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    Mohammad Amir becomes 2nd left arm pacer after Wasim Akram to take 100 Test wickets for Pakistan

    18th Pakistani overall to take 100 Test wickets
    10th Pakistani pacer to take 100 Test wickets
    2nd Left arm pacer after Wasim Akram to take 100 Test wickets

    31 matches for 100 Test wickets

    Wasim Akram took 100 Test wickets in his 30 th Test match


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    [QUOTE=Mamoon;9742871]Don't see us ascending from 7th/6th in the near future. 5-0 in England and South Africa awaits us, we will be lucky to even draw one match. [/QUOTE]

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    Just the 15th left-arm pacer overall to get to 100 Test wickets.

    Only 5 of those have more than 200.


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    Exceptional....and yet, quite sad. Imagine if he had not missed 5 years of his prime. Imagine if Pakistan did not continue to drop catches off him. Just reading the latest cricinfo article on Amir and it states 16 catches have been dropped in 17 matches...a further two dropped in Ireland's second innings.

    This should have been his 117th wicket in 31 matches, and with those wickets, his avg would have been considerably lower. Just when the young man finds his rhythm, the fielders find a way to mess it up.

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    After a lot of time I saw Amir pitching the ball up and look consistently threatening. I know itís Ireland but still encouraging

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    Quote Originally Posted by barah_admi View Post
    Exceptional....and yet, quite sad. Imagine if he had not missed 5 years of his prime. Imagine if Pakistan did not continue to drop catches off him. Just reading the latest cricinfo article on Amir and it states 16 catches have been dropped in 17 matches...a further two dropped in Ireland's second innings.

    This should have been his 117th wicket in 31 matches, and with those wickets, his avg would have been considerably lower. Just when the young man finds his rhythm, the fielders find a way to mess it up.
    You cannot just add 16 wickets to his tally because at times, he has ended up taking the wicket of the same batsman. He cannot dismiss the same batsman twice.

    Nonetheless, it is indeed true that he has been somewhat unlucky, but the fact is that in spite of the dropped catches, he has not bowled well in Test cricket.

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    Mohammed Amir. Man who won us Champions Trophy! We got many memes off his dismissal of Kohli! What other fast bowler in the last 10 years as been as good as him in Pakistan?

    The Answer: NONE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asch Ali View Post
    Mohammed Amir. Man who won us Champions Trophy! We got many memes off his dismissal of Kohli! What other fast bowler in the last 10 years as been as good as him in Pakistan?

    The Answer: NONE
    No he did not win us the Champions Trophy; in fact, he was one of our weakest performers in the tournament.

    He was wicket-less in the first two games, including the must-win match against South Africa. Had the other bowlers not showed up against South Africa, Amir would have been on the plane back home.

    He did well against Sri Lanka, but he did not play in the semifinal against England, the tournament favorites.

    The final was one by the batsmen. India is the best chasing team in the world and Kohli is the greatest chaser in history, but 339 is too much to chase in the pressure of a tournament final.

    Pakistan would have defended that total without Amir too. In fact, most bowling units would defend 339 in the final, let alone a Pakistan team whose every bowler hit peak form at the same time.

    Even a reserve bowler like Rumman bowled like a world class bowler in the only match that he played (the semifinal).

    Pakistan would have the final without Amir, but obviously his opening burst allowed us to decimate India. However, let's not make the Champions Trophy about him, because it was not.

    He wasn't even among the top three reasons for Pakistan's success in that tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    He would probably have had more than 116 etc. One wicket generally leads to more wickets...

    But yeah I don’t believe the 100+16 logic.
    That hasn't been true in Amir's case though, and he does not have enough bite in his bowling in spite of the dropped catches. Dropped catches or not, he has been below par.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    No he did not win us the Champions Trophy; in fact, he was one of our weakest performers in the tournament.

    He was wicket-less in the first two games, including the must-win match against South Africa. Had the other bowlers not showed up against South Africa, Amir would have been on the plane back home.

    He did well against Sri Lanka, but he did not play in the semifinal against England, the tournament favorites.

    The final was one by the batsmen. India is the best chasing team in the world and Kohli is the greatest chaser in history, but 339 is too much to chase in the pressure of a tournament final.

    Pakistan would have defended that total without Amir too. In fact, most bowling units would defend 339 in the final, let alone a Pakistan team whose every bowler hit peak form at the same time.

    Even a reserve bowler like Rumman bowled like a world class bowler in the only match that he played (the semifinal).

    Pakistan would have the final without Amir, but obviously his opening burst allowed us to decimate India. However, let's not make the Champions Trophy about him, because it was not.

    He wasn't even among the top three reasons for Pakistan's success in that tournament.
    He got the greatest ever chaser out 2 times
    The guy with the most odi double hundreds and the serial run getter in Odi Tournaments Shikhar Dhawan.

    The top 3 of India were in beast mode, if Pakistan didn't strike early they could have took it close considering the kind of form they were in and India's lower order hitters.


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    Fakhar Zaman(Bravery and luck)
    Hasan Ali(Hardly put a foot wrong)
    M.Amir ( Ct final Spell)

    What are your top 3 reasons?

