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    Poor World Cup for Neymar - Is he overrated?

    American commentator just called him the Big 3 with Ronaldo and Messi!?!!

    He played well in the 2nd half today but was diving and flopping the whole game today as usual.

    He benefits in club football with teammates like Cavani and Mbappe. Also weak opposition.

    Too many flashy tricks and dribbling skills and when you watch Brazil play, the ball never reaches the right wing which shows a bit of selfishness.

    I think he is a Top 10 player in world football but he is overrated because he is Brazilian.

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    He did not look 100% fit throughout the tournament.

    He relies on pace and that was missing during the World Cup.

    He tried to do too much himself and wasn't really a team player.

    His diving was extremely poor - great players shouldn't need to do that.



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    He provided an open goal assist to equalise but was wasted.

    If he was over rated the oppsotion players wouldn't surround him in numbers when they dont to anyone else.

    He will be back for another 2 world cups.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    He did not look 100% fit throughout the tournament.

    He relies on pace and that was missing during the World Cup.

    He tried to do too much himself and wasn't really a team player.

    His diving was extremely poor - great players shouldn't need to do that.
    He's an excellent seller and should trial for the WWE one day due to his exceptional ability to cheat

    He was lacking a lot more heart then pace

    Yes he was very selfish and his antics cost his team big

    He isn't a great player but unfortunately all his tricks have backfired on Brazil


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    He's an excellent seller and should trial for the WWE one day due to his exceptional ability to cheat

    He was lacking a lot more heart then pace

    Yes he was very selfish and his antics cost his team big

    He isn't a great player but unfortunately all his tricks have backfired on Brazil
    WWE isn't a sport, it's scripted and silly.

    Neymar is a great player who provided enough chances for Brazil to equalise today but his team mates let him down.


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    Someday he'll grow up and be embarrassed by all the play-acting. And lose the streak of selfishness. And have more respect for the opposition, all of which will make him a far better player.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    WWE isn't a sport, it's scripted and silly.

    Neymar is a great player who provided enough chances for Brazil to equalise today but his team mates let him down.
    Neymar would fit right in; all the scripted / silly antics required to sell injuries would help Neymar be ranked with the all time greats like Shawn Michaels

    Great players do not need to sell injuries and attempt moves you see WWE wrestlers perform from the top rope, he is levels below CR7 and Messi, just about makes a top 10 list but wouldn't argue with you if he was ranked outside that after this chicken hearted showing in the World Cup. An absolute disgrace, 2 goals from 10000 shots is what he achieved beyond trying to catch WWE's attention.
    Last edited by shaz619; 6th July 2018 at 21:03.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Neymar would fit right in; all the scripted / silly antics required to sell injuries would help Neymar be ranked with the all time greats like Shawn Michaels

    Great players do not need to sell injuries and attempt moves you see WWE wrestlers perform from the top rope, he is levels below CR7 and Messi, just about makes a top 10 list but wouldn't argue with you if he was ranked outside that after this chicken hearted showing in the World Cup. An absolute disgrace.
    He broke a vertebra in his spine in the last world cup, the opposition player was ashamed and embarrased. If the Hitman heart was to have such an injury he wouldnt return even to the silly theatre he makes his corn from.

    When a boxer is hurt badly, he's never the same. Neymar went through some serious serious pain and since his return he's kicked and fouled deliberatly. Only in the last 16 he was stamped on. When you go through it makes you afraid, he's human. Yes he dives sometimes but so does every player esp those who play up front.

    Most people know nothing of Neymar but are quick to hate on him, probably because their team has never had a player as talented and never will.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    He broke a vertebra in his spine in the last world cup, the opposition player was ashamed and embarrased. If the Hitman heart was to have such an injury he wouldnt return even to the silly theatre he makes his corn from.

    When a boxer is hurt badly, he's never the same. Neymar went through some serious serious pain and since his return he's kicked and fouled deliberatly. Only in the last 16 he was stamped on. When you go through it makes you afraid, he's human. Yes he dives sometimes but so does every player esp those who play up front.

    Most people know nothing of Neymar but are quick to hate on him, probably because their team has never had a player as talented and never will.
    Cry me a river, he's an absolute disgrace who has flopped on the grandest stage of them all yet you are still writing eulogies on a footballing disgrace who relies on WWE style moves to win at football? so much for his greatness, only delusional casual football fans and mostly teenage women worship him.


