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    Donald Trump arrives in UK for start of contentious visit

    Donald Trump has arrived in the UK for a four-day visit which will feature talks with Theresa May, tea with the Queen, and mass protests including a giant Trump baby blimp being flown over Westminster.

    Trump’s plane touched down at Stansted airport, in Essex, from Brussels, where he had spent two days at the Nato summit. He is due to remain in the UK until Sunday evening, when he will head to Helsinki for a summit with Vladimir Putin.

    Air Force One landed at London Stansted airport at 1:51pm, with the media given no access to the president during the flight.

    Trump descended from the plane holding the hand of his wife Melania, and was greeted by Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, before they boarded the helicopter Marine One for the short journey to London, most likely to the US ambassador’s residence, Winfield House.

    Trump will largely avoid the capital or other cities that could host significant protests. He will instead be kept mainly insulated from the public at various country estates or palaces.

    'I think they like me a lot in the UK', says Donald Trump – video
    Earlier Trump said Brexit was heading on a different route to the one the British people expected, and the UK could end up with a closer relationship with the EU than had been predicted.

    Speaking at a press conference as he prepared to leave the Nato summit for his first official visit to the UK, Trump did not explicitly call for a hard Brexit, insisting he was not interfering in the internal affairs of the UK, but his remarks were likely to disturb No 10 as it battles to shore up support for May’s proposed Brexit deal.

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    “I would say Brexit is Brexit,” said Trump. “The people voted to break it up so I imagine that is what they would do, but maybe they’re taking a different route. I’m not sure that’s what they voted for.”

    He added that it seemed as if the UK was “getting at least partially involved back with the European Union. I’d like to see them be able to work it out so it could go quickly.”

    In response, May said: “What we are doing is delivering on the vote of the British people.”

    Trump said he had been reading up closely on Brexit in recent days, and he described the UK as “a pretty hot spot with many resignations”.

    He had already described the UK as a country in turmoil, and held back from endorsing May’s leadership, instead praising the former foreign secretary Boris Johnson, who resigned on Monday in protest at the Brexit deal May presented to the cabinet at her Chequers retreat at the weekend.

    Trump also said he had told EU leaders they had to be careful because immigration was “taking over Europe”, and this had been the reason for Brexit. He said he would be taking on the EU later this month by demanding a change to trade tariffs under the threat of imposing controls on German car exports to the US.

    He insisted he was popular in the UK, citing his strong line on migration. “They like me a lot in the UK. I think they agree with me on immigration.”

    A Guardian/ICM poll released on Wednesday showed 53% of respondents disagreed with the idea Trump was doing a good job, and 63% disagreed with the statement that they would like to see a politician like him as British prime minister.

    As Trump prepared to arrive in the UK on Thursday a spoof “go home” van – a parody of widely criticised Home Office vans carrying messages directed at illegal immigrants – was being driven around central London. The message on the side the van, supported by the campaign groups Another Europe is Possible and Global Justice Now, stated: “Go home or face protest.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ald-trump-says


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    DONALD Trump will tonight have his first night’s sleep in the United Kingdom as president — but thousands of protesters are determined to ruin it for him.

    Mr Trump and First Lady Melania Trump were expected to spend Thursday night at the US Ambassador’s official residence Winfield House in Regent’s Park, the only night of their four-day tour of the UK they will spend in the capital.

    While hundreds of extra police have been deployed to protect the Trumps and a three-metre high steel fence — dubbed the “ring of steel” — has been set up around it, a cheeky protest group called Keep Trump Awake thinks it has something that will easily infiltrate security.

    US President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump arrive at Stansted Airport.
    US President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump arrive at Stansted Airport.Source:Getty Images


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    They are setting out to stop Mr Trump sleeping as they blast a “wall of noise” at the mansion.

    “All night noise protest!! Bring Pots, drums and vuvuzelas,” the groups’ Facebook page implored Londoners.

    Locals were divided yesterday about the intrusion. Most saw it as necessary, but others were less forgiving.

    “President Obama stayed here and we didn’t have anything close to this, it’s too much and intimidating,” Sarah Bracewell said.

    Protesters will follow the couple around the UK.
    Protesters will follow the couple around the UK.Source:Getty Images



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    Another said Mr Trump was “hated” and it was “pretty obvious what the UK thinks of him”.

    Callum Bradley said it was “an annoyance” but he couldn’t see any other option. “The protesters are going to be here in big numbers, so too then do the police. It would be shocking if it all turned bad.”

    A couple visiting from Brighton were more upset at the cost of hosting the Trumps. “To think our NHS is in need of so much money and the police themselves have had [budget] cuts for years, we then have to spend million of pounds on this,” they said.

    Workers setting up the security perimeter have been verbally abused by passers-by, some have been called “murderers” and others confronted and asked how they sleep at night.

