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    Can Ireland compete with the Test cricketing world?

    Most of the threads here have been about Pakistan or individual Irish performances, but many have forgotten the fact that the ICC were heavily criticised for giving Test status to teams like Ireland and Afghanistan.

    We've seen a very impressive debut game by Ireland in Tests. The question is, do they have the ability to be competing with other teams regularly in the future? One major issue they will face is that most of the players who represented them in their inaugural Test will not be available for future Tests.

    Having said that I firmly believe Ireland can definitely challenge teams like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan, especially in Home series.

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    Would be interesting to hear your views on this @Donal Cozzie

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    Only in home conditions. Even then they might be competitive only. In other conditions, they would get flattened.

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    Indeed they can at their home.

    More than anything, Test cricket is all about taking 20 wickets, otherwise one can dominate for 15 sessions, won't win a Test. Like South Asian teams, they have one unique advantage - they have a typical "home wicket", upon which, their attack is quite potent (South Asia excluding PAK, whose home wickets are not the best places for their team's core strength). This Irish attack might get man handled in Asia or AUS, but on their green-tops, those 125km seemers can be as deadly as Ashwin on turners or Rabada on cracked J'burg. AT home, they'll be a good competitor more often than not, for most teams.

    Only concern is that, this was an extremely aged side; don't see most of the players around in a year time, some might not play Test ever. Some of this bunch come with a solid County experience, league cricket experience around England; which makes them very good FC players, decent in Test circuit. But, IRL needs next generation to step up, otherwise they might face the same like Kenya or for that matter WIN. Unlike South Asians, IRL is good in several team games - Rugby, Soccer, their own football, and some individual games as well - Golf, horse racing ....... for a country of less than 5mn population, it's too too good, too many choices. Unless, their own system is developed and next generation is given the exposure like this bunch, without the help of County cricket, they'll struggle in Test circuit, which needs fundamental skills of cricket, and a culture of 2 innings games, without limiting by number of overs.
    @Donal Cozzie can give better insights.

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    They could easily beat sides like Bangladesh


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakSarZameen View Post
    Most of the threads here have been about Pakistan or individual Irish performances, but many have forgotten the fact that the ICC were heavily criticised for giving Test status to teams like Ireland and Afghanistan.
    Who criticzed the ICC for giving them test status? A lot of people wanted that to happen, and want there to be more teams in the world cup.

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    I think they can be competitive on home turf

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Indeed they can at their home.

    More than anything, Test cricket is all about taking 20 wickets, otherwise one can dominate for 15 sessions, won't win a Test. Like South Asian teams, they have one unique advantage - they have a typical "home wicket", upon which, their attack is quite potent (South Asia excluding PAK, whose home wickets are not the best places for their team's core strength). This Irish attack might get man handled in Asia or AUS, but on their green-tops, those 125km seemers can be as deadly as Ashwin on turners or Rabada on cracked J'burg. AT home, they'll be a good competitor more often than not, for most teams.

    Only concern is that, this was an extremely aged side; don't see most of the players around in a year time, some might not play Test ever. Some of this bunch come with a solid County experience, league cricket experience around England; which makes them very good FC players, decent in Test circuit. But, IRL needs next generation to step up, otherwise they might face the same like Kenya or for that matter WIN. Unlike South Asians, IRL is good in several team games - Rugby, Soccer, their own football, and some individual games as well - Golf, horse racing ....... for a country of less than 5mn population, it's too too good, too many choices. Unless, their own system is developed and next generation is given the exposure like this bunch, without the help of County cricket, they'll struggle in Test circuit, which needs fundamental skills of cricket, and a culture of 2 innings games, without limiting by number of overs.
    @Donal Cozzie can give better insights.
    And dominance at home is what most test teams are doing these days

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    Do they have a proper domestic structure? Do they have young players with good potential? Is their board financially strong enough to prevent their star players from migrating to another country which has a better cricketing infrastructure?

    If not, then they simply have no chance to compete against any of the other teams in test areana.
    Last edited by RainMan_; 16th May 2018 at 18:54.