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    I wish he would just stop all of the playacting and diving. When he gets on the ball and takes the match situation seriously, it is instantly palpable that he is a very talented, effective and exciting footballer. He should stick to playing the game in a sporting manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    He broke a vertebra in his spine in the last world cup, the opposition player was ashamed and embarrased. If the Hitman heart was to have such an injury he wouldnt return even to the silly theatre he makes his corn from.

    When a boxer is hurt badly, he's never the same. Neymar went through some serious serious pain and since his return he's kicked and fouled deliberatly. Only in the last 16 he was stamped on. When you go through it makes you afraid, he's human. Yes he dives sometimes but so does every player esp those who play up front.

    Most people know nothing of Neymar but are quick to hate on him, probably because their team has never had a player as talented and never will.
    And Kurt Angle won an Olympic Gold medal with a Broken neck and has performed in that theatre with neck / back injures in addition to concussions, in fact Shawn returned to that theatre to after a career ending back injury and when they are performing their stunts anything can go wrong and they know that so it takes courage. To be honest, I think WWE is above Neymar as well; it's hard to find a heartless cheat who fakes injuries a job, but this bum is playing football for Brazil; it's an insult to Pele and R9 in addition to all their legends, he hops and jumps like it's a circus, so much for you getting the kleenex out for aesthetically pleasing football, all Neymar ever attempts is frog splashes and swantom bombs. For all his greatness you make far too many excuses for his flops and shady behaviour which is more shambolic then any international in football history.

    You seriously just compared Neymar getting hurt to a Boxer lmao you're just getting desperate, fighters get smashed to bits every day and they still step in the ring, it's only when they endure savage beatings or father time catches up that they are not who they use to be, how on earth is that even relevant to the stuff Neymar allegedly suffers ? You're going on like he has been in the ring with Irish Mickey Ward first off he's a weak mental midget who fakes injuries and assuming he is feeling pain, it is nothing quiet like what a fighter would have to endure and or even a pro wrestler, Neymar is just on big baby who behaves like a little girl to hide all his failures and mental weakness


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    And Kurt Angle won an Olympic Gold medal with a Broken neck and has performed in that theatre with neck / back injures in addition to concussions, in fact Shawn returned to that theatre to after a career ending back injury and when they are performing their stunts anything can go wrong and they know that so it takes courage. To be honest, I think WWE is above Neymar as well; it's hard to find a heartless cheat who fakes injuries a job, but this bum is playing football for Brazil; it's an insult to Pele and R9 in addition to all their legends, he hops and jumps like it's a circus, so much for you getting the kleenex out for aesthetically pleasing football, all Neymar ever attempts is frog splashes and swantom bombs. For all his greatness you make far too many excuses for his flops and shady behaviour which is more shambolic then any international in football history.

    You seriously just compared Neymar getting hurt to a Boxer lmao you're just getting desperate, fighters get smashed to bits every day and they still step in the ring, it's only when they endure savage beatings or father time catches up that they are not who they use to be, how on earth is that even relevant to the stuff Neymar allegedly suffers ? You're going on like he has been in the ring with Irish Mickey Ward first off he's a weak mental midget who fakes injuries and assuming he is feeling pain, it is nothing quiet like what a fighter would have to endure and or even a pro wrestler, Neymar is just on big baby who behaves like a little girl to hide all his failures and mental weakness
    Before Belgium he was fouled 24 times and on the floor for 14 mins. 36 seconds per foul. An actor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idrizzy View Post
    Before Belgium he was fouled 24 times and on the floor for 14 mins. 36 seconds per foul. An actor.
    I think Hollywood would be best suited for Neymar, he wont have to worry about the risks of stepping in a pro-wrestling ring and can just put in those award winning performances he constantly produces for Brazil with a safety net behind him


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    He is a great player and actually did okay in this World Cup.But his antics(diving,acting etc) were really embarrassing.

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    No he is not over rated. Do not know about American commentators but not many rate him anywhere near the level of Messi and CR7. He is young and might play two more world cups so all is not lost.

    It is unfortunate that diving has become a worldwide trend. Mbappe was doing that today as well. Neymar takes it to another level though. Refereeing in the last match was excellent.

