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  1. #1
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    Is Shoaib Malik the Greatest Of All Time in T20Is?

    He is the first to play 100 T20's, in this format is he the G.O.A.T ?

    Sachin Tendulkar is often regarded as one of the all time greats for having played 200 Tests, with his longevity being one of the major attributes of his prowess.

    Malik's stats are also very impressive, a batting average of 31.55 @ an S/R of 122.52 and bowling average of 22.57 from 100+ games are excellent numbers.

    Malik is also a World T20 Champion being a member of the 2009 winning squad, in scenes which are now etched in the memory of every Pakistan fan he was seen running towards Shahid Afridi with an expression of ecstasy as the winning runs had been claimed to bring the trophy home.



    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Malik is also one of the all time greatest leading run scorers in T20I's with 2051 runs


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    I'd definitely say he is a T20 GOAT.

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    Lol nah.


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    Almost. Needs to have a good WT20.

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    What?


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    Quote Originally Posted by aliasad1998 View Post
    What?
    The GOAT

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    I'd definitely put him among the very best in this format tbh, quality T20 player.

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    How many Man of the Matches for him? This is not to throw shade on him I geniunely want to know how many games he won

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    Not even close.

    Most of his performances have come against weaker teams.

    Heck, he only has 7 T20I 50s and 0 T20I 100s. That's nothing to write on about.
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    7 T20I 50's

    2 against SL
    1 against UAE
    1 against Scotland



    30 @ 117 is really average, his average is brought up by not outs.
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    These are the kinds of threads that keep bringing me back to this forum.

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    Not even in top 10.

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    Shoaib has singlehandedly revived Pakistan’s LOI fortunes let alone t20 fortunes the moment he made a comeback in the wretched post WC 2015 era under scared Misbah. In 3 years time under his guidance we have seen glory in the form of champions trophy, not to mention he has groomed younger players like Hasan Ali, Fakhar Zaman, Babar Azam and before his retirement in tests, Asad Shafiq.

    It irks me to think what irreverisible damage he would’ve done to India in 2011 WC semi if Afridi had looked out for his brother Shoaib, the same one he is embracing and caressing in the t20 final pic.

    He’s a lone warrior, and I hope we see a smiling Shoaib play a supporting or even protagonist role in our march to the next t20 WC - his last before retiring.

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    What? 😂😂
    Poor man's yuvraj singh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by waleed88 View Post
    How many Man of the Matches for him? This is not to throw shade on him I geniunely want to know how many games he won
    T20I
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    Last edited by Arham_PakFan; 5th July 2018 at 07:21.

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    Good T20 player but not even close to GOAT in this format.

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    Yes he is.
    Similar to how Amir is next Wasim.
    Delusion of some posters here


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    Don’t think we can put him in the league of players like Gayle, ABD etc. But he’s a very underrated batsman. He’s a level above the likes of Hafeez and has that extra gear.

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    He’s not even the best from Pakistan.

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    Good T20I batsman but GOAT is pushing it.

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    He is definitely a Hall of Famer All-rounder in t20Is.

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    Ummmm no.

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    No. He has done well despite of his limitations but he cannot score against quality fast bowlers. Though good thing about him is that he does not play selfishly as most of our seniors do.

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    He is not the greatest of all time...only because he play 100 games to get the 2000 runs mark, while guys like guptill and mccullum played alot less and reached that mark. So no he is not the greatest of all time, but he is a great t20 player for sure no one will argue that.

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    lol funny...he is not even a great...forget about being ATG

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    Malik has also been a lucky mascot for Pak in some very key games, his experience has often proved very useful


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    In the Arthur era Malik has become a very good LOI bat, he developed in his 30s, whereas others in better setups do in their 20s. Even if it’s later in his career - great to see him bat like this...

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    Not sure about T20is, but definitely one of the best t20 players. His performances uptill 2014 were very ordianary. Average of around 22 with strike rate of 113 something. He has turned it around in T20is ever since. But he has always been a force in domestic t20 leagues, and definitely worth a shout for no 5 spot esp in Asia.

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    Kohli is T20I GOAT.


