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    Current England form should worry India in ODIs!

    England is playing like number 1 ODI team in England.

    Shortly India will be playing England.

    India is always hard to beat in ODIs. India has done well in SA.

    Current form of England will push India to bring their best.

    Arguably for the first time, England are favorite to win ODI series vs India with ease.

    Bring it ON!

    series.
    Last edited by cricketworm; 19th June 2018 at 21:48.


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    This English side lost to Scots.

    Scotland >>> Australia.

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    Depends on how they are going to deal with our spinners.Struggled against Chahal on Indian pattas last time in T20s.But boy, they got some beast hitters!

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    Putting the likes of Pandya and Bhuvi Kumar against England will end nasty for India...

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Putting the likes of Pandya and Bhuvi Kumar against England will end nasty for India...
    Putting Faheem and Amir and Raees will do the same for Pakistan.

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    Don't worry, we have Shardul Thakur. Have faith in him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Putting Faheem and Amir and Raees will do the same for Pakistan.
    Nope. Lmao Raees took 2-44(10) against this “ATG” batting lineup last time

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Nope. Lmao Raees took 2-44(10) against this “ATG” batting lineup last time
    On these pitches, trundlers like Raees will be taken to the sheds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    On these pitches, trundlers like Raees will be taken to the sheds.
    Unlucky for India then

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    England at their best will man-handle India

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    Will be close between them.

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    Gonna be a good series.. In ODI’s England are strong at home and India is top order heavy so would be a challenge but I expect a close fought win..

    In tests I expect us to man handle them.

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    6 of the top 7 batters in this team are ticking time bombs. India will have their work cut out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    England at their best will man-handle India
    We will have Jadhav and Dhoni to give finishing touches to the top order effort.

    Dhoni will blast his way to 40(38) and Jadhav will score a scintillating 30(30). Proud of our finishers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    We will have Jadhav and Dhoni to give finishing touches to the top order effort.

    Dhoni will blast his way to 40(38) and Jadhav will score a scintillating 30(30). Proud of our finishers.
    India have a major issue with their middle-order. This might cost them at the WC. Not every tournament will Dhawan, Kohli and Sharma turn up to the party at the same time. I thought Raina was dynamic, where's he these days?

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    TBH an ENG tour is all about the tests.
    JAMODIS in eng mehhhh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    India have a major issue with their middle-order. This might cost them at the WC. Not every tournament will Dhawan, Kohli and Sharma turn up to the party at the same time. I thought Raina was dynamic, where's he these days?
    Since Jadhav is not fit, Raina is playing his place for England LOI tour.

    Once mightly Jadhav returns, Raina will be back in domestics.

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    Only spinners can save India from the series defeat.

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    Are we playing an odi at Trent Bridge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    Are we playing an odi at Trent Bridge?
    Yeah. Trent bridge, lords ,headingley.

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    I think England will win this time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by introvert View Post
    Yeah. Trent bridge, lords ,headingley.

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    England need to sort out bowling.
    Last time against India in India they had a chance to win the series but bowlers either conceded too many runs & failed to take wickets in crunch situations.

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    What a brilliant ablnd brutal batting line up. We will solely depend on our top 3 that too with a struggling Rohit. Hopefully Rahul will get a proper run.

    The obsession of Kohli-Shastri to stick to past by it Dhoni and Raina will be our biggest down fall. Can't see them doing much in helping us post 350 or help chase 350+ which may be a norm in the upcoming series. Thankfully its only a 3 ODI series.

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    Eng should win ODI and test series.


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    If India bowlers don't show up, England will take the series easily. I don't think India have the power other than Pandya to get big 300 scores.

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    India is a team permanently stuck in 4rth gear. The only times we finish big is when one of the top 3 bat right through 50 ovs (mostly Rohit).

    Really hope Rahul at 4 and Karthik at 6 can solve the issue

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    Bhuvneshwar Kumar isn't wicket taker he will use his tricks to be economical and will just looking at completing bowling quota. Our spinners will decide the series result.

