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    Militants from Pakistan attacked Mumbai: Nawaz Sharif claims in latest interview

    https://www.khaleejtimes.com/interna...-mumbai-sharif

    Militants from Pakistan 'crossed' into India to attack Mumbai in 2008 and massacre 166 Indians and foreigners, former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said in remarks published on Saturday.

    "Militant organisations are active (in Pakistan)," Sharif told the Dawn newspaper in an interview.

    "Call them non-state actors, should we allow them to cross the border and kill 150 people in Mumbai? Explain it to me," he asked, in a clear reference to the Mumbai killings blamed on 10 Pakistani terrorists. One of them was caught and hanged.

    "Why can't we complete the trial?" Sharif asked, referring to the masterminds of the Mumbai massacre.

    The Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba was blamed for the attack.

    "It's absolutely unacceptable. This is exactly what we are struggling for. President (Vladimir) Putin has said it.

    President Xi (Jinping) has said it," Sharif said.

    Sharif, who was deposed following corruption charges, said ahead of a public rally in Multan in Punjab: "You can't run a country if you have two or three parallel governments. This has to stop. There can only be one government: the constitutional one."

    Asked why he was ousted from public office, Sharif did not reply directly but steered the conversation towards foreign policy and national security, the Dawn reported.

    "We have isolated ourselves. Despite giving sacrifices, our narrative is not being accepted. Afghanistan's narrative is being accepted, but ours is not. We must look into it."

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    Dawn Leaks 2.0, Same Newspaper, Same Journalist, Same Party and Leader

    Look who is talking now! he is the leader of a party known for having strong links with banned militant orgs!

    Nawaz knows he is history now and there is no chance of him coming back so trying his best to blackmail Army to get a safe exit from establishment. Bhai money trail de apne corruption ke pese ki or baat khatam it's been 2 freaking years and he is unable to produce any trail except a qatari letter and forged docs?

    NOORE YOU ARE HISTORY AND YOU ARE SECURITY RISK NOW!

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    Wow even i never knew he would stoop so low in his fight to save his looted empire.

    Dawn2 all over again, i have no mercy for him now. Hopefully the corrupt idiot will rot in jail for rest of his life, no one is going to give him safe exit now, looks like he is looking towards international forces to put pressure on Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    Wow even i never knew he would stoop so low in his fight to save his looted empire.

    Dawn2 all over again, i have no mercy for him now. Hopefully the corrupt idiot will rot in jail for rest of his life, no one is going to give him safe exit now, looks like he is looking towards international forces to put pressure on Pakistan.
    People are already showing middle finger to him for blaming army everything to save his back instead of showing any trail to prove his innocence. Army told him to do corruption and make billions?

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    The whole world knows it. Its a shame that the Pakistani public has failed to recognize the misadventures of people within them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    Wow even i never knew he would stoop so low in his fight to save his looted empire.

    Dawn2 all over again, i have no mercy for him now. Hopefully the corrupt idiot will rot in jail for rest of his life, no one is going to give him safe exit now, looks like he is looking towards international forces to put pressure on Pakistan.
    This is what is wrong with entire Pakistan. This whole post is upset about someone spilling the beans. No thoughts/concerns on bringing justice to a cross border terrorist activity from within Pakistan. This is called abatement and sympathy for terrorism. This mentality is what correctly reflects your position & situation in the world order and treatment.
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    Some are more bothered about internal politics than an actual act of terrorism (which the whole world knows about).

    Obviously Nawaz is being opportunistic here but hey its the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Some are more bothered about internal politics than an actual act of terrorism (which the whole world knows about).

    Obviously Nawaz is being opportunistic here but hey its the truth.
    NS is looking for the Ind and Americans to save him. Have you heard a single word from him on Yadav? Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bond View Post
    This is what is wrong with entire Pakistan. This whole post is upset about someone spilling the beans. No thoughts/concerns on bringing justice to a cross border terrorist activity from within Pakistan. This is called abatement and sympathy for terrorism. This mentality is what correctly reflects your position & situation in the world order and treatment.
    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Some are more bothered about internal politics than an actual act of terrorism.

    Thankfully the whole world knows about it.

    Obviously Nawaz is being opportunistic here but hey its the truth.
    Naivety.

    CIA has backed dictators and carried out assasinations on foreign soil.

    Do former American presidents come out and go against the national narrative that they are bringing freedom to people?

    How many Indian prime ministers will come forth and apologize for the raping, maiming, murdering or thousands of innocent Kashmiris?

    Its not a question of right or wrong, every country has dirt on their hands. If you guys think Indians, Americans, Israelis, Saudis, etc... are all innocent then you must live in lala land. However, their former Prime ministers or presidents dont go around doing badnami for their country just to cling on to power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Some are more bothered about internal politics than an actual act of terrorism (which the whole world knows about).