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    I think he's a fabulous player. No surprise he was surrounded by the opposition every time he got the ball in this tournament, he had very little space to operate in as a result. Most teams know how much he can hurt him so they tend to double up on him as an insurance policy.


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    Hes an absolute disgrace, should quit and go to hollywood


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    Overrated? He is an all-time great already, and I back him to surpass Pele as Brazil’s greatest ever player. He dribbles like Ronaldinho and finishes like R9 on his day. A magical player who is second only to Messi in terms of talent, but he needs to improve his attitude which is holding him back a bit.

    He walks into every team in the world and will win multiple Ballon d’Ors.

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    Brilliant player but he needs to cut the antics out now. When he comcentrates on playing football he's unstoppable with his dribbling and his ability to beat defenders.

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    The same ones calling Neymar all sorts of names for diving will look the other way when Mbappe/Hazard/Kane does the same; they are just smart lads not being naive when they dive

    The Guardian typically does not have comments of the type of the DM, but the glee at Brazils exit and all the "Stinking South Americans" leaving is widespread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Overrated? He is an all-time great already, and I back him to surpass Pele as Brazil’s greatest ever player. He dribbles like Ronaldinho and finishes like R9 on his day. A magical player who is second only to Messi in terms of talent, but he needs to improve his attitude which is holding him back a bit.

    He walks into every team in the world and will win multiple Ballon d’Ors.
    Surely no Brazilian will surpass Fat Ronaldo, what a great player he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Overrated? He is an all-time great already, and I back him to surpass Pele as Brazil’s greatest ever player. He dribbles like Ronaldinho and finishes like R9 on his day. A magical player who is second only to Messi in terms of talent, but he needs to improve his attitude which is holding him back a bit.

    He walks into every team in the world and will win multiple Ballon d’Ors.
    He rolls over every 10 seconds.


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    he wasn't good first two games but since he was very good in this world cup... I'd say he played better than Messi & Ronaldo in this world cup..it's his acting that gives him negative points..


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    Brazil had lots of problem yesterday, Neymar was not one of them. He even gave an open goal to Cutino who missed a simple chance.

    Selection and unavailability of first 11 was at show yesterday. Casmaro was seriously missed, Frendino lost the match, he was so poor, keep loosing the ball in midfield and gave own goal on a corner with no contest, that changed the game....

    With Costa and Reberto Firmino Brazil was looking so much threatening, why Jesus was preferred over RF is beyond me, he should have started every game, a poor judgment by coach. Costa got so much pace, is one of the most threatening winger, his untimely injury hurts Brazil in major way so was Neymar’s own injury. Yesterday they were also undone by the size, looks like they did not plan on how to counter size 😑

    Other main concern is that Brazil has lost 4th straight knock out game to European team, in last 4 World Cup they have last every knock out game to European opponent, have not won a single one, most of them to different opposition. They have figured out how to play against Brazil. Despite being better side they are keep loosing to them, they have to change their strategy and game plan, it’s not working anymore ☹️☹️

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    Neymar is a top class talent N one of the worlds very best when playing football

    Its just sad hes spoilt it all this cup with his diving antics Someone close needs to have a serious word with him to cut all that out

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHorn View Post
    The same ones calling Neymar all sorts of names for diving will look the other way when Mbappe/Hazard/Kane does the same; they are just smart lads not being naive when they dive

    The Guardian typically does not have comments of the type of the DM, but the glee at Brazils exit and all the "Stinking South Americans" leaving is widespread
    To be fair most of the south american teams were at it more than others N not just diving but playing dirty, to name a few panama, brazil, uruguay, colombia

    Its no surprise people think they deserve they got now that they are out

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    The South American teams were generally quite poor in this tournament and all of them fully deserved to go out, with the possible exception of Brazil against Belgium, but even the Brazilians got caned for a good hour or so in that game before they came to life at last. And as @Zaz says, teams from the Americas have this time been utilising the dirtiest tactics by far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Overrated? He is an all-time great already, and I back him to surpass Pele as Brazil’s greatest ever player. He dribbles like Ronaldinho and finishes like R9 on his day. A magical player who is second only to Messi in terms of talent, but he needs to improve his attitude which is holding him back a bit.