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    On side not our A team too hit 450 today though I agree that is a weak side but still that lineup too has brute hitters, that is why I wanted few of the guys of A team in this squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    If India bowlers don't show up, England will take the series easily. I don't think India have the power other than Pandya to get big 300 scores.
    Yup you are right, it's so disheartening to see Kohli not giving chances to young talent like Pant,kishan, Rahul etc while going for ttfs

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    Also people are forgetting that this aussie side is missing lot of Players Warner, Smith, starc, Hazelwood, Cummins that's 5 excellent players missing.

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    Maybe but we are the only team now to have beaten England in our last home and away bilateral ODIs series . They have a monstrous batting lineup but I think it will be closely fought and we will push them harder than any other team in recent times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubby View Post
    Yup you are right, it's so disheartening to see Kohli not giving chances to young talent like Pant,kishan, Rahul etc while going for ttfs
    Pant failed again today.It was all Prithvi Shaw,Mayank Agarwal and Shubman Gill.Pant is an A grade hack and should be kept away from ODIs and Tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    If India bowlers don't show up, England will take the series easily. I don't think India have the power other than Pandya to get big 300 scores.
    If you check the stats, we are the ones who have the second number of 350 and more totals in recent years behind England.And some of them while even in chasing.India had chased 360 against Australia in the 43rd over with Kohli and Sharma.If the top order fires up and Raina coming back to his old hitting prowess, England's trundlers would struggle to stop our batsmen on these roads.

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    Wow! What is the over-hype about this current England ODI squad and why are our Indians underestimating our Bowlers? Come on! This overrated Eng team lost to Scotland of all the teams just a week ago. India is not as weak as some posters are projecting here. I'm sure it is going to be a close series and India certainly has the upper hand. People talking rubbish about India are just sore losers and advicing not to take their comments seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Wow! What is the over-hype about this current England ODI squad and why are our Indians underestimating our Bowlers? Come on! This overrated Eng team lost to Scotland of all the teams just a week ago. India is not as weak as some posters are projecting here. I'm sure it is going to be a close series and India certainly has the upper hand. People talking rubbish about India are just sore losers and advicing not to take their comments seriously.
    Its not overhype.

    England has the firepower with batsmen until no.7 that can decimate any bowling attack on a given day. They can easily post scores in excess of 300.

    Now with Indian team relying way too much on Top 3, we will be in trouble if we lose the top order cheaply (CT finals).

    England's bowling is still ordinary. But if they score 320+, they will win more often than not. Similar to how India used to play until 2015. Simply outscore and outgun the opposition and the scoreboard pressure will win the match even if the bowlers are rubbish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Wow! What is the over-hype about this current England ODI squad and why are our Indians underestimating our Bowlers? Come on! This overrated Eng team lost to Scotland of all the teams just a week ago. India is not as weak as some posters are projecting here. I'm sure it is going to be a close series and India certainly has the upper hand. People talking rubbish about India are just sore losers and advicing not to take their comments seriously.
    Easy there Tiger!

    England in England are hard to beat. England has more chances to win given flat pitches, any spice in wicket, India has upper hand.

    India will be playing ODis first then tests. Makes it more difficult for India to stop England. Their top order batsmen are in some serious form. England is not overrated esp. if they are playing in England.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Wow! What is the over-hype about this current England ODI squad and why are our Indians underestimating our Bowlers? Come on! This overrated Eng team lost to Scotland of all the teams just a week ago. India is not as weak as some posters are projecting here. I'm sure it is going to be a close series and India certainly has the upper hand. People talking rubbish about India are just sore losers and advicing not to take their comments seriously.
    "India has the upper hand"? Ok

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    The Indians will have their hands full with this English Team .... but than, the reverse is also true !!!! .... soooo .... it should be a real head knocker of an ODI series !!!!

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    England's firepower will definitely worry India.

