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    Quote Originally Posted by noonebetterthanPappu View Post
    Isn't it strange when there are protests in Pakistan against blasphemy contest in far away Netherlands but no outrage about daily struggle of close to million Muslims in nearby China....pretty unbelievable.
    Each are bad. No need to denigrate any effort.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Each are bad. No need to denigrate any effort.
    But where is the outrage over suffering of peoples ? Religiously speaking blasphemy contest also big issue but from peoples point of view no one got physically affected there but in China people are suffering physically but hardly any comment from Pakistani politicians or religious leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Each are bad. No need to denigrate any effort.
    I agree, but the threat to human life in the case of the Netherlands blasphemy case is less, so they’re not the same thing.

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    Muslim Governments Silent as China Cracks Down on Uighurs

    Almost three weeks after a United Nations official cited “credible reports” that the country was holding as many as 1 million Turkic-speaking Uighurs in “re-education” camps, governments in Muslim-majority countries have issued no notable statements on the issue. The silence became more pronounced this week after a bipartisan group of U.S. lawmakers urged sanctions against senior Chinese officials.

    “We are hopeful that the State Department will seek addition opportunities to condemn these abuses while also undertaking robust diplomatic engagement with like-minded governments to further elevate this human rights crisis in international forums and multilateral institutions,” lawmakers led by Senator Marco Rubio of Florida and Representative Chris Smith of New Jersey wrote Wednesday in a letter to Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. They joined European Union officials who have previously expressed concern about the camps in Xinjiang.

    By contrast, the leaders of Indonesia, Malaysia and Pakistan haven’t released public statements on the clampdown. Neither has Saudi Arabia. Even Turkey, which has in the past offered favorable policies to Turkic-speaking groups and hosts a small Uighur population of its own, remained silent as Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan grappled with an economic crisis.

    Trade Ties

    The split underscores how China’s position as a key trading partner and aid provider to many Muslim-majority nations -- as well as its longstanding policy to avoid commenting on the internal affairs of other countries -- is now paying off.

    The silence on Uighurs contrasts with outrage last year when some 700,000 Rohingya Muslims fled clearance operations by the Myanmar military, which the UN has since likened to genocide. One big difference between the two cases: Myanmar’s economy is 180 times smaller than that of China, which is the top trading partner of 20 of the 57 member states of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation.

    China accounts for about a 10th of Saudi Arabia’s oil exports and roughly a third of Iran’s, according to ship-tracking data compiled by Bloomberg. It is Malaysia’s top source of foreign investment. And it has ensured the flow of more than $60 billion in loans for China-Pakistan Economic Corridor infrastructure projects.

    Muslim nations “don’t want to damage their relations with China, and consider China a potential ally against the West and the U.S., and therefore they are trying to stay silent,” said Omer Kanat, chairman of the executive committee at the World Uyghur Congress, an overseas Uighur advocacy group.

    Dangerous Spillover

    To be sure, maintaining trade ties isn’t the only motivator. Some governments are loathe to draw global attention to their own shabby human rights records. Beijing has largely refrained from involving itself in conflicts in the Muslim world.

    Those nations “don’t particularly respect human rights themselves, so it’s hard to imagine that they would jump at an opportunity to criticize China,” said David Brophy, Senior Lecturer in Modern Chinese History at the University of Sydney.

    Still, it could prove increasingly difficult to maintain their silence, as China’s policies in Xinjiang spill across its borders.

    More - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...own-on-uighurs

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    I won't defend China here, they are just as bad as India, Israel and USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    Tales? Have you recited Surah Kahf?
    I thought the following were mentioned in Sahih Hadith rather than Quran?

    - Jesus (PBUH)
    - Mahdi
    - Dajjal
    - Gog and Magog

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    Omir, who was detained in Karamay, north Xinjiang, described being shackled to a chair, deprived of sleep, and beaten by police in his camp.

    He told the BBC:

    "They have a chair called the 'tiger.' My ankles were shackled, my hands locked to the chair. I couldn't move. They wouldn't let me sleep. They also hung me up for hours, and they beat me.

    "They had thick wooden and rubber batons, whips made from twisted wire, needles to pierce the skin, pliers for pulling out your nails.

    "All these tools were displayed on the table in front of me, ready for use at any time. You could hear other people screaming as well."
    Omir added that he was later moved to another internment camp, where he was forced to share a small room with 45 other people. They took turns sleeping because there was so little space, he told the BBC.

    He said he ended up in a camp after police accused him of aiding Islamic extremists - an allegation he has denied.

    China justifies its surveillance and crackdown in Xinjiang as preventing terrorism, and has repeatedly accused militant Uighurs of starting terrorist attacks across the country since at least the mid-1990s.

    Omir's account squares with previous reporting on the camps, such as that by Simon Denyer of The Washington Post published this May. Kayrat Samarkand, another Uighur who had been imprisoned in a re-education camp, also described being strapped in the "tiger chair" and being waterboarded if he disobeyed orders.

    The torture in China's camps appears to go beyond the physical. Azat, who had visited someone detained in a camp, described seeing detainees literally forced to sing propaganda songs to get food, and watching people he used to know look like the "lost their memory."

    Azat, whose face and voice were obscured for his protection, told the BBC: "It was dinner time. There were at least 1,200 people holding empty plastic bowls in their hands. They had to sing pro-Chinese songs to get food."

    https://www.businessinsider.in/What-...w/65633915.cms
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    It's hardly something unique to Pakistanis and/or Muslims so it's unfair to specifically target them for this but people only care about oppression if it suits their internal bias and their agenda. If this was America/Israel/India/Burma etc treating innocent Muslims like this there would be an uproar among certain quarters and rightly so. It's the same as the Saudi/UAE airstrikes in Yemen. And yet these people still have the gall to pretend that they really care about human rights.

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    China Uighurs: Xinjiang legalises 'reeducation' camps

    China's western Xinjiang region has written "vocational training centres" for Muslim Uighurs into law amid growing international concern over large-scale disappearances there.

    Xinjiang says the centres will tackle extremism through "thought transformation".

    Rights groups say detainees are made to swear loyalty to President Xi Jinping and criticise or renounce their faith.

    In August, China denied allegations that it had locked up a million people.

    But officials attending a UN human rights meeting admitted that Uighurs "deceived by religious extremism" were undergoing re-education and resettlement.

    China's Muslim 'crackdown' explained
    Xinjiang has seen cycles of violence and crackdowns for years. China accuses Islamist militants and separatists of orchestrating the trouble.

    What does the Chinese legislation say?
    Xinjiang's new legislation is the first detailed indication of what China is doing in the region.

