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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah View Post
    Between 2 flawed teams. Both of these teams are not a patch on good teams of the past.
    I think we can shake England up and if Azhar Ali can turn his fortunes around and have a good series, we can beat them
    This is arguably England's most talented bunch ever barring one or two slots. Two genuine all-round options in Stokes and Woakes, two 400 plus wicket takers in Broad and Anderson, and even the option of playing Wood a possibly 90 mile plus bowler.

    Add to that Cook and Root - two of their best bats ever. Throw in Bairstow that's 8 top class players. I don't know when England was this exciting barring one brief ashes series against Australia.


    it's written. an akmal will never be a hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoUgandaCranes View Post
    This is arguably England's most talented bunch ever barring one or two slots. Two genuine all-round options in Stokes and Woakes, two 400 plus wicket takers in Broad and Anderson, and even the option of playing Wood a possibly 90 mile plus bowler.

    Add to that Cook and Root - two of their best bats ever. Throw in Bairstow that's 8 top class players. I don't know when England was this exciting barring one brief ashes series against Australia.
    You have to consider team's form as well. Just because these guys are world class players isn't enough. How many of them are in great form?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I actually wrote before Ashes (even just after he was MoS against SAF), that he might loose his spot down under, because his finger off-spin won't be effective there and he is a suspect against short ball. But, didn't expect him to be dropped for home Test so early, particularly when they have retained Malan & Stoneman (& both is likely to start). Moeen is similar aged, still with a better batting average (his home average is much higher than away), and he offers off spin. We were talking about Moeen being deputy or even a shot a Captaincy less than a year back!!!!!!

    I think, they'll bring him in for IND series. ENG might win both Tests, but those 2 batsmen are not going to establish themselves against PAK attack.
    It's probably for the best in hindsight because he could do with some time away from cricket, in the Ashes things were going to be very tough regardless but he had fitness issues with the finger and hamstring injuries, and the prep was pour as well, never got the chance to spend some time in the middle during the tour games before the Test series. Stokes was out for obvious reasons and someone like Mo in the past had been great for the overall team balance / utility so they went with him regardless.

    Despite his fitness issues or the constantly alternating roles, Mo has done his best in those circumstances and rarely made a big deal out of it his work ethic and attitude have been first class. He should make his way back eventually, if you're Joe Root you'd be silly not to want such an option available and some are crying scapegoat but I don't believe that to be true, he's a very popular guy in the dressing room.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoUgandaCranes View Post
    This is arguably England's most talented bunch ever barring one or two slots. Two genuine all-round options in Stokes and Woakes, two 400 plus wicket takers in Broad and Anderson, and even the option of playing Wood a possibly 90 mile plus bowler.

    Add to that Cook and Root - two of their best bats ever. Throw in Bairstow that's 8 top class players. I don't know when England was this exciting barring one brief ashes series against Australia.
    These guys have had it handed to them when going aus ind use, even losing in nz


    If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you always got #improve

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    Strong squad.
    Bairstow is my real worry. Hopefully Hasan can take care of him.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah View Post
    These guys have had it handed to them when going aus ind use, even losing in nz
    I've learned in the last few years that cricket is almost 60 percent conditions and 40 percent skill.

    Give a raging turner, put Kohli on it versus Nawaz and the odds will favor Nawaz more than Kohli. And if you say Kohli isn't that great, put any great from past, present, or even future and the same will hold true.

    Derek Underwood used to clean up teams on damp pitches for fun and even earned the nickname deadly.

    Broad in Australia and Broad in Nottingham are two different things and that's what cricket is and there's nothing wrong about it.


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    If James Anderson has a field day at Lord’s in the first Test against Pakistan, he will become only the second bowler ever to take 100 Test wickets at a single ground. The last time Anderson bowled there, last September, he took nine West Indian wickets: one better against Pakistan and he will join Muttiah Muralitharan, who took 100 wickets at each of Sri Lanka’s three main grounds.

    It would make yet another distinguished feat for Anderson, who has soared to fifth in the all-time list of Test wicket-takers on 531. He was the only one of England’s bowlers, pace or spin, who did not have a bad winter. The one constant was Anderson’s accuracy, and persistence, as he took 17 wickets at 27 each in the Ashes and eight more at 25 in New Zealand.