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    I don't think so - the team that played the first test was decent, but that's not going to be the Irish team going forward. They're starting a major rebuild around younger players, they're going to get a lot worse before they get better


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    Ireland cannot compete with the cricketing world.

    Why?

    ANy good player they end up producing, England will have a better contract to offer.

    Yes yes Ireland now has test cricket this and that.

    With England you play more test games, Ashes etc.
    With Ireland, you might get 1 test in a year and thats about it

    For Ireland to be a good competitor they would have to restrict their players in some way which is also not against FICA aswell


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    Could possibly become the next New Zealand in terms of getting a lot of players from countries like South Africa-Zimbabwe-Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Ireland cannot compete with the cricketing world.

    Why?

    ANy good player they end up producing, England will have a better contract to offer.

    Yes yes Ireland now has test cricket this and that.

    With England you play more test games, Ashes etc.
    With Ireland, you might get 1 test in a year and thats about it

    For Ireland to be a good competitor they would have to restrict their players in some way which is also not against FICA aswell
    I'm sure they will get 5 tests a year. Every team touring England would love to play their practice match against Ireland. That aside Ireland will probably play a full series with the likes of Afghanistan annually.

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    They will improve the more tests they play. Also need to find some younger players as the team that played Pakistan had a lot of older players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    They could easily beat sides like Bangladesh
    Relax. If PAK can win by 5 wickets, Bangladesh should be able to go toe to toe with Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakSarZameen View Post
    Would be interesting to hear your views on this @Donal Cozzie
    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Indeed they can at their home.

    More than anything, Test cricket is all about taking 20 wickets, otherwise one can dominate for 15 sessions, won't win a Test. Like South Asian teams, they have one unique advantage - they have a typical "home wicket", upon which, their attack is quite potent (South Asia excluding PAK, whose home wickets are not the best places for their team's core strength). This Irish attack might get man handled in Asia or AUS, but on their green-tops, those 125km seemers can be as deadly as Ashwin on turners or Rabada on cracked J'burg. AT home, they'll be a good competitor more often than not, for most teams.

    Only concern is that, this was an extremely aged side; don't see most of the players around in a year time, some might not play Test ever. Some of this bunch come with a solid County experience, league cricket experience around England; which makes them very good FC players, decent in Test circuit. But, IRL needs next generation to step up, otherwise they might face the same like Kenya or for that matter WIN. Unlike South Asians, IRL is good in several team games - Rugby, Soccer, their own football, and some individual games as well - Golf, horse racing ....... for a country of less than 5mn population, it's too too good, too many choices. Unless, their own system is developed and next generation is given the exposure like this bunch, without the help of County cricket, they'll struggle in Test circuit, which needs fundamental skills of cricket, and a culture of 2 innings games, without limiting by number of overs.
    @Donal Cozzie can give better insights.
    I think MMHS has it fairly spot on. The main reason we struggle is the many sports cricket competes with, but thats also a reason we can progress. Honestly as a small island we have insane sporting talent and a great culture for sport.

    At home I think we can consistently challenge the West Indies, Bangladesh's and maybe Sri Lanka's. Away from home we would be absolutely demolished I reckon though, especially on turning pitches, anywhere aside from Zimbabwe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shutdown Corner View Post
    Relax. If PAK can win by 5 wickets, Bangladesh should be able to go toe to toe with Ireland.
    Remember what happened in New Zealand and South Africa? Your batsmen AND bowlers are duds outside the subcontinent.

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    They have a good foundation but won't be competing too much in the near future. No shame in that though. Give them 5-10 years and they will not be classed as minnows.

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    In Rankin and Murtagh(a typical English seamer), add Dockrell and Sorenson/Thompson in Kevin O Brien, they certainly have the attack to take 20 wickets, esp if its green tops.
    In batting, they have one of the best batters of county cricket in last 15 years in Ed Joyce. Gary Wilson is also pretty good. Balbirnie has potential.
    The problem is Joyce and Murtagh are on their last legs. Till they can contribute like they can, Ireland can win a Test or two on their home soil. They have a good chance against Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and West Indies.

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    At home, they can, against the likes of Pakistan, Zimbabwe, Windies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

    So yeah, they'd be a team which can be considered as A TEST team, not just because they've got the consideration but due to their performance.