    It says examples of behaviour that could lead to detention include expanding the concept of halal - which means permissible in Islam - to areas of life outside diet, refusing to watch state TV and listen to state radio and preventing children from receiving state education.


    Media captionJohn Sudworth reports from Xinjiang, where all filming and reporting by foreign media is tightly controlled
    China says its network of detention centres will also teach Mandarin Chinese, legal concepts and provide vocational training.

    Rights groups have criticised the move. Sophie Richardson from Human Rights Watch said the "words on paper outlining grotesque, vast human rights abuses don't deserve the term 'law'".

    New law bans promoting of religion
    Michael Bristow, BBC News

    By giving these camps a legal footing, China appears to have confirmed what many have been saying for months: that it is running a string of re-education camps for Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang in the name of combating extremism.

    In newly published regulations detailing the camps, China has given them a vague-sounding name. It calls them "vocational skills and educational training centres".

    But it is clear their purpose is not just about giving people the ability to get a better job.

    The regulations say they are for people "influenced by extremism". The point is to correct bad behaviour, and ensure those inside them undergo psychological counselling and ideological education.

    The camps are part of a broader attack on Islamic extremism in Xinjiang.

    The new rules mean it's illegal to spread religious fanaticism by, for example, having "abnormal beards or unusual names".

    And extremism is defined so broadly that it even seems to be applicable to parents who complain if their children want to marry someone of a different faith or ethnic group.

    Is China cracking down on Islam?
    China is also launching a wider campaign against Islamic practices across Xinjiang. It wants to stop the use of halal products that are not food.

    One newspaper said the use of the term halal to describe items such as toothpaste blurred the line between religious and secular life and made people prey to religious extremism.

    China bans beards and veils in Xinjiang
    Profile: What is Xinjiang like?
    On Monday Communist Party leaders in the regional capital Urumqi led cadres in swearing an oath to fight the "pan-halal trend", AFP reported.

    New regulations also make it clear that Muslim women are banned from wearing veils.

    Communist party members and bureaucrats have been told to speak Mandarin Chinese in public and not local languages.

    What are the camps like?
    Former prisoners of the camps have told the BBC of physical as well as psychological torture there. Entire families had disappeared, they said.

    In July, a former teacher at one of the camps who fled to Kazakhstan told a court there that "in China they call it a political camp but really it was a prison in the mountains".

    The New York Times quoted former detainees as saying that they were forced to sing songs such as "Without the Communist Party, There Would Be No New China" and those who could not remember the words were not given breakfast.

    "In the end, all the officials had one key point. The greatness of the Chinese Communist Party, the backwardness of Uighur culture and the advanced nature of Chinese culture," former detainee Abdusalam Muhemet told the newspaper.

    The World Uyghur Congress said in a report that detainees were held indefinitely without charge, and forced to shout Communist Party slogans.

    It said they were poorly fed, and reports of torture were widespread.

    Most inmates have never been charged with a crime, it is claimed, and do not receive legal representation.

    However China's state-run English-language Global Times newspaper maintains the tough security measures in the region have prevented it from turning into "China's Syria" or "China's Libya".

    Who are the Uighurs?
    The Uighurs are ethnically Turkic Muslims mostly based in Xinjiang. They make up about 45% of the population there.

    They see themselves as culturally and ethnically close to Central Asian nations, and their language is similar to Turkish.

    In recent decades, large numbers of Han Chinese (China's ethnic majority) have migrated to Xinjiang, and the Uighurs feel their culture and livelihoods are under threat.

    Xinjiang is officially designated as an autonomous region within China, like Tibet to its south.
    Awaiting the deafening silence from the usual defenders of Muslim Ummah on this forum because its their brother China!

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    The state legalising forced re-education is borderline Nazism. Scary times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    The state legalising forced re-education is borderline Nazism. Scary times.
    The 'Prevent' scheme in the UK, forcing kids including 4 year olds is arguably worse but nobody bats an eyelid?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderwoman View Post
    Awaiting the deafening silence from the usual defenders of Muslim Ummah on this forum because its their brother China!
    Our very own King Khan's posts on this thread highlights the strength of the UMMAH.... Just read some of the silly things he has said on this thread justifying China, this one takes the kingdom:China doesnt allow septatists to flourish. Oh no shi* sherlock neither does India against the Muslim seperatists was hinted by another Indian poster lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    The state legalising forced re-education is borderline Nazism. Scary times.
    It is disgusting to be honest, but what is more scary is that the only ones who will likely fight against it will be the ISIS types who would head over there to support the separatist Muslim movement. No other body will do much, or perhaps is even in a position to do much. China pretty much has a free hand to do what they want over there, I just hope they don't end up using systematic rape and target assassinations of individuals like they do in Kashmir India.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    The 'Prevent' scheme in the UK, forcing kids including 4 year olds is arguably worse but nobody bats an eyelid?
    Is the Prevent strategy worse than these 21st century concentration camps? Prevent is a deeply imperfect scheme but at least it is intended to combat terrorism, whereas the Chinese government is more broadly concerned by anybody not “thinking” in line with what the Chinese state deems to be normal behaviour. Also the methods used by the British and the Chinese are probably quite different.

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    The comparison with Prevent is clutching at straws, Prevent is misinformation and propaganda at worst, no one is forced to eat pork or drink alcohol and God knows what else. At least everyone is allowed to make their own minds up, if you don't like the message you can always choose to ignore it.


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    If it was America or Israel doing this, we would have 20 pages of uproar on this topic.

    But it’s china so everything is good..

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Is the Prevent strategy worse than these 21st century concentration camps? Prevent is a deeply imperfect scheme but at least it is intended to combat terrorism, whereas the Chinese government is more broadly concerned by anybody not “thinking” in line with what the Chinese state deems to be normal behaviour. Also the methods used by the British and the Chinese are probably quite different.
    You mentioned reeducation which I was referring to. Of course 4 year olds are not in camps but the principle of forcing people to think in a certain way and that too when it comes to small children is no better. If you look deep into prevent its a sickening strategy of indoctrination of children in a nation which claims to be free.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    The comparison with Prevent is clutching at straws, Prevent is misinformation and propaganda at worst, no one is forced to eat pork or drink alcohol and God knows what else. At least everyone is allowed to make their own minds up, if you don't like the message you can always choose to ignore it.
    4 year olds can make up their own mind? lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    You mentioned reeducation which I was referring to. Of course 4 year olds are not in camps but the principle of forcing people to think in a certain way and that too when it comes to small children is no better. If you look deep into prevent its a sickening strategy of indoctrination of children in a nation which claims to be free.
    Ok fair enough. What’s your opinion then on these Chinese camps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Ok fair enough. What’s your opinion then on these Chinese camps?
    There is little information regarding the conditions inside and what is taught. Most of the information comes from people who were 'detained', painting a unpleasant picture. I cant recall anyone mentioning any physical abuse but most were upset with drumming of Chinese nationalism, including singing songs before they were given their meals. There are satellite photos which show these camps but Ive not seen evidence to suggest a million people are being held, more like thousands.