    He walks into every team in the world and will win multiple Ballon d’Ors.
    Soo you accuse me of comparing Depay to Sanchez yet make up so much awfull stuff on football, now NEymar is more talented than c.Ronaldo he is not even half of fat ronaldo or ronaldinho.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    And Kurt Angle won an Olympic Gold medal with a Broken neck and has performed in that theatre with neck / back injures in addition to concussions, in fact Shawn returned to that theatre to after a career ending back injury and when they are performing their stunts anything can go wrong and they know that so it takes courage. To be honest, I think WWE is above Neymar as well; it's hard to find a heartless cheat who fakes injuries a job, but this bum is playing football for Brazil; it's an insult to Pele and R9 in addition to all their legends, he hops and jumps like it's a circus, so much for you getting the kleenex out for aesthetically pleasing football, all Neymar ever attempts is frog splashes and swantom bombs. For all his greatness you make far too many excuses for his flops and shady behaviour which is more shambolic then any international in football history.

    You seriously just compared Neymar getting hurt to a Boxer lmao you're just getting desperate, fighters get smashed to bits every day and they still step in the ring, it's only when they endure savage beatings or father time catches up that they are not who they use to be, how on earth is that even relevant to the stuff Neymar allegedly suffers ? You're going on like he has been in the ring with Irish Mickey Ward first off he's a weak mental midget who fakes injuries and assuming he is feeling pain, it is nothing quiet like what a fighter would have to endure and or even a pro wrestler, Neymar is just on big baby who behaves like a little girl to hide all his failures and mental weakness
    lol. I was explaining the mental side of being hurt in sport and then having those fears when you are hurt again, it happens in boxing, football, cricket and many other sports.

    WWE is watched by children, it's not a sport. You can act after injuries because you know script. Its not real so not worth discussing.

    You may think Neymar is a heatless cheat but he is more talented than any England player in history and the majority of people who understand football believe hes in the top 3 in the world. Hating on such rare sporting talents is cringeworthy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    The South American teams were generally quite poor in this tournament and all of them fully deserved to go out, with the possible exception of Brazil against Belgium, but even the Brazilians got caned for a good hour or so in that game before they came to life at last. And as @Zaz says, teams from the Americas have this time been utilising the dirtiest tactics by far.
    Argentina and Urugauy lost to France. Brazil lost to Belgium. Every other team would have likely lost to France and Belguim, its the luck of the draw.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Argentina and Urugauy lost to France. Brazil lost to Belgium. Every other team would have likely lost to France and Belguim, its the luck of the draw.
    Uruguay were decent, but Argentina were terrible.

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    I don't really have any sympathy for him due to his diving and other antics.

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    Neymar arrives home safely, well almost



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    This guy is cheating like no one's business. It was embarrassing to see him throwing himself looking for penalties.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    lol. I was explaining the mental side of being hurt in sport and then having those fears when you are hurt again, it happens in boxing, football, cricket and many other sports.

    WWE is watched by children, it's not a sport. You can act after injuries because you know script. Its not real so not worth discussing.

