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    Can someone make a gif out of that "Us Race ka Sikandar main noon" move by Salman Khan in the trailer around the 2 min mark....I want to make it my new Avatar on PP, Twitter, Facebook, Google plus etc.

    This movie will cross 300 crore per one poster.......what else matters? All this talk to crap movies and dumbing down of culture in the end amounts to nothing but a bunch of sore losers like me trying to salvage some pride out of making fun of such blockbusters....Salman Khan wins, the director and producer of this movie wins, Bollywood wins.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by aliasad1998 View Post
    This trailer of Race 3. I dont mind mindless action but this just looks so badly made with no effort put into it.
    I do mind "mindless action". The Marvel/Disney movies may look technically sophisticated, but they have made an entire generation stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by za1ntc View Post
    watch 'ertugrul' on netflix, it will change your opinion on the early ottomans, those who fought to ensure islam would not die out to the byzantines and the mongols. There is no doubt that the latter period of the ottomans was bad and how they banned the printing press was a big error. Oh and its probably one of the best tv shows out there right now, forget about GOT, forget about the walking dead, suits, the 100 or anything else, Resurrection Ertugrul is the best tv show you will watch.
    Ah yes Ertugul, the Turks have done a great job there. Early Ottoman history and the story of how they built an empire that lasted twice as long as the Brits may not be popular but Ertugul is changing that. Way better than the 'Porno with a story' that is GOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    And what is that concept? Could you please say what concept that is , Race 1 and 2 didn't seem copied , someone can enlighten me if it was.

    Also remember Point break and Donnie Brassco had come much before fast and furious.
    You are missing the point, the concept can be anything, it's the originality and quality of delivery that makes it universally acclaimed. I don't know anything about the Bollywood film we are discussing from the OP, but the trailer itself looks like an awful wannabe film with bits grabbed from several American blockbusters.


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    Lol at someone criticising salman and appreciating Rajnikanth. They both are as bad as it can get in terms of acting or action or choice of scripts for their movies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    I do mind "mindless action". The Marvel/Disney movies may look technically sophisticated, but they have made an entire generation stupid.
    No they haven't. Some of them have been very ordinary, but a lot of them have gone on to get very decent reviews because special effects and action alone isn't enough for western audiences which are far more sophisticated than the bumpkins who watch Bollywood films.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh View Post
    Lol at someone criticising salman and appreciating Rajnikanth. They both are as bad as it can get in terms of acting or action or choice of scripts for their movies.
    Very True After 1995. But Rajnikanth unlike Salman, is a phenominal Actor with an exellent body of work from the 70's to Mid 90's. It is from the Mid 90's...he has become a caricature of his own stardom. While its fair to Compare Rajni and Salman now....but there is really no comparison between their respective acting talents and body of work. Today, Rajni might be what he is...but when he eventually retires...people from south India will remember him not for last decade or so...but for the earlier work he did with Balachander...and movies of his in the 80's. Salman on the other hand really does not have even one movie that really stands the test of time.

    See this Scene from the 70's Where Rajni and Kamal argue about women...Rajni is a misogynistic person in the movie...





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    M@drasis at it again.
    Rajnikanth is on par with Sallu on mediocrity. At least Bhai has got the looks going on for him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TM Riddle View Post
    M@drasis at it again.
    Rajnikanth is on par with Sallu on mediocrity. At least Bhai has got the looks going on for him.
    Lol. Today, yes !