    The Chinese say these are necessary to combat the violent separatist movement before it goes out of hand. They also claim the conditions inside are good and nobody is abused. It would be good for them to show the inside of the camps but they are a secretive people and many feel China is going back to the harder version of communism. I dont believe anybody should be detained unless they are guilty of a crime and im not even sure if such moves will make things better or worse for China. In terms of the reeducation, they feel the people being held are given training to find jobs and other educational skills with communist national rhetoric thrown in. I hope the people inside are not being hurt and should be released quickly. The most important thing to remember is China doesn't have a Muslim problem, there are thousands of mosques in China and arguably of all the religions in China, Islam is flourishing the most. It's a separatist issue.


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    Now being picked up by the wider media!

    Funny how the 'elite ummah' cannot stand certain cases of 'blasphemy', but all is fair in the case of the Rohingyas, Kashmiris, Uighurs....etc!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources...a_hidden_camps

    The fact is double standards exist in each and every one of us, so no one to blame really!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortbread View Post
    Now being picked up by the wider media!

    Funny how the 'elite ummah' cannot stand certain cases of 'blasphemy', but all is fair in the case of the Rohingyas, Kashmiris, Uighurs....etc!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources...a_hidden_camps

    The fact is double standards exist in each and every one of us, so no one to blame really!
    Shush. It needs to be covered by Tianjin.co.cn first. The BBC belong to Britain - who are only good to emigrate to and leach off benefits from, ignore what they have to say.

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    Human rights are a universal principle and not something to be brought up as and when convenient.

    Saudi Arabia have just dismembered a journalist in a foreign country and has pushed the poorest country in the Middle East to starvation. The US are tearing up international agreements and giving blank check to the Saudis in their war on Yemen. Turkey have becomes increasingly autocratic under Erdogan whilst Russia are adopting a more aggressive foreign policy. The Israeli-Palestinian peace process is virtually nonexistent with further expansion of settlements and racist laws being introduced. Syria has imploded with an unimaginably high cost to civilians. The Rohingyas have faced a campaign of ethnic cleansing whilst unrest continues in Kashmir.

    We now hear China are running massive internment camps in Xinjiang province and are detaining thousands without trial or just cause.

    What's worrying is not only that these acts of repression are occurring, but the impunity in which nations are committing these acts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Human rights are a universal principle and not something to be brought up as and when convenient.

    Saudi Arabia have just dismembered a journalist in a foreign country and has pushed the poorest country in the Middle East to starvation. The US are tearing up international agreements and giving blank check to the Saudis in their war on Yemen. Turkey have becomes increasingly autocratic under Erdogan whilst Russia are adopting a more aggressive foreign policy. The Israeli-Palestinian peace process is virtually nonexistent with further expansion of settlements and racist laws being introduced. Syria has imploded with an unimaginably high cost to civilians. The Rohingyas have faced a campaign of ethnic cleansing whilst unrest continues in Kashmir.

    We now hear China are running massive internment camps in Xinjiang province and are detaining thousands without trial or just cause.

    What's worrying is not only that these acts of repression are occurring, but the impunity in which nations are committing these acts.
    This has always been the case, isn't it?

    The present generation simply has more exposure because how news travels faster, wider and easier than ever before. All of us pick, choose and shout about what we like to hear and ignore what we do not.

    The suffering will always be there sadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Human rights are a universal principle and not something to be brought up as and when convenient.

    Saudi Arabia have just dismembered a journalist in a foreign country and has pushed the poorest country in the Middle East to starvation. The US are tearing up international agreements and giving blank check to the Saudis in their war on Yemen. Turkey have becomes increasingly autocratic under Erdogan whilst Russia are adopting a more aggressive foreign policy. The Israeli-Palestinian peace process is virtually nonexistent with further expansion of settlements and racist laws being introduced. Syria has imploded with an unimaginably high cost to civilians. The Rohingyas have faced a campaign of ethnic cleansing whilst unrest continues in Kashmir.

    We now hear China are running massive internment camps in Xinjiang province and are detaining thousands without trial or just cause.

    What's worrying is not only that these acts of repression are occurring, but the impunity in which nations are committing these acts.
    That is because when there is no common agreement on what we should refer to as human rights, what comes first is 'the nation's self-interest'. Obviously when you buy into this philosophy, then it creates a conflict when you are indebted to allies who don't share those beliefs.

    Our Indian friends can keep pointing the finger of double standards, but quite clearly Pakistan has decided to put it's national self interest above their commitment to Pan-islam. What is it they expect from Pakistan in this scenario? A re-commitment to the Islamic tenets of international brotherhood and breaking of all ties with China?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Shush. It needs to be covered by Tianjin.co.cn first. The BBC belong to Britain - who are only good to emigrate to and leach off benefits from, ignore what they have to say.
    False propaganda by enemies against the iron brother.

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    Chinese city tells Muslims who consider alcohol forbidden to hand themselves in to authorities

    A Chinese city has ordered members of a Muslim minority group to turn themselves in to authorities if they observe practices such as abstention from alcohol.

    Hami city government in the far-western Xinjiang region said people “poisoned by extremism, terrorism and separatism” would be treated leniently if they surrendered within the next 30 days.

    The move comes as Beijing faces increasing international scrutiny over its treatment of the Uighur Muslim minority and other ethnic groups living in Xinjiang.

    As many as a million Uighurs are thought to have been rounded up and placed in “re-education” centres, in what China claims is a clampdown on religious extremism.

    The government message to Muslims in Xinjiang warned actions from contact with overseas terror groups to conservative Islamic behaviour would require individuals to turn themselves in.

    Those who reject government-provided housing, alcohol or cigarettes on the basis they are “haram”, or forbidden by Islam, were ordered to notify authorities.

    Advocating people live their lives entirely in accordance with the Quran or preventing dancing at weddings were also listed as problematic behaviours.

    “All individuals involved in terrorist crimes and poisoned by the 'three evil forces' are urged to surrender themselves to the judicial organs within 30 days and to confess and hand over the facts of your crime,“ the notice said.

    China has for decades sought to stamp out Islam in order to maintain its influence on Xinjiang, where almost half of the 24 million-strong population are from Uighur or other Muslim minority backgrounds.

