are BD players playing in PSL and BD players toured PAK as part of world XI - which should be enough to change their taste.

    I don't understand, why sensible people can't accept the simple fact here - PCB tried to bully BCB in hosting BD team in PAK, BCB simply called the bluff. For a face saving act, from false bravado, PCB cancelled BD tour for absolutely no reason - which has brought us into such a stand. And, it'll end like the Bangladesh Pauper League - every PAK player came within couple of weeks to taste Bangladeshi fish, and your big mouth Chairman kept silent this time. The relationship with BCB-PCB has nothing to do with PAK or IND - it's entirely financial, last time BCB went against BCCI, simply because net-net it's more beneficiary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Why you are so racist - you think Nepalese are inferior to Irish, that they can waste money? Every penny counts indeed - Ian Chappel did remind that in open air ......
    Didn't take you long to throw the racist word around.....

    Hosting costs for Ireland are far greater than Nepal.

    God is very quick these days..... to borrow the phrase from captain blackadder.

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    Pathetic decision from CA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Didn't take you long to throw the racist word around.....

    Hosting costs for Ireland are far greater than Nepal.

    God is very quick these days..... to borrow the phrase from captain blackadder.
    Good, Ian Chapel one did served it's purpose.

    Coming to financials, do some educating on economic facts & figures and come back to talk - that'll keep you modest, as your grasp is getting exposed with every line. Obviously, you know the costing part because of experience I believe, but what your grasp couldn't reach is the earning part, for a first world country with one of the highest per capita GDP in world vs Nepal.

    I suggest, keep your cards close to your chest in these regards, otherwise, it'll end like last time, when you had to hide for few weeks, after all your players landed to play in your Bangladesh Pauper League, as you may recall......

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    Quote Originally Posted by USofA View Post
    I think this is a interesting idea. Integrating PSL, BPL and SPL could be beneficial to all. But a lot of outside the box thinking, market research and coordination needs to be done. Are the three boards capable of this?
    Im not talking about integration I mean a collaboration perhaps a tournament or inter regional cup competition played in between the three leagues..


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