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    Amir still remains the classiest and most talented fast bowler in Pakistan at the moment.

    Hasan Ali, Faheem Ashraf can take wickets, but they arenít classy as Amir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    No he did not win us the Champions Trophy; in fact, he was one of our weakest performers in the tournament.

    He was wicket-less in the first two games, including the must-win match against South Africa. Had the other bowlers not showed up against South Africa, Amir would have been on the plane back home.

    He did well against Sri Lanka, but he did not play in the semifinal against England, the tournament favorites.

    The final was one by the batsmen. India is the best chasing team in the world and Kohli is the greatest chaser in history, but 339 is too much to chase in the pressure of a tournament final.

    Pakistan would have defended that total without Amir too. In fact, most bowling units would defend 339 in the final, let alone a Pakistan team whose every bowler hit peak form at the same time.

    Even a reserve bowler like Rumman bowled like a world class bowler in the only match that he played (the semifinal).

    Pakistan would have the final without Amir, but obviously his opening burst allowed us to decimate India. However, let's not make the Champions Trophy about him, because it was not.

    He wasn't even among the top three reasons for Pakistan's success in that tournament.
    Donít act like India doesnít have the ability to chase 350. They definitely had the potential to do so that day on the flat pitch with their fully packed squad.

    If a guy like Hafeez was hitting sixes imagine what Rohit, Kohli, Dhoni, Singh couldíve done if they werenít in pressure! Remember the group stage match! We got whooped!

    Amir bowling definitely was the difference. He should be appericiated!

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    Congrats to him but unfortunately does not seem like the bowler who would take 200-300 wickets for Pakistan. Not sure who will be the next Pakistan pacer to reach that landmark. Wasim, Waqar and Imran were the only pacers to reach 200+ test wickets. Wasim and Waqar retired 15 years ago. Probably Hasan? or Abbas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by giri26 View Post
    Congrats to him but unfortunately does not seem like the bowler who would take 200-300 wickets for Pakistan. Not sure who will be the next Pakistan pacer to reach that landmark. Wasim, Waqar and Imran were the only pacers to reach 200+ test wickets. Wasim and Waqar retired 15 years ago. Probably Hasan? or Abbas?
    He has missed 6 years of cricket. Amir has only played for 3~ years and reached 100. At this point he virtually already has 300.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asch Ali View Post
    He has missed 6 years of cricket. Amir has only played for 3~ years and reached 100. At this point he virtually already has 300.
    Unfortunately those thing don't translate into final stats. Amir has already expressed his intentions of not playing 5 day format and I don't see him lasting another 30 odd tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giri26 View Post
    Unfortunately those thing don't translate into final stats. Amir has already expressed his intentions of not playing 5 day format and I don't see him lasting another 30 odd tests.
    Whatever. Just hope he gets a ton of LOI wickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asch Ali View Post
    Amir still remains the classiest and most talented fast bowler in Pakistan at the moment.

    Hasan Ali, Faheem Ashraf can take wickets, but they arenít classy as Amir.
    LOL who cares about class when you can hardly take wickets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asch Ali View Post
    He has missed 6 years of cricket. Amir has only played for 3~ years and reached 100. At this point he virtually already has 300.
    I virtually have 60347 test wickets, because hey who cares about real wickets when you can have virtual ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finisher View Post
    He got the greatest ever chaser out 2 times
    The guy with the most odi double hundreds and the serial run getter in Odi Tournaments Shikhar Dhawan.

    The top 3 of India were in beast mode, if Pakistan didn't strike early they could have took it close considering the kind of form they were in and India's lower order hitters.


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    Fakhar Zaman(Bravery and luck)
    Hasan Ali(Hardly put a foot wrong)
    M.Amir ( Ct final Spell)

    What are your top 3 reasons?
    Quote Originally Posted by Asch Ali View Post
    Donít act like India doesnít have the ability to chase 350. They definitely had the potential to do so that day on the flat pitch with their fully packed squad.

    If a guy like Hafeez was hitting sixes imagine what Rohit, Kohli, Dhoni, Singh couldíve done if they werenít in pressure! Remember the group stage match! We got whooped!

    Amir bowling definitely was the difference. He should be appericiated!
    Sarfraz's captaincy and Junaid were bigger factors than Amir. Sarfraz was spot on with his tactics, and everything that he tried worked. Yes we had luck on our side, but he was on the money tactically.

    I do not like Junaid and I do not rate him either, but there is no denying that he did not put a foot wrong in that tournament. He bowled very well in every match, and was one of the key reasons why teams were not able to post big totals. Him replacing Wahab after the first match changed the complexion of our bowling attack.

    Amir had zero contribution in two must-win games (South Africa and England), and he got injured before the death overs in the first ODI vs India, allowing them to score 15-20 runs more than they would have. I am not blaming him for getting injured, but that was his contribution.

    He was among the flop of the tournaments before the final, but that spell in the opening overs restored his dignity. However, let's not forget that he had the luxury of defending the largest total ever in an ICC tournament history.