    Authorities claim the region is under serious threat of attacks by Islamist extremists aiming to stir up tensions between the ethnic Han Chinese majority and the Muslim population.

    In August, a United Nations human rights panel said it had received many credible reports that a million or more Uighurs and other minorities are being held in what resembles a “massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy”.

    China insists it is not enforcing arbitrary detention and political re-education.

    However, those who have spent time in the centres say they were forced to undergo an intensive indoctrination programme, urged to renounce Islam and instead heap praise on the Chinese Communist Party.

    Aside from mass detentions, human rights groups also say the Chinese government has significantly raised limitations on everyday religious observances in the region.

    Last month, the region's capital Urumqi launched a campaign targeting halal products, like food and toothpaste, which are produced according to Islamic law, in order to prevent what it sees as the incursion of Islam into secular life.

    Reports have also circulated authorities are collecting biometric data and voice samples from Uighur citizens when they apply for identification cards or passports.

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    China Bans ‘Muhammad’ and ‘Jihad’ as Baby Names in Heavily Muslim Region





    By Javier C. Hernández
    April 25, 2017

    BEIJING — The Chinese government, further tightening its grip on Muslims in western China, has prohibited parents from choosing names like “Muhammad,” “Arafat” and “Jihad” for their children.

    Officials described the ban, introduced this month, as part of an effort to “curb religious fervor” in the western region of Xinjiang, home to more than 10 million Uighurs, a mostly Muslim minority group.

    The government considers Xinjiang a hotbed of Islamic extremism, violence and separatist thought. But many Uighurs say the government’s strict limits on worship and speech are responsible for tensions in the region.

    The list of names, a copy of which was provided to The New York Times by Uighur activists, is titled, “List of Banned Ethnic Minority Names.” It bans more than two dozen names, including “Mujahid” and “Medina.”

    Security officials in Urumqi and other cities in Xinjiang confirmed the ban. Some said in interviews that if residents did not comply, they risked forfeiting critical benefits for their children, including education and health care.

    Rights advocates said the ban showed the lengths to which the government would go to limit the civil liberties of Uighurs in the name of fighting terrorism.


    “China’s policies are increasingly hostile,” said Dilxat Raxit, a spokesman for the World Uyghur Congress, a group in Munich that advocates self-determination for Xinjiang. “Uighur people have to be cautious if they want to give their children names they are happy with, and at the same time avoid punishment from the government.”

    Sophie Richardson, the China director of Human Rights Watch, said that choosing baby names should be a “joyful, private discussion.”

    “This is the latest absurd restriction that the Chinese government has imposed on people in Xinjiang,” she wrote in an email.


    To combat what officials describe as extremism in Xinjiang, the Chinese government has put in place a series of restrictions in recent years. Earlier this month, for example, security officials imposed bans on long beards and veils in public places.

    This year, officials held large rallies of paramilitary and police forces as a show of force in Xinjiang. The region has struggled with clashes between residents and security officials and occasional acts of domestic terrorism.

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    China and Pakistan are strategic partners and need each other on many fronts, but seriously I would man up and ask questions of our Chinese friends. If China can be our friend then so can Israel. Why the hypocrisy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gazza619 View Post
    China and Pakistan are strategic partners and need each other on many fronts, but seriously I would man up and ask questions of our Chinese friends. If China can be our friend then so can Israel. Why the hypocrisy?
    What is Israel offering to Pakistan in comparison to China?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeraq View Post
    I won't defend China here, they are just as bad as India, Israel and USA.
    I wasn't aware that India had re-education camps for Muslims. All I knew was that Kashmiri Muslims had all the democratic rights including freedom of religion plus some extra rights under Article 370.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    I wasn't aware that India had re-education camps for Muslims. All I knew was that Kashmiri Muslims had all the democratic rights including freedom of religion plus some extra rights under Article 370.
    My point being that all of the countries listed in my post are involved in Crimes against humanity but because of their political, economic clout they can get away with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeraq View Post
    My point being that all of the countries listed in my post are involved in Crimes against humanity but because of their political, economic clout they can get away with it.
    No noteworthy crimes against humanity in Pakistan ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILcricket View Post
    No noteworthy crimes against humanity in Pakistan ?
    Is that even relevant to the OP any more?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeraq View Post
    My point being that all of the countries listed in my post are involved in Crimes against humanity but because of their political, economic clout they can get away with it.
    If you are going to make a list of all countries involved in crimes against humanity, then I can name about 50 which are worse than India. The list would include Pakistan, all dictatorships in the world including China, and Western democracies that have started the numerous wars all over the world.

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    that question was meant for the poster whose answer i quoted .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILcricket View Post
    that question was meant for the poster whose answer i quoted .
    But still contributing to the thread going off track. The point of the OP was to show China is anti-Muslim, yet Pakistan is very cosy with it. The OP is an Indian nationalist so I presume his motive was to show Pakistan's hypocrisy from a religion POV while exonerating India.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    But still contributing to the thread going off track. The point of the OP was to show China is anti-Muslim, yet Pakistan is very cosy with it. The OP is an Indian nationalist so I presume his motive was to show Pakistan's hypocrisy from a religion POV while exonerating India.
    & the poster whose reply i quoted ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILcricket View Post
    & the poster whose reply i quoted ?
    He was replying to the nationalistic grandstanding of the OP, as already established a proud Indian nationalist. The two countries whose credentials of Islamophobia being addressed here are clearly India and China, thus his response was perfectly in keeping with the thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ILcricket View Post
    No noteworthy crimes against humanity in Pakistan ?
    Where did I state that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    If you are going to make a list of all countries involved in crimes against humanity, then I can name about 50 which are worse than India. The list would include Pakistan, all dictatorships in the world including China, and Western democracies that have started the numerous wars all over the world.
    I was responding to the OP, you are free to list them and make a thread but please stop this whataboutery.


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    a biased list ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeraq View Post
    Where did I state that?



    I was responding to the OP, you are free to list them and make a thread but please stop this whataboutery.
    What sort of foolishness is this? The OP starts a thread about China, you bring India into the discussion. When I point out that including India in the discussion is foolish, you accuse me of "whataboutery"???

    Why did you particularly pick India to include in this discussion when there was no mention of India in the OP, and not pick any of the worse human rights offenders?
    Last edited by Napa; 28th November 2018 at 03:14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HussainRx8 View Post
    The reality is a bit more nuanced than what you're led to believe. For a better understanding, see the article by the Economist below:

    China’s other Muslims
    By choosing assimilation, China’s Hui have become one of the world’s most successful Muslim minorities

    https://www.economist.com/china/2016...-other-muslims
    It really is ethnicity. The Hui's are ethnically Hans like the majority of Chinese, whereas the Uyghurs are ethnically Turks.