    It is a sign of the level of anger Mr Trump has inspired. British authorities’ fear it will get out of control is evident in the sheer scale of the police force assembled to contain protesters.

    The entrance to the US Ambassador's residence was heavily guarded. Picture: Andrew Koubaridis
    The entrance to the US Ambassador's residence was heavily guarded. Picture: Andrew KoubaridisSource:Supplied



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    Gemma Walker, a campaign co-ordinator for the Stop Trump Coalition, told news.com.au she hoped Mr Trump would hear their message. “It’s a chance for everyone to come together and make as much noise as possible to let Trump know that he is not welcome in the UK.”

    She was confident he would know they were there, and was expecting decent crowds after being “inundated” by people wanting to voice their anger.

    “There are a lot of first-time protesters who are appalled by Trump and Trumpism,” she said.

    The visit has led to the biggest mobilisation of officers since the 2011 London riots, with police called from all over the UK, at a cost of $18 million. Some forces have had to cancel hundreds of hours of rest days for staff so they can keep their streets safe while colleagues are in London protecting the president.

    The US Embassy even taken the extraordinary step of warning citizens to keep a “low profile” as the protests could “become violent”

    A perimeter fence dubbed the ‘ring of steel’ has been set up around the mansion.
    A perimeter fence dubbed the ‘ring of steel’ has been set up around the mansion.Source:Supplied

    After Mr Trump’s restless night, he will visit a British defence facility on Friday with prime minister Theresa May, before flying to her country residence Chequers for a working lunch.

    A farmer whose land is along their flight path has allowed protesters to make a crop circle that spells out “F*** Trump”.

    The leaders will hold talks about Brexit, relations with Russia and trade — which could be tense as Mr Trump commented the UK was in “turmoil” with many resignations from ministers during his combative NATO meeting.

    In what could be viewed as a dig at Mrs May he told a media conference: “The people voted to break it up (Britain’s ties with the EU). So I would imagine that’s what they will do, but maybe they will take a little bit of a different route. I don’t know (if) that is what they voted for.”

    The security bill for Mr Trump’s visit is estimated to be $18 million.
    The security bill for Mr Trump’s visit is estimated to be $18 million.Source:AFP

    The major protest will then swing into action on Friday. As many as 100,000 people are expected to converge on London’s Trafalgar Square for a rally after a march through city streets.

    And the skies above Britain’s Parliament at Westminster will see a huge, orange baby blimp fly for several hours. It is a 6m “Trump baby” that was approved by London Mayor Sadiq Khan, who has an ongoing Twitter feud with the president.

    While the protests rage in London, Mr and Mrs Trump will fly to Windsor Castle to meet the Queen.

    They will then spend the weekend in Scotland — where police were also braced for protests — visiting his golf courses, before flying out on Sunday evening to Helsinki, Finland, for his eagerly awaited summit with Russia’s Vladimir Putin.


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    Donald Trump: May presses case for US trade deal at dinner

    Theresa May has welcomed Donald Trump to the UK with a lavish black-tie dinner - during which she made a case for a new trade deal with the US.

    The US president and the first lady were given a red carpet reception at Blenheim Palace, Oxfordshire.

    It is Mr Trump's first visit to the UK since he won the 2016 election.

    Protesters gathered outside the US ambassador's residence in London, where the Trumps are staying tonight, and near Blenheim Palace.

    Police estimated there were about 1,000 people demonstrating near the palace, the birthplace of wartime Prime Minister Winston Churchill.
    His visit comes as the government published its plans for the UK's relations with the EU after Brexit.

    Earlier this week Mr Trump said it was "up to the people" whether the prime minister stayed on after two cabinet ministers resigned over her Brexit policy.

    Mrs May noted that more than one million Americans work for UK-owned firms, telling Mr Trump: "As we prepare to leave the European Union, we have an unprecedented opportunity to do more.

    "It's an opportunity to reach a free trade agreement that creates jobs and growth here in the UK and right across the United States.

    "It's also an opportunity to tear down the bureaucratic barriers that frustrate business leaders on both sides of the Atlantic.

    "And it's an opportunity to shape the future of the world through co-operation in advanced technology, such as artificial intelligence."

    But Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn called Mr Trump "dangerous and inhumane", saying his policies were putting millions of lives at risk.

    Criticising Mrs May for her warm welcome, he said: "Theresa May has invited President Trump to our country at a time when his dangerous and inhumane policies are putting the lives and wellbeing of millions of people at risk.

    "We are committed to dialogue, including of course with those we strongly disagree with, and in government we would find a way to work with his administration while also standing up for our values.

    "But instead the Tories are rewarding President Trump with a red carpet welcome.

    "We must show Trump and the Tories that we can and we will defeat the politics of division."

    The Trumps landed at Stansted Airport, Essex, at 13:50 BST before a helicopter took them to Winfield House in Regent's Park, where they are staying as guests of the US ambassador.

