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    And so ends the African participation in the 2018 FIFA World Cup.....

    Sad to see that no team from Africa could make it to the 16s.

    Unlucky or simply not good enough to take on the best teams of the world?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdullah719 View Post



    http://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-worl...nce-since-1982

    If Senegal fail to hold off Colombia in their last group game on Thursday and are knocked out of the World Cup in Russia, all five African representatives will have been eliminated in the worst return for the continent since the 1982 finals in Spain.

    Egypt, Morocco, Nigeria and Tunisia are already eliminated, and if Senegal lose to Colombia in Samara in Group H, and Japan avoid defeat against Poland at the same time, Africa's interest in Russia will come to an abrupt end.

    In every tournament since the 1986 finals in Mexico, at least one African country has made it through to the knockout stages - even when there were only three African teams in the field.

    Africa's allocation was increased to five places when the World Cup was expanded to 32 teams in France in 1998, and when South Africa hosted the 2010 finals there were six sides.

    Ghana, riding a wave of popular support, got within a whisker of a semi-final place at that tournament, but the others all bombed out early.

    Algeria and Nigeria advanced in Brazil four years ago, but the latest batch of African sides have produced a poorer return.

    Morocco drew some positive reviews but picked up only one point, while Nigeria lost out late in a drama-filled match against Argentina on Tuesday.

    Egypt and Tunisia, however, were out of contention after just two games.

    Senegal, who have four points from their first two games, can save the situation. But even if they progress, the latest batch of performances will further mute calls for greater representation at future tournaments.

    With 54 member countries, Africa has only one less nation than UEFA, European football's governing body, but Europe has the lion's share of teams at the World Cup - 14, including host Russia.

    The expanded 48-team World Cup set to be held in North America in eight years' time will see Africa getting nine places, still far fewer than Europe's 16 slots.

    African countries used to point to the imbalance as unfair, but this argument has been quietly abandoned as results have failed to back calls for increased representation. The continent's performance in Russia so far looks unlikely to change that situation.


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    they are talented but 1) they dont always play like a team first and instead play selfish sometimes and 2) lack concentration which result in making simple mistakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Sad to see that no team from Africa could make it to the 16s.

    Unlucky or simply not good enough to take on the best teams of the world?
    The Arab teams are always lightweights: they get past Cameroon and Ghana and Ivory Coast in qualifying because they are better organised with flights and hotels.

    Then they get to the World Cup and turn out to be lightweight nobodies.

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    I feel sorry for them but they were the better team for large portions of this match against Colombia and still lost which isn't good

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    They just can't deal with pressure . Also decisions seem to go against them.

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    Senegal and Nigeria were good in this World Cup.But unfortunately not good enough.

    Pele said that by 2000 we’d see an African team in the World Cup final.But that has not come to pass.

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    I had high hopes for Senegal in this tournament, but they seemed to lack the desire to attack. The rest of the African teams in this tournament weren't really up to much.

    Ivory Coast seem to be rebuilding after a golden generation of players, but it's sad really that Africa seems to be producing some very good players but not so good teams at the moment.



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    Didier Drogba: African football suffers worst World Cup showing in 36 years

    African football has suffered a “big step back” after Senegal’s exit sealed the continent’s worst World Cup showing for 36 years, says Didier Drogba.

    Senegal became the first team in World Cup history to go out on the fair play rule after losing to Colombia.

    Egypt, Morocco, Nigeria and Tunisia had already fallen at the group stage.

    “Africa is going to be successful one day but we need to think again how we approach these big competitions,” said former Ivory Coast striker Drogba.

    No team from Africa has advanced beyond the quarter-finals at a World Cup.

    However, since 1982 – when Algeria and Cameroon went out at the group stage – at least one country from the continent has made it to the knockout stage. Until now.

    In Russia, African teams have managed just two wins and lost 10 in 14 attempts with Tunisia, who cannot progress, still to play one more match against Panama later on Thursday (19:00 BST).

    “It’s a big step back,” added Drogba, who scored 65 times in 104 appearances for Ivory Coast, on Match of the Day.

    “I also think it is a chance for all the African teams and for the African Confederation maybe to reconsider the strategy and how we want to go forward.

    “What do we want to do in the next World Cup? We have the potential, we have the money to develop, but we need more than that.