    But the medals Anderson continues to accumulate - and if he has a summer like last year he will overtake Glenn McGrath’s 563 to become the leading Test wicket-taker among pace bowlers of all time - should not be allowed to obscure the wider picture. England failed to dismiss the opposition twice in any of their seven Tests last winter and therefore to win, while their over-dependence on the 35 year-old Anderson and the 31 year-old Stuart Broad is ever more unhealthy.

    Whereas the selection of England’s batting line-up for the first Test against Pakistan was justifiably hailed as “bold and imaginative”, the choice of England’s pace attack by the new selection panel was the opposite - because they omitted Jake Ball, the leading wicket-taker in division one, and a highly-skilled pace bowler whose time never seems to come.

    Ben Stokes did not take a wicket in the ten Test overs which the legal process and his knee injury permitted last winter. Chris Woakes ran a long way in England’s cause, cheerfully and indefatigably, to end up with ten Test wickets that cost more than 60 runs each. More than any other individual in England’s Test side, Woakes illustrates the reason for the successes at home and the failures abroad: 42 wickets at 24 in England, 18 at 61 away.

    Largely for this reason, Mark Wood was called back from the IPL, where he had bowled four very expensive overs for Chennai Super Kings, to get some red-ball practice for Durham, and he obliged with his best innings figures, six for 46, in division two against Derbyshire. Against Pakistan, England need a bowler of extra pace who can get the ball into the tourists’ ribs, because circumstances have confined most of their cricket experience to Pakistan and the UAE where batsman are seldom forced to play off the back foot; so Wood, if he is match-fit, can be expected to be England’s third seamer ahead of Woakes.

    The best feature about England’s pace bowling last winter was that finally, in the second and last Test against New Zealand, Joe Root got his message across: to pitch the ball further up, especially when new. Root in Christchurch came out from second slip where he had spent his captaincy hitherto, and switched to mid-off, where he could communicate with his bowlers - and Broad, above all, responded. No more of the back-of-a-length, economical, face-saving respectability which prevailed in Australia.

    Broad was transformed. A new lease of life, which he sorely needed after the Ashes when he looked to be close to his retirement date. He took six for 54, and eight wickets in all, in the second Test against New Zealand but, for want of more of the same, England yet again could not bowl their opponents out.

    Overhead conditions are likely to be decisive this week: whether a team are bowling under cloud or in sunshine. Pakistan have a fine record at Lord’s over the last generation: they have won four of their last eight Tests, including the last one, and lost only two. The surface is usually dry and the bounce nothing steep - as close as they are going to find in England to the pitches of Pakistan and the UAE.

    Pakistan won at Lord’s in 2016 by selecting three left-arm pace bowlers and a wrist-spinner: what a beastly trick, to play the two types of bowler England cannot produce! They also won because their captain Misbah ul-Haq produced a match-winning century, immortalised by his press-ups, while their other veteran Younus Khan made a double-century at the Oval which levelled the series at 2-2 and took Pakistan, briefly, to the top of the ICC Test rankings..

    Neither Pakistan’s batting nor bowling is as good as it was then; they are down to number seven and have played only three Tests in the last year. Mohammad Amir, their leading pace bowler, suffered knee trouble during the Test in Ireland last week; Mohammed Abbas swings on a full length both ways, which will trouble England, but if the ball is not swinging they have no tall fast bowler to pitch a shorter length; and no Yasir Shah, who took ten wickets last time, as he has a long-term groin strain.

    Pakistan have a fine young wrist-spinner in Shadab Khan. When England seek to play an ace in Jos Buttler as a specialist batsman at number seven, playing with the freedom of an old-fashioned amateur, Pakistan have the means to trump it by making Buttler start against Shadab. Even so, England will be going backwards if they do not win this series 2-0.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...road-must-win/


    [QUOTE=Mamoon;9742871]Don't see us ascending from 7th/6th in the near future. 5-0 in England and South Africa awaits us, we will be lucky to even draw one match. [/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    I hope buttler gets a chance. He is been in some form lately, but that's in little league. Big boys game is test cricket lets see how he plays pak bowling.
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Then it will be bad decision. Buttler is almost 28 and has a FC and test average of 31. He is not going to magically become a world class test batsman. Bairstow on the other hand has the potential to be one.
    Buttler ends the series with an avg of 80.5 and a Player of the Match award for the decisive match.