    They stayed there for several hours before travelling to the 18th Century palace near Woodstock for the evening's events.

    They were booed and jeered as their helicopter left Regent's Park, with protesters who had gathered to demonstrate against the president's visit shouting "shame on you" and banging pots and pans, in the hope he would hear them from behind the fence erected around the perimeter of Winfield House.

    John Rees of the Stop the War group addressed the protesters, saying of Trump: "He's a wrecking ball for race relations, he's a wrecking ball for prosperity, he's a wrecking ball for women's rights, he's a wrecking ball for any peace and justice in this world and we have to stop him."

    Mrs May and her husband Philip, joined by around 150 guests, waited outside Blenheim Palace in the sunshine for the president and first lady.

    The Trumps were driven from their helicopter in the armoured presidential limousine, nicknamed The Beast, to the red carpet awaiting them.

    They stood with the Mays to listen to the bandsmen of the Scots, Irish and Welsh Guards, who played the Liberty Fanfare, Amazing Grace and the National Emblem.

    The president briefly held Mrs May's hand as they walked up the stairs to the palace, in a repeat of her visit to the White House when they held hands for a short time.

    Business leaders from sectors including finance, travel, food and defence were among the guests at dinner.

    Cabinet ministers including the newly-appointed Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt and Chancellor Philip Hammond were also present.

    They were entertained by The Countess of Wessex's Orchestra, playing British and American hits of the 20th Century during dinner.

    Only one person, the digital entrepreneur and philanthropist Baroness Martha Lane-Fox, has publicly refused the invitation.

    They were given a best-of-British dinner, featuring Scottish salmon, Hereford beef fillet and strawberries with clotted cream ice-cream.

    During the dinner, Mrs May said: "Mr President, Sir Winston Churchill once said that 'to have the United States at our side was, to me, the greatest joy'.

    "The spirit of friendship and co-operation between our countries, our leaders and our people, that most special of relationships, has a long and proud history.

    "Now, for the benefit of all our people, let us work together to build a more prosperous future."

    She stressed that the US and UK are "not just the closest of allies, but the dearest of friends".

    Perhaps in a reference to Mr Trump's meeting with Vladimir Putin on Monday, she said that Britain and the US work closely together in the interests of their shared security, "whether through targeting Daesh [Islamic State group] terrorists or standing up to Russian aggression".

    On Friday, Mrs May and Mr Trump will go to watch a joint counter-terrorism exercise by British and US special forces at a military base.

    The pair will then travel to Chequers - the PM's country residence in Buckinghamshire - for talks with the foreign secretary.

    Extra security is in place to police the protests. More are planned for the second day of Mr Trump's visit.

    The president and first lady will travel to Windsor on Friday afternoon to meet the Queen, before flying to Scotland to spend the weekend at Mr Trump's Turnberry golf resort. This part of the visit is being considered private.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44815359

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    Donald Trump has said the UK will "probably not" get a trade deal with the US, if the prime minister's Brexit plan goes ahead.
    He told The Sun the PM's plan would "probably kill the deal" as it would mean the US "would be dealing with the European Union" instead of with the UK.

    Downing Street has not yet reacted to Mr Trump's remarks.

    Theresa May has been making the case for a US free trade deal with Mr Trump, on his first UK visit as president.
    She said Brexit was an "unprecedented opportunity" to create growth in the UK and US.

    Mr Trump also said that former Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson - who disagrees with the PM on Brexit and resigned this week - would make a "great prime minister", adding "I think he's got what it takes".

    In his interview, he also renewed his criticism of London Mayor Sadiq Khan over last year's terror attacks in London, saying he had done "a terrible job".

    It comes ahead of a day of planned, and widespread, anti-Trump protests across the UK, including one in Parliament Square which involves a giant inflatable of Mr Trump as a baby. Some pro-Trump events are also taking place.

    The US president and his wife, Melania, were given a red carpet reception at Blenheim Palace, Oxfordshire on Thursday evening.

    They were at a black-tie dinner with Mrs May as news broke of his interview with the newspaper, which said it was conducted while he was in Brussels.

    After it was published, White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders said the president "likes and respects Prime Minister May very much", adding that he had "never said anything bad about her".

    Mr Trump - who has been a long-time supporter of Brexit - told The Sun that the UK's blueprint for its post-Brexit relations with the EU was "a much different deal than the people voted on".

    He said the Brexit proposals Mrs May and her cabinet thrashed out at the PM's country house Chequers last week "would probably end a major trade relationship with the United States."

    "We have enough difficulty with the European Union," he said, saying the EU has "not treated the United States fairly on trading".

    'I told May how to do it'

    He also said Mrs May had not listened to his advice on how to do a Brexit deal, saying: "I would have done it much differently.

    "I actually told Theresa May how to do it but she didn't agree, she didn't listen to me. She wanted to go a different route," he said.