    “We need to have the consistency and the structure of the European teams and the South American teams.

    “We are going to be successful one day but we need to think again how we approach these big competitions.”

    Egypt lost all three Group A games in Russia, while Morocco managed just one point – against Spain – in Group B. Tunisia lost their opening two Group G matches and, although Nigeria beat Iceland, they have also exited the tournament after finishing third in Group D.

    Senegal, making their first appearance at the World Cup since reaching the quarter-finalists in 2002, had taken four points from their first two Group H games after beating Poland and drawing with Japan.

    The Teranga Lions would have progressed with a draw against Colombia, and defender Kalidou Koulibaly said on the eve of the match in Samara that the “whole of Africa” was behind Senegal.

    However, Yerry Mina’s second-half header sent Colombia through.

    ‘We didn’t deserve to qualify’

    “We have not qualified because we did not deserve to qualify,” said Senegal boss Aliou Cisse, the former Birmingham City and Portsmouth player.

    “Fair play points are one of the rules and these rules have been established in the tournament regulations. We have to respect that.

    “We would have preferred to be eliminated in another way but that’s the way it works and we knew that those were the regulations.

    “I’m just disappointed for my team, for this generation and for these players who fight every single day for our country.”

    https://www.today.ng/sport/football/...6-years-127327


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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    The Arab teams are always lightweights: they get past Cameroon and Ghana and Ivory Coast in qualifying because they are better organised with flights and hotels.

    Then they get to the World Cup and turn out to be lightweight nobodies.


    I would like to disagree here. Arab Africa (I say Mediterranean Africa - Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt are not Arab actually, but Muslim dominant, so is Nigeria, Senegal), produces the best skilled players from Africa, tactically sound as well, and their record in WC is also decent compared to black Africa. However, West & Central African peak is higher.

    Also, it's not that more Mediterranean teams are qualifying for better preparation. More or less, top African soccer nations in last 40 years are 4 from Mediterranean Africa; and about 6 from black Africa - Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Senegal, Nigeria, Ghana and one random pick time to time - Zaire, Zambia, Angola, Togo, Congo, South Africa ...... Only this year, there had been 3 from North Africa, normally qualification as well is dominated by west-central Africa.

    I have no fascination with Mediterranean Africa (if I put words for my real feeling for these wannabes from Mediterranean Africa, Mods'll chop my long hard work), but let's take a look at the records from 1974 -

    1974 (1) - Zaire lost 9-0 to Yugoslavia & all 3 games, but they did great to lose 0-3 to Brazil

    1978 (1) - Tunisia almost made it to next round from a Group of Poland & W Germany, ended 2nd with equal 3 points. They beat Mexico in South American World Cup and drew with W Germany!!!!!!. Missed the cut just for a 1-0 to that Polish side of mid 1970s & early 80s with Boniek, Lato, Zmuda, Deyna, Kasperczak ( #!@$* )

    1982 - Algeria was cheated by W Germany and their brothers Austria. They beat Germany 2-1, & Chili 3-2, but lost 2-0 to Austria, which gave both Europeans a better Goal Average. Last game W Germany & Austria and there was another cheating by FIFA - that game was 24 hours later and Germany-Austria played a well calculated 1-0 for Germans (only goal was scored in 10th minute, rest 80 were clown show), which eliminated Algeria despite 2 wins. Other African team Cameroon left from Group stage with 2 draws & 1 lose.

    1986 - Morocco made it to 2nd round as Group champs from a Group having ENG, Portugal & Poland. Then they played soccer and Germans played a game between soccer & rugby - eventually Germans won from an 88 minute free kick.Other African side was Algeria, and they fought equally with that Brazil & N Ireland, finally lost to Spain by big margin trying to win the game, which would have taken them to next round

    1990 - It was indeed Cameroon's WC. But, Egypt fought equally impressive and missed the cut from a group of ENG, Holland, Ireland with 2 draws and a 0-1 against ENG. That group had 3 teams of 1988 EURO, when only 7 teams qualified for EURO.

    1994 - Nigeria went to 2nd round as Group champs, while Morocco & Cameroon finished 4th - but 2 teams were from black Africa

    1998 - Nigeria again made it as group champs, Morocco missed the cut by a whisker with 1 win & 1 draw; South Africa distant 3rd while Tunisia, Cameroon last.