    over all career. No.. !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    No they haven't. Some of them have been very ordinary, but a lot of them have gone on to get very decent reviews because special effects and action alone isn't enough for western audiences which are far more sophisticated than the bumpkins who watch Bollywood films.
    Granted that some Western action films have garnered good reviews, but we obviously disagree on the intelligence of reviews. Remember, reviewers make a living writing reviews. They cannot trash the entire industry as stupid, which it really is. It is the same old "formula films" about "moral dilemmas" with a happy resolution in the end. And a lot of stereotypes, explosions, computer generated visuals, soft porn and xenophobia thrown in to attract the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Granted that some Western action films have garnered good reviews, but we obviously disagree on the intelligence of reviews. Remember, reviewers make a living writing reviews. They cannot trash the entire industry as stupid, which it really is. It is the same old "formula films" about "moral dilemmas" with a happy resolution in the end. And a lot of stereotypes, explosions, computer generated visuals, soft porn and xenophobia thrown in to attract the masses.
    That would all sound fine if it was being said by an American talking about quality of Hollywood films as a form of introspection. Coming from an Indian who is making excuses for Bollycrap it just sounds defensive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    That would all sound fine if it was being said by an American talking about quality of Hollywood films as a form of introspection. Coming from an Indian who is making excuses for Bollycrap it just sounds defensive.
    Born in India, having lived in the US for a very long time, I would like to think myself as a "citizen of the world". I am not defending Bollywood, just saying that it is no worse than Hollywood. They both make mindless formula films.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Born in India, having lived in the US for a very long time, I would like to think myself as a "citizen of the world". I am not defending Bollywood, just saying that it is no worse than Hollywood. They both make mindless formula films.
    Please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    Please
    After the Weinstein saga and related scandals, at the very least we can agree that the morals of those who run Hollywood are far worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Born in India, having lived in the US for a very long time, I would like to think myself as a "citizen of the world". I am not defending Bollywood, just saying that it is no worse than Hollywood. They both make mindless formula films.
    It's like comparing a no 1 test side to a 7th rank bottom dwelling minnow.
    Bollywood stands no chance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    After the Weinstein saga and related scandals, at the very least we can agree that the morals of those who run Hollywood are far worse.
    You should say that when Bollywood has its MeToo moment.
    Last edited by DeadBall; 17th May 2018 at 17:09.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    Please
    Just because one has higher budgets and its idea of masala potboiler is comic book characters and CGI and all the fake moral dilemma's and other industry's potboilers is a fun Song and dance movies....one is not better the other. At the core of it...Both are appeasing to the mass audience and both of them require hard work to do so.

    And When was the last time a movie like Dangal which dealt with relevant issue of women empowerment, a personal struggle story of a women wrestler in interior India....become the highest collected movie in Hollywood? Or something like Secret Superstar which is btw...the highest collected Indian movie world wide which dealt with mom and the daughters struggle for life and career while dealing with abusive husband? When did that ever happen in Hollywood...when movies which dealt with Subjects like this become 1st and 2nd ...even top 10 in Hollywood?

    Couple of Years back, a movie like Kapoor and sons which dealt with Family Drama including a struggling Gay son coming out (was dealt with it so much dignity) became on of the biggest movies of the year ..even at box office....When did that Happen in Hollywood? or Movie like Kahaani or English Vinglish which dealt with a 50 yrs old and women and her stuggle with english collected 100 crores in India alone.

    Or Going a bit more further a movie like Barfi...which was a love story between a deaf person and autistic girl which a homage of chaplin and others thrown in....became top collected movies that year .

    It is easier to go with the flow and go gaga over Hollywood......But if you really choose your movies right confining to your taste...Indian cinema including the South Industries...offer the most varied content every week like in no country offers.

    People pick and choose the cream of Hollywood...one movie out of 100 hundreds that come out...and go gaga over it....but pick any random movie from bollywood to stereotype the industry !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    After the Weinstein saga and related scandals, at the very least we can agree that the morals of those who run Hollywood are far worse.
    The problem is an Indie cinema which dealt with great content is watched and people attribute it to Hollywood....when it was never produced by the studios but by great independent film makers.

    But nobody is going to watch similar indie films like Margharita with a straw (dealing with teenager with cerebral palsy and her sexuality)...or Dead Dad( where Dad comes out as son as Gay in a road trip movie) or something like Gurgaon Recently....or Lipstick Under by Burkah or Parched...and attribute to Bollywood or the Indian film industry

    The Point is people ...few of them here and world wide....are no fans of cinema or niche cinema...but the intellectual ego burst that they get appreciating niche content from Hollywood...they would not get that ego satisfaction from doing that in Indian cinema.

    People go Gaga over Neo -noir movies from Hollywood...by watching one of them like LA. Confedential.....but truth be told...AranyaKandam(Tamil movie )...a neo noir film is a hundred times slick, complex and better !

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    You should say that when Bollywood has its MeToo moment.
    It is not the function of the Industry really, but the society as a whole. For a relatively progressive country like America...and even more liberal setting like Hollywood...it took decades for Women to come out and speak against Cosby or wienstien or spacey or Whatever. After Decades and Decades of pedophile allegatations.....it was this year Academy removed Roman polanski This year. While somebody like Woody Allen is still in there. The relative stigma towards women coming out with something like Rape which happened to them is far far lesser in America......yet it took them decades...