    Obviously Nawaz is being opportunistic here but hey its the truth.
    The problem here isn't the act of terrorism etc. under question. The problem here is this is the guy who was Prime Minister of the said country like about 12 months ago. If he is so powerless, shouldn't be running the country in the first place. It's not as if he hasn't got billions of rupees stashed all over the world for nothing.


    it's written. an akmal will never be a hero.

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    Terror groups should never be allowed on any soil, against anyone. The whole idea of one mans terrorist is other mans freedom fighter does not work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoUgandaCranes View Post
    The problem here isn't the act of terrorism etc. under question. The problem here is this is the guy who was Prime Minister of the said country like about 12 months ago. If he is so powerless, shouldn't be running the country in the first place. It's not as if he hasn't got billions of rupees stashed all over the world for nothing.
    He is powerless cos the system is powerless. Speaking out is pointless. This is not to say he would hav spoken out if he were PM. He wouldnt hav.

    Pak army runs a nice scam and its gonna stay that way for the forseeable future.

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    Also money is not power.

    Not necessarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackanhyellow View Post
    Naivety.

    CIA has backed dictators and carried out assasinations on foreign soil.

    Do former American presidents come out and go against the national narrative that they are bringing freedom to people?

    How many Indian prime ministers will come forth and apologize for the raping, maiming, murdering or thousands of innocent Kashmiris?

    Its not a question of right or wrong, every country has dirt on their hands. If you guys think Indians, Americans, Israelis, Saudis, etc... are all innocent then you must live in lala land. However, their former Prime ministers or presidents dont go around doing badnami for their country just to cling on to power.
    The posts you quoted were about reaction of posters. Not action of authorities.

    So you are going off tangent.

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    Arnab must be dancing on the streets of Mumbai tonight.

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    Arnab is an idiot and a paid bootlicker but yeah he will hav fun with this.

    Attack mode lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    He is powerless cos the system is powerless. Speaking out is pointless. This is not to say he would hav spoken out if he were PM. He wouldnt hav.

    Pak army runs a nice scam and its gonna stay that way for the forseeable future.
    Action speaks louder than words. His party always had support of these militant orgs. Also check what i posted below from wikileaks

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/84443/w...mpression=true

    WikiLeaks: Helping the Lashkars

    A cable release alleges that the PML-N government in Punjab helped Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) ‘evade’ United Nations (UN) Sanctions right after the Mumbai 26/11 attacks.

    President Asif Ali Zardari, speaking to former US Ambassador Anne Patterson, had alleged that Shahbaz Sharif had tipped off the LeT about UN sanctions, which gave the banned outfit a chance to empty its bank account before a raid or freeze. The cable goes on to say that President Zardari expressed his ‘frustration’ with the move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Action speaks louder than words. His party always had support of these militant orgs. Also check what i posted below from wikileaks

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/84443/w...mpression=true
    Bhai who said nawaz was a pure soul?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    He is powerless cos the system is powerless. Speaking out is pointless. This is not to say he would hav spoken out if he were PM. He wouldnt hav.

    Pak army runs a nice scam and its gonna stay that way for the forseeable future.
    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Also money is not power.

    Not necessarily.
    Ok, so being in power isn't power and money doesn't get him power either so why would he want to remain in power?


    it's written. an akmal will never be a hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoUgandaCranes View Post
    Ok, so being in power isn't power and money doesn't get him power either so why would he want to remain in power?
    Being in power gives status and money.

    Also its not like he is a dummy PM. Just isnt bigger than army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mian View Post
    Action speaks louder than words. His party always had support of these militant orgs. Also check what i posted below from wikileaks

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/84443/w...mpression=true
    Yeah i just looked up.

    He was the opposition leader at that time.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...acks-sanctions

    I am curious to know the reasoning though.

    He was a snake all along.

    Dunno why some Indians like him lol.

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    And this is news, how?

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    Seems like US officials weren't sure whether he did it but someone warned the outfits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Yeah i just looked up.

    He was the opposition leader at that time.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...acks-sanctions

    I am curious to know the reasoning though.

    He was a snake all along.

    Dunno why some Indians like him lol.
    Not just opposition leader his party was ruling in Punjab the biggest province of Pak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    The posts you quoted were about reaction of posters. Not action of authorities.

    So you are going off tangent.
    Yes I am explaining why posters were against his statements.

    No self respecting PM or President makes remarks against their nation's narrative like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bond View Post
    This is what is wrong with entire Pakistan. This whole post is upset about someone spilling the beans. No thoughts/concerns on bringing justice to a cross border terrorist activity from within Pakistan. This is called abatement and sympathy for terrorism. This mentality is what correctly reflects your position & situation in the world order and treatment.
    Lol at an Indian giving such a lecture and talking about something that is wrong with another country...