    2002 - Only Senegal made it to next round; other 4 (Nigeria, Tunisia, South Africa & Cameroon) finished last. It's 4-1 for black Africa in qualifier.

    2006 - Ghana made 2nd round; Togo, Ivory Coast, Tunisia & Angola missed the cut. Tunisia as 3rd, rest last. Again 4-1.

    2010 - Host SAF failed to make 2nd round (But finished a head of France), Nigeria, Algeria, Cameroon 4th - only Ghana made the cut.

    2014 - Algeria & Nigeria made the cut, Ghana & Cameroon finished last while Ivory Coast 3rd from a relatively easy group.

    This year also, the best African side some how managed to miss qualifier - take a look at the Algerian team - Mahrez, Bentaleb, Brahimi, Silmani, Ghoulam, Feghouli, Ghezzal, Belfodil, Bennaccer - somehow this team missed the cut, while the most impressive African side had been Morocco. However, you have missed one key point - Mediterranean Africa is at least 25 years ahead of Central Africa for sports culture & establishments, because of the proximity to Europe (Other reason is skin color, which let's keep a side), hence they had a head start in qualification and till 1980s, Mediterranean African teams qualified more simply because they had better system, players and organization - even Egypt went to WC in 1930s to Uruguay & Italy, when most of Black Africa was still almost slaves!!!!!!. In recent times, it has changed completely and that flights & hotels are absolutely not a factor at all.

    Potential of African soccer is unreal - despite so much talent drain to Europe (but no complaints, European academies are developing talented African kids, not that they are snatching ready made players), overall soccer level in Africa is far better than Asia. What they need is professional European/Latin coaches to shape up their defensive side of the game, and better discipline. Most of their players play in Europe, therefore a top level pro for National team can shape them up quite easily.

    This year, despite referring bias and fair play demerits, Senegal missed the cut because they couldn't close the game and their Manager guy is absolute useless. Allowed, Japan to claw back twice despite being dominant side, when any average Euro or Latin side would have made it 3-1 or 4-1, because Japan was pressing desperately, with inferior skill, stamina, physicality & speed. Similarly, they were better team today, and needed just a draw - conceded from a set piece to a side vertically well challenged!!! For example, if this French guy Herve Renard is given 4 years free run with this Morocco or Senegal side, in Qatar's desert, they'll make many many soccer elites cry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I would like to disagree here. Arab Africa (I say Mediterranean Africa - Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt are not Arab actually, but Muslim dominant, so is Nigeria, Senegal), produces the best skilled players from Africa, tactically sound as well, and their record in WC is also decent compared to black Africa. However, West & Central African peak is higher.

    Also, it's not that more Mediterranean teams are qualifying for better preparation. More or less, top African soccer nations in last 40 years are 4 from Mediterranean Africa; and about 6 from black Africa - Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Senegal, Nigeria, Ghana and one random pick time to time - Zaire, Zambia, Angola, Togo, Congo, South Africa ...... Only this year, there had been 3 from North Africa, normally qualification as well is dominated by west-central Africa.

    I have no fascination with Mediterranean Africa (if I put words for my real feeling for these wannabes from Mediterranean Africa, Mods'll chop my long hard work), but let's take a look at the records from 1974 -

    1974 (1) - Zaire lost 9-0 to Yugoslavia & all 3 games, but they did great to lose 0-3 to Brazil

    1978 (1) - Tunisia almost made it to next round from a Group of Poland & W Germany, ended 2nd with equal 3 points. They beat Mexico in South American World Cup and drew with W Germany!!!!!!. Missed the cut just for a 1-0 to that Polish side of mid 1970s & early 80s with Boniek, Lato, Zmuda, Deyna, Kasperczak ( #!@$* )

    1982 - Algeria was cheated by W Germany and their brothers Austria. They beat Germany 2-1, & Chili 3-2, but lost 2-0 to Austria, which gave both Europeans a better Goal Average. Last game W Germany & Austria and there was another cheating by FIFA - that game was 24 hours later and Germany-Austria played a well calculated 1-0 for Germans (only goal was scored in 10th minute, rest 80 were clown show), which eliminated Algeria despite 2 wins. Other African team Cameroon left from Group stage with 2 draws & 1 lose.