    We as a country, although better than before are no where close to America. Women who want to come out will have to think about the consequences in the society, their career and all the nonsense that comes with it. it is not too easy on them, India is far away from its own MeeToo Movement I am afraid....We ight have some women come out here and there but as a collective group...dont think it is happening anytime soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    After the Weinstein saga and related scandals, at the very least we can agree that the morals of those who run Hollywood are far worse.
    They have accepted their shortcomings, Indians never will. Even morally we are beneath them. Now please don't be naive in thinking that India has no casting couch or sexual abuse problem, such things are prevalent everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IgnitedMind View Post
    Just because one has higher budgets and its idea of masala potboiler is comic book characters and CGI and all the fake moral dilemma's and other industry's potboilers is a fun Song and dance movies....one is not better the other. At the core of it...Both are appeasing to the mass audience and both of them require hard work to do so.
    Quote Originally Posted by IgnitedMind View Post
    The problem is an Indie cinema which dealt with great content is watched and people attribute it to Hollywood....when it was never produced by the studios but by great independent film makers.

    But nobody is going to watch similar indie films like Margharita with a straw (dealing with teenager with cerebral palsy and her sexuality)...or Dead Dad( where Dad comes out as son as Gay in a road trip movie) or something like Gurgaon Recently....or Lipstick Under by Burkah or Parched...and attribute to Bollywood or the Indian film industry
    I agree. I think a lot of sniggering at Bollywood is rooted in a prejudice that the West is better.

    Yes, it does take hard work to produce blockbusters, I just think they are mostly formulaic and not intelligent. Recent intelligent ones would be Blade Runner 2049, Mars etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    They have accepted their shortcomings,
    You seem to believe the spin, your choice.

    Indians never will. Even morally we are beneath them. Now please don't be naive in thinking that India has no casting couch or sexual abuse problem, such things are prevalent everywhere.
    It is a matter of extent. Unless I see actual data which says otherwise I will keep believing it is less of a problem in India.

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    This is what I woke up to today..Bollywood movie on India's journey in becoming a nuclear power

    Ive allways wondered how did India pull this off without US being the global watchdog, unable to catch India in this act and stopping it. I hope the film does it justice. It looks very interesting. But from a historical perspective was China really supplying Pakistan with nuclear bombs which is what the movie trailer portrays as the reasoning behind India wanting to become a nuclear power ? I was very young when it happened and I remember how US made it a very big deal and said it would carry out all sorts of sanctions against it, which from I kept reading that India planned for that response ahead of time Also interested to read or oneday see Pakistans version on how they became a nuclear power.



    Second point I wanted to make is for every movie like Race Bollywood does make movies like Chak de India, Swadesh, Badlapur, Highway, Kahaani, Shor in the city, Gangs of Wasseypur which has interesting content, or movies that generally does not appeal to mass audiences, does not make a whole lot of money and falls under the radar and isnt even advertised heavily. And inorder for script writers and directors to convince producers to make those low budget, artsy kind of movies, takes some luck and obviously money. The endgame is always about the bottom line and how much profit comes back to the movie theater owners or producers creating/showing a movie.

    But for folks thinking that every movie is like Race is pure ignorance. India has like 1000s of movies coming out a year and this is not from Bollywood alone. You can only create content if you have audiences flocking into the theater by creating movies like Race or an avengers type movie. That in itself is a huge undertaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    I agree. I think a lot of sniggering at Bollywood is rooted in a prejudice that the West is better.

    Yes, it does take hard work to produce blockbusters, I just think they are mostly formulaic and not intelligent. Recent intelligent ones would be Blade Runner 2049, Mars etc.
    I think it has to do with self branding. By dissing bollywood, and worshipping hollywood you can position yourself as having superior taste and levels above the other desis. A lot of desis who diss desi stuff do that to elevate themselves in the eyes of their peers and masters, that despite being a desi they have as good tastes as the gold standard white man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TM Riddle View Post
    It's like comparing a no 1 test side to a 7th rank bottom dwelling minnow.
    Bollywood stands no chance.
    How would it stand a chance when Rajputs take to burning cities over trivial films.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saadibaba View Post
    Can someone make a gif out of that "Us Race ka Sikandar main noon" move by Salman Khan in the trailer around the 2 min mark....I want to make it my new Avatar on PP, Twitter, Facebook, Google plus etc.