    Irony is a concept you dont seem to be familiar with it seems
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    #MPGA

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackanhyellow View Post
    Yes I am explaining why posters were against his statements.

    No self respecting PM or President makes remarks against their nation's narrative like this.
    And i was explaining why that is unfortunate considering the gravity of the issue at hand.

    Your fundamental point is well understood.

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    Good way to get back in to power. Try to create civil unrest and a fight between army and it's people.


    PP's own self proclaimed sharpshooter and defender of Islam and Pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Some are more bothered about internal politics than an actual act of terrorism (which the whole world knows about).

    Obviously Nawaz is being opportunistic here but hey its the truth.
    The whole world knew about this 10 years ago, so it isn't really a surprise. So they might as well talk about their internal political issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slog View Post
    Lol at an Indian giving such a lecture and talking about something that is wrong with another country...

    Irony is a concept you dont seem to be familiar with it seems
    Please explain the irony. India is a well functioning country that doesn't promote terrorism or insurgency in other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    Please explain the irony. India is a well functioning country that doesn't promote terrorism or insurgency in other countries.
    History shows otherwise. But okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    Please explain the irony. India is a well functioning country that doesn't promote terrorism or insurgency in other countries.
    Irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    Please explain the irony. India is a well functioning country that doesn't promote terrorism or insurgency in other countries.
    So it's ok to butcher, blind and oppress people in your "own" country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    So it's ok to butcher, blind and oppress people in your "own" country?
    Yes, it is okay to take such action against militants. But that's besides the point.

    No need to put the quotation marks around "own". J&K is a part of India and no matter how much you wish otherwise, it isn't going to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    Yes, it is okay to take such action against militants. But that's besides the point.

    No need to put the quotation marks around "own". J&K is a part of India and no matter how much you wish otherwise, it isn't going to change.
    What I wish doesn't matter but surely the opinion of people living their matters, doesn't it? Militants? Young children were blinded, were they also militants? https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-mass-blinding

    It's shocking how nationalism can turn seemingly normal people into cold hearted individuals who are OK with kids being tortured and killed, just because they went against "their" country. This isn't limited to just India, unfortunately this disease exists in many places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackanhyellow View Post
    Naivety.

    CIA has backed dictators and carried out assasinations on foreign soil.

    Do former American presidents come out and go against the national narrative that they are bringing freedom to people?

    How many Indian prime ministers will come forth and apologize for the raping, maiming, murdering or thousands of innocent Kashmiris?

    Its not a question of right or wrong, every country has dirt on their hands. If you guys think Indians, Americans, Israelis, Saudis, etc... are all innocent then you must live in lala land. However, their former Prime ministers or presidents dont go around doing badnami for their country just to cling on to power.
    Agree with all you said - for a politician and govt. But you and the other posters here are not politicians.

    Killing of innocents civilians (not even in a collateral sense) is not justified anywhere, anytime. The least, a normal pakistani civilian can do is to atleast condemn such activities.

    Re: Dirt on Indian govt
    If it is ever substantiated about acts of terrorism against innocent civilians by Indian govt, you can count on most Indian society to condemn and oppose that. Indian forces are present in Kashmir to maintain order against local unrest abated by external forces. Indian armed forces are not given a license to shoot and loot unprovoked civilians. None of acts of human riots violation (which have happened but not nearly as much as you are fed to believe) are let go or ignored by Indian media or supported by indian public. If tomorrow my army chief or PM comes out in open about such incidences, I would be more sorry about those crimes than bad rep for India.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bond View Post
    Agree with all you said - for a politician and govt. But you and the other posters here are not politicians.

    Killing of innocents civilians (not even in a collateral sense) is not justified anywhere, anytime. The least, a normal pakistani civilian can do is to atleast condemn such activities.

    Re: Dirt on Indian govt
    If it is ever substantiated about acts of terrorism against innocent civilians by Indian govt, you can count on most Indian society to condemn and oppose that. Indian forces are present in Kashmir to maintain order against local unrest abated by external forces. Indian armed forces are not given a license to shoot and loot unprovoked civilians. None of acts of human riots violation (which have happened but not nearly as much as you are fed to believe) are let go or ignored by Indian media or supported by indian public. If tomorrow my army chief or PM comes out in open about such incidences, I would be more sorry about those crimes than bad rep for India.
    Didn't an Indian army officer get promoted even after he tied a person in front of a jeep to use as a human shield?

    Do you consider using civilians as human shield on moving cars to be a human rights violation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Generico View Post
    Didn't an Indian army officer get promoted even after he tied a person in front of a jeep to use as a human shield?

    Do you consider using civilians as human shield on moving cars to be a human rights violation?
    That army official had enough ammo to counter the stone pelters. That person swallowed his pride, used his judgement to avoid loss of innocent lives. So sorry, the point is counter to your argument.