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    I am going to go with India here, they are a more well-rounded team than England.

    Kohli is alone worth half of the English team, and although they are a top-heavy side, England’s bowling attack is rubbish.

    Moreover, England’s gung-ho approach will not always work against quality bowling attacks.

    India have the best bowling attack in ODI cricket at the moment, and certainly the most balanced.

    They have to two quality pacers in Bhuvneshwar and Bumrah who are good with both the new ball and the old ball, two fantastic LOI spinners, and an all-rounder in Pandya who can crank it up to 90 mph.

    It can go either way, but I think India start as slight favorites. Also, this series will show the importance of Root to the England batting lineup - some people think he is holding them back, and that might be true against weak attacks, but he is still their most reliable anchor and will be needed to hold the innings together against good attacks.

    Nonetheless, it is going to be a fascinating series between the two best ODI sides in the world, and by some distance. A shame it is not a five match series.

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    It will be battle of batting but the one which is gonna bowl well will take the series.

    Eng have got the best LOIs batting at the moment and India have got probably the best top 3. Bowling wise Bumrah, Kuldeep, Plunkett, Wood, Rashid will be the key.
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    Yeah Kumar is a quality ODI pacer while Amir is not one, despite having better stats and blockbuster performances so far. Shameless hypocrisy is the apt term here

    "India certainly has the upper hand"
    "India has the best bowling attack in the world"

    Matlab hadd ho gayi hai

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Yeah Kumar is a quality ODI pacer while Amir is not one, despite having better stats and blockbuster performances so far. Shameless hypocrisy is the apt term here

    "India certainly has the upper hand"
    "India has the best bowling attack in the world"

    Matlab hadd ho gayi hai
    Funny thing is Bhuvenshwar Kumar who is believed to be really good with both new and old ball averages 38 with the bowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Funny thing is Bhuvenshwar Kumar who is believed to be really good with both new and old ball averages 38 with the bowl.
    Absolutely. Any green shirt with that average would be the cause of our cricket being finished and a living example of a reality check for us fans

    Shameful

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    Some people act as though Kohli scores 150+ every game

    He’s amazing but starting to get extremely overrated on PP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Yeah Kumar is a quality ODI pacer while Amir is not one, despite having better stats and blockbuster performances so far. Shameless hypocrisy is the apt term here

    "India certainly has the upper hand"
    "India has the best bowling attack in the world"

    Matlab hadd ho gayi hai
    Best ODI pacers Amir, Hasan & Co didn't help Pak win a Single match against the depleted NZ team and NZ manhandled the CT champions with a 5-0 whitewash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Some people act as though Kohli scores 150+ every game

    He’s amazing but starting to get extremely overrated on PP.
    Certainly not as overrated as Faheems, Babars, Talats and Shinwaris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Best ODI pacers Amir, Hasan & Co didn't help Pak win a Single match against the depleted NZ team and NZ manhandled the CT champions with a 5-0 whitewash.
    Having reading issues mate? Take off those blue tinted glasses, might help your eyesight

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Best ODI pacers Amir, Hasan & Co didn't help Pak win a Single match against the depleted NZ team and NZ manhandled the CT champions with a 5-0 whitewash.
    Yes and what happened to so called best team when they toured NZ lost 4-0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Yes and what happened to so called best team when they toured NZ lost 4-0.
    He probably forgot the two bowlers he mentioned shamed his nation's batters exactly a year ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    I am going to go with India here, they are a more well-rounded team than England.

    Kohli is alone worth half of the English team, and although they are a top-heavy side, England’s bowling attack is rubbish.

    Moreover, England’s gung-ho approach will not always work against quality bowling attacks.

    India have the best bowling attack in ODI cricket at the moment, and certainly the most balanced.

    They have to two quality pacers in Bhuvneshwar and Bumrah who are good with both the new ball and the old ball, two fantastic LOI spinners, and an all-rounder in Pandya who can crank it up to 90 mph.

    It can go either way, but I think India start as slight favorites. Also, this series will show the importance of Root to the England batting lineup - some people think he is holding them back, and that might be true against weak attacks, but he is still their most reliable anchor and will be needed to hold the innings together against good attacks.

    Nonetheless, it is going to be a fascinating series between the two best ODI sides in the world, and by some distance. A shame it is not a five match series.
    India do not have the best bowling attack .... But it ain't bad either....kuldeep and yuzvender will not be easy to score of.... for other bowlers well it depends

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    He probably forgot the two bowlers he mentioned shamed his nation's batters exactly a year ago
    He just dont want to remember that day I guess...

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    India has a gun loi bowling line-up with almost all bases covered.


    it's written. an akmal will never be a hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoUgandaCranes View Post
    India has a gun loi bowling line-up with almost all bases covered.
    Debatable. But "the best bowling attack in the world" is taking it to an emotional level don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoUgandaCranes View Post
    India has a gun loi bowling line-up with almost all bases covered.
    Out of 3 pacers one averages 38 and other 37 if that is a gun bowling lineup then I guess cricket is touching rock bottom.

    Yes Bumrah is good while Kuldeep and Chahal are good spinners but anyone expecting them to bowl like they did on bouncy wickets of SA or spinning wickets of India they might have to think again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Out of 3 pacers one averages 38 and other 37 if that is a gun bowling lineup then I guess cricket is touching rock bottom.

    Yes Bumrah is good while Kuldeep and Chahal are good spinners but anyone expecting them to bowl like they did on bouncy wickets of SA or spinning wickets of India they might have to think again.
    What are the economy rates of these two bowlers?


    it's written. an akmal will never be a hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoUgandaCranes View Post
    What are the economy rates of these two bowlers?
    Right, so Kumar's average is offset by his economy but Amir is bashed senseless here by the elites for exactly the same reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Some people act as though Kohli scores 150+ every game

    He’s amazing but starting to get extremely overrated on PP.
    The irony of this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Some people act as though Kohli scores 150+ every game

    He’s amazing but starting to get extremely overrated on PP.
    Just in case you didn't know, Kohli is a better batsman than any Pakistani who has ever heard of cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Right, so Kumar's average is offset by his economy but Amir is bashed senseless here by the elites for exactly the same reason?
    Have you seen any of my post bashing Amir?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    "India has the upper hand"? Ok
    Err he is not talking about the number 6th ranked minnow there. He is talking about the 2nd best team in the world.

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    Absolute highways combined with terrible bowling and explosive batting.

    England beat Aus by 242 runs and India-A beat Leicestershire by 281 runs.

    Its a story of 2 mismatched teams. Easily the worst single day in the history of ODI cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Right, so Kumar's average is offset by his economy but Amir is bashed senseless here by the elites for exactly the same reason?
    Amir is supposed to be the next superstar and the savior of Pak circket and the next Wasim and what not. He rightfully gets all the criticism as the expectations are too high from Pak fans and cricketing fans in general.

    BK is a good bowler who can be lethal when the conditions suit him. Nothing more and nothing less. He is not the next big thing and never is and never was. He calmly does his job and goes back to the dressing room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babajee View Post
    Some people act as though Kohli scores 150+ every game

    He’s amazing but starting to get extremely overrated on PP.
    They basically are same category people who feel Amir takes 4 wickets every game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    Err he is not talking about the number 6th ranked minnow there. He is talking about the 2nd best team in the world.
    I realize he is talking about the 2nd best team in the world having the upper hand against the best team in the world in their own den, who have just scored 481 against a test playing nation's bowling attack

    I didn't even need to troll you with what this 6th ranked minnow did to your superstars din-dahaaray last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Amir is supposed to be the next superstar and the savior of Pak circket and the next Wasim and what not. He rightfully gets all the criticism as the expectations are too high from Pak fans and cricketing fans in general.

    BK is a good bowler who can be lethal when the conditions suit him. Nothing more and nothing less. He is not the next big thing and never is and never was. He calmly does his job and goes back to the dressing room.
    Its not Amir's fault his supporters have put him on a pedestal just to bash him. He has done adequate enough (in LOI cricket) to be considered a world class bowler if Kumar is a 'quality pacer' with that rubbish average

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    I realize he is talking about the 2nd best team in the world having the upper hand against the best team in the world in their own den, who have just scored 481 against a test playing nation's bowling attack

    I didn't even need to troll you with what this 6th ranked minnow did to your superstars din-dahaaray last year
    A "Fluke" happens. Recently a similar fluke happened when Scotland "fluked" England

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    Just in case you didn't know, Kohli is a better batsman than any Pakistani who has ever heard of cricket.
    And also a choker. Don't rate Batsmen if they can't do anything on a big stage.
    Last edited by Khan12; 19th June 2018 at 20:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mp812rediff View Post
    A "Fluke" happens. Recently a similar fluke happened when Scotland "fluked" England
    Shows your understanding of cricket if you compare an ICC final with a one-off ODI. I guess India's win in 2013 CT final was an even bigger fluke. Unbelievable how long that was celebrated

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    Few Indian careers on the line here. Interesting series. Think after CT17 final Team India in ODIs hasn't been the same. They are the best test team going around right now and have my izzat, but they need to beat a strong opponent to balance emotions and win the hearts of their fans once again and feel big.

    My duas with them but doesn't mean I support them.

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    England to fluke this series

    On a serious note, Eng on these true pitches where the ball does nothing is like a juggernaut and they are warming up nicely.

    India's only chance is if the pitches are tired and take a bit of turn.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    And also a choker. Don't rate Batsmen if they can't do anything on a big stage.
    In that case Gambhir>>>>>Lara and Tendulkar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    Few Indian careers on the line here. Interesting series. Think after CT17 final Team India in ODIs hasn't been the same. They are the best test team going around right now and have my izzat, but they need to beat a strong opponent to balance emotions and win the hearts of their fans once again and feel big.

    My duas with them but doesn't mean I support them.
    Don't hate India so much that you can't support them in a non-Pakistan game.

    Coming to the topic, I think Indian attack is far better than what Australia fielded today. Indian MO is a little weak which can be exploited. Good that Jadhav is out and Raina is in. With Dhoni showing better form in IPL, my hopes are a bit higher.

    It will be a good contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubby View Post
    Yup you are right, it's so disheartening to see Kohli not giving chances to young talent like Pant,kishan, Rahul etc while going for ttfs
    India need to sort their middle order out before the world cup. KL and Pant need to be backed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hasan123 View Post
    India need to sort their middle order out before the world cup. KL and Pant need to be backed.
    Kl yes but pant looks like a hack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuskash View Post
    In that case Gambhir>>>>>Lara and Tendulkar
    Perfectly fine with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suleiman View Post
    Few Indian careers on the line here. Interesting series. Think after CT17 final Team India in ODIs hasn't been the same. They are the best test team going around right now and have my izzat, but they need to beat a strong opponent to balance emotions and win the hearts of their fans once again and feel big.

    My duas with them but doesn't mean I support them.
    They won 5-1 against SA in SA after CT17. Good thing about new indian think tank set up is that India doesn't nose dive to performance after losing a crunch finals or semis in big tournament.

    But you are right, India must beat in form England to prove their strength, at least should have competitive games unlike Aus. After all, next WC is in England.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Khan12 View Post
    Kl yes but pant looks like a hack.
    I was impressed by him. He's still young. He can get better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by On_the_up View Post
    England to fluke this series

    On a serious note, Eng on these true pitches where the ball does nothing is like a juggernaut and they are warming up nicely.

    India's only chance is if the pitches are tired and take a bit of turn.
    Swinging and seaming conditions should also help India. As we reach deep in to summer, pitches should turn.


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