    This movie will cross 300 crore per one poster.......what else matters? All this talk to crap movies and dumbing down of culture in the end amounts to nothing but a bunch of sore losers like me trying to salvage some pride out of making fun of such blockbusters....Salman Khan wins, the director and producer of this movie wins, Bollywood wins.....

    ..

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    So many likes and shares for actresses pics, but how many likes for this patriotic movie??

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    How would it stand a chance when Rajputs take to burning cities over trivial films.
    Lol. I remember our friend here TM riddle arguing for the "sainiks" !!

    However, I saw the movie...there was nothing. Infact it was bad film...with great art work and cinematography. I needed 3 to 4 sittings to finish it....its on prime amazon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IgnitedMind View Post
    Lol. I remember our friend here TM riddle arguing for the "sainiks" !!

    However, I saw the movie...there was nothing. Infact it was bad film...with great art work and cinematography. I needed 3 to 4 sittings to finish it....its on prime amazon.
    I skipped to see the scenes of Malik Kafur, the only saving grace of the movie and far more interesting than "my choice" padukone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    I skipped to see the scenes of Malik Kafur, the only saving grace of the movie and far more interesting than "my choice" padukone.
    Jim sarbh is a good actor. was great in Neerja as the terrorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hafeezrocks View Post
    Aren't you a Rajnikanth fan and considered him Charismatic? Pmsl
    Nope not a Rajnikanth fan. But having watched tons of his movies, I will still say he had supreme charisma in his heydeys. You have to watch his movies in Tamil to really understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    This is the hollowness of the intellectual wannabes.
    Awwwwww.....

    This is the world of simpletons like you who just don't have the intellectual ability to understand nuances in opinion.


    I am not one of you. I never was. I am not one of them either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Nope not a Rajnikanth fan. But having watched tons of his movies, I will still say he had supreme charisma in his heydeys. You have to watch his movies in Tamil to really understand.



    Awwwwww.....

    This is the world of simpletons like you who just don't have the intellectual ability to understand nuances in opinion.
    I know bro. Nuances and context which you know, and simpletons like me don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    I know bro. Nuances and context which you know, and simpletons like me don't.
    Yes bro.

    That's exactly what I am saying bro.

    When it comes to directing outrage at any and everything, you are the King bro.

    In that game, I am a simpleton bro.

    So we all have our pros and cons bro.

    So don't feel bad bro.

    Ok bro?

    Now go to sleep bro.

    It's already late in the night bro.

    Good night bro.

    Atleast have a peaceful dream bro.

    Cos you need it bro.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Yes bro.

    That's exactly what I am saying bro.

    When it comes to directing outrage at any and everything, you are the King bro.
    Bro, don't let anything build up and release it when you can. Otherwise you end up reacting like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    Bro, don't let anything build up and release it when you can. Otherwise you end up reacting like this.
    Haha, its a good advice bro.

    I can see you effectively using PP to solve your various issues bro.

    But no thanks, I am very happy with my life bro.


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    I think one must not make fun of Rajnikant. There is a reason many in Tamil land see him as God, and even the most sane ones get triggered by any innocuous remark questioning his legacy. Even our latest great addition @Swashbuckler who doesn't like mediocrity rates Rajni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    I think one must not make fun of Rajnikant. There is a reason many in Tamil land see him as God, and even the most sane ones get triggered by any innocuous remark questioning his legacy. Even our latest great addition @Swashbuckler who doesn't like mediocrity rates Rajni.
    Thats because he was genuinely a very good actor in his hey days...also add to his personal charishma and public persona.

    Lot of people actually hate the caricaturish image he has outside south india....and also what his movies have turned into into the last decade and half.

    Its hard to not respect Rajni if you are south India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    I think one must not make fun of Rajnikant. There is a reason many in Tamil land see him as God, and even the most sane ones get triggered by any innocuous remark questioning his legacy. Even our latest great addition @Swashbuckler who doesn't like mediocrity rates Rajni.
    For the umpteenth time I don't rate Rajni highly. Just because I give Salman 3 out of 10 and Rajini 4 out of 10 doesn't make me a Rajini fan. Both are mediocre in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    I think it has to do with self branding. By dissing bollywood, and worshipping hollywood you can position yourself as having superior taste and levels above the other desis. A lot of desis who diss desi stuff do that to elevate themselves in the eyes of their peers and masters, that despite being a desi they have as good tastes as the gold standard white man.
    Yes, I have seen the same kind of behavior.