    You may think Neymar is a heatless cheat but he is more talented than any England player in history and the majority of people who understand football believe hes in the top 3 in the world. Hating on such rare sporting talents is cringeworthy.
    You directly compared Neymar being in pain to fighters getting smashed to pieces and an Olympic gold medalist and former UFC champions like Brock performing in the ring as pro wrestlers despite being concussed, it's scripted but you need to be mentally tough in order to compete given the risks. This is why the coward Neymar would make a better career in Hollywood, am just saying how it is; Neymar is a heartless cheat who has turned himself into a global clown and he only got himself for blame. Many people are born with talent but not everyone has a brain and heart, footballing experts would agree he has embarassed himself; you just saw a few dribbles and that made you over look all that diving he does 99% off the time when under a bit of pressure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    You directly compared Neymar being in pain to fighters getting smashed to pieces and an Olympic gold medalist and former UFC champions like Brock performing in the ring as pro wrestlers despite being concussed, it's scripted but you need to be mentally tough in order to compete given the risks. This is why the coward Neymar would make a better career in Hollywood, am just saying how it is; Neymar is a heartless cheat who has turned himself into a global clown and he only got himself for blame. Many people are born with talent but not everyone has a brain and heart, footballing experts would agree he has embarassed himself; you just saw a few dribbles and that made you over look all that diving he does 99% off the time when under a bit of pressure.
    You just seem bitter against one of the great talents in football. I will try to explain again in simple terms. Stuart Broad was hit with a bouncer, never the same batsmen again. Neymar is fouled deliberately in every match he plays which has resulted in may serious injuries even at a young age for him. He does fear getting hurt and it does hurt. People who have played football know this. Again he is better than any England player ever to kick a football in history. This is just a fact and doesn't mean you have to hate him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    You just seem bitter against one of the great talents in football. I will try to explain again in simple terms. Stuart Broad was hit with a bouncer, never the same batsmen again. Neymar is fouled deliberately in every match he plays which has resulted in may serious injuries even at a young age for him. He does fear getting hurt and it does hurt. People who have played football know this. Again he is better than any England player ever to kick a football in history. This is just a fact and doesn't mean you have to hate him.
    No need to say I hate him or bitter etc when you can't look at POV's beyond your ignorance, Neymar might look a bit arab but even then the way you are kissing his feet is weird. Am not sure what England (namak haram alert) have anything to do with judging Neymae but I agree he is better then Wellbeck. Footballing experts, pundits and genuine fans all agree that Neymar is an overly rated clown that has embarrased himself, he is no different to those who use PED's, for all his alleged greatness he still needs to cheat and has nothing to show at a WC despite playing in a very good team

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    No need to say I hate him or bitter etc when you can't look at POV's beyond your ignorance, Neymar might look a bit arab but even then the way you are kissing his feet is weird. Am not sure what England (namak haram alert) have anything to do with judging Neymae but I agree he is better then Wellbeck. Footballing experts, pundits and genuine fans all agree that Neymar is an overly rated clown that has embarrased himself, he is no different to those who use PED's, for all his alleged greatness he still needs to cheat and has nothing to show at a WC despite playing in a very good team
    Show me some quotes from expert pundits who say he is over rated? I recognise him as a great talent which he is, by you ranting and calling him a cheat doesn't change that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Show me some quotes from expert pundits who say he is over rated? I recognise him as a great talent which he is, by you ranting and calling him a cheat doesn't change that.
    You can look at him how you want to am not stopping you, am not denying he has talent but his poor performance and antics on the grandest stage of them all is something which every pundit agrees make him look like one big clown, just look at the response among the public in general he has turned himself into a meme and not the positive kind, if Pele and R9 were around now would they be inciting a similar reaction? I doubt it, because their football spoke for itself and they commanded respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    You can look at him how you want to am not stopping you, am not denying he has talent but his poor performance and antics on the grandest stage of them all is something which every pundit agrees make him look like one big clown, just look at the response among the public in general he has turned himself into a meme and not the positive kind, if Pele and R9 were around now would they be inciting a similar reaction? I doubt it, because their football spoke for itself and they commanded respect.
    I'm really interested in these pundits who you say think he is over rated? I've not come across any such quotes or articles where football writers, ex players have ever suggested he is over rated. His antics have been criticised but not his talent. So please show me?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I'm really interested in these pundits who you say think he is over rated? I've not come across any such quotes or articles where football writers, ex players have ever suggested he is over rated. His antics have been criticised but not his talent. So please show me?
    There are plenty of pundits who agree he has behaved like a clown and been poor at the WC, his talent hasn't been questioned but the fact that he doesn't command respect prove he is overly rated by those like yourself especially who put him on such a high pedestal when he got nothing to show for all his abillity on the grandest stage besides cheating and a few really nice fifa street moves I must admit

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    There are plenty of pundits who agree he has behaved like a clown and been poor at the WC, his talent hasn't been questioned but the fact that he doesn't command respect prove he is overly rated by those like yourself especially who put him on such a high pedestal when he got nothing to show for all his abillity on the grandest stage besides cheating and a few really nice fifa street moves I must admit
    You are repeating your views, which I am aware and you are enlightened to them. Im not disputing your right to view him as you wish, of course I dont agree.

    But.. You wrote

    "Footballing experts, pundits and genuine fans all agree that Neymar is an overly rated clown"

    Im interested in knowing the basis of this? Show me some quotes please, which you must have read?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    You are repeating your views, which I am aware and you are enlightened to them. Im not disputing your right to view him as you wish, of course I dont agree.