    Tom Newton Dunn, the Sun journalist who interviewed Mr Trump, said the US president seemed "sensitive" and knew about the "Trump baby" inflatable.

    "He's really quite stung by the criticism he's been getting," said Mr Newton Dunn. "He knew all about the baby blimp. I think it hurt him."


    Media captionThe Sun journalist who interviewed Donald Trump says the president "really cares" what people in Britain think of him.

    The BBC's political editor, Laura Kuenssberg, said Mr Trump's interview had "driven a bulldozer" through Mrs May's claim that the UK would be able to get decent trade deals with the wider world, while sticking to the EU rules.

    But Foreign Office minister Sir Alan Duncan said things had "moved on" since Mr Trump's interview - which was carried out before he arrived in the UK - and the mood at Thursday night's dinner was "fantastically positive and did focus a lot on trade".

    The government does not see Mr Trump's behaviour as "rude", said Sir Alan, adding: "Donald Trump is a controversialist. That's his style."

    And Chancellor Phillip Hammond said he is sure there will be "very positive" talks between Mr Trump and the PM later today.

    Protesters near Blenheim Palace making their feelings known on Thursday
    Mayor of London Sadiq Khan defended his decision to allow the giant Trump baby inflatable to fly over London, saying: "The idea that we limit the right to protest because it might cause offence to a foreign leader is a slippery slope".

    And, responding to Mr Trump's criticism of his response to terrorism, Mr Khan said it was "interesting" that he "is not criticising the mayors of other cities" which have also experienced terror attacks.

    Meanwhile, Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry said the PM "should be standing up to [Mr Trump]" after he "slagged her off", instead of holding his hand.

    Mr Trump briefly held Mrs May's hand as they went up the stairs
    Mr Trump's comments came on the same day the UK government published its proposal for its long-term relationship with the EU.

    The plan is aimed at ensuring trade co-operation, with no hard border for Northern Ireland, and global trade deals for the UK. Mrs May said the plan "absolutely delivers on the Brexit we voted for".
    But after ministers reached an agreement on the plan at Chequers a week ago, leading Brexiteers Boris Johnson and David Davis resigned from the cabinet.

    Media captionSome of Mr Trump's supporters and protesters have been explaining their motivation
    Mrs May and Mr Trump are watching a joint counter-terrorism exercise by British and US special forces at a military base.
    The pair will then travel to Chequers - the PM's country residence in Buckinghamshire - for talks also being attended by Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt.

    Extra security is in place to police protests planned for the second day of Mr Trump's visit.
    The president and first lady will travel to Windsor on Friday afternoon to meet the Queen, before flying to Scotland to spend the weekend at Mr Trump's Turnberry golf resort. This part of the visit is being considered private.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44815558


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    "I would have done it much differently. I actually told Theresa May how to do it but she didn't agree, she didn't listen to me."
    Haha you don't even know what the Single Market and Customs Union is you nitwit.

    How embarrassing to roll out the red carpet for someone who immediately upon landing gives an interview with The Sun newspaper disrespecting his host government.

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    London (CNN) - Protesters have begun gathering in the UK for demonstrations against Donald Trump and his controversial policies, as the US President stayed out of central London, where the biggest rallies are expected.

    The leader's schedule has been organized for him to avoid the protests, and although Trump claims he is very popular in Britain, he conceded the planned demonstrations made him feel "unwelcome" in the capital, in an interview with The Sun.

    Protesters released a giant, orange-hued balloon of a "Trump Baby" in a diaper over Britain's Houses of Parliament early Friday morning, in what organizers said was an attempt to speak to the leader "in a language that he understands, which is personal insults."

    At 11 a.m., protesters began gathering outside the BBC in central London's Portland Place for a separate demonstration branded "Bring the Noise," led by the Women's March London, which organized mass demonstrations in 2017 against Trump's remarks and behavior toward women. They are expecting up to 8,000 people to take part throughout the day.

    "We want to let Trump know we from the UK, one of the US' biggest allies, are not OK with his policies," says Alice Stevenson, 24. "We're in solidarity with those negatively affected by Trump's policies around the world."

    The rally is aimed at criticizing not only Trump's attitude toward women, but also his hardline policies, including the Muslim travel ban and the separation of migrant children from their families at the US border, the organizers said.

    "Women's March London is holding a joyful day of noise and action which will serve as a timely reminder of the collective challenges the world is facing and the importance of joining together in solidarity to overcome these challenges."

    Meena Patel and Shakila Maan from the organization Southall Black Sisters joined the march and said they were against Trump's child-separation policy.

    Read the full article at: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/13/u...ntl/index.html

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    Wow, amazing turnout in London.

    The UK people despise him and rightly so.