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    Let's be honest, you wake up in the morning to go to the movies, are you taking the family out to watch Gangs of Wasseypur?



    There will always be room for movies like this and that's okay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    Let's be honest, you wake up in the morning to go to the movies, are you taking the family out to watch Gangs of Wasseypur?



    There will always be room for movies like this and that's okay.
    I don't know bro. Gangs of Wasseypur seems like some sort of gold standard Bollywood movie which we all need to watch and Inshallah it will break the chains of slave worship of Hollywood. For my impatient pal Varun, I insist I will get round to watching it and putting up that review I promised.


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    Quote Originally Posted by za1ntc View Post
    watch 'ertugrul' on netflix, it will change your opinion on the early ottomans, those who fought to ensure islam would not die out to the byzantines and the mongols. There is no doubt that the latter period of the ottomans was bad and how they banned the printing press was a big error. Oh and its probably one of the best tv shows out there right now, forget about GOT, forget about the walking dead, suits, the 100 or anything else, Resurrection Ertugrul is the best tv show you will watch.
    I tried watching it but gave up after six episodes. All it had was full of ''praise the God'' every five minutes. Maybe I gave up too early but it got too tedious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pakpak View Post
    I tried watching it but gave up after six episodes. All it had was full of ''praise the God'' every five minutes. Maybe I gave up too early but it got too tedious.
    you gave up too early, trust me, give it a chance, one of the best tv shows around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by za1ntc View Post
    you gave up too early, trust me, give it a chance, one of the best tv shows around.
    Will restart it then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post

    ..
    Wow, thanks!

    Now I have to oblige and change my Avatars to this


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    Quote Originally Posted by saadibaba View Post
    Wow, thanks!

    Now I have to oblige and change my Avatars to this
    You don't have to because you can't have animated avatars here. You are saved.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aliasad1998 View Post
    This trailer of Race 3. I dont mind mindless action but this just looks so badly made with no effort put into it. Watch the trailer and I gurantee if you have some sensibility, you will cringe very hard. How can people actually watch these vomit inducing movies let alone pay and go to theatres.

    I honestly feel bad for talented filmmakers in Bollywood. This film will make millions in India and Pakistan all because the audiences are always willing to pay money for this type of filth. People say dont watch the movie if you dont like it but they dont get that garbage like this making so much money affects the people who actually want to make or watch quality films. I dont think Indian or Pakistani audiences will ever learn or perhaps they just dont want to learn.

    People who are actually going to watch this on Eid are just sad.

    our business is our business none of your business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IgnitedMind View Post
    Very True After 1995. But Rajnikanth unlike Salman, is a phenominal Actor with an exellent body of work from the 70's to Mid 90's. It is from the Mid 90's...he has become a caricature of his own stardom. While its fair to Compare Rajni and Salman now....but there is really no comparison between their respective acting talents and body of work. Today, Rajni might be what he is...but when he eventually retires...people from south India will remember him not for last decade or so...but for the earlier work he did with Balachander...and movies of his in the 80's. Salman on the other hand really does not have even one movie that really stands the test of time.

    See this Scene from the 70's Where Rajni and Kamal argue about women...Rajni is a misogynistic person in the movie...





    Dalapathi

    According to me dalpathi is arguably the best work of Rajni acting wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    You don't have to because you can't have animated avatars here. You are saved.
    Saved for sure...phew!