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    In next couple of years Ireland can beat lowly ranked test teams like SL PAK WI BAN ZIM...But it will take some time to compete with top 4 teams

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    A long way to go for Ireland, but I can still see them giving bottom ranked sides like BD, WI and Pakistan a run for their money (at home). Good luck to the Irish boys.

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    I reckon at home they would push most teams and even challenge some of the better teams if things go their way. For example, they could be playing against India, win the toss, stick India in on a cloudy morning then when it's their turn to bat, pile on the runs. I'm not saying they would beat India etc but they would definitely make them work hard for a win for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aloo paratha View Post
    Remember what happened in New Zealand and South Africa? Your batsmen AND bowlers are duds outside the subcontinent.
    In NZ we were playing 8 vs 11 with multiple injuries to the Rahim (bruised fingers), Kayes (severe hamstring strain), Mominul (rib injury). On top of that, the team had a reserve WK in the squad but didn't sub him in for Rahim even though the playing conditions allowed it. Batsmen did manage to pile up 600 vs Boult and Southee on a grassy (yet somehow still flat) wicket.

    SA's second string bowling attack is still much stronger than Ireland's.

    Plus you have to factor in that on average a 5 day Test in Ireland will see 2 days rained off. Even India has never beaten Bangladesh in 3 days.

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    Ireland will do well against any team at home because of how much it rains. They will be able to draw against even the strongest bowling attacks once 6-7 sessions of each Test are washed out. There first 50 Tests will probably see 15-20 draws.

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    They will do well in Ireland against sub continental teams. Wont be surprised if they win a match too.


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    Being brutally honest Ireland can turn over a few sides at home. In those conditions, they have a serviceable attack. I would not be confident of the boys beating them in Ireland. They can also turn over any other Asian side and WI and Zimbabwe. Not always, not even often but regularly enough.

    When we got our Test status, we had nothing. All these guys have seasoned FC careers via the English system and that will aid them immensely.

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    I think people are vastly overrating this Irish bowling attack. On top of that, how long with 35 yo quicks like Ranking and Murtagh keep steaming in? You have to remember Josh Little, Barry McCarthy, Craig Young, and Peter Chase are quite young to just be rolling over Asian Test sides. Then you have the weather. How many sessions will they need to take 20 wickets? 10? 12? 8?

    On recent form, PAK are probably the weakest of the Asian Test sides atm and they got home in the end.

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    Yes they can but need at least ten years to develop. Won't happen before that.


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    BD will easily beat them in BD and will be beaten by them in Ireland. They can beat Zimbabwe, Afghanistan and WI anywhere. Will be competitive in their own backyard with any other team but will not be in away games.

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    It basically comes down to money and the problem they have is that, as the Australia-Bangladesh cancellation showed, the big boys don't care about playing smaller teams. The diddy teams are constantly fighting for table scraps because the international calendar is so ludicrously unbalanced, the rich will get richer and stupid people will wonder why the diddy teams struggle to get better.

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    Bilateral agreements need to be done away with if cricket is to really grow, everybody has to play everybody else otherwise it's all a farce. Doesn't matter what the ICC rankings say or playing ICC championship tests at Lords or whatever other joke ideas people try, none of it matters when half the teams don't want to play the other half.

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    They can easily give a scare or two to lesser teams like Bangladesh and Pakistan. Can defeat Zimbabwe and Afghanistan comfortably. Others, no chance.
    Last edited by ipl_fan; 18th May 2018 at 03:48.

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    Bangladesh would most likely lose in Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
    It basically comes down to money and the problem they have is that, as the Australia-Bangladesh cancellation showed, the big boys don't care about playing smaller teams. The diddy teams are constantly fighting for table scraps because the international calendar is so ludicrously unbalanced, the rich will get richer and stupid people will wonder why the diddy teams struggle to get better.
    Whilst I agree no one would want to tour Ireland for a full tour, everyone would want to play one of their practice matches against Ireland.

    Likewise, Afghanistan could get a lot of Tests playing those teams who are touring Pakistan in UAE or India in India.


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