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    Quote Originally Posted by noonebetterthanPappu View Post
    Isn't it strange when there are protests in Pakistan against blasphemy contest in far away Netherlands but no outrage about daily struggle of close to million Muslims in nearby China....pretty unbelievable.
    Each are bad. No need to denigrate any effort.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Each are bad. No need to denigrate any effort.
    But where is the outrage over suffering of peoples ? Religiously speaking blasphemy contest also big issue but from peoples point of view no one got physically affected there but in China people are suffering physically but hardly any comment from Pakistani politicians or religious leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Each are bad. No need to denigrate any effort.
    I agree, but the threat to human life in the case of the Netherlands blasphemy case is less, so they’re not the same thing.

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    Muslim Governments Silent as China Cracks Down on Uighurs

    Almost three weeks after a United Nations official cited “credible reports” that the country was holding as many as 1 million Turkic-speaking Uighurs in “re-education” camps, governments in Muslim-majority countries have issued no notable statements on the issue. The silence became more pronounced this week after a bipartisan group of U.S. lawmakers urged sanctions against senior Chinese officials.

    “We are hopeful that the State Department will seek addition opportunities to condemn these abuses while also undertaking robust diplomatic engagement with like-minded governments to further elevate this human rights crisis in international forums and multilateral institutions,” lawmakers led by Senator Marco Rubio of Florida and Representative Chris Smith of New Jersey wrote Wednesday in a letter to Secretary of State Michael Pompeo and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. They joined European Union officials who have previously expressed concern about the camps in Xinjiang.

    By contrast, the leaders of Indonesia, Malaysia and Pakistan haven’t released public statements on the clampdown. Neither has Saudi Arabia. Even Turkey, which has in the past offered favorable policies to Turkic-speaking groups and hosts a small Uighur population of its own, remained silent as Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan grappled with an economic crisis.

    Trade Ties

    The split underscores how China’s position as a key trading partner and aid provider to many Muslim-majority nations -- as well as its longstanding policy to avoid commenting on the internal affairs of other countries -- is now paying off.

    The silence on Uighurs contrasts with outrage last year when some 700,000 Rohingya Muslims fled clearance operations by the Myanmar military, which the UN has since likened to genocide. One big difference between the two cases: Myanmar’s economy is 180 times smaller than that of China, which is the top trading partner of 20 of the 57 member states of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation.

    China accounts for about a 10th of Saudi Arabia’s oil exports and roughly a third of Iran’s, according to ship-tracking data compiled by Bloomberg. It is Malaysia’s top source of foreign investment. And it has ensured the flow of more than $60 billion in loans for China-Pakistan Economic Corridor infrastructure projects.

    Muslim nations “don’t want to damage their relations with China, and consider China a potential ally against the West and the U.S., and therefore they are trying to stay silent,” said Omer Kanat, chairman of the executive committee at the World Uyghur Congress, an overseas Uighur advocacy group.

    Dangerous Spillover

    To be sure, maintaining trade ties isn’t the only motivator. Some governments are loathe to draw global attention to their own shabby human rights records. Beijing has largely refrained from involving itself in conflicts in the Muslim world.

    Those nations “don’t particularly respect human rights themselves, so it’s hard to imagine that they would jump at an opportunity to criticize China,” said David Brophy, Senior Lecturer in Modern Chinese History at the University of Sydney.

    Still, it could prove increasingly difficult to maintain their silence, as China’s policies in Xinjiang spill across its borders.

    More - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...own-on-uighurs

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    I won't defend China here, they are just as bad as India, Israel and USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IAJ View Post
    Tales? Have you recited Surah Kahf?
    I thought the following were mentioned in Sahih Hadith rather than Quran?

    - Jesus (PBUH)
    - Mahdi
    - Dajjal
    - Gog and Magog

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    Omir, who was detained in Karamay, north Xinjiang, described being shackled to a chair, deprived of sleep, and beaten by police in his camp.

    He told the BBC:

    "They have a chair called the 'tiger.' My ankles were shackled, my hands locked to the chair. I couldn't move. They wouldn't let me sleep. They also hung me up for hours, and they beat me.

    "They had thick wooden and rubber batons, whips made from twisted wire, needles to pierce the skin, pliers for pulling out your nails.

    "All these tools were displayed on the table in front of me, ready for use at any time. You could hear other people screaming as well."
    Omir added that he was later moved to another internment camp, where he was forced to share a small room with 45 other people. They took turns sleeping because there was so little space, he told the BBC.

    He said he ended up in a camp after police accused him of aiding Islamic extremists - an allegation he has denied.

    China justifies its surveillance and crackdown in Xinjiang as preventing terrorism, and has repeatedly accused militant Uighurs of starting terrorist attacks across the country since at least the mid-1990s.