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    Quote Originally Posted by saadibaba View Post
    Saved for sure...phew!
    This avatar suits you, ever since you became an art aficionado. The Bade Ghulam Ali Khan avatar was also good, when you were salt of the earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    This avatar suits you, ever since you became an art aficionado. The Bade Ghulam Ali Khan avatar was also good, when you were salt of the earth.
    Thanks. Yes I loved the Bade Ghulam Ali Khan one too but then some learned posters thought I must be big time into Indian classical music which is not the case so I got rid go it...how about the horn and hoof flag one I copied from Animal Farm wiki website...based on the hammer and sickle Communist symbol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal...alism_flag.svg


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    Animal farm one was much better.
    Suited your personality.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swashbuckler View Post
    We have had some high quality Indian movies post 1947, in fact the ratio of good to bad was quite decent even till the 70s. Then something happened, the number of bad movies just multiplied dozen fold and kept getting worse and worse every passing year. Even today there are a few young film makers making excellent movies but all of that is overshadowed by the nonsense generated by the bigger production houses. How can a young director continue to push the creative boundaries when his/her product isn't finding the market? No wonder the creative juices are drying up among the younger breed and they are forced to be mediocre and thus more in tune with the easily content, mediocre masses. I won't blame education or IQ for this downfall because you had Satyajit Ray, Bimal Roy and Guru Dutt churning out masterpieces in an era when our education/literacy levels were much worse than today. Even till recent times the local Bengali and Malayalam industries had creative, thought provoking movies but alas even the final frontiers have been breached by the dark forces. Now there is a spark in Tamil Nadu where experimental film makers are making good, low budget movies and also have some takers.....let us see how long this movement lasts but I have a pessimistic outlook.

    I think more than anything our people have no taste, this applies even to the rich. May be in the initial years after Independence there was some carryover effect of the British Raj. Unlike many South Asians I think the British rule had some positive effect on India. They taught us manners, they brought modern technology to our landmass, they brought education/medicine to the ignorant Indians, they brought in the concept of sports, they brought an end to social evils prevalent in our society, they taught us to have a rational outlook. Not just that they helped us realize our own past, without British archeologists we would never have known about the Harappan civilization or most things about our ancient past. Doesn't matter whether we were a mighty force once upon a time or not, when the Europeans came we were at our nadir and needed them to get us out of the hole and usher our civilization to modernity. Even in arts, culture, literature the Brits revived what we had lost over the centuries. They also happened to teach us cinema and exposed us to all the tools of cinema making. I believe our initial success in film making was courtesy the experience under the British. When that generation died out we started returning to our basic instincts which had been tempered for so long under the boots of the white sahibs. Think about who our greatest minds have been in the last 100 years? Ramanujam, CV Raman, Abdus Salam, Subramanyam Chandrasekhar, Har Gobind Khorana, Iqbal, Mr Jinnah, Nehru, Ambedkar, Tagore, Satyajit Ray, Amartya Sen, Mahbub Ul Huq......all are from a time when they spent their formative years under British institutions. This after effect lasted for about 20 years post independence, after that it was back to our native roots. It is no coincidence that we have stopped producing great minds on our shores because we are incapable of innovation, we can't stimulate creativity here, we don't challenge our excellence here. Most (if not all) of the Indians and Pakistanis who have achieved something on the creative front have been from Western institutions. Same set of people with similar DNA, culture and roots are mechanized robots in one place and they shape the future of the world in another place (winning Nobel Prize, Abel Prize, Fields Medal etc on the way), go figure. Since I am a chess fan I can share an anecdote by 5 time World Champion Viswanathan Anand. He had once come to my college for a talk and in his interaction with students said he improved his game outside India. As a youngster he lived for a while in Philippines and made a great leap in his playing strength. Later in the 90s when he was at his peak and had to fight with great rivals like Karpov, Kasparov, Kramnik etc he made a conscious decision to shift base to Spain leaving his old parents alone in Chennai. The only reason he did this was because he felt playing in India in local tournaments, interacting with other Indian GMs etc was stifling his creativity and making him complacent. He needed to shift his base at the age of 26 to Europe because the environment there was better suited to unleash his creative potential, now if that isn't a damning indictment on India, don't know what is. Only after he accomplished what he always dreamt of, winning multiple titles did he return back to Chennai and when he returned he was a 42 year old homesick man with nothing left to prove to anyone. His playing strength suffered a great dip post 2012 but aside from advancing age his shift to India too is a valid reason for his decline.