    Any other armed force in the world (again, any) would have fired at the mob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bond View Post
    That army official had enough ammo to counter the stone pelters. That person swallowed his pride, used his judgement to avoid loss of innocent lives. So sorry, the point is counter to your argument.

    Any other armed force in the world (again, any) would have fired at the mob.
    Using an innocent person as a human shield is torture and flat out human rights abuse no matter what way you spin it. Even the worst criminals can find some twisted justification for what they do, doesn't make it right. You really believe using a human shield was done to save innocent lives? It was a show and misuse of power.

    In your earlier post, you said you would speak up if your army committed human right abuse but here you are making excuses and actually applauding the man who committed the atrocity. I guess that makes you a great patriot!

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    I see the usual whataboutery and lack of acceptance of the fact that Pakistan has been shamelessly promoting terrorism.

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    You kill innocent Kashmiris but when your own die you cry for years. Learn to play the game of Proxy war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegitto1 View Post
    Shame we didn’t send more then. anything go support the Kashmiri cause.

    You kill innocent Kashmiris but when your own die you cry for years. Learn to play the game of Proxy war.
    Who is stopping you to volunteer for this noble cause?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    Please explain the irony. India is a well functioning country that doesn't promote terrorism or insurgency in other countries.
    Was Yadav on a family outing in Baluchistan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    Yes, it is okay to take such action against militants. But that's besides the point.

    No need to put the quotation marks around "own". J&K is a part of India and no matter how much you wish otherwise, it isn't going to change.
    Who are the millitants, the occupiers or the occupied?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LastManstanding View Post
    Who is stopping you to volunteer for this noble cause?
    They are doing it others are aware of it that's why international community prefers to stay away from this mess.

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    Wow I'm shocked at the responses in this thread even though I know how biased some Pakistanis can be. I am Nawazs biggest critic and a pti supporter but I must admit he hasn't said anything wrong here and should actually be praised for admitting the problem. It's pretty well known that the attack was carried out by pakistanis and the evidence is irrefutable. They even interviewed people from the pakistani village where one of the terrorists lived and they confirmed his identity

    Admitting there is a problem is the first step in solving it and that is exactly what we should do regarding pakistani terrorism

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    Quote Originally Posted by bond View Post
    This is what is wrong with entire Pakistan. This whole post is upset about someone spilling the beans. No thoughts/concerns on bringing justice to a cross border terrorist activity from within Pakistan. This is called abatement and sympathy for terrorism. This mentality is what correctly reflects your position & situation in the world order and treatment.
    Did you bother to understand what i said? There could've been non state actors and no proof that state was involved and this is what this loser is trying to say is that we intentionally let these people attack another country.
    Same loser couldn't utter a word about Kalbhushan who was also arrested for same crime as these non state actors, only difference is he was sent by Indian intelligence and was ex naval officer. Indians have been very proud of him but haven't seen any Pakistani feeling sorry for anyone who killed innocent people in India so don't try to be over smart. I hope both Ajmal Kasab and Kalbhushan rot in hell as i have no sympathy for anyone who has killed innocent people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Was Yadav on a family outing in Baluchistan?
    He was abducted in Iran where he was doing business according to India. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that he is an Indian agent or a terrorist. And no....I don't count confessions obtained via extreme torture as proof. Any human being will admit to any crime despite being innocent once they reach breaking point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waseem View Post
    Did you bother to understand what i said? There could've been non state actors and no proof that state was involved and this is what this loser is trying to say is that we intentionally let these people attack another country.
    Same loser couldn't utter a word about Kalbhushan who was also arrested for same crime as these non state actors, only difference is he was sent by Indian intelligence and was ex naval officer. Indians have been very proud of him but haven't seen any Pakistani feeling sorry for anyone who killed innocent people in India so don't try to be over smart. I hope both Ajmal Kasab and Kalbhushan rot in hell as i have no sympathy for anyone who has killed innocent people
    There is absolutely no proof that jadhav is an Indian agent or terrorist. He was abducted in Iran where he was doing business according to the Indians. And no...like I said before I don't count confessions obtained via torture as proof. Any human being would confess to any crime despite innocence when they reach breaking point.

    On the other hand the evidence for the mumbai attacks being commited by Pakistanis is irrefutable.

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    The PTI supporters and other boot-lickers are least bit concerned about NS exposing the Pakistani "narrative" on Mumbai, which the entire world has rejected, and which they know deep down is grabage.

    What they want to achieve is to portray NS as a 'security threat', 'traitor' yada yada and pit him against the army. They tried similar trick last week by trying to establish a link b/w NS and huge sum of money being sent to India from Pak...the cake was still dripping from their face that they come up with this ploy. I call it the legacy of Dr. Shahid Masood...creating civil-military discord to further one's nefarious goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkb101277867 View Post
    There is absolutely no proof that jadhav is an Indian agent or terrorist. He was abducted in Iran where he was doing business according to the Indians. And no...like I said before I don't count confessions obtained via torture as proof. Any human being would confess to any crime despite innocence when they reach breaking point.