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    No jihad against China? where are the virtual mullahs? Why they hate Israel and India only? Pakistani Muslims are the biggest hypocrites you will ever find on earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aukhan View Post
    No jihad against China? where are the virtual mullahs? Why they hate Israel and India only? Pakistani Muslims are the biggest hypocrites you will ever find on earth.
    Which Pakistanis are calling for Jihad against India and Israel?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    What sort of foolishness is this? The OP starts a thread about China, you bring India into the discussion. When I point out that including India in the discussion is foolish, you accuse me of "whataboutery"???

    Why did you particularly pick India to include in this discussion when there was no mention of India in the OP, and not pick any of the worse human rights offenders?
    The premise of the thread is why do Muslims criticize other countries but not China? I just agreed with the OP that my views are the same regarding China and Muslims should speak out more against them like they do against other countries like India, Israel and USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeraq View Post
    The premise of the thread is why do Muslims criticize other countries but not China? I just agreed with the OP that my views are the same regarding China and Muslims should speak out more against them like they do against other countries like India, Israel and USA.
    Your earlier post said "I won't defend China here, they are just as bad as India, Israel and USA."

    The idea that Muslims thrown into reeducation (concentration) camps where they are starved and forced to eat pork has any similarity with what is happening in India where Muslims have all the rights and freedoms to practice their religion like other Indians is very foolish.

    Indian defense forces shooting back when they are attacked in no way shape or form can be compared to what is going on in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Your earlier post said "I won't defend China here, they are just as bad as India, Israel and USA."

    The idea that Muslims thrown into reeducation (concentration) camps where they are starved and forced to eat pork has any similarity with what is happening in India where Muslims have all the rights and freedoms to practice their religion like other Indians is very foolish.

    Indian defense forces shooting back when they are attacked in no way shape or form can be compared to what is going on in China.
    Please don't just read my reply but the OP and subsequent replies in the thread as well. Every country have their on set of problems and I was just making a broad comparison it was never meant to be a nitty-gritty analysis.

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    The behaviour of China is shocking and these poor Muslims have no one to speak for them. The Chinese will pay a heavy price for their brutality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Your earlier post said "I won't defend China here, they are just as bad as India, Israel and USA."

    The idea that Muslims thrown into reeducation (concentration) camps where they are starved and forced to eat pork has any similarity with what is happening in India where Muslims have all the rights and freedoms to practice their religion like other Indians is very foolish.

    Indian defense forces shooting back when they are attacked in no way shape or form can be compared to what is going on in China.
    If the intention of the OP wasn't to compare Pakistan's differing attitude towards India and China's treatment of their Muslim population, then what is the problem with Pakistan staying silent on China's abuse of Muslims?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    But still contributing to the thread going off track. The point of the OP was to show China is anti-Muslim, yet Pakistan is very cosy with it. The OP is an Indian nationalist so I presume his motive was to show Pakistan's hypocrisy from a religion POV while exonerating India.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    He was replying to the nationalistic grandstanding of the OP, as already established a proud Indian nationalist. The two countries whose credentials of Islamophobia being addressed here are clearly India and China, thus his response was perfectly in keeping with the thread.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    If the intention of the OP wasn't to compare Pakistan's differing attitude towards India and China's treatment of their Muslim population , then what is the problem with Pakistan staying silent on China's abuse of Muslims?
    Too many assumptions about me, please stop and stick to topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    The behaviour of China is shocking and these poor Muslims have no one to speak for them. The Chinese will pay a heavy price for their brutality.
    Ehh...no they won't. Nothing will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    If the intention of the OP wasn't to compare Pakistan's differing attitude towards India and China's treatment of their Muslim population, then what is the problem with Pakistan staying silent on China's abuse of Muslims?
    Your post is at best only slightly related to my post that I quoted. Why do you not address the actual substance of my post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Ehh...no they won't. Nothing will happen.
    Lets see- throughout history all Empires think they are untouchable and then within a short space they collapse. Allah is the best planners and the Chinese will suffer their fate like all evil people before them. Nobody ever thought the Berlin Wall collapse but when it happened nobody could believe it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Your post is at best only slightly related to my post that I quoted. Why do you not address the actual substance of my post?
    Because you yourself in the same post have objected to India being dragged into this thread, and for me to address the rest of your post I would have to do so. Make your mind up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Because you yourself in the same post have objected to India being dragged into this thread, and for me to address the rest of your post I would have to do so. Make your mind up.
    For a wannabe Englishman, your lack of comprehension of the written language is frankly quite shocking. I wrote:

    Your earlier post said "I won't defend China here, they are just as bad as India, Israel and USA."

    The idea that Muslims thrown into reeducation (concentration) camps where they are starved and forced to eat pork has any similarity with what is happening in India where Muslims have all the rights and freedoms to practice their religion like other Indians is very foolish.

    Indian defense forces shooting back when they are attacked in no way shape or form can be compared to what is going on in China.
    The post is a simple comparison India and China's treatment of Muslims. There is no "you yourself in the same post have objected to India being dragged into this thread" in the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    What sort of foolishness is this? The OP starts a thread about China, you bring India into the discussion. When I point out that including India in the discussion is foolish, you accuse me of "whataboutery"???

    Why did you particularly pick India to include in this discussion when there was no mention of India in the OP, and not pick any of the worse human rights offenders?
    There you are complaining about India being brought into the discussion. My apologies for saying it was in the same post, in fact it was an earlier one, but clearly I heeded your message and tried not to make pointless comparisons.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Lets see- throughout history all Empires think they are untouchable and then within a short space they collapse. Allah is the best planners and the Chinese will suffer their fate like all evil people before them.
    Bah this is the usual copout. "One day Israel will cease to exist." "One day China will pay the ultimate price."

    You need to be more concrete and come up with an actual battle plan to show these evil nations their place rather than wistfully rely on hope and prayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    Lets see- throughout history all Empires think they are untouchable and then within a short space they collapse. Allah is the best planners and the Chinese will suffer their fate like all evil people before them. Nobody ever thought the Berlin Wall collapse but when it happened nobody could believe it.
    Dont get what you are saying here, was Allah unable to stop the Chinese from doing what they wanted.