    With passing time the British institutions (that serve us till date) are slowly dying and we have proved to be incapable of coming up with better alternatives. The one thing that we had so long was the time tested robust British era system passed on to us post 1947 and we are destroying it. Once that link collapses I see darker days ahead.
    This is an utterly self deprecating car crash of a post. there are always these 'angrez chale gaye aulad chhodke types' around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollingstoned View Post
    This is an utterly self deprecating car crash of a post. there are always these 'angrez chale gaye aulad chhodke types' around.
    Stating that my tastes and standards are higher than most of my native countrymen is not self deprecating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    Stating that my tastes and standards are higher than most of my native countrymen is not self deprecating.
    Well if you read it carefully you'll know that wasn't the part i was addressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IgnitedMind View Post
    You have missed some good movies bro like Kahaani, Kapoor and sons, October, Queen, Udaan, Dev D, Gangs of W, Udta Punjab, Parched, Shahid, Trapped, Vicky Donor, Piku, Madras Cafe, Highway, Dangal and Quite a few more. You can see reviews and select a movie of your taste. Still not Hollywood, but I think this is the best phase Bollywood has been in terms of Variety of content. Still need to up its ante to catch upto Malayalam Cinema and a few Tamil films...but getting better.
    have u seen ankhon dekhi starring sanjay mishra ?
    A very beautiful film it is


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    Quote Originally Posted by rollingstoned View Post
    This is an utterly self deprecating car crash of a post. there are always these 'angrez chale gaye aulad chhodke types' around.
    It's mostly limited to Tamilians or more specifically Iyengars/Iyers .
    I call it Hermione Granger syndrome.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TM Riddle View Post
    It's mostly limited to Tamilians or more specifically Iyengars/Iyers .
    I call it Hermione Granger syndrome.
    It will take a few more decades to deprogram certain traits that have manifeste over centuries. All in good time. the 2 communities you mentioned are actually paradoxically modern yet conservative and are either fiercely proud of who they are or have completely gentrified. There is a certain Congress politician from this community who is quite.. well-loved and is criticized for being close to Pakistan who comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollingstoned View Post
    It will take a few more decades to deprogram certain traits that have manifeste over centuries. All in good time. the 2 communities you mentioned are actually paradoxically modern yet conservative and are either fiercely proud of who they are or have completely gentrified. There is a certain Congress politician from this community who is quite.. well-loved and is criticized for being close to Pakistan who comes to mind.
    We have a couple of them here on this board itself. The interiority complex is mind boggling to say the least.

    No wonder Periyar got such a following down there.


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    So this movie ends up doing well at the box office. Expected from the Indian and Pakistani public. I can’t say I’m even disappointed since you can’t expect better from them tbh. What is really shameful is the amount of literate people I know who went to watch this. Indian and Pakistani people have no sense of appreciation for good art. Even people who know it’s going to be bad are still paying money to go watch this. By going to watch this trash you are encouraging more and more stuff like this to be made. These filmmakers don’t care if their movie is garbage. They just want your money. Look at this idiot Bobby Deols response to the criticism of this movie. He said that the movie did well at the box office theeefore it must be good. This is the mindset of people in Bollywood. Honestly I don’t even care anymore. I just feel sorry for Indian and Pakistani people now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    Let's be honest, you wake up in the morning to go to the movies, are you taking the family out to watch Gangs of Wasseypur?



    There will always be room for movies like this and that's okay.
    This is the usual awful response from people who defend this stuff. So much wrong with this that I won’t even bother to argue


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    Quote Originally Posted by aliasad1998 View Post
    So this movie ends up doing well at the box office. Expected from the Indian and Pakistani public. I can’t say I’m even disappointed since you can’t expect better from them tbh. What is really shameful is the amount of literate people I know who went to watch this. Indian and Pakistani people have no sense of appreciation for good art. Even people who know it’s going to be bad are still paying money to go watch this. By going to watch this trash you are encouraging more and more stuff like this to be made. These filmmakers don’t care if their movie is garbage. They just want your money. Look at this idiot Bobby Deols response to the criticism of this movie. He said that the movie did well at the box office theeefore it must be good. This is the mindset of people in Bollywood. Honestly I don’t even care anymore. I just feel sorry for Indian and Pakistani people now.
    Bobby Deol is right to be honest. Those movies are made for home audiences, and ex-pats with mentality still living in India and Pakistan. As long as those people are enjoying the Hollywood copycat films, then job done as far as the producers are concerned.

    Think of it like the mobile phone market. If you have the iphone X with all the latest tech then you aren't going to think much of the older dumb phones, but for someone who has never seen a mobile phone, the old Nokias and Motorolas probably seem like something from Star Trek.


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