    On the other hand the evidence for the mumbai attacks being commited by Pakistanis is irrefutable.
    There is absolute no proof that jhadav was abducted and their is absolute no proof he was tortured. If you have it then provide other wise you’re wasting everyone’s time and data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendInzi View Post
    The PTI supporters and other boot-lickers are least bit concerned about NS exposing the Pakistani "narrative" on Mumbai, which the entire world has rejected, and which they know deep down is grabage.

    What they want to achieve is to portray NS as a 'security threat', 'traitor' yada yada and pit him against the army. They tried similar trick last week by trying to establish a link b/w NS and huge sum of money being sent to India from Pak...the cake was still dripping from their face that they come up with this ploy. I call it the legacy of Dr. Shahid Masood...creating civil-military discord to further one's nefarious goals.
    Hahaha, if what Nawaz Sharif is saying is true, it is five year's too late. Should have taken action as head of state. But ofcourse, Nawaz Sharif's supporters will ignore his hypocrisy just to support him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendInzi View Post
    The PTI supporters and other boot-lickers are least bit concerned about NS exposing the Pakistani "narrative" on Mumbai, which the entire world has rejected, and which they know deep down is grabage.

    What they want to achieve is to portray NS as a 'security threat', 'traitor' yada yada and pit him against the army. They tried similar trick last week by trying to establish a link b/w NS and huge sum of money being sent to India from Pak...the cake was still dripping from their face that they come up with this ploy. I call it the legacy of Dr. Shahid Masood...creating civil-military discord to further one's nefarious goals.
    Who is NS loyal to? I look forward to explanation on why he has never said a single word on Yadav.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendInzi View Post
    The PTI supporters and other boot-lickers are least bit concerned about NS exposing the Pakistani "narrative" on Mumbai, which the entire world has rejected, and which they know deep down is grabage.

    What they want to achieve is to portray NS as a 'security threat', 'traitor' yada yada and pit him against the army. They tried similar trick last week by trying to establish a link b/w NS and huge sum of money being sent to India from Pak...the cake was still dripping from their face that they come up with this ploy. I call it the legacy of Dr. Shahid Masood...creating civil-military discord to further one's nefarious goals.
    So answer me this.

    Nawaz Sharif, complicit through his silence whilst in Government, is a terrorist?

    Agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkb101277867 View Post
    There is absolutely no proof that jadhav is an Indian agent or terrorist. He was abducted in Iran where he was doing business according to the Indians. And no...like I said before I don't count confessions obtained via torture as proof. Any human being would confess to any crime despite innocence when they reach breaking point.

    On the other hand the evidence for the mumbai attacks being commited by Pakistanis is irrefutable.
    Yes off course he isnt and thats why the Inds are fretting.

    http://www.india.com/news/india/raw-...ption-1063063/

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkb101277867 View Post
    Wow I'm shocked at the responses in this thread even though I know how biased some Pakistanis can be. I am Nawazs biggest critic and a pti supporter but I must admit he hasn't said anything wrong here and should actually be praised for admitting the problem. It's pretty well known that the attack was carried out by pakistanis and the evidence is irrefutable. They even interviewed people from the pakistani village where one of the terrorists lived and they confirmed his identity

    Admitting there is a problem is the first step in solving it and that is exactly what we should do regarding pakistani terrorism
    If you are already Nawaz’s biggest critic then surely now you would want nothing less then his jailing or even a public hanging? Right?

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    He spoke the truth. The fact is that we instigated the Mumbai attacks, wearing blinkers and living in denial will not change the reality. The whole world knows the truth but we have chosen to live in our own bubble.

    However, I don't think Nawaz should have said what he said. He sounds very desperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bond View Post
    That army official had enough ammo to counter the stone pelters. That person swallowed his pride, used his judgement to avoid loss of innocent lives. So sorry, the point is counter to your argument.

    Any other armed force in the world (again, any) would have fired at the mob.
    Doesn't make his actions right.

    Yes i know its easy to be idealistic sitting in our homes but he used an innocent man as shield.

    Its better to shoot stone pelters than use an innocent as shield.

    Laws are designed to protect innocent first and only then go after guilty.

    His behavior was unacceptable.
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    Nawaz Shareefs indianes is coming out so no surprise and big lol that Jadhav was abducted from Iran someone can make a good bollywood story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkb101277867 View Post
    He was abducted in Iran where he was doing business according to India. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that he is an Indian agent or a terrorist. And no....I don't count confessions obtained via extreme torture as proof. Any human being will admit to any crime despite being innocent once they reach breaking point.
    I long suspected you were Indian, thank you for confirming it.

    Another one on the ignore list!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    So answer me this.