    Quote Originally Posted by run-out View Post
    What about stokes performance in the IPL?
    Seems like the English selector should have followed Stokes' IPL performance and dropped him for the first match.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Because this is the first time I have seen a player getting selected into a Test squad based on performances in a T20 league.

    It doesn't even happen internally, and by that I mean a team selecting a player for its Test team based on performances in their own T20 league.

    This is quite fascinating to see. The IPL has truly humbled the ECB over the years and has exposed mercenaries like David Lloyd. They opposed it initially because it was against their so-called values, but now then bend over backwards because their players cannot resist the temptation.
    Mamoon again showing he is more often right than wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Poms picking Butler has absolutely nothing on IPL - he was a super flop in BPL, and turning heat in IPL.
    It is not only posters here who think Buttler got selected due to his IPL performance, but English newspapers and writers who believe Buttler was selected on the basis of his IPL performance. And why should they not, after all Buttler hasn't played any FC cricket since Sept 2017.

    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/cric...eddie-Flintoff

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...nd-test-squad/
    Last edited by Abdullah719; 3rd June 2018 at 22:28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Plumb View Post
    I hope buttler gets a chance. He is been in some form lately, but that's in little league. Big boys game is test cricket lets see how he plays pak bowling.
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Then it will be bad decision. Buttler is almost 28 and has a FC and test average of 31. He is not going to magically become a world class test batsman. Bairstow on the other hand has the potential to be one.
    Buttler ends the series with an avg of 80.5 and a Player of the Match award for the decisive match.

    Quote Originally Posted by run-out View Post
    What about stokes performance in the IPL?
    Seems like the English selector should have followed Stokes' IPL performance and dropped him for the first match.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Because this is the first time I have seen a player getting selected into a Test squad based on performances in a T20 league.

    It doesn't even happen internally, and by that I mean a team selecting a player for its Test team based on performances in their own T20 league.

    This is quite fascinating to see. The IPL has truly humbled the ECB over the years and has exposed mercenaries like David Lloyd. They opposed it initially because it was against their so-called values, but now then bend over backwards because their players cannot resist the temptation.
    Mamoon again showing he is more often right than wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Poms picking Butler has absolutely nothing on IPL - he was a super flop in BPL, and turning heat in IPL.
    It is not only posters here who think Buttler got selected due to his IPL performance, but English newspapers and writers who believe Buttler was selected on the basis of his IPL performance. And why should they not, after all Buttler hasn't played any FC cricket since Sept 2017.

    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/cric...eddie-Flintoff

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...nd-test-squad/
    At the end of the day, cricket is cricket. IPL is high quality LO cricket, and the way Buttler was hitting the ball, it was clear that he was in excellent form.

    He is a brilliant talent who has been held back by ECB’s conservatism. He has all the ingredients to be a match-winner in all formats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Buttler ends the series with an avg of 80.5 and a Player of the Match award for the decisive match.



    Seems like the English selector should have followed Stokes' IPL performance and dropped him for the first match.



    Mamoon again showing he is more often right than wrong.



    It is not only posters here who think Buttler got selected due to his IPL performance, but English newspapers and writers who believe Buttler was selected on the basis of his IPL performance. And why should they not, after all Buttler hasn't played any FC cricket since Sept 2017.

    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/cric...eddie-Flintoff

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...nd-test-squad/
    Butler was in brilliant batting form, which he showed even in ODIs down under and that he continued in IPL as well. Since IPL was the last tournament that he played, it's easier to link his inclusion to that - and he is proving in Test as well that, it's his batting form, not only performance in IPL that done the trick. We can live in a cricket world without monopolizing everything for IPL.

    What @Mamoon said, I am not denying, in fact I said the same - Butler was in brilliant form from ODI leg in AUS/NZ, and few ENG Test batsmen had a poor tour, therefore Butler got his chance, and he had added benefit of being back-up WK. Now, he has a good series against PAK, for which he should have a long stay in Test - a year later, someone will tell you that LO specialist Butler had an extended Test career because of his performance against PAK.


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