    1986 - Morocco made it to 2nd round as Group champs from a Group having ENG, Portugal & Poland. Then they played soccer and Germans played a game between soccer & rugby - eventually Germans won from an 88 minute free kick.Other African side was Algeria, and they fought equally with that Brazil & N Ireland, finally lost to Spain by big margin trying to win the game, which would have taken them to next round

    1990 - It was indeed Cameroon's WC. But, Egypt fought equally impressive and missed the cut from a group of ENG, Holland, Ireland with 2 draws and a 0-1 against ENG. That group had 3 teams of 1988 EURO, when only 7 teams qualified for EURO.

    1994 - Nigeria went to 2nd round as Group champs, while Morocco & Cameroon finished 4th - but 2 teams were from black Africa

    1998 - Nigeria again made it as group champs, Morocco missed the cut by a whisker with 1 win & 1 draw; South Africa distant 3rd while Tunisia, Cameroon last.

    2002 - Only Senegal made it to next round; other 4 (Nigeria, Tunisia, South Africa & Cameroon) finished last. It's 4-1 for black Africa in qualifier.

    2006 - Ghana made 2nd round; Togo, Ivory Coast, Tunisia & Angola missed the cut. Tunisia as 3rd, rest last. Again 4-1.

    2010 - Host SAF failed to make 2nd round (But finished a head of France), Nigeria, Algeria, Cameroon 4th - only Ghana made the cut.

    2014 - Algeria & Nigeria made the cut, Ghana & Cameroon finished last while Ivory Coast 3rd from a relatively easy group.

    This year also, the best African side some how managed to miss qualifier - take a look at the Algerian team - Mahrez, Bentaleb, Brahimi, Silmani, Ghoulam, Feghouli, Ghezzal, Belfodil, Bennaccer - somehow this team missed the cut, while the most impressive African side had been Morocco. However, you have missed one key point - Mediterranean Africa is at least 25 years ahead of Central Africa for sports culture & establishments, because of the proximity to Europe (Other reason is skin color, which let's keep a side), hence they had a head start in qualification and till 1980s, Mediterranean African teams qualified more simply because they had better system, players and organization - even Egypt went to WC in 1930s to Uruguay & Italy, when most of Black Africa was still almost slaves!!!!!!. In recent times, it has changed completely and that flights & hotels are absolutely not a factor at all.

    Potential of African soccer is unreal - despite so much talent drain to Europe (but no complaints, European academies are developing talented African kids, not that they are snatching ready made players), overall soccer level in Africa is far better than Asia. What they need is professional European/Latin coaches to shape up their defensive side of the game, and better discipline. Most of their players play in Europe, therefore a top level pro for National team can shape them up quite easily.

    This year, despite referring bias and fair play demerits, Senegal missed the cut because they couldn't close the game and their Manager guy is absolute useless. Allowed, Japan to claw back twice despite being dominant side, when any average Euro or Latin side would have made it 3-1 or 4-1, because Japan was pressing desperately, with inferior skill, stamina, physicality & speed. Similarly, they were better team today, and needed just a draw - conceded from a set piece to a side vertically well challenged!!! For example, if this French guy Herve Renard is given 4 years free run with this Morocco or Senegal side, in Qatar's desert, they'll make many many soccer elites cry.
    Also i must say it is nice to see Senegal have a local black coach. Too often i have felt that a European coach doesn't connect well with the players of these teams. no doubt there is a lot of talent in West Africa particularly and they are immensely passionate about football. was a shame they didn't go through.

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    With all due respect, no.

    In 1978 Tunisia had a genius running midfield - Tarak Dhiab.

    In 1982 Algeria had the greatest ever African playmaker - Lakhdar Belloumi - and the greatest ever African winger - Rabah Madjer. And Chile were rubbish.

    In 1986 Morocco were in a group with a faded Poland and a Portugal missing its best two players from Euro’84 - the striker Jordao and the winger Chalana.

    The only other decent North Africans were Algeria in 2014: the usual toothless lightweights but in an easy group.

    Consider what happens in qualification.

    Almost all the Notth African players play in the domestic league and fly out early to away matches where they stay in the best hotel in Gabon or Mozambique.

    The black African players fly back on Sunday to their capital city, then on Monday board a terrifying little plane to Libreville or Maputo, where they find their federation bigwigs staying in the five star hotel while they stay in a two star property with no security or sanitation. And the match is already on Tuesday afternoon.

    That’s why the North Africans knock them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    @MMHS

    With all due respect, no.

    In 1978 Tunisia had a genius running midfield - Tarak Dhiab.

    In 1982 Algeria had the greatest ever African playmaker - Lakhdar Belloumi - and the greatest ever African winger - Rabah Madjer. And Chile were rubbish.

    In 1986 Morocco were in a group with a faded Poland and a Portugal missing its best two players from Euro’84 - the striker Jordao and the winger Chalana.

    The only other decent North Africans were Algeria in 2014: the usual toothless lightweights but in an easy group.

    Consider what happens in qualification.

    Almost all the Notth African players play in the domestic league and fly out early to away matches where they stay in the best hotel in Gabon or Mozambique.

    The black African players fly back on Sunday to their capital city, then on Monday board a terrifying little plane to Libreville or Maputo, where they find their federation bigwigs staying in the five star hotel while they stay in a two star property with no security or sanitation. And the match is already on Tuesday afternoon.

    That’s why the North Africans knock them out.

    This time I have to say absolute rubbish logic - the team that Morocco took to WC, only had 2 players from their domestic league - their No. 9 & their 3rd GK. Rest are all from European league, while the last game Mozambique played, had 7/8 European based players in the Squad, Gabon had few more -

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocc..._football_team
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabon_..._football_team
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozamb..._football_team


    Excluding 3 GKs, Egypt had 13 out of 20 WC squad members coming from European Leagues, Middle-eastern leagues, even from MLS
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt_..._football_team


    Tunisia had 17 out of 23 WC squad playing away leagues ........
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunisi..._football_team

    The logic you gave (Hotels & flights), actually worked against the best African team - Algeria, whose even most of reserve squad is Europe based.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeri..._football_team


    Tareq, Belloumi, Madjer, Zaki Badou (I am sure you know that GK), Timoumi Mohammad .... these were world class talent, and it's not North Africa's fault that they were born there - without hotels & flights, still they would have taken their team to WC. Poland qualified as Group topper in EURO qualifying zone 1, while Portugal, without those 2 players beat West Germany in a WC qualifier in Germany - their only home loss in a WC qualifier in their history - those teams were not that rubbish to be honest.

    If you look at African Cup of Nations record, I actually can relate exactly what you are saying. Apart from Egypt (7 times), Tunisia, Algeria & Morocco has won only once each - while black Africa has won most times -

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa_Cup_of_Nations

    The reason can be perfectly explained - ACN is played in January, mid of European season - among African teams, Egypt had the best league and many of their top players actually play at home - they could send a team that's better prepared, while almost entire Algerian, Tunisian & Morocco squad used to come from north of Mediterranean - that's even in 1950s & 1960s, and their entire focus was to avoid injury and quickly return back.

    The last part is a bit emotional touchy, but at the start of WC, Tunisia, Egypt & Morocco had FIFA ranking of 21, 29 & 35 (Top 3 from Africa in global ranking) ..... Gabon 85 & Mozambique 114 - probably your picks for example wasn't that cleaver. One Eusebio from Mozambique 52 years back and one Piere Aubamyang can't pull their team that much. I guess, apart from Flights & Hotels, there are few more more reason higher in the laundry list for North Africans knocking them out.

    If you still not convinced, I can bring the CAF zone qualifier games - one by one from whenever you wish as starting point - these days internet can do miracles, and I can definitely prove that beyond Hotels & Flights, North Africa has few other factors as well, to qualify for WC, and their performance wasn't that rubbish there either. Obviously, most of African players play in Southern Europe, Baltic & Balkan states - air miles for North Africans will be much lesser than Southern or Western Africa, that I can give you - Mo flies from John Lenon to Ciaro directly, may be in 6 hours; Mane flies from John Lenon to Heathrew to Lagos or Casablanca to Dakar, may be in 18 hours; this can't be discounted.

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    They don't have what it takes. African sides are good going forward but incredibly good going forward but vulnerable at the back. Pele fancied some African side to win the WC before 2000 I believe. Shows how much he knows.
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