    Nawaz Sharif, complicit through his silence whilst in Government, is a terrorist?

    Agree?
    Quote Originally Posted by S_haq View Post
    Hahaha, if what Nawaz Sharif is saying is true, it is five year's too late. Should have taken action as head of state. But ofcourse, Nawaz Sharif's supporters will ignore his hypocrisy just to support him.
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    Surprise, surprise...this is what the entire Dawn Leaks was all about. And you know then how our military got sensitive and threw their toys out of the pram.

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    Indian govt biggest obstacle in Mumbai attacks trial, says Nisar following Nawaz's question

    Former interior minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan on Sunday stressed that the uncooperative attitude and stubbornness of the Indian government has been the biggest obstacle in the Mumbai terror attacks trial reaching a conclusion.

    Nisar's comments comes in the wake of a statement by ousted prime minister Nawaz Sharif that has been spun by the Indian media as a tacit admission of Pakistan's involvement in the 2008 attacks that left 166 people dead.

    In an exclusive interview with Dawn on Friday, Sharif had criticised the apparent delay in the conclusion of the Mumbai attacks trial.

    “Militant organisations are active. Call them non-state actors, should we allow them to cross the border and kill 150 people in Mumbai? Explain it to me. Why can’t we complete the trial?” Sharif had asked in the interview.


    Criticising the country's foreign policy, Sharif had added: “We have isolated ourselves. Despite giving sacrifices, our narrative is not being accepted. Afghanistan’s narrative is being accepted, but ours is not. We must look into it.”

    Nisar, in a statement issued on Sunday on "Nawaz's statements and the Indian media's reaction", emphasised that the Indian government was to blame for the hold-up in the Mumbai attacks trial.

    "I say with full responsibility that the delay and slow pace of the Mumbai attacks-related case in Pakistan was not Pakistan's doing but was a result of non-cooperation and stubbornness by India," said the disgruntled PML-N member.

    Nisar, under whose watch the Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) was investigating the Mumbai attacks, said that since the assault took place in the Indian financial capital, it was the Indian government which possessed "90 per cent of the evidence and facts" of the incident.

    Despite repeated efforts, India refused to share those facts and evidence with FIA and the investigative committee formed by Pakistani courts, he claimed.

    According to Nisar, there was no bigger evidence of the Indian government's lack of interest in taking the case to its end than its refusal to allow FIA to question the only living proof of the attacks: Ajmal Kasab.

    "In a country where cases concerning capital punishment face years of delays, the only proof in a very important case was sent to the gallows in extreme haste to take him away from the public eye and close the door before facts became public."

    Kasab was hanged in such haste, Nisar said, so that the Mumbai attacks could be used as a tool for "Pakistan bashing" across the world on political basis.

    The former minister said Pakistan's application requesting the Indian government's cooperation in the case — and its refusal to do so — were on record. He claimed that although Pakistan had cooperated with the Indian government for information-sharing regarding every terrorist incident, India had not reciprocated for incidents taking place inside Pakistan, including the arrest of Indian spy Kulbhushan Jadhav.

    Nawaz's 'admission' as per Indian media
    Mainstream Indian news outlets, since the interview was published on Saturday, have been playing up Sharif's statement on the attacks as a 'confession' of Pakistan's role in the Mumbai incident.

    "Pakistani terrorists carried out 26/11 Mumbai attacks, admits former PM Nawaz Sharif," read the headline on Hindustan Times.

    "Former Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has tacitly admitted in an interview that Pakistan played a role in the 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks," wrote The Times of India.

    Times Now went a step further about "Nawaz Sharif's sensational confession", saying: "Now, Pakistan can't rid off 26/11 stain".

    Delay in the case
    The trial of Pakistani suspects in the Mumbai attacks case had virtually come to a standstill after the governments of Pakistan and India had a row over the testimony of 24 Indian witnesses.

    In January 2016, the government contacted New Delhi, asking it to send the 24 witnesses to Pakistan to testify against the Mumbai attacks suspects, including the alleged mastermind of the attacks — Zakiur Reh*man Lakhvi.

    Lakhvi, and the other suspects — Abdul Wajid, Mazhar Iqbal, Hammad Amin Sadiq, Shahid Jameel Riaz, Jamil Ahmed and Younus Anjum — are being tried by the Anti-Terrorism Court (ATC) in Islamabad since 2009. In August 2016, the Federal Investigation Agency also arrested Sufyan Zafar, the alleged financier of the attack.

    The prosecution had completed the testimonies of all 68 Pakistani witnesses seven months before that. By the time the ATC was about to conclude the proceedings, the prosecution filed an application to produce survivors of the Mumbai attacks, the doctors who conducted the post-mortem examination of the deceased persons and terrorists, and eyewitnesses.