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    Highest rank is 6 in T-20. Here is his entire career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Q View Post
    Don’t think we can put him in the league of players like Gayle, ABD etc. But he’s a very underrated batsman. He’s a level above the likes of Hafeez and has that extra gear.
    I don't think that ABD has done much in T-20.


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    He is good brain to have in 20 20 , useful player , but no way GOAT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    I don't think that ABD has done much in T-20.
    I haven’t checked his stats in internationals. But when you think about the GOATs in T20, his name comes to mind first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Highest rank is 6 in T-20. Here is his entire career.
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    All of a sudden rankings become the proper metrics to judge a T20 player

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    One of the best players in the world in the lower middle order in LOIs. He's taken Pakistan home after being in a troublesome scenario time and time again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmedwaqas92 View Post
    All of a sudden rankings become the proper metrics to judge a T20 player
    You can give any weight to ranking or simply ignore it. It's up to you.

    What do you mean by all of sudden? As far as I am concerned, ranking at any point may not be accurate, but if a team of player can be ranked high consistently then they are performing well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Q View Post
    I haven’t checked his stats in internationals. But when you think about the GOATs in T20, his name comes to mind first.
    AB averages 26 in T20 international.


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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous_guy View Post
    T20I
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    ODIs
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    For the amount of time he has played, I am actually quite surprised he has played only 260 odd ODI matches. I thought he would be nearing 500 by now, as he has been around since late 90s if I am not wrong. For a Pakistani cricketer to play this long is a massive accomplishment and he has won Pakistam quite a number of games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    He is the first to play 100 T20's, in this format is he the G.O.A.T ?

    Sachin Tendulkar is often regarded as one of the all time greats for having played 200 Tests, with his longevity being one of the major attributes of his prowess.

    Malik's stats are also very impressive, a batting average of 31.55 @ an S/R of 122.52 and bowling average of 22.57 from 100+ games are excellent numbers.

    Malik is also a World T20 Champion being a member of the 2009 winning squad, in scenes which are now etched in the memory of every Pakistan fan he was seen running towards Shahid Afridi with an expression of ecstasy as the winning runs had been claimed to bring the trophy home.
    Oh he's a Goat alright. Goat as in he bats like a goat as soon as the ball starts swinging or seaming and if the opposition is of high caliber. Absolute bottler when it comes to playing with the big boys, and should honestly not be in Pakistan's plans for the world cup next year.
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    I think you’re forgetting that Malik had a pretty egregious record before 2015. Average in the early 20s and a SR around 113-115. Since his return he has been nothing short of remarkable though and if he keeps playing like this till his retirement he will at least cement himself as a Pakistani limited-overs great

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    Great player, but not a goat. Although, his future son can become a GOAT. Courtesy, mixed Indian genes D

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    Not sure if he’s the GOAT or not but he certainly is an ATG of the format.

    Lacks impact like a Gayle or AB to be considered GOAT but has consistent performance so definitely an ATG in this format.

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    no

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    The ones who think he isnt great at all and hasnt scored a century need to realize he bats in the middle order 2 down or below, you dont see maby cebturies there.

    Most of the T20 centuries are from openers, does that mean they all are all time greats. Nah don think so.

    The number of T20 teams malik has played for all around the world itself depicts his class in the format.

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    Also it would be great if any one can post the best middle order T20 international batsmen average wise and SR wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titan24 View Post
    Also it would be great if any one can post the best middle order T20 international batsmen average wise and SR wise.
    Virat Kohli

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    Shoaib Malik has a similar average to Rohit Sharma in T20Is

    Wait, what?

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    A decent T20 player, nothing more. Not even close to being one of the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CadPakFan View Post
    Virat Kohli
    Yes he must be on top but would have liked to see how other middle order batsmen perform

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Shoaib Malik has a similar average to Rohit Sharma in T20Is

    Wait, what?
    But a strike rate of 122 compared to rohit's 137.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anoop View Post
    But a strike rate of 122 compared to rohit's 137.
    Middle-order requires consolidation, so that's understandable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Middle-order requires consolidation, so that's understandable
    No, thats the job for 3rd and 4th batsman he bats at 5 and many times has remained not out. This means many times he bats between 15-20 overs and there we need a destructive batsman.