    At best, he was the fifth major reason for Pakistan's triumph, and is his contribution in the final was not more crucial than the contributions of Azhar and Hafeez.

    Fakhar was all over the place in the initial overs, and it was Azhar who took control of the innings earlier on and put pressure on the Indian bowlers. He punched well above his weight by striking at 80+, because if he would have played in his usual mode, he would have suffocated the innings as he normally does and India would have been all over Pakistan.

    As far as Hafeez is concerned, his quick-fire 50 put India on the ropes. Both Babar and Malik failed when they decided to go for big shots, and Hafeez was the last man capable of scoring quick runs. Imad was clearly struggling to hit big, and Sarfraz would not have been able to do much against the likes of Bumrah and Bhuvneshwar, considering his weak hitting ability.

    Without Hafeez Pakistan would probably have had to settle for a sub 300 score, which could have changed the complexion of the game.

    By no means was Amir among the top three reasons for Pakistan winning the trophy. He did not even make the team of the tournament, and he wasn't even the 12th man. Both Hasan and Junaid made the team ahead of him, and for good measure. He wasn't one of the best players in the tournament by any measure.

    My top reasons for the Champions Trophy triumph:

    1) Hasan
    2) Fakhar
    3) Sarfraz's captaincy
    4) Junaid

    and after the top four, Amir, Azhar and Hafeez can be ranked in any order. Perhaps, Amir should pip them to the 5th position because both of them failed against Sri Lanka, while Amir played an important cameo. Nonetheless, there isn't much between the three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    You cannot just add 16 wickets to his tally because at times, he has ended up taking the wicket of the same batsman. He cannot dismiss the same batsman twice.

    Nonetheless, it is indeed true that he has been somewhat unlucky, but the fact is that in spite of the dropped catches, he has not bowled well in Test cricket.
    THis

    it really becomes annoying how fans find every excuse to defend amir. Oh had so and so catch not been dropped he would had this many wickets.

    Like you said, that ones that were dropped he took them again.

    What about catches being dropped off other bowlers ball and amir taking them

    WIth that logic we should minus them from Amir's quota.

    Amir has not bowled well. Simple as that. Drop catches are an excuse.

    Abbas has shown to be more threatening than amir.


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    A few small details to add to that comparison with Wasim that everyone harps about.....

    Akram was averaging 27.xx when he took his first 100 wickets
    Amir is averaging 31.xx at his 100th wicket

    A difference of 4 runs per wicket is huge in test cricket.

    Also, Akram had less experience (in terms of FC games played) than Amir has had over the course of his career. I am sorry to say this and this is coming as an Amir fan, it is a disservice to Wasim bhai if him and Amir's are written in the same sentence - cricketing context only!

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    It would be critical to see how he goes from here , Can he get to 300 Test Wickets at least

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    Amir definitely played a huge part when it mattered most

    Yes the batsman had set up a potential win but it still needed someone to get indias famed top 3 out quickly and amir did that

    There was every chance india could chase 350 on a belter of a wkt and amir made sure they didnt by knocking out india out upfront

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    Well done to him. He can get many more if he bowls an attacking length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Amir definitely played a huge part when it mattered most

    Yes the batsman had set up a potential win but it still needed someone to get indias famed top 3 out quickly and amir did that

    There was every chance india could chase 350 on a belter of a wkt and amir made sure they didnt by knocking out india out upfront
    HE AMIR KO INDIA. No matter what they say. Chasing 300 plus is not impossible for India.

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    He is looking threatening again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hur rizvi View Post
    After a lot of time I saw Amir pitching the ball up and look consistently threatening. I know itís Ireland but still encouraging
    Possibly his best effort since return yes it was Ireland but his intensity was up and was constantly troubling the batsmen one of the few occasions where the unlucky statements rings true

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoib View Post
    Possibly his best effort since return yes it was Ireland but his intensity was up and was constantly troubling the batsmen one of the few occasions where the unlucky statements rings true
    agree, that spell and delivery to dismiss porterfield was reminiscent of 2009

    Just needs to tell himself i need to bowl full. Its ok to be driven for boundaries of half volleys than bowl shortish dot balls


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    Amir is the best fast bowler produced in the last 10 years from Pakistan.

    He has pace
    He has swing
    He has control
    He has line
    He has bounce

    What other bowler has few flaws than Mohammed Amir? I dare you to name a bowler who can bowl with as much talent as Amir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asch Ali View Post
    Amir is the best fast bowler produced in the last 10 years from Pakistan.

    He has pace
    He has swing
    He has control
    He has line
    He has bounce

    What other bowler has few flaws than Mohammed Amir? I dare you to name a bowler who can bowl with as much talent as Amir.
    Pace: True if it's a one day game, doesn't have the fitness for tests.
    Swing: Fair enough
    Control: Doesn't matter when you can't bowl the right line or length
    Line: False
    Bounce: Again doesn't really matter when you can't land the ball in the right area

    Hasan Ali is a better bowler out of Pakistan. Boult, Rabada, Starc to name some foreigners.


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