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    Revealed: new evidence of China's mission to raze the mosques of Xinjiang

    Guardian and Bellingcat investigation finds more than two dozen Islamic religious sites partly or completely demolished since 2016

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    I find it hilarious that Indians are so concerned about Chinese Muslims, while they support their own terrorist army and government when they rape, murder and maim Kashmiri Muslims. Height of hypocrisy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    I find it hilarious that Indians are so concerned about Chinese Muslims, while they support their own terrorist army and government when they rape, murder and maim Kashmiri Muslims. Height of hypocrisy.
    Indians also find it hilarious when Pakistanis shed tears for Palestinians and Kashmiris while being in bed with Chinese who are doing far worse to Chinese Muslims. It goes both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Indians also find it hilarious when Pakistanis shed tears for Palestinians and Kashmiris while being in bed with Chinese who are doing far worse to Chinese Muslims. It goes both ways.
    I've seen a lot of Pakistanis show concern for Chinese Muslims on twitter. Very few here though.

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    Qatar Withdraws Support for China Over Its Treatment of Muslims

    Qatar withdrew from a letter signed by dozens of countries expressing support for China’s human-rights record despite growing international condemnation over its detention of as many as two million ethnic Muslim Uighurs.

    Qatar informed United Nations Human Rights Council President Coly Seck of its decision to withdraw from the July 12 letter, which was signed by mostly majority-Muslim nations, according to a copy of the correspondence seen by Bloomberg. Several calls and e-mails to Qatar’s government communications office and the UN mission weren’t returned.

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    Absolutely disgusting and appalling China, India and Israel’s treatment of Muslims.

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    So Imran Khan and Pakistanis can only see Kashmir but they have no issues shaking hands with China. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balthazar View Post
    So Imran Khan and Pakistanis can only see Kashmir but they have no issues shaking hands with China. LOL
    Pakistan issue with India is different, its over territory of land an every excuse would obviously be used.

    If Pakistan violated human rights, india wouldn't care about it, but in a matter of discussion India would bring it up to justify there say


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornbill View Post
    Macron ain't gonna say nothing about Chinese Muslims or their rights. He probably won't say anything about Hong Kong as well. Don't hold your breath.

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    May God help Uighur people. What China has been doing to them is wrong.


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    Global retailers are facing scrutiny over cotton supplies sourced from Xinjiang, a Chinese region plagued by allegations of human rights abuses.

    China is one of the world's top cotton producers and most of its crop is grown in Xinjiang.

    Rights groups say Xinjiang's Uighur minority are being persecuted and recruited for forced labour.

    Many brands are thought to indirectly source cotton products from the Xinjiang region in China's far west.

    Japanese retailers Muji and Uniqlo attracted attention recently after a report highlighted the brands used the Xinjiang-origin of their cotton as a selling point in advertisements.

    H&M, Esprit and Adidas are among the firms said to be at the end of supply chains involving cotton products from Xinjiang, according to a Wall Street Journal investigation.

    "You can't be sure that you don't have coerced labour in your supply chain if you do cotton business in China," said Nathan Ruser, researcher at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.

    "Xinjiang labour and what is almost certainly coerced labour is very deeply entrenched into the supply chain that exists in Xinjiang."

    What is happening in Xinjiang?
    UN experts and human rights groups say China is holding more than a million Uighurs and other ethnic minorities in vast detention camps.

    Rights groups also say people in camps are made to learn Mandarin Chinese, swear loyalty to President Xi Jinping, and criticise or renounce their faith.

    China says those people are attending "vocational training centres" which are giving them jobs and helping them integrate into Chinese society, in the name of preventing terrorism.

    What is produced in Xinjiang?
    The Xinjiang region is a key hub of Chinese cotton production.

    China produces about 22% of global cotton supplies, according to a report by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).

    Last year, 84% of Chinese cotton came from Xinjiang, the report said.

    That has raised concerns over whether forced labour has been used in the production of cotton from the region.

    Nury Turkel, chairman of the Uighur Human Rights Project in Washington, said the Uighurs were being "detained and tormented" and "swept into a vast system of forced labor" in Xinjiang.

    In testimony to US congress, he said it was becoming "increasingly hard to ignore the fact" that the goods manufactured in the region have "a high likelihood" of being produced with forced labour.

    Which brands use Xinjiang cotton?
    Amy Lehr, director of CSIS Human Rights Initiative, said in many cases Western companies aren't buying directly from factories in Xinjiang.

    "Rather, the products may go through several stages of transformation after leaving Xinjiang before they are sent to large Western brands," she said.

    Some, like Muji, are very open about sourcing material from Xinjiang.

    The Japanese retail chain launched a new Xinjiang Cotton collection earlier this year.

    One of its advertisements boasts "soft and breathable" men's shirts made from organic cotton "delicately and wholly handpicked in Xinjiang".

    Another Japanese fashion brand Uniqlo had also touted the Xinjiang region in an advertisement advertisment for men's shirts.

    In the fine print of the shirt description, the advert said the shirts were made from Xinjiang cotton, "famous for its superb quality".

    That reference was later removed from the advertisement "given the complexity of this issue", according to a spokesperson for Uniqlo.

    "Uniqlo does not have any production partners located in the Xinjiang region. Moreover, Uniqlo production partners must commit to our strict company code of conduct.

    "To the best of our knowledge, this means our cotton comes only from ethical sources," the spokesperson told the BBC.

    According to the Wall Street Journal report which focused on workers at a mill operated by Huafu Fashion in Aksu, Xinjiang, yarn made in the region was present in the supply chains of several international retailers including H&M, Esprit and Adidas.

    Many of the companies looked into the allegations, including those without clear links to the Huafu mill.

    In a statement to the BBC, Adidas said: "While we do not have a contractual relationship with Huafu Fashion Co., or any direct leverage with this business entity or its subsidiary, we are currently investigating these claims."

    "We advised our material suppliers to place no orders with Huafu until we have completed those investigations," the Adidas spokesperson said.

    Esprit, which also does not source cotton directly from Xinjiang, said it had made several inquiries earlier this year.

    "We concluded that a very small amount of cotton from a Huafu factory in Xinjiang was used in a limited number of Esprit garments," the firm said in a statement.

    The company has instructed all suppliers to not source Huafu yarn from Aksu, the statement said.

    H&M said it does not have "a direct or indirect business relationship" with any garment manufacturer in the Xinjiang region.

    "We have an indirect business relationship with Huafu's spinning unit in Shanyu, which is not located in the Xinjiang region, and according to our data, the vast majority of the yarn used for our garment manufacturing comes from this spinning unit," a spokesperson for H&M said.

    "Since we have an indirect business relationship with the yarn supplier Huafu, we also asked for access to their spinning facilities in Aksu. Our investigations showed no evidence of forced labor."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Major View Post
    Pakistan issue with India is different, its over territory of land an every excuse would obviously be used.

    If Pakistan violated human rights, india wouldn't care about it, but in a matter of discussion India would bring it up to justify there say
    If that's the reason for IK to speak up for kashmir (disputed land in POV of Pakistan), why he is commenting on Assam NRC? Assam is an integral part of India with no disputes with Pakistan or any other country and what procedures should be taken for illegal Bangladeshis should be an internal matter of India.