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    Shoaib has been a wonderful servant for Pakistani cricket and is an ATG especially in T20 cricket. But I would take a peak-Yuvraj over him who I consider the real T20 GOAT, especially in Internationals. More than useful spinner in shorter formats as well.

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    Malik has benefitted as much from Pakistan playing rubbish opposition as hafeez did when he was re-establishing his career.
    Malik’s peak as t20 player was in the inaugural t20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anoop View Post
    No, thats the job for 3rd and 4th batsman he bats at 5 and many times has remained not out. This means many times he bats between 15-20 overs and there we need a destructive batsman.
    Losing early wickets means Malik has had to consolidate a bit more than he would like. No big fan of Malik, but he is one of the best in T20s without a doubt

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    Seems like these days anyone can be ATG

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    Definitely not a GOAT, but is won one of the best. He's one of the top T20 commodities in the World.
    Comparing him with others who too scored 2000 runs in fewer matches is unfair as the rest of are either openers or no.3 batsmen.
    He's won the most matches for Pakistan in this format, most of them coming in the last few years. Currently, without him Pakistan would've faced losses against minnow teams like Scotland and UAE, forget about winning against teams like Australia and the World XI. Except for the 2 T20's, Pakistani batsmen have massively failed to deliver in this format without him, since 2015, many times on the verge of loosing to an associate team.

    Currently Pakistan has only two batsmen who can actually bat in pressure situations LOI's that is Fakhar and Malik, sadly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anoop View Post
    But a strike rate of 122 compared to rohit's 137.
    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Middle-order requires consolidation, so that's understandable
    Dhoni is not great in T-20 format despite averaging 37. Main reason is that he bats too slow with SR of 127.

    Malik is pretty good against spin and I wish his positions was not switched in ODI. If I recall it right, he played better in certain positions when he started, but it went downhill after his position was changed. I may be mixing it up with some other Pakistani player though and you can correct me here.


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    I would give it to Yuvraj probably or McCullum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Dhoni is not great in T-20 format despite averaging 37. Main reason is that he bats too slow with SR of 127.

    Malik is pretty good against spin and I wish his positions was not switched in ODI. If I recall it right, he played better in certain positions when he started, but it went downhill after his position was changed. I may be mixing it up with some other Pakistani player though and you can correct me here.
    Yeah, Malik had decent success at number 3 under Inzi. Then YK came and messed up the whole balance. Malik has never been the same batsman since then, although his struggles overseas were prevalent even then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usman Chadda View Post
    Yeah, Malik had decent success at number 3 under Inzi. Then YK came and messed up the whole balance. Malik has never been the same batsman since then, although his struggles overseas were prevalent even then
    Yah, now I remember. Inzzi changing his position. He was not gun in overseas conditions, but players can improve if they feel confident in certain positions. I think his career would have been better if he was left at his original position. Despite his weakness, I recall him being a good runner and one of the better players in Pakistan to rotate strike. Anyway, his career is done now.


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    Top 5 T20 batsmen IMO:-

    Chris Gayle
    Virat Kohli
    Yuvraj Singh
    Brendon Mccullum
    AB de Villiers/Suresh Raina

    Many all-rounders are there as well like Shane Watson, Shahid Afridi, Andre Russell, Dwayne Bravo but the list is of batsmen here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Top 5 T20 batsmen IMO:-

    Chris Gayle
    Virat Kohli
    Yuvraj Singh
    Brendon Mccullum
    AB de Villiers/Suresh Raina
    Why not Finch?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    Why not Finch?
    Probably lacks a hype machine which is what T20 cricket is all about IMO.

    Strictly IMO.

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    Warner is there as well alongwith Rohit and Guptill.

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    Maybe. I might be nitpicking here, but how is his history in dealing with genuine pace bowlers when he comes in early after his side (Pak or any t20 league team) is like 15 or 20 for 3? He is great against the spinners but from what I've seen when facing pace bowlers early on, he looks a little vulnerable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    Probably lacks a hype machine which is what T20 cricket is all about IMO.

    Strictly IMO.
    Finch has better performance than pretty much all batsmen in T-20 format so far. Even without hype, he should appear in the top 5.


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