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    Had to laugh at the bridges not walls sign behind the unemployed professional protesters. Is that why they pulled out of the EU community, didn't they just vote to create a wall between them and the EU. Trump must be doing something right if these stupid people don't like him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Had to laugh at the bridges not walls sign behind the unemployed professional protesters. Is that why they pulled out of the EU community, didn't they just vote to create a wall between them and the EU. Trump must be doing something right if these stupid people don't like him.
    1. How do you know the protestors are unemployed?

    2. The majority of Aussies dont trust trump according to polls, are you suggesting Aussies are stupid people?


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    Great to be part of the amazing protests today.

    Was interviewed by a TV crew at one point and was giving my opinion on the Palestine-Israel issue and a Jewish lady came up, listened for a while and was very supportive. The whole march was amazingly diverse (in terms of races/religions/issue groups etc) yet unified in the common purpose of sending a message to both Trump and the Tory Government.

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    The Police estimated the crowd at 250,000

    Apparently it was larger than Trumps Inauguration Crowd !



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    Quote Originally Posted by s28 View Post
    Great to be part of the amazing protests today.

    Was interviewed by a TV crew at one point and was giving my opinion on the Palestine-Israel issue and a Jewish lady came up, listened for a while and was very supportive. The whole march was amazingly diverse (in terms of races/religions/issue groups etc) yet unified in the common purpose of sending a message to both Trump and the Tory Government.
    Sounds like a great day out.

    Were there any famous speakers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Had to laugh at the bridges not walls sign behind the unemployed professional protesters. Is that why they pulled out of the EU community, didn't they just vote to create a wall between them and the EU. Trump must be doing something right if these stupid people don't like him.
    The type of people who voted for Brexit are most likely the same sort who support Trump, himself a vocal supporter of Britain's secession from Europe. They won't have been at this rally, more likely they will have been spending their dole money on beer and cigarettes.


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    10 Falsehoods From Trump’s News Conference With Theresa May

    WHAT MR. TRUMP SAID

    “In Germany, we have 52,000 troops.”

    THE FACTS

    This is exaggerated.

    In its most recent report, the Pentagon’s Defense Manpower Data Center said that 34,821 American troops were stationed in Germany as of March 31.

    Mr. Trump may have also been counting the number of National Guard troops, reserve troops and civilian personnel in Germany, but he would still be off by a few thousand people. An estimated 47,500 Defense Department personnel are in Germany.


    WHAT MR. TRUMP SAID

    “We have left NATO with more money, with more unity, with more spirit, than NATO probably has ever had.”

    THE FACTS

    False.

    Member states of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization have increased spending on their own militaries since 2014. At an annual meeting this week in Brussels, the member states affirmed their 2014 pledge to spend 2 percent of their gross domestic product on national defense by 2024.

    But NATO’s members, including the United States, are still spending less money than they did during the Cold War.

    Military spending across NATO is estimated to reach 2.4 percent of G.D.P. this year, according to a report that the alliance released on July 10. By comparison, member states spent 4.5 percent of GDP on national defense during the 1980s.


    WHAT MR. TRUMP SAID

    “Well, if you remember, I was opening Turnberry the day before Brexit and we had an unbelievably large number of reporters there because everybody was there, I guess, because of Brexit and they all showed up on the ninth hole, overlooking the ocean, and I said what’s going on? And all they wanted to talk about was Brexit. They asked for my opinion. And I think you will agree that I said I think Brexit will happen, and it did happen.”

    THE FACTS

    False.

    Mr. Trump visited the Turnberry golf resort in Scotland on June 24, 2016 — the day after Britain voted to leave the European Union. At a news conference, he called the outcome a “great thing” and also tweeted several times that day about the Brexit vote and its parallels to the American presidential election.

    On June 22, the day before the Brexit vote, Mr. Trump was in New York, where he delivered a 41-minute speech criticizing Hillary Clinton. He did not mention Brexit.

    It is true that Mr. Trump supported Brexit before the June 23 vote and said in a March 2016 interview with ITV that “I think that Britain will separate from the E.U.”

    But his prediction did not occur at the golf resort in Scotland the day before the vote.


    OTHER CLAIMS

    Mr. Trump also repeated several other claims during the news conference at Chequers, Mrs. May’s official country residence, that The New York Times has previously debunked:

    He misleadingly claimed that the United States pays “90 percent of the cost of NATO” (his figure is overstated and conflates different measures of the alliance’s military spending).

    He falsely claimed that the United States has “become an oil exporter, which would not have happened under the past regime” (it has been exporting oil for decades, but is still not a net exporter).

    He exaggerated the United States’ trade deficit with China as $500 billion (it was about $336 billion in 2017).

    He exaggerated the United States’ trade deficit with the European Union as $151 billion (it is $101 billion).

    He claimed that North Korea has stopped nuclear testing and has blown up test sites (North Korea blew up one site, but independent analysts have yet to verify that the destruction was complete).