    Unless.... He claims its a Muslim brotherhood issue which in turn will bring Chinese Muslim in the picture.

    One shouldn't take one criteria for a set of Muslims and another for another set of Muslims in order to fulfill their own interest. Isn't so?

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    Leaked documents detail for the first time China's systematic brainwashing of hundreds of thousands of Muslims in a network of high-security prison camps.

    The Chinese government has consistently claimed the camps in the far western Xinjiang region offer voluntary education and training.

    But official documents, seen by BBC Panorama, show how inmates are locked up, indoctrinated and punished.

    China's UK ambassador dismissed the documents as fake news.

    The leak was made to the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ), which has worked with 17 media partners, including BBC Panorama and The Guardian newspaper in the UK.

    The investigation has found new evidence which undermines Beijing's claim that the detention camps, which have been built across Xinjiang in the past three years, are for voluntary re-education purposes to counter extremism.

    About a million people - mostly from the Muslim Uighur community - are thought to have been detained without trial.

    The leaked Chinese government documents, which the ICIJ have labelled "The China Cables", include a nine-page memo sent out in 2017 by Zhu Hailun, then deputy-secretary of Xinjiang's Communist Party and the region's top security official, to those who run the camps.

    The instructions make it clear that the camps should be run as high security prisons, with strict discipline, punishments and no escapes.

    The memo includes orders to:

    "Never allow escapes"
    "Increase discipline and punishment of behavioural violations"
    "Promote repentance and confession"
    "Make remedial Mandarin studies the top priority"
    "Encourage students to truly transform"
    "[Ensure] full video surveillance coverage of dormitories and classrooms free of blind spots"
    The documents reveal how every aspect of a detainee's life is monitored and controlled: "The students should have a fixed bed position, fixed queue position, fixed classroom seat, and fixed station during skills work, and it is strictly forbidden for this to be changed.

    "Implement behavioural norms and discipline requirements for getting up, roll call, washing, going to the toilet, organising and housekeeping, eating, studying, sleeping, closing the door and so forth."

    Other documents confirm the extraordinary scale of the detentions. One reveals that 15,000 people from southern Xinjiang were sent to the camps over the course of just one week in 2017.

    Sophie Richardson, the China director at Human Rights Watch, said the leaked memo should be used by prosecutors.

    "This is an actionable piece of evidence, documenting a gross human rights violation," she said. "I think it's fair to describe everyone being detained as being subject at least to psychological torture, because they literally don't know how long they're going to be there."

    The memo details how detainees will only be released when they can demonstrate they have transformed their behaviour, beliefs and language.

    "Promote the repentance and confession of the students for them to understand deeply the illegal, criminal and dangerous nature of their past activity," it says.

    "For those who harbour vague understandings, negative attitudes or even feelings of resistance… carry out education transformation to ensure that results are achieved."

    Ben Emmerson QC, a leading human rights lawyer and an adviser to the World Uighur Congress, said the camps were trying to change people's identity.

    "It is very difficult to view that as anything other than a mass brainwashing scheme designed and directed at an entire ethnic community.

    "It's a total transformation that is designed specifically to wipe the Muslim Uighurs of Xinjiang as a separate cultural group off the face of the Earth."
    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50511063.


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    The man behind China’s detention of 1 million Muslims
    After bloody race riots rocked China’s far west a decade ago, the ruling Communist Party turned to a rare figure in their ranks to restore order: a Han Chinese official fluent in Uighur, the language of the local Turkic Muslim minority.

    Now, newly revealed, confidential documents show that the official, Zhu Hailun, played a key role in planning and executing a campaign that has swept up a million or more Uighurs into detention camps.

    Published in 2017, the documents were signed by Zhu, as then-head of the powerful Political and Legal Affairs Commission of the Communist Party in the Xinjiang region. A Uighur linguist recognized Zhu’s signature scrawled atop some of the documents from his time working as a translator in Kashgar, when Zhu was the city’s top official.

    “When I saw them, I knew they were important,” said the linguist, Abduweli Ayup, who now lives in exile. “He’s a guy who wants to control power in his hands. Everything.”

    Zhu, 61, did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

    Long before the crackdown and despite his intimate familiarity with local culture, Zhu was more hated than loved among the Uighurs he ruled.

    He was born in 1958 in rural Jiangsu on China’s coast. In his teens, during China’s tumultuous Cultural Revolution, Zhu was sent to Kargilik county, deep in the Uighur heartland in Xinjiang. He never left.

    Zhu joined the Party in 1980 and moved up Xinjiang’s bureaucracy, helming hotspot cities. By the 90s, he was so fluent in Uighur that he corrected his own translators during meetings.

    “If you didn’t see him, you’d never imagine he’s Han Chinese. When he spoke Uighur, he really spoke just like a Uighur, since he grew up with them,” said a Uighur businessman living in exile in Turkey, who declined to be named out of fear of retribution.

    The businessman first heard of Zhu from a Uighur friend who dealt with the official while doing business. His friend was impressed, describing Zhu as “very capable” — a Han Chinese bureaucrat the Uighurs could work with. But after years of observing Zhu oversee crackdowns and arrests, the businessman soon came to a different conclusion.

    “He’s a crafty fox. The really cunning sort, the kind that plays with your brain,” he said. “He was a key character for the Communist Party’s policies to control Southern Xinjiang.”

    Ayup, the linguist, met Zhu in 1998, when he came to inspect his township. He was notorious for ordering 3 a.m. raids of Uighur homes, and farmers would sing a popular folk song called ‘Zhu Hailun is coming’ to poke fun at his hard and unyielding nature.

    He gave orders like farmers were soldiers. All of us were his soldiers,” Ayup said. “Han Chinese controlled our homeland. We knew we needed to stay in our place.”

    Months after a July 5, 2009 riot left hundreds dead in the region’s capital of Urumqi, Zhu was tapped to replace the city’s chief. Beijing almost always flew in officials from other provinces for the job, in part as training for higher posts. But central officials on a fact-finding mission in Urumqi concluded that Zhu, seen as tougher than his predecessor, needed to take charge.

    “They were super unhappy,” said a Uighur former cadre who declined to be named out of fear of retribution. “It had never happened before, but because locals said he was outstanding at maintaining stability, he was snatched up and installed as Urumqi Party Secretary.”

    Upon appointment, Zhu spent three days holed up in the city’s police command, vowing to tighten the government’s grip. Police swept through Uighur neighborhoods, brandishing rifles and rounding up hundreds for trial. Tens of thousands of surveillance cameras were installed.

