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  1. #561
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadi Rizvi View Post
    Botham reckons ENG can still get to a 200 run lead.

    Don't they have duct tape in the UK
    Pretty biased commentary by Botham.

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    For the batting talent he has, Chris Woakes has underachieved significantly. I felt his bowling wouldn't pass muster in India/Aus, but expected him to average 30-31 easily with bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mozi2003 View Post
    Just wait and watch.......
    We are on the ropes here. It is only a question of whether we will lose with dignity or get humiliated.

    If we can keep the lead to less than 200, we might be able to make England bat again. I would take a 10 wicket or 9 wicket loss here, because an innings defeat was the most likely outcome at the end of day 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadi Rizvi View Post
    Botham reckons ENG can still get to a 200 run lead.

    Don't they have duct tape in the UK
    They'll probably get around 150 which is going to be more than enough for them to win.


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    Poor start.

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    Is he going to take the new ball or am i going to pull out my hair


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    Quote Originally Posted by punter17 View Post
    McGrath was an absolute class when he bowled with new ball. But have you seen him coming around for second spell, in later part of his career? He almost couldnt even let bowl at the death as batsman used to be more aggressive charging in, and blasting him out the parks. He retired before becoming a mockery!
    Proof please. I'm not sure how he could take as many wickets cheaply and with a good economy rate by only bowling a good first spell.

    With your statement, he must have been Sydney Barnes in the first spell and Venkatesh Prasad in his second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadi Rizvi View Post
    Botham reckons ENG can still get to a 200 run lead.

    Don't they have duct tape in the UK
    The last 4 wickets can definitely score 100 runs.

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    Horrible start by Abbas.

    New ball seems to be doing something for Abbas though.


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    Nothing wrong with what Botham said, although it is not what we want to hear. If Buttler can get a 60 or a 70, and if the tail wags, England can get to 200.

    It looks tough at this point, but they are capable. Nothing biased about what he said.

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    Ooh that was close!

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    Woakes is a solid batsmen.

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    Sarfaraz definitely going to be banned after this Test with this poor over rate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    We are on the ropes here. It is only a question of whether we will lose with dignity or get humiliated.

    If we can keep the lead to less than 200, we might be able to make England bat again. I would take a 10 wicket or 9 wicket loss here, because an innings defeat was the most likely outcome at the end of day 1.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    They'll probably get around 150 which is going to be more than enough for them to win.
    Why is this an impossible scenario -

    Azhar 100
    Imam 50
    Haris 80
    Asad 50
    Usman 50
    Sarfraz 20
    Shadab 50
    Faheem 40
    Amir 20
    Hasan 15
    Abbas 10

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    Question: What is this reaction ENG/PAK thing on Sky? I thought the batter's reaction was to the ball leaving the bowler's arm, but the fielding side?

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    Lead swellling

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    Sarfaraz should improve his body language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    The last 4 wickets can definitely score 100 runs.
    Yes, and Shadab is the next Steve Smith

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    Lead reaches 100

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    100 run lead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadBall View Post
    Sarfaraz should improve his body language.
    Agreed. Keepers are supposed to be the life of a team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Why is this an impossible scenario -

    Azhar 100
    Imam 50
    Haris 80
    Asad 50
    Usman 50
    Sarfraz 20
    Shadab 50
    Faheem 40
    Amir 20
    Hasan 15
    Abbas 10
    Pak need to score 350+ and hope for rain. Not unlikely. I trust our batting.

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    Woakes to score. 50 here

    Always destroys us

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    Amir not bowling with the new ball. Best captain since IK we were told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Why is this an impossible scenario -

    Azhar 100
    Imam 50
    Haris 80
    Asad 50
    Usman 50
    Sarfraz 20
    Shadab 50
    Faheem 40
    Amir 20
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    Because itís not going to happen. Azhar is rubbish, but he is twice as rubbish in the second innings.

    The rest of the lineup will not cope with the scoreboard pressure. The best we can do here is to give England a small chase.

    This match is a carbon copy of Lordís, but the roles have been reversed.

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    Give the ball to Amirrrrrr!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    Agreed. Keepers are supposed to be the life of a team.
    More importantly the captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Because itís not going to happen. Azhar is rubbish, but he is twice as rubbish in the second innings.

    The rest of the lineup will not cope with the scoreboard pressure. The best we can do here is to give England a small chase.

    This match is a carbon copy of Lordís, but the roles have been reversed.
    One of Azhar/Asad/Haris is due a big score.

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    Rain is the only thing that will save us

    Pathetic batting line up will be bundled out for 180 max

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    Faheem wasting the new ball

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    Wasting the new ball here


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Because it’s not going to happen. Azhar is rubbish, but he is twice as rubbish in the second innings.

    The rest of the lineup will not cope with the scoreboard pressure. The best we can do here is to give England a small chase.

    This match is a carbon copy of Lord’s, but the roles have been reversed.
    The time for Azhar has come to show why he has been called Pak's best Test batsman.

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    I hope Pankha base won't kill me if I say PAK cordon stands at least 3 steps too far, set by their WK ...... hence half of the edges reach one bounce.

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    What in the actual hell.......Amir kahan hai yaaaaarrrr

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    None of our batsman is capable of scoring big in England

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    We need someone to play an innings like Younis played at the Oval in 2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by castortroy View Post
    None of our batsman is capable of scoring big in England
    They can - if Azhar and Imam can see off the new ball.

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    Lovely bowling by Faheem

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    Need to dismiss Buttler asap

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    They can - if Azhar and Imam can see off the new ball.
    Exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Why is this an impossible scenario -

    Azhar 100
    Imam 50
    Haris 80
    Asad 50
    Usman 50
    Sarfraz 20
    Shadab 50
    Faheem 40
    Amir 20
    Hasan 15
    Abbas 10
    Sarfaraz 20

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    Quote Originally Posted by castortroy View Post
    None of our batsman is capable of scoring big in England
    Apart from Shadab maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I hope Pankha base won't kill me if I say PAK cordon stands at least 3 steps too far, set by their WK ...... hence half of the edges reach one bounce.
    Exactly. He looks so disinterested as well for some reason.

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    So much wrist-slitting right now........

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    Any hope of Pakistan's win has seemingly gone out of the window as the lead crosses 100. Even if we get them in the next 10 runs, I doubt our batters possess the mental composure to chop off the deficit without losing 5-6 wickets in the process. Which should make it an easy win for England when they come on to bat the second time with not much to chase.

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    Well bowled.

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    Good bowling by Abbas...

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    None of the batters have the patience to bat long and not against the swinging conditions

    Azhar ali is a walking wicker as is all the rest

    Game is done

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    Abbas looking confident.

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    Bring Amir on now.

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    100 lead.

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    Butler is poor against the moving ball, luck is keeping him at the crease.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mozi2003 View Post
    So much wrist-slitting right now........
    Understandable given the hit and miss Pak batting.

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    Amir on. Finally.

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    Amir with the new ball is the last role of the dice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    Exactly. He looks so disinterested as well for some reason.
    Statistics - average, a Test results about 10 catches/game, 3.5-4 of them by WK. Now, with a WK like Saha, IND drops 20%, means 2 out of 10 (that's 1 by Saha out of 10) and PAK drops 1 out of 10 (means, Sarfraz drops roughly 1 in 2 game, or half per game ....)

    ..... hence, without even looking at the game, I can tell that he is standing at a "safe" distance & doesn't bother much to dive around to touch the ball on flight - that's a pre-condition to drop a catch.

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    Amir into the attack.

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    Since a win is out of picture for Pakistan. Unless Pakistan play extremely well and get them out around 100 in 4th innings. Maybe rain can help draw the match?

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    Not going to happen, but Specialist Captain should be axed from the Test team.

    Rizwan cannot do worse with the bat, and he is a better keeper and also the fittest player in the country.

    Shafiq can take over as captain. He is mediocre, but he is not going to be dropped, which means he is not a bad choice for captaincy.

    At least he performs once in 3-4 innings unlike the current savior at the helm.

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    Wicket coming soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARK Rafay View Post
    Since a win is out of picture for Pakistan. Unless Pakistan play extremely well and get them out around 100 in 4th innings. Maybe rain can help draw the match?
    2 innings will be finished before lunch tomorrow with over 8 sessions left. A draw is almost out of the question.

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    Good ball.

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    One Word.... Luckyyyyyy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Not going to happen, but Specialist Captain should be axed from the Test team.

    Rizwan cannot do worse with the bat, and he is a better keeper and also the fittest player in the country.

    Shafiq can take over as captain. He is mediocre, but he is not going to be dropped, which means he is not a bad choice for captaincy.

    At least he performs once in 3-4 innings unlike the current savior at the helm.
    Again!!!!! ...... next time his T20 & ODI team beats mighty ZIM, you'll be in trouble.

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    Everyone has got into 20s with three scores of 40s and Buttler not out in 30s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Statistics - average, a Test results about 10 catches/game, 3.5-4 of them by WK. Now, with a WK like Saha, IND drops 20%, means 2 out of 10 (that's 1 by Saha out of 10) and PAK drops 1 out of 10 (means, Sarfraz drops roughly 1 in 2 game, or half per game ....)

    ..... hence, without even looking at the game, I can tell that he is standing at a "safe" distance & doesn't bother much to dive around to touch the ball on flight - that's a pre-condition to drop a catch.

    So has trying to keep his place in the team safe ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Not going to happen, but Specialist Captain should be axed from the Test team.

    Rizwan cannot do worse with the bat, and he is a better keeper and also the fittest player in the country.

    Shafiq can take over as captain. He is mediocre, but he is not going to be dropped, which means he is not a bad choice for captaincy.

    At least he performs once in 3-4 innings unlike the current savior at the helm.
    Better keeper... How?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Statistics - average, a Test results about 10 catches/game, 3.5-4 of them by WK. Now, with a WK like Saha, IND drops 20%, means 2 out of 10 (that's 1 by Saha out of 10) and PAK drops 1 out of 10 (means, Sarfraz drops roughly 1 in 2 game, or half per game ....)

    ..... hence, without even looking at the game, I can tell that he is standing at a "safe" distance & doesn't bother much to dive around to touch the ball on flight - that's a pre-condition to drop a catch.
    He can't dive properly for a start. From ball I knew they are far too back. Plus Bess edged one and it fell short of him and still he didn't move forward.

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    Woakes is solid when defending.

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    Amir's record in England
    22 inns 49 wkts at 25.2 with 52 S/R and 2 5-fers

    Wasim's record in Eng
    23 inns 53 wkts at 28.7 with 64 S/R and 2 5-fers

    Interesting

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    Missing the stumps I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imshally81 View Post
    Better keeper... How?
    Rizwanís keeping has improved since his last stint with the national team, and it is also a matter of principle.

    Sarfraz needs to be taught a lesson - there is no excuse for his fitness levels and poor performances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Not going to happen, but Specialist Captain should be axed from the Test team.

    Rizwan cannot do worse with the bat, and he is a better keeper and also the fittest player in the country.

    Shafiq can take over as captain. He is mediocre, but he is not going to be dropped, which means he is not a bad choice for captaincy.

    At least he performs once in 3-4 innings unlike the current savior at the helm.
    I can't see any trait in Shafiq's personality that would suggest he is capable of captaining the Pakistan Test team.


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    Wasim as usual repeating the on-screen graphics to the decimals like a parrot.

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    Thin pak will be all out tomorrow after tea

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    Again!!!!! ...... next time his T20 & ODI team beats mighty ZIM, you'll be in trouble.
    True, we have the mighty Scotland coming up. Yet another massive challenge for the number one T20 team.

    Pakistanís run in T20s since summer of 2016 is something the world will remember for years, especially when you consider the level of opposition that we faced.

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    Imagine if Woakes played at lords

    The guy just loves playing against pak

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    4 runs for Woakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    He can't dive properly for a start. From ball I knew they are far too back. Plus Bess edged one and it fell short of him and still he didn't move forward.
    A WK like Rod Marsh was probably heavier than Sarfraz, probably close to 100KG!!!!!, as he was taller. BUT, guy had unreal reflex and probably the best anticipation among WKs', hence often he had time enough to react and grab. C Marsh, B Lillee appeared in Test Score Card 95 times.

    Sarfraz's anticipation is among the worst that I have seen - let alone catching, if Amir starts to swerve across leg, half of those will go for 4 byes.

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    England should declare now..


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