    He falsely claimed military spending by NATO members was “going down” before he became president (spending began to increase before Mr. Trump took office).

    He misleadingly claimed that Germany imports up to 70 percent of its energy from Russia (Germany relies on Russia for natural gas, but gets just 9 percent of their total energy from Russia).

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/13/u...eresa-may.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    Sounds like a great day out.

    Were there any famous speakers?
    Corbyn spoke
    Lowkey spoke
    Ash Sarkar spoke ? (she destroyed Piers Morgan the other day)

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    London has become a leftist hell-hole. So not surprised at the protests at all.

    Ironically there were no protests to be seen anywhere when the Saudi King visited earlier this year. I wonder why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Ball View Post
    London has become a leftist hell-hole. So not surprised at the protests at all.

    Ironically there were no protests to be seen anywhere when the Saudi King visited earlier this year. I wonder why.
    There were at least 4 or 5 different protests that all culminated together.

    By the way, you could say that a protest against Trump is like protesting against Saudi it’s practically another state of America

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    So Trump treated the queen as a normal human and some brits loyal to the queen are upset. Donald Trump, I salute you for your one step ahead of the queen was a giant leap for humanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    So Trump treated the queen as a normal human and some brits loyal to the queen are upset. Donald Trump, I salute you for your one step ahead of the queen was a giant leap for humanity.
    Don’t mock our Queen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    Don’t mock our Queen!
    Not mocking her. She is a cute little grandma. Just another human. It took a Donald Trump for some people to realize that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricketCartoons View Post
    Not mocking her. She is a cute little grandma. Just another human. It took a Donald Trump for some people to realize that.
    She is our grandma!
    We should all respect our elders. Trump should have held her hand like he did Theresa’s

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    She is our grandma!
    We should all respect our elders. Trump should have held her hand like he did Theresa’s
    He made her wait for 10 mins. That is what grandma's are good for..waiting for others. She is no queen. Anyway, a queen shouldn't be so old. She should retire gracefully and let a more photogenic member of the family become a queen. One who can stand in the sun for 10 mins while representing UK.

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    I am pleased that we live in a country where citizens have the freedom to protest, what I don’t support though is how hundreds of thousands turn up for Trump and yet you would never see that for King Salman, Xi Jinping or Netanyahu, tbh forget protesting against them - many of these protesters have probably never even heard of those individuals. So for me there is also an element of bandwagon-jumping and hypocrisy to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    I am pleased that we live in a country where citizens have the freedom to protest, what I don’t support though is how hundreds of thousands turn up for Trump and yet you would never see that for King Salman, Xi Jinping or Netanyahu, tbh forget protesting against them - many of these protesters have probably never even heard of those individuals. So for me there is also an element of bandwagon-jumping and hypocrisy to this.
    Its quite funny when you see these protesters interviewed as most of them don't know why they are protesting. All they know is what CNN/MSN has told them.

    Its just mob mentality on steroids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    I am pleased that we live in a country where citizens have the freedom to protest, what I don’t support though is how hundreds of thousands turn up for Trump and yet you would never see that for King Salman, Xi Jinping or Netanyahu, tbh forget protesting against them - many of these protesters have probably never even heard of those individuals. So for me there is also an element of bandwagon-jumping and hypocrisy to this.
    Actually there’s an easy explanation.

    Unlike the other leaders, this is president of the USA, the protector freedom and democracy and the most powerful man in the world... the true puppet masters.

    Ask yourself this, would King Salman or any of the Saudi Royal family be where they are now without America?

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    Funny hearing the right wing whine about the protesters.

    Aren't you guys constantly crying about freedom of speech on college campuses and safe spaces ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Ball View Post
    London has become a leftist hell-hole. So not surprised at the protests at all.

    Ironically there were no protests to be seen anywhere when the Saudi King visited earlier this year. I wonder why.
    You mean the city that voted for a Conservative mayor for two terms ?

    The Saudi King was protested against - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8244861.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    The type of people who voted for Brexit are most likely the same sort who support Trump, himself a vocal supporter of Britain's secession from Europe. They won't have been at this rally, more likely they will have been spending their dole money on beer and cigarettes.
    Werent the Brexiters the majority?

    What is this dole money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Werent the Brexiters the majority?

    What is this dole money?
    Rishwat is overstating it - 77% of Brits disapprove of Trump.

    Two thirds of even Conservative voters, more likely to support Brexit, oppose his views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markhor View Post
    Rishwat is overstating it - 77% of Brits disapprove of Trump.

    Two thirds of even Conservative voters, more likely to support Brexit, oppose his views.
    There is a difference between an actual election and a survey.

    Most opinion polls showed remain would win. It didnot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Werent the Brexiters the majority?