    But instead of healing ethnic divisions, the crackdown hardened them. Matters came to a head in April 2014, when Chinese President Xi Jinping came to Xinjiang on a state visit. Just hours after his departure, bombs tore through an Urumqi train station, killing three and injuring 79.

    Xi vowed to clamp down even harder.

    In 2016, Beijing appointed a new leader for Xinjiang — Chen Quanguo. Chen, whose first name means “whole country”, had built a reputation as a hard-hitting official who pioneered digital surveillance tactics in Tibet.

    Zhu was his right-hand man. Appointed head of the region’s security and legal apparatus, Zhu laid the groundwork for an all-seeing state surveillance system that could automatically identify targets for arrest. He crisscrossed the region to inspect internment centers, police stations, checkpoints and other components of an emerging surveillance and detention apparatus.

    After Chen’s arrival, Uighurs began disappearing by the thousands. The leaked documents show that Zhu directed mass arrests, signing off on notices ordering police to use digital surveillance to investigate people for having visited foreign countries, using certain mobile applications, or being related to “suspicious persons”. State television shows that Zhu continued on his relentless tour of Xinjiang’s camps, checkpoints, and police stations, personally guiding the mass detention campaign.

    Zhu stepped down last year after turning 60, in line with traditional practice for Communist Party cadres of Zhu’s rank. Chen remains in his post.

    “Chen Quanguo came in the name of the Party,” said the Uighur businessman. “Zhu knows how to implement, who to capture, what to do.”
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    Assuming all this is true, which I have no reason to believe it isn't, I am disgusted. Those who have seen my posts on religion know that I think it's all unsubstantiated, archaic and that scripture is vile (mainly in regards to the Abrahamic faith) but that doesn't mean I hold any ill-will against the believers of these religions. If a God does exist, I truly hope they strike down the ones oppressing these innocent people and release them.

    I do understand why Pakistan have been mostly silent on this issue, however. China are a huge ally to them, and they simply can't lose them. I understand it seems horrible (especially from a Muslim point of view), but IK must put the interests of Pakistan first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Each are bad. No need to denigrate any effort.
    I know this post is a year old, but you cannot compare freedom of expression to draw a historical figure (no matter how important said figure is to a group of people) to literal concentration camps. The 'blasphemy contest' isn't 'bad', maybe distasteful, sure, but that is in no way a violation of human rights.

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    A US teenager's TikTok video clip accusing China of putting Muslims into "concentration camps" has gone viral on the Chinese-owned social network.

    The post appears to be about beauty tips at its start - but the young woman then changes tack to ask her viewers to raise awareness of what she describes as a "another Holocaust".

    Feroza Aziz later tweeted that TikTok had blocked her from posting new content, as a result.

    TikTok has disputed this.

    "TikTok does not moderate content due to political sensitivities," a spokesman told BBC News. Although, Douyin, the Chinese version of the app, on which Ms Aziz's posts would not have appeared, is politically censored.

    The company had permanently banned one of Ms Aziz's old TikTok accounts on, 15 November, for posting an unrelated video that had broken its rules on terrorism-related material, he said.

    As an additional measure, it had then blocked her smartphone, on 25 November, but that too had been unrelated to her posts about China.

    "Her new account and its videos, including the eyelash video in question, were not affected and continue to receive views," the spokesman added.

    BBC News has contacted Ms Aziz and her family for comment.

    For its part, the Chinese government has consistently said the camps in question offer voluntary education and training, despite evidence to the contrary.

    Ms Aziz posted three videos about China's treatment of the Uighur Muslims, between Sunday and Monday.

    The first has been watched more than 1.4 million times and "liked" nearly 500,000 times on the app.

    A copy uploaded to Twitter by other TikTok users has attracted a further five million views.

    And further copies have been posted to YouTube and Instagram.

    Part of the videos' appeal is they are presented as a deliberate attempt to circumvent supposed censorship by TikTok's Beijing-based owner, Bytedance.

    Ms Aziz bookends her critical comments with talk about to make eyelashes look longer.

    "I say that so TikTok doesn't take down my videos," she explains in one of the recordings.

    While the version of TikTok used in mainland China does censor criticism of the Chinese Communist Party, the company says it does not take the same action against posts to the separate library of user-generated content it offers elsewhere.

    And it notes other clips about the mistreatment of Uighurs within Chinese camps have been allowed to remain on its international platform, although they do not tend to get anywhere close to the amount of attention Ms Aziz has generated.

    The 17-year-old's videos were posted the same week BBC Panorama revealed how leaked documents detailed some of the measures used to brainwash hundreds of thousands of Muslims in the western region of Xinjiang.

    They undermine China's claims attendance at the camps is voluntary and designed to counter extremism.

    China's UK ambassador has dismissed the documents as "fake news".

    Ms Aziz provides her own list of abuses.

    "Spreading awareness does wonders," she says.

    "We can reach millions across the world [and] reach those with the power to do something about it."

    The BBC has also confirmed that Ms Aziz is in control of a Twitter account created earlier this month. She has tweeted that TikTok has given her a one-month suspension and said that "China is terrified of the news [about the camps] spreading".

    Others have picked up on her posts, including a member of the Australian Strategic Policy Institute think tank, who called Ms Aziz's use of TikTok "creatively subversive".
    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50559656.


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    US House votes for sanctions on Chinese officials over Uighur treatment


    The US House of Representatives has passed a bill to counter what it calls "arbitrary detention, torture, and harassment" of Uighur Muslims in China.

    The bill calls for "targeted sanctions" on members of the Chinese government - and specifically names the Communist Party secretary in the Xinjiang autonomous region, Chen Quanguo.

    The bill still needs to be approved by the Senate and President Trump.

    China's foreign ministry insisted Xinjiang was an "internal affair".

    The passing of the bill comes just days after Mr Trump signed into law a bill that supports pro-democracy protesters in Hong Kong - leading to condemnation from China.

    The bill was passed by 407 to 1 in the House of Representatives on Tuesday night.

    The purpose of the bill is "to address gross violations of universally recognised human rights, including the mass internment of over 1,000,000 Uighurs".

    The bill is expected to ramp up tensions as China and the US continue to be locked in an ongoing trade war.

    Rights groups say that tens of thousands of Muslims are detained in high-security prison camps across Xinjiang.

    But the Chinese government has consistently claimed the camps in the far western Xinjiang region offer voluntary education and training.

    China had earlier this week suspended visits by US Navy ships and aircrafts to Hong Kong after the US passed the Human Rights and Democracy Act into law.

    China's foreign ministry said it "urged the US... [to] stop interfering in our internal affairs".
    Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50653864.


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