    But.. You wrote

    "Footballing experts, pundits and genuine fans all agree that Neymar is an overly rated clown"

    Im interested in knowing the basis of this? Show me some quotes please, which you must have read?
    Again you're repeatedly deflecting from the fact that Neymar has had a poor World Cup and are sugar coating his pathetic antics on the pitch, am interested to know the basis of him being on par with Pele and R9 despite cheating on a football pitch and more recently scoring just 2 goals in the tournament of all tournaments ? which pundit and expert agrees with your assertion that he is already up there with the greatest of all time given his 'unique abilities' despite his poor international showings ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    Again you're repeatedly deflecting from the fact that Neymar has had a poor World Cup and are sugar coating his pathetic antics on the pitch, am interested to know the basis of him being on par with Pele and R9 despite cheating on a football pitch and more recently scoring just 2 goals in the tournament of all tournaments ? which pundit and expert agrees with your assertion that he is already up there with the greatest of all time given his 'unique abilities' despite his poor international showings ?
    Brazil are out and they lost to a great Belgium team. I dont think he had a poor world cup, he scored goals , created plenty of chances. Thankfully I watch football without listening to jealous commies who hate on talented players without looking at the context.

    So there are no pundits you can quote?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Brazil are out and they lost to a great Belgium team. I dont think he had a poor world cup, he scored goals , created plenty of chances. Thankfully I watch football without listening to jealous commies who hate on talented players without looking at the context.

    So there are no pundits you can quote?
    You've only been focusing on the tiny positives which makes you the polar opposite of those jealous commies, that's what I thought; no evidence to back up this idea that Neymar is up there with legends from his country. Neymar failed when it mattered most and his antics overshadow anything good he did because in the end he cost his team in a very big way, if he was godly tell me why he begs the ref all the time through his hollywood acting ?


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    @KingKhanWC Not Neymars biggest fan, but this was my favourite performance of his during the World Cup:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyoy2_7FegI


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    You've only been focusing on the tiny positives which makes you the polar opposite of those jealous commies, that's what I thought; no evidence to back up this idea that Neymar is up there with legends from his country. Neymar failed when it mattered most and his antics overshadow anything good he did because in the end he cost his team in a very big way, if he was godly tell me why he begs the ref all the time through his hollywood acting ?
    I've already tried to explain his issues with injuries but I cant put it any more simple. You disagree fine, it doesnt bother me. I watched every single min of every Brazil game, he made great runs, showed great passing ability, scored goals, created chances. Even against Belgium with being 2-1 it was Neymar who provided a great open goal only for his team mate to fluff the easy chance. He is only 26 and has achieved more than 99% of 26 year olds in the world, inc me and you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I've already tried to explain his issues with injuries but I cant put it any more simple. You disagree fine, it doesnt bother me. I watched every single min of every Brazil game, he made great runs, showed great passing ability, scored goals, created chances. Even against Belgium with being 2-1 it was Neymar who provided a great open goal only for his team mate to fluff the easy chance. He is only 26 and has achieved more than 99% of 26 year olds in the world, inc me and you.
    You might be right but ultimately his poor showing in the KO game cost his country big time and he can't be defended for that and I don't buy anything you have to say with regards to Neymar and injuries that's all laughable. Whether he has achieved more or less as a 26 year old compared to me, you or other people is all subjective, we're not footballers and obviously in that field he is better then us and am sure we'd have done better then him in our own field or in other aspects of our lives. In the end football is just football, you have 22 people on a pitch that chase a ball for around 90 minutes like junglee and get paid millions for it.


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    @KingKhanWC Apologies for being confrontational recently, didn't mean any of the stuff directed at you which you may have taken as insults


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    You might be right but ultimately his poor showing in the KO game cost his country big time and he can't be defended for that and I don't buy anything you have to say with regards to Neymar and injuries that's all laughable. Whether he has achieved more or less as a 26 year old compared to me, you or other people is all subjective, we're not footballers and obviously in that field he is better then us and am sure we'd have done better then him in our own field or in other aspects of our lives. In the end football is just football, you have 22 people on a pitch that chase a ball for around 90 minutes like junglee and get paid millions for it.
    I dont think it was his fault Brazil were knocked out. If anything the ref was to blame for not giving a blatant penalty even with VAR. But they are out and yes the whole team needs to take some responsibility but he will be back in Qatar and because I love Arab nations, I will be there supporting him in the stadium.