    What is this dole money?
    Dole money is slang for welfare payouts. The first city to vote for Brexit was sunderland, a horrible industrial town populated by poorly paid workers with bad fashion sense and a racist bent. In fact, now I mention bent, there was actually a black football player called Darren Bent who spent a couple of years in Sunderland who complained his mother received racist abuse from other customers at a supermarket.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Werent the Brexiters the majority?

    What is this dole money?
    Dole is government benefits...
    So if you’re unemployed then you’re likely to be on the dole.

    Overall London voted to remain.
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    I believe there is a pro trump march today.

    That’s the beauty of living in a free country where everyone can voice their opinion, to a certain extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    Actually there’s an easy explanation.

    Unlike the other leaders, this is president of the USA, the protector freedom and democracy and the most powerful man in the world... the true puppet masters.

    Ask yourself this, would King Salman or any of the Saudi Royal family be where they are now without America?
    Maybe, maybe not.

    What about President Xi? China is probably the most powerful country in the world apart from the US. Xi got a full state visit in 2015 (Trump’s is not a state visit) and we mainly saw small protests concentrating on localised issues within Chinese territories. Given China’s human rights record and Xi’s self-stylised system of burgeoning dictatorship (at least Trump can get voted out in a couple of years), where were all of the mass protests then?

    I do think it’s hypocritical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Dole money is slang for welfare payouts. The first city to vote for Brexit was sunderland, a horrible industrial town populated by poorly paid workers with bad fashion sense and a racist bent. In fact, now I mention bent, there was actually a black football player called Darren Bent who spent a couple of years in Sunderland who complained his mother received racist abuse from other customers at a supermarket.
    Overall UK voted for Brexit. That doesnot change.

    Describing people as poorly paid with bad fashion sense etc etc is a bit rich coming from a person whose family went to UK to make a better living. Pakistanis have one of the lowest median incomes in UK. So its no use being elitist and dissing a group of people just because they are not Rich or wear fashionable clothes.

    Rich or poor everyone has the right to opinion in a democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMMY69 View Post
    Dole is government benefits...
    So if you’re unemployed then you’re likely to be on the dole.

    Overall London voted to remain.
    London is not UK. If i am not wrong 36% of london population was born out of london according to 2011 census?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    There is a difference between an actual election and a survey.

    Most opinion polls showed remain would win. It didnot.
    Those opinion polls were within the margin of error - there was only a few percentage points between the sides in the referendum.

    77% is as decisive a consensus you could find in Britain on any issue - despite the public being very polarised politically currently.

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    The main policy of his that I just find baffling and I think is ridiculous is the Mexican Wall one. When he announced during his campaign that he would be pursuing it I honestly thought it was comic relief. Then again there are plenty of rumours out that that he only ran for President to raise his profile and revive his various floundering businesses, with no expectation of actually winning, so this whole 4 / 8 year thing can potentially be seen as a Marxian farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James View Post
    Maybe, maybe not.

    What about President Xi? China is probably the most powerful country in the world apart from the US. Xi got a full state visit in 2015 (Trump’s is not a state visit) and we mainly saw small protests concentrating on localised issues within Chinese territories. Given China’s human rights record and Xi’s self-stylised system of burgeoning dictatorship (at least Trump can get voted out in a couple of years), where were all of the mass protests then?

    I do think it’s hypocritical.
    Whilst what you say about Xi is correct I would put this down to factors that the people in the UK can relate too.

    How many other leaders have tried to interfere with our politics? (I.e Brexit)..

    How many other leaders have called a London Hospital a war zone and compared the knife crime here to gun crime in America?

    How many leaders have supported or endorsed UK Rightwing Organisations?

    How many of these leaders purport to lead a democratic country, the bastion of world peace and law and order, yet interfere in other countries?

    How many leaders have taken their country out of agrements that took many years to agree and which involved many countries?
    Iran, global warming?

    How many of these leaders are habitual liars and alleged womanisers/sex pests?

    If you have to keep calling yourself a genius and how good you are then more often than not you are not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Overall UK voted for Brexit. That doesnot change.

    Describing people as poorly paid with bad fashion sense etc etc is a bit rich coming from a person whose family went to UK to make a better living. Pakistanis have one of the lowest median incomes in UK. So its no use being elitist and dissing a group of people just because they are not Rich or wear fashionable clothes.

    Rich or poor everyone has the right to opinion in a democracy.

    Ironic you mentioned the Pakistani median income, if you moved to Sunderland you'd probably be described as a Pakistani, or at least the abbreviated version which gets filtered out by the forum software as an abusive term. If you don't know what you are talking about I suggest stay quiet, not everything can be answered by looking at surveys and statistics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Ironic you mentioned the Pakistani median income, if you moved to Sunderland you'd probably be described as a Pakistani, or at least the abbreviated version which gets filtered out by the forum software as an abusive term. If you don't know what you are talking about I suggest stay quiet, not everything can be answered by looking at surveys and statistics.
    It doesnot matter what they refer to me ir you as. They have the same rights as you or any British citizen.

    Just because you do not like their perfectly legal opinion in Brexit doesnot mean they are some kind of evil group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    It doesnot matter what they refer to me ir you as. They have the same rights as you or any British citizen.

    Just because you do not like their perfectly legal opinion in Brexit doesnot mean they are some kind of evil group.
    The vote of the people should definitely be respected regardless and this is why two of the biggest parties in the UK are against holding a second referendum despite being a part of the remain campaign, you can see why Brexit itself as a topic is so polarising when 51.9 % voted leave while 48.1 % voted remain ; it wasn't the biggest majority win.

    I agree that rich or poor everyone is entitled to an opinion, many people though have a stereotypical view of the poor people in the UK and look down on them but this is a problem everywhere when one doesn't go through the same suffering; but majority of those who are accepting benefits also work. Additionally we can look at why certain regions voted leave, one of the biggest root causes is poor education at the grass root levels and the government could do better in this regard making Politics and Diversity/Equality courses a part of the national curriculum alongside English, Maths and Science.

    Also, Pakistani median incomes in the UK can be a little deceiving because a big portion bend the rules to evade tax and the stats don't always factor in the businesses which perform very well. Looking ahead the 3rd gen are doing much better and will improve those numbers.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Overall UK voted for Brexit. That doesnot change.

    Describing people as poorly paid with bad fashion sense etc etc is a bit rich coming from a person whose family went to UK to make a better living. Pakistanis have one of the lowest median incomes in UK. So its no use being elitist and dissing a group of people just because they are not Rich or wear fashionable clothes.

    Rich or poor everyone has the right to opinion in a democracy.
    Never thought I'd say this but @cricketjoshila made my day with this post you're not a bad guy but you still surprised me and showed up a lot of people. Thank you sir

    I nominate him for POTW @MenInG


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    It doesnot matter what they refer to me ir you as. They have the same rights as you or any British citizen.

    Just because you do not like their perfectly legal opinion in Brexit doesnot mean they are some kind of evil group.
    1. I never referred to them as an evil group.
    2. I did not deny they had their right or perfectly legal opinion, same as I have my right to express mine in the manner I have done.

    To be quite frank it is pointless you even trying to analyse my post with your straight laced Indian scrutiny, this is a regional rivalry thing because I live in the fantastic world famous city Newcastle which is the regional rival of sunderland, although it is hardly a rivalry, because if Newcastle was a shoe, sunderland would be the stuff you wipe off it when you take a wrong step.

    @shaz619, that is what you call POTW material.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    1. How do you know the protestors are unemployed?

    2. The majority of Aussies dont trust trump according to polls, are you suggesting Aussies are stupid people?
    If you don't know what you are talking about I suggest stay quiet, not everything can be answered by looking at surveys and statistics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    If you don't know what you are talking about I suggest stay quiet, not everything can be answered by looking at surveys and statistics.
    The purpose of the forum is discussion and I'm not aboriginal, so please keep your suggestions.

    The Lowy Institute poll shows that since 2011 faith in the US to act responsibly has fallen from 83% to 55%, while only 30% of Australians have confidence in Trump’s foreign policy.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...o-all-time-low

    77% of British public have an unfavourable view of Donald Trump, ITV Tonight poll finds
    http://www.itv.com/news/2018-07-12/7...sit-to-the-uk/

    250,000 marched in protest against a man who has joked about physical disability, openly racist, alleged woman molester, sexist comments, insulted world leaders. But according to you he is a great man and anyone who opposes him are 'idiots'? I would say those who support him are either uneducated, racist in nature or have mental issues.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    The purpose of the forum is discussion and I'm not aboriginal, so please keep your suggestions.



    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...o-all-time-low



    http://www.itv.com/news/2018-07-12/7...sit-to-the-uk/

    250,000 marched in protest against a man who has joked about physical disability, openly racist, alleged woman molester, sexist comments, insulted world leaders. But according to you he is a great man and anyone who opposes him are 'idiots'? I would say those who support him are either uneducated, racist in nature or have mental issues.

    Trump called his own video fake news and his fans bought it. They are clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed. They will let Trump take a dump in their backyard just to "Stick it to the libzzzzz".


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    Quote Originally Posted by leatherface58 View Post
    Trump called his own video fake news and his fans bought it. They are clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed. They will let Trump take a dump in their backyard just to "Stick it to the libzzzzz".
    How is he perceived in NZ(in general)? I believe your PM made some interesting remarks to him once.


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    Quote Originally Posted by leatherface58 View Post
    Trump called his own video fake news and his fans bought it. They are clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed. They will let Trump take a dump in their backyard just to "Stick it to the libzzzzz".
    His advice to May was to sue the EU!!

    What a great idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKhanWC View Post
    How is he perceