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    Why did Waqar Younis not receive as much adulation in comparison to Wasim Akram?

    I mean he was a very devastating bowler in his prime, but for me Wasim is the guy who mostly tended to walk away with a lot of praise, adulation from the press, media.

    Does this have a lot to do with Wasim being more extroverted and more charming? Wasim definitely has proven to be the more easy going guy and he has a much better history than Waqar when it comes to getting along with difficult characters. Imran Khan to this day still specially invites Wasim on his social get togethers, retreats but he has absolutely zero time for Waqar.

    Waqar in comparison gives the impression he is more introverted and feels uncomfortable in social circles. I also get the impression that with Waqar, if you don't make an instant impression on him or if you fall short, he writes you off with no recourse for second chances. Waqar has also had a bigger history of conflicts with team mates as players, as coach.

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    Wasim was always shrewd and was careful enough to be "camera-ready" while Waqar came across as bitter and brutish.


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    Wasim was a better bowler as well, not to forget had a WC under him bigger longevity.

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    Hes a left armer and that action was poetry in motion

    Waqars bowling was brutish Wasims more refined and elegant

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    Wasim was consistently the better bowler.
    Waqar regressed significantly after his first 3-4 years. He was just an average bowler for most of his latter career

    Wasim was also a better batsmen. And most significantly, Wasim won Pakistan their only WC, Waqar was injured and didn't even travel with the team

    Wasim is more charismatic as well.. it should be pretty obvious why the fans and media prefer Wasim over Waqar

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    Recently because of Waqar getting his hands dirty involving himself with Pakistan cricket. Before that he received as much adulation as Wasim Akram

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Recently because of Waqar getting his hands dirty involving himself with Pakistan cricket. Before that he received as much adulation as Wasim Akram
    Nope he never did as much as Wasim even before at least globally and rightly so.

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    Because Wasim was simply the better bowler. A level above.

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    Wasim was better looking and taller and a better bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    Nope he never did as much as Wasim even before at least globally and rightly so.
    Always thought they were neck and neck, and probably still regarded as such globally. Wasim is ofcourse a lot more media savvy as compared to Waqar, and being an Indian fan you would naturally relate to Wasim more.

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    Because Wasim was a genius. He could do kind of things which nobody in the cricket world could do.

    There are many great cricketers in the cricketing history and even many from Wasim's era itself but people like Sobers, Wasim or Warne have a different place in cricketing world simply because of their magical ability, the kinds of things which only they can do.

    Just look at the admiration Wasim gets from his peers compared to the rest.
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    Thank God Waqar did not have the affection of some of these people we call journalists!


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    Wasim won the hearts of the people for winning the 92 WC Final. Waqar got smacked by Jadeja in the highest profile Pak-Ind match of his career.

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    It has less to be due to bowling . In addition to other factors,Waseem ‘s involvement with Indian cricket both as a commentator cum tv anchor and IPL stint might be a big factor . Indian media has a large audience to cater , so that is probably one of the reason waseem is more famous than Waqar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Because Wasim was simply the better bowler. A level above.
    Wasim maybe very slightly better. No way is he a level above. Arguments could be made for Waqar being the better bowler in the test format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketTruth View Post
    Wasim maybe very slightly better. No way is he a level above. Arguments could be made for Waqar being the better bowler in the test format.
    But it's not a Cricket Truth is it?

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    Wasim had a better test career and in ODI gap was even bigger.


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    Akram was a different cricketer all together. A genius with the ball; the most talented and skillful fast bowler ever.

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    Wasim was the better bowler.

    You could put both of their careers side by side without knowing who they are and Wasim would still come out on top.


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    Waqar was a better bowler overall but Wasim was more consistent. Waqar had one of the better fast bowlers action in decades.

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    Waqar was more destructive and lethal at his peak than Wasim, but he was probably one dimensional (in a unique way) in that wickets for the most part at his peak came through his magical weapon - bowled/lbw from fast late swinging yorkers.. he made his mistakes as a bowler in between but could make up for it knowing he had the extreme skill to come up with that one wicket taking delivery at any moment - like they say, you miss I hit. And those unplayable Yorkers many which were wasted against tailenders could easily have dismissed a Bradman, Sobers or Viv many times.

    Wasim earned more respect in my view as he was a more complete fastbowler and his variety and shrewdness could intentionally make even the best batsmen look clueless, is the ball coming in? Or swinging out, or short ball unexpectedly, Yorker, he could bowl all these deliveries within an over and beat the batsman through smart and craftiness. That is why even the likes of Tendulkar, Lara, Viv, Dravid compliment Wasim so highly.
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    It varies from country to country: in England, New Zealand and South Africa it was Waqar who performed better and was more feared: indeed in England the verb for being bowled by a Yorker is to be “Waqared”! Even if the bowler is Shoaib or Starc!!!!!!!

    Waqar is less renowned in Australia, India and Pakistan because Wasim Akram performed better there.

    In the UK, Waqar is nothing less than a living legend. Imran Khan and Wasim Akram never did win a county championship, nor did Javed Miandad or Zaheer Abbas.

    But Mushtaq Ahmed did twice, and Waqar even won the Championship for little Glamorgan.

    Just listen to the BBC Test Match Special “Ask Waqar” episode from last week. Even Vic Marks - who is an Oxford graduate who played alongside Viv Richards and Ian Botham at Somerset - was in absolute awe of Waqar Younis.

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    Wasim developed his skills overtime he became better and better by every game whereas Waqar regressed after 96 world cup.. he was no longer the bowler once he was.
    shoaib akhter came to the scene to replace waqar. shoaib had more speed same yorkers as waqar and better charisma.. on the other there was no one to replace Wasim (there wont be any anyways).

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    Peak of Waqar was much higher than Wasim, from 1989 to 1995,Waqar was monster and very exciting to watch. But after his injury, he become pretty average bowler...

    Wasim on the other hand, had career for 18 years 1985 to 2003), he never really had significant dip in Odis throughout his career, because of his exceptional skills, not just pace. In test he was helping hand in later years to Sohaib( late 90s onward)...

    Plus Wasim was always good with new ball, could swing both ways, has so many variations, Waqar did not have all that.

    Also, Wasim was more well rounded, he was good in AUS as well, where both Waqar and Sohaib struggled...

    Waqar main reason of fame were banana swinging yorkers, one can argue, at peak Waqar was tier above Wasim at reverse swing as well... He has some very crazy stats early on, not just that his SR was 46, even after significant dip in test, early on he must be below 40...I remember before 1995/96, Waqar was more thrilling to watch than Wasim...

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    Lets be honest Waqar is hated for that 1996 world cup quarter final performance and its really unfortunate that he is hated for it since he was our best bowler in that game until the 41st over he even had Jadeja out plumb but it was not given by the umpire..

    Not to take anything away from Jadeja it was a brutal knock that absolutely took the game away from Pakistan..
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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketTruth View Post
    Wasim maybe very slightly better. No way is he a level above. Arguments could be made for Waqar being the better bowler in the test format.
    Slightly better? Wasim was easily a level above. He is in the ranks of geniuses like Warne Tendulkar Viv and co. Waqar is not.

    Various greats of the game like Dravid Ponting Kallis rated Wasim as the most difficult bowler to face.

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    I think the English rate Waqar higher but Indians/Australians will always rate wasim higher since he was more effective against us.


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    Nah, Waqar never had the swagger. World class bowler at his best but a boring personality

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    Wasim was better at everything.

    Better bowler
    Better batsman
    Better fielder
    Better match winner
    Better captain
    Better leader
    Better charisma
    Better communication skills

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    Waqar had a much shorter peak. He was world class for the first 3-4 yrs of his career. Post that, he was an average bowler. Wasim was consistent for most part of his career.

    Although, the popularity has got to do with the personality. Wasim was shrewd and was a people's person. Waqar wasn't.

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    Waqar Younis was inferior to Glenn McGrath, Allan Donald and Curtly Ambrose as well, none of them received as much adulation as Wasim did.

    That's also one big fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Slightly better? Wasim was easily a level above. He is in the ranks of geniuses like Warne Tendulkar Viv and co. Waqar is not.

    Various greats of the game like Dravid Ponting Kallis rated Wasim as the most difficult bowler to face.
    Dravid and co though were from the era when waqar was past his best

    Ask the batsmen from the early 90s and you may get a different response

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    Its got less to do with whose better or effective (because some would say that was debateable)

    More to do with akram being more skillful, possesing more variety and being a left armer

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    Waqar had a very short peak. After 1996, he was just a shadow of his own self. Due to injuries, his pace dropped, his action changed and he was never the same threatening bowler again. He played the last few years mainly on reputation. While Wasim was still a very good bowler in his last years. He had more skills and longevity due to his smooth run-up and easy action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaz View Post
    Dravid and co though were from the era when waqar was past his best

    Ask the batsmen from the early 90s and you may get a different response
    Which batsman from early 90s?

    How long was this prime then?5 years? How does that compare to a bowler with a 18yr career?

    Waqar struggled once he lost pace and once players started playing his reverse swing in dipping yorkers well. Wasim though continued to be effective.

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    Idk why but i always feel like waqar was kane and wasim was undertaker.

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    I always rated Waqar as the real hard man, but that is because he performed better than Wasim against England.

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    Wasim was the better bowler that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Which batsman from early 90s?

    How long was this prime then?5 years? How does that compare to a bowler with a 18yr career?

    Waqar struggled once he lost pace and once players started playing his reverse swing in dipping yorkers well. Wasim though continued to be effective.
    Wasim didnt have 18 great years He was world class between 89-99 before that he was learning his skill, after that ineffective He was pretty much done by 2000

    Its a myth waqar struggled Yes he never reached those high standards post 95 but to say he struggled is rubbish He was still a very good bowler

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    Injury forced him out of the 92wc

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    Waqar

    Tests 87, 373 Wkts @ 23.56 SR 43.4,
    ODIs 262, 416 Wkts @ 23.84 SR 30.5

    Wasim

    Tests 104, 414 Wkts @ 23.62 SR 54.6
    ODIs 356, 502 Wkts @ 23.52 SR 36.2

    There’s nothing in it in terms of stats Wasim being a better bowler is a bit of a myth, hes lauded for being a exceptional leftie (when historically there weren’t any) and someone with great skill and versatility as a bowler Something waqar and most bowlers tbh don’t possess


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    Wasim was a better batsman and probably fielder as well. Pak needed to promote an all rounder after IK.


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    Did I just read someone say Waqar was a rubbish bowler after injury?

    Misguided soul, Waqar's peak was so literally devastating that his excellent record after injury pales in comparison. Even at the fag end of his career he was ripping teams apart.

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    To me, Waqar always had more swag and Wasim had more skill. But I think wasim had a more successful captaincy and was part of the winning WC squad, therefore he was more popular. Similar to Afridi and Razzaq, both were good allrounders but Afridi has captaincy on his resume.

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    I think both were exceptional bowlers but Wasim was a genius. Waqar also had lots of injuries which hampered his career and in the later part wasn't the same bowler he was at the start of his career. Also Wasim's brilliant performance in 1992 WC final makes him legendary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Did I just read someone say Waqar was a rubbish bowler after injury?

    Misguided soul, Waqar's peak was so literally devastating that his excellent record after injury pales in comparison. Even at the fag end of his career he was ripping teams apart.
    He never had an excellent record after his injury. Since 1995 till the end of his career, he averaged more than 28. Decent, but nothing great for a bowler of his caliber.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    He never had an excellent record after his injury. Since 1995 till the end of his career, he averaged more than 28. Decent, but nothing great for a bowler of his caliber.
    Wasim and Waqar both averaged 29 post the 1999 world cup... both were pretty much equal in test matches too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman View Post
    He never had an excellent record after his injury. Since 1995 till the end of his career, he averaged more than 28. Decent, but nothing great for a bowler of his caliber.
    No he did not. Averaged around 27 in Tests and 25 in ODIs, while Wasim Akram averaged 25 in Tests and 24 in ODIs in the same period. Towards the end of their careers, Waqar had slightly better performances than Wasim. Its really a myth that Wasim was way better than Waqar.

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    Injuries slowed him down in the late 90s. He played way too much cricket for a tearaway from 90-94. Can't blame him though as he was ignorant on how to manage his body as was the board. Had he extended his peak from 94-98, he'd be right up there amongst the top 5 to ever bowl.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    No he did not. Averaged around 27 in Tests and 25 in ODIs, while Wasim Akram averaged 25 in Tests and 24 in ODIs in the same period. Towards the end of their careers, Waqar had slightly better performances than Wasim. Its really a myth that Wasim was way better than Waqar.
    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling


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    Wasim I believe lost interest in Cricket after losing the captaincy in 2000, he just looked at ending his career in the 2003 WC as a formality. Wasim was still a steady economical bowler still even if he wasn't running through sides.

    Waqar on the other hand was mostly boom or bust and mostly bust. You could see with the naked eye he was finished as a bowler, he was very lucky to have gotten the captaincy in 2001 because he was in and out of the side previously and would most likely not have made selection for the 2003 WC otherwise.

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    Waqar actually is a very private person. Wasim came on many joint tv interviews with his late wife and his current wife in comparison and was and is very social on the party scene. These things play a role

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I always rated Waqar as the real hard man, but that is because he performed better than Wasim against England.
    England was not really a good side back then compared to now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    Wasim and Waqar both averaged 29 post the 1999 world cup... both were pretty much equal in test matches too
    What were their ages at that point in time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    What were their ages at that point in time?
    Waqar is perhaps same age as Wasim. It is clear he officially lied about his age by a good 4-5 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    What were their ages at that point in time?
    Waqar is 3-4 years younger, but you don't look at the age they started, but you look at the no. of years they played in cricket.. Wasim started earlier, but all of Waqar, Wasim, Anwar were given a deadline by the chairman after the 2003 world cup that this will be their last..

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    Till 1995 Waqar was a beast. Although not as skilled or gifted like Wasim, in that period 1991 to 1995 he was probably the best fast bowler in the world. He was always ranked no.1 in the Coppers & Lybrand rating. There was no better sight than watching Waqar steaming in. The more he got hit for runs the more quicker he bowled. In an interview Imran mentioned that Waqar was physically stronger than Wasim. At times Wasim will shift to fast-medium or even medium pace but Waqar no matter what the situation with his long run up will be charging in every ball. That was one of the reasons he suffered two serious stress fractures on his lower back. Now stress fracture of the lower back is a serious injury and a career threatening for a fast bowler. Ian Bishop was half the bowler when he made his comeback. Dennis Lillee became a much clever bowler after 1974 but lost his pace. Despite two of these injuries Waqar made a comeback and ended up with 383 wickets.

    Yes, he was not the same bowler after 1995, but will be remembered as one of the greatest.

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    Waqar was a better bowler until mid 90s
    Wasim was a better captain, an all rounder and probably more articulate/carried himself better
    If I had to choose the better bowler between them and one of the criterion was , "Who was better in their peak" I would choose Waqar

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    Waqar Mark 1 was as good as any quick in history. WI were immense in his day and he ran through them. 1989-1993, Waqar even allowing for his injury in 1992 was as good as it is possible to be. Lightening fast, boomerang swing. He revolutionized fast bowling.

    But he fell off pretty quickly. If I am not mistaken, he had 200 scalps in 36 tests @ 18 and then 150 odd at 27 for the rest of his career. Very much a career of two parts, but his best is better than Wasim's best.

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    Waqar having a terrible Test record in most major countries may have something to do with this.

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    Gonna leave this here:

    To me, the ability to take wickets counts more than anything, and the stats show that despite the era, Waqar was always more of a wicket taker than wasim.

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    It's a very satisfying feeling as a Pakistan fan to know that Wasim Akram, who was a genius and some say was arguably the greatest fast bowler ever, and yet we Pakistan fans can boast Waqar and Imran Khan who were arguably better fast bowlers.. I did say arguably twice here, in two different contexts.

    A similar analogy could be Sobers, Viv and Lara -- any one of these three could be Arguably the greatest test batsman ever, and yet the other two were arguably better.


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