    Omir's account squares with previous reporting on the camps, such as that by Simon Denyer of The Washington Post published this May. Kayrat Samarkand, another Uighur who had been imprisoned in a re-education camp, also described being strapped in the "tiger chair" and being waterboarded if he disobeyed orders.

    The torture in China's camps appears to go beyond the physical. Azat, who had visited someone detained in a camp, described seeing detainees literally forced to sing propaganda songs to get food, and watching people he used to know look like the "lost their memory."

    Azat, whose face and voice were obscured for his protection, told the BBC: "It was dinner time. There were at least 1,200 people holding empty plastic bowls in their hands. They had to sing pro-Chinese songs to get food."

    https://www.businessinsider.in/What-...w/65633915.cms
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    It's hardly something unique to Pakistanis and/or Muslims so it's unfair to specifically target them for this but people only care about oppression if it suits their internal bias and their agenda. If this was America/Israel/India/Burma etc treating innocent Muslims like this there would be an uproar among certain quarters and rightly so. It's the same as the Saudi/UAE airstrikes in Yemen. And yet these people still have the gall to pretend that they really care about human rights.

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    China Uighurs: Xinjiang legalises 'reeducation' camps

    China's western Xinjiang region has written "vocational training centres" for Muslim Uighurs into law amid growing international concern over large-scale disappearances there.

    Xinjiang says the centres will tackle extremism through "thought transformation".

    Rights groups say detainees are made to swear loyalty to President Xi Jinping and criticise or renounce their faith.

    In August, China denied allegations that it had locked up a million people.

    But officials attending a UN human rights meeting admitted that Uighurs "deceived by religious extremism" were undergoing re-education and resettlement.

    China's Muslim 'crackdown' explained
    Xinjiang has seen cycles of violence and crackdowns for years. China accuses Islamist militants and separatists of orchestrating the trouble.

    What does the Chinese legislation say?
    Xinjiang's new legislation is the first detailed indication of what China is doing in the region.

    It says examples of behaviour that could lead to detention include expanding the concept of halal - which means permissible in Islam - to areas of life outside diet, refusing to watch state TV and listen to state radio and preventing children from receiving state education.


    Media captionJohn Sudworth reports from Xinjiang, where all filming and reporting by foreign media is tightly controlled
    China says its network of detention centres will also teach Mandarin Chinese, legal concepts and provide vocational training.

    Rights groups have criticised the move. Sophie Richardson from Human Rights Watch said the "words on paper outlining grotesque, vast human rights abuses don't deserve the term 'law'".

    New law bans promoting of religion
    Michael Bristow, BBC News

    By giving these camps a legal footing, China appears to have confirmed what many have been saying for months: that it is running a string of re-education camps for Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang in the name of combating extremism.

    In newly published regulations detailing the camps, China has given them a vague-sounding name. It calls them "vocational skills and educational training centres".

    But it is clear their purpose is not just about giving people the ability to get a better job.

    The regulations say they are for people "influenced by extremism". The point is to correct bad behaviour, and ensure those inside them undergo psychological counselling and ideological education.

    The camps are part of a broader attack on Islamic extremism in Xinjiang.

    The new rules mean it's illegal to spread religious fanaticism by, for example, having "abnormal beards or unusual names".

    And extremism is defined so broadly that it even seems to be applicable to parents who complain if their children want to marry someone of a different faith or ethnic group.

    Is China cracking down on Islam?
    China is also launching a wider campaign against Islamic practices across Xinjiang. It wants to stop the use of halal products that are not food.

    One newspaper said the use of the term halal to describe items such as toothpaste blurred the line between religious and secular life and made people prey to religious extremism.

    China bans beards and veils in Xinjiang
    Profile: What is Xinjiang like?
    On Monday Communist Party leaders in the regional capital Urumqi led cadres in swearing an oath to fight the "pan-halal trend", AFP reported.

    New regulations also make it clear that Muslim women are banned from wearing veils.

    Communist party members and bureaucrats have been told to speak Mandarin Chinese in public and not local languages.

    What are the camps like?
    Former prisoners of the camps have told the BBC of physical as well as psychological torture there. Entire families had disappeared, they said.

    In July, a former teacher at one of the camps who fled to Kazakhstan told a court there that "in China they call it a political camp but really it was a prison in the mountains".

    The New York Times quoted former detainees as saying that they were forced to sing songs such as "Without the Communist Party, There Would Be No New China" and those who could not remember the words were not given breakfast.

    "In the end, all the officials had one key point. The greatness of the Chinese Communist Party, the backwardness of Uighur culture and the advanced nature of Chinese culture," former detainee Abdusalam Muhemet told the newspaper.

    The World Uyghur Congress said in a report that detainees were held indefinitely without charge, and forced to shout Communist Party slogans.

    It said they were poorly fed, and reports of torture were widespread.

    Most inmates have never been charged with a crime, it is claimed, and do not receive legal representation.

    However China's state-run English-language Global Times newspaper maintains the tough security measures in the region have prevented it from turning into "China's Syria" or "China's Libya".

    Who are the Uighurs?
    The Uighurs are ethnically Turkic Muslims mostly based in Xinjiang. They make up about 45% of the population there.

    They see themselves as culturally and ethnically close to Central Asian nations, and their language is similar to Turkish.

    In recent decades, large numbers of Han Chinese (China's ethnic majority) have migrated to Xinjiang, and the Uighurs feel their culture and livelihoods are under threat.

    Xinjiang is officially designated as an autonomous region within China, like Tibet to its south.
    Awaiting the deafening silence from the usual defenders of Muslim Ummah on this forum because its their brother China!

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    The state legalising forced re-education is borderline Nazism. Scary times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    The state legalising forced re-education is borderline Nazism. Scary times.
    The 'Prevent' scheme in the UK, forcing kids including 4 year olds is arguably worse but nobody bats an eyelid?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderwoman View Post
    Awaiting the deafening silence from the usual defenders of Muslim Ummah on this forum because its their brother China!
    Our very own King Khan's posts on this thread highlights the strength of the UMMAH.... Just read some of the silly things he has said on this thread justifying China, this one takes the kingdom:China doesnt allow septatists to flourish. Oh no shi* sherlock neither does India against the Muslim seperatists was hinted by another Indian poster lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    The state legalising forced re-education is borderline Nazism. Scary times.
    It is disgusting to be honest, but what is more scary is that the only ones who will likely fight against it will be the ISIS types who would head over there to support the separatist Muslim movement. No other body will do much, or perhaps is even in a position to do much. China pretty much has a free hand to do what they want over there, I just hope they don't end up using systematic rape and target assassinations of individuals like they do in Kashmir India.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    The 'Prevent' scheme in the UK, forcing kids including 4 year olds is arguably worse but nobody bats an eyelid?
    Is the Prevent strategy worse than these 21st century concentration camps? Prevent is a deeply imperfect scheme but at least it is intended to combat terrorism, whereas the Chinese government is more broadly concerned by anybody not “thinking” in line with what the Chinese state deems to be normal behaviour. Also the methods used by the British and the Chinese are probably quite different.

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    The comparison with Prevent is clutching at straws, Prevent is misinformation and propaganda at worst, no one is forced to eat pork or drink alcohol and God knows what else. At least everyone is allowed to make their own minds up, if you don't like the message you can always choose to ignore it.


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    If it was America or Israel doing this, we would have 20 pages of uproar on this topic.

    But it’s china so everything is good..

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Is the Prevent strategy worse than these 21st century concentration camps? Prevent is a deeply imperfect scheme but at least it is intended to combat terrorism, whereas the Chinese government is more broadly concerned by anybody not “thinking” in line with what the Chinese state deems to be normal behaviour. Also the methods used by the British and the Chinese are probably quite different.
    You mentioned reeducation which I was referring to. Of course 4 year olds are not in camps but the principle of forcing people to think in a certain way and that too when it comes to small children is no better. If you look deep into prevent its a sickening strategy of indoctrination of children in a nation which claims to be free.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    The comparison with Prevent is clutching at straws, Prevent is misinformation and propaganda at worst, no one is forced to eat pork or drink alcohol and God knows what else. At least everyone is allowed to make their own minds up, if you don't like the message you can always choose to ignore it.
    4 year olds can make up their own mind? lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    You mentioned reeducation which I was referring to. Of course 4 year olds are not in camps but the principle of forcing people to think in a certain way and that too when it comes to small children is no better. If you look deep into prevent its a sickening strategy of indoctrination of children in a nation which claims to be free.
    Ok fair enough. What’s your opinion then on these Chinese camps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Ok fair enough. What’s your opinion then on these Chinese camps?
    There is little information regarding the conditions inside and what is taught. Most of the information comes from people who were 'detained', painting a unpleasant picture. I cant recall anyone mentioning any physical abuse but most were upset with drumming of Chinese nationalism, including singing songs before they were given their meals. There are satellite photos which show these camps but Ive not seen evidence to suggest a million people are being held, more like thousands.

    The Chinese say these are necessary to combat the violent separatist movement before it goes out of hand. They also claim the conditions inside are good and nobody is abused. It would be good for them to show the inside of the camps but they are a secretive people and many feel China is going back to the harder version of communism. I dont believe anybody should be detained unless they are guilty of a crime and im not even sure if such moves will make things better or worse for China. In terms of the reeducation, they feel the people being held are given training to find jobs and other educational skills with communist national rhetoric thrown in. I hope the people inside are not being hurt and should be released quickly. The most important thing to remember is China doesn't have a Muslim problem, there are thousands of mosques in China and arguably of all the religions in China, Islam is flourishing the most. It's a separatist issue.


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