    Im not sure what your field is so wont comment but football is so competitive worldwide. I dont big up Neymar because he is just a regular skillful Brazilian but because he is arguably one of the most skillful players to ever have played the great game. Banta aside as man who enjoys sport, Im a bit surprised you dont appreciate a great sporting talent. I dont know him as a person and I might not like him if I ever was to meet him or know but we cannot deny God given talent when we love any sport.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    @KingKhanWC Apologies for being confrontational recently, didn't mean any of the stuff directed at you which you may have taken as insults
    No problem bro. Same goes for me. If England win the World Cup, we will be on the same hype.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    I dont think it was his fault Brazil were knocked out. If anything the ref was to blame for not giving a blatant penalty even with VAR. But they are out and yes the whole team needs to take some responsibility but he will be back in Qatar and because I love Arab nations, I will be there supporting him in the stadium.

    Im not sure what your field is so wont comment but football is so competitive worldwide. I dont big up Neymar because he is just a regular skillful Brazilian but because he is arguably one of the most skillful players to ever have played the great game. Banta aside as man who enjoys sport, Im a bit surprised you dont appreciate a great sporting talent. I dont know him as a person and I might not like him if I ever was to meet him or know but we cannot deny God given talent when we love any sport.
    He's like the boy who cried wolf, this is why I don't blame VAR for going against him in that instance because he has built up this reputation where he'd like to cheat the game to get an advantage but it back fired in a massive way. No denying his talent and ability but his behaviour needs to improve and performances in crunch game, what I put on a pedestal more then anything is the big stage and the World Cup is the pinnacle; I've criticised Messi as well but he is a proven choker, Neymar still has time on his hands to improve on the biggest stage. He may have done well for you but he should be doing way better in my eyes especially as a member of the Brazilian football team the standards are even higher, sporting talent is to be admired but I've always rated mental fortitude a lot more and how said talents perform with their backs against the wall. In a tournament where you can be immortalised forever, his most memorable moment was almost diving into that football post in KO game as Brazil got knocked out; a defeat shouldn't be pinned on one person but he does deserve a chunk of the blame especially given how impactful he is supposed to be. But yeah from a purely footballing POV he is a joy to watch given how sound he is technically.


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    @KingKhanWC Is Neymar your no.1 best footballer in the world today and do you rank him amongst the greatest already ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    He's like the boy who cried wolf, this is why I don't blame VAR for going against him in that instance because he has built up this reputation where he'd like to cheat the game to get an advantage but it back fired in a massive way. No denying his talent and ability but his behaviour needs to improve and performances in crunch game, what I put on a pedestal more then anything is the big stage and the World Cup is the pinnacle; I've criticised Messi as well but he is a proven choker, Neymar still has time on his hands to improve on the biggest stage. He may have done well for you but he should be doing way better in my eyes especially as a member of the Brazilian football team the standards are even higher, sporting talent is to be admired but I've always rated mental fortitude a lot more and how said talents perform with their backs against the wall. In a tournament where you can be immortalised forever, his most memorable moment was almost diving into that football post in KO game as Brazil got knocked out; a defeat shouldn't be pinned on one person but he does deserve a chunk of the blame especially given how impactful he is supposed to be. But yeah from a purely footballing POV he is a joy to watch given how sound he is technically.
    I understand your frustrations which many others feel with his antics. As long we agree he is a great sporting talent, Im cool with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by shaz619 View Post
    @KingKhanWC Is Neymar your no.1 best footballer in the world today and do you rank him amongst the greatest already ?
    In terms of favourites, he's not even in my top. That list would consist of Salah, Messi, Ronaldo, Kevin DB and Leroy Sane atm. For me they have done things in the last 12 months which are very special, obviously for Ronaldo and Messi this is more than 12 months.

    In terms of sheer God given talent Neymar has to be up there. The way he can control a ball hit at him from distance and at pace with his feet is one special talent, sometimes he does it with the wrong foot facing sidewards and it sticks to him like glue. On a good day he is very quick even while dribbling. His passing ability is second to none and his shooting is up there too. I watch football and sport in general for entertainment. Unless it's the team I support I want to see excitement on the field of play and he bring this to the game.


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