    At the time of the attacks, Lakhvi was believed to be the operational head of the banned Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) that has been accused by India of carrying out the attacks in India's financial capital. Lakhvi along with Zarar Shah was allegedly the key planner of the attack.

    Though a prime suspect in the case, the Lahore High Court had released Lakhvi in 2015 after he furnished Rs2 million in surety bonds. The Indian government lodged a strong protest over his release; however, the Pakistani authorities demanded that India provide incriminating evidence against him so he can be held in jail and tried effectively.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1407430/in...awazs-question

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    Quote Originally Posted by bond View Post
    Agree with all you said - for a politician and govt. But you and the other posters here are not politicians.

    Killing of innocents civilians (not even in a collateral sense) is not justified anywhere, anytime. The least, a normal pakistani civilian can do is to atleast condemn such activities.

    Re: Dirt on Indian govt
    If it is ever substantiated about acts of terrorism against innocent civilians by Indian govt, you can count on most Indian society to condemn and oppose that. Indian forces are present in Kashmir to maintain order against local unrest abated by external forces. Indian armed forces are not given a license to shoot and loot unprovoked civilians. None of acts of human riots violation (which have happened but not nearly as much as you are fed to believe) are let go or ignored by Indian media or supported by indian public. If tomorrow my army chief or PM comes out in open about such incidences, I would be more sorry about those crimes than bad rep for India.
    Quote Originally Posted by bond View Post
    That army official had enough ammo to counter the stone pelters. That person swallowed his pride, used his judgement to avoid loss of innocent lives. So sorry, the point is counter to your argument.

    Any other armed force in the world (again, any) would have fired at the mob.
    There you go, contradicted yourself in the span of two posts.

    First you say if Indian government came out with atrocities against Kashmiris you would be sorry about it rather than defend the government or want to hide the fact that an atrocity was committed.

    Yet you cant even accept it was unethical and inhumane to use a human shield and are fully defending it as a humane action and saying it saved lives.

    By all means this was a cruel act, if it had to be done then it had to be done. But then he was made a hero out of it too.

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    Some people are so shameless they would support anyone who opposes Army, surely Army is not blameless but you have to criticise case to case which is fair criticism but i have seen some idiots who would support even a criminal like Altaf or corrupt to core Sharif/Zardari just because they oppose Army for their personal egos and corruption cases.

    They would ask Army to launch the attack in Waziristan and call them terrorist sympathisers and when they do launch the strikes they would jump the ship and cry rivers for innocent victims of war they always supported. I don't like issuing ghaddari certificates but if these chameleons are not ghaddars then not sure who is and unfortunately we have plenty of such low lives.

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    Another reason why Nawaz was a ***** saying what he did.

    Now India has statements out of context to make Pakistan look complicit in the attack.

    When in reality Nawaz was saying it was non-state actors that carried out the attacks.

    I hope he goes to jail for his corruption, but should also go to jail for being a traitor.

    He is not some journalist, he is a former Prime Minister of Pakistan. Badnami like this just to cling to power should be treated as an act against the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendInzi View Post
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    Surprise, surprise...this is what the entire Dawn Leaks was all about. And you know then how our military got sensitive and threw their toys out of the pram.
    Read up about the Leaks and the time frame, the comments from Sharif the moment the leaks happened.
    You’ll get your answers from that.

    This interview is as cynical as they come.
    You are now on my ignore list.
    Bye bye

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendInzi View Post
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    Surprise, surprise...this is what the entire Dawn Leaks was all about. And you know then how our military got sensitive and threw their toys out of the pram.
    Corrupt politician and weak institutions are more dangerous to country's security than a military influence.

    Because let's not be delusional, every strong military in a shadow has influenced respective country's foreign policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    Corrupt politician and weak institutions are more dangerous to country's security than a military influence.
    -- Where is this principle stated?
    -- Lets assume it to be true: who defines 'corruptness'? NAB? The same NAB who's credibility is in front of everyone to see...and btw, what about the scale of corruption from our muhib-e-watan jernail? Just because no one in our country can question them doesn't mean they haven't plundered the country.

    Because let's not be delusional, every strong military in a shadow has influenced respective country's foreign policy.
    Where would you draw the line? We are already a national security state...the difference b/w Pak&Ind is not too different from that b/w North&South Korea. Which one do you prefer to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendInzi View Post
    -- Where is this principle stated?
    -- Lets assume it to be true: who defines 'corruptness'? NAB? The same NAB who's credibility is in front of everyone to see...and btw, what about the scale of corruption from our muhib-e-watan jernail? Just because no one in our country can question them doesn't mean they haven't plundered the country.



    Where would you draw the line? We are already a national security state...the difference b/w Pak&Ind is not too different from that b/w North&South Korea. Which one do you prefer to be?
    Why has NS never uttered a word against Yadav?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Why has NS never uttered a word against Yadav?
    Why must he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendInzi View Post
    -- Where is this principle stated?
    -- Lets assume it to be true: who defines 'corruptness'? NAB? The same NAB who's credibility is in front of everyone to see...and btw, what about the scale of corruption from our muhib-e-watan jernail? Just because no one in our country can question them doesn't mean they haven't plundered the country.



    Where would you draw the line? We are already a national security state...the difference b/w Pak&Ind is not too different from that b/w North&South Korea. Which one do you prefer to be?
    Desperation to be seen correct is when you are not and separation from reality is remarkable. Comparing Pakistan with North Korea is remarkable, if you were in North Korea then you wouldn't be able to type all that "delusional" jibrish on the internet.

    Rest, I was going to reply but after seeing that comparison, I don't think it will worth my time wasting explaining why old corrupt, thug and used politician are being side line and what has army realized.

    But, one thing is for certain, Nawas Sharif will never be a PM of Pakistan and Army will remain the Pakistani army.

    Now, since you believe you live in North Korea kind of country, go hurry up, you do not want to be late for your labor camp to Raiwind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by www787 View Post
    Desperation to be seen correct is when you are not and separation from reality is remarkable. Comparing Pakistan with North Korea is remarkable, if you were in North Korea then you wouldn't be able to type all that "delusional" jibrish on the internet.
    Well, I hope you do get to hear the occasional news when bloggers/social media/human rights activists get picked up and detained for their critical views on Army. Even worse than North Korea, they get charged for posting blasphemous content instead...We are well on our way, if not already past them.

    But, one thing is for certain, Nawas Sharif will never be a PM of Pakistan and Army will remain the Pakistani army.
    And yes we will continue to remain this chest-thumping third world national security state..proudly firing Babur/Shahin rockets in the air as our sole achievement because on the battlefields we have nothing to be proud of.

    The entire world on one side, and we on the other waiving our "narrative" (just like North Korea)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendInzi View Post
    Why must he?
    That has to be the single worst answer ever given on this forum. Do you think that if a PK spy had been caught by the Ind, Modi would have not shouted this from every roof top on every forum around the world. For a start his capture saved 100's of PK lives, a point lost on you. Obviously that doesnt matter to you, but to us PKs that is a big thing.
    I think you have answered my worst fears about him.
    So an Ind spy is caught red handed and the PM of a country is to conflicted to even utter a word. Whose side
    Is he on?

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    #TraitorNawaz becomes top trend in Pakistan




    Another deep state sazish against saaf shafaf Nawaz Sharif


    #Hum apko container deingaye dharnay ke liyay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    #TraitorNawaz becomes top trend in Pakistan




    Another deep state sazish against saaf shafaf Nawaz Sharif
    It seems NS is not the only one that is a traitor. Some PK on this forum are happy for fellow PK to die so that this duffer doesnt lose his Ind friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    That has to be the single worst answer ever given on this forum. Do you think that if a PK spy had been caught by the Ind, Modi would have not shouted this from every roof top on every forum around the world. For a start his capture saved 100's of PK lives, a point lost on you. Obviously that doesnt matter to you, but to us PKs that is a big thing.
    I think you have answered my worst fears about him.
    So an Ind spy is caught red handed and the PM of a country is to conflicted to even utter a word. Whose side
    Is he on?
    I don't answer on imaginations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    #TraitorNawaz becomes top trend in Pakistan




    Another deep state sazish against saaf shafaf Nawaz Sharif
    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    It seems NS is not the only one that is a traitor. Some PK on this forum are happy for fellow PK to die so that this duffer doesnt lose his Ind friends.
    'Traitor certificate' is the last thing they have up their sleeve. It usually means nothing meaningful or reasonable to reply with. Fatima Jinnah, of all people, was also awarded this prestigious honor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendInzi View Post
    Well, I hope you do get to hear the occasional news when bloggers/social media/human rights activists get picked up and detained for their critical views on Army. Even worse than North Korea, they get charged for posting blasphemous content instead...We are well on our way, if not already past them.



    And yes we will continue to remain this chest-thumping third world national security state..proudly firing Babur/Shahin rockets in the air as our sole achievement because on the battlefields we have nothing to be proud of.

    The entire world on one side, and we on the other waiving our "narrative" (just like North Korea)
    what are you talking about? I do not know how to response to this. Good luck, I hope you do not live in a fear of getting picked up for typing all this up because you aren't that important unless you live in North Korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendInzi View Post
    'Traitor certificate' is the last thing they have up their sleeve. It usually means nothing meaningful or reasonable to reply with. Fatima Jinnah, of all people, was also awarded this prestigious honor.
    So how would you describe a PM who cannot bring himself to comment on the capture of a foreign spy who helped to kill 100's if not 1000's of PK. Would Modi have done the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendInzi View Post
    I don't answer on imaginations.
    Its sad that you are more loyal to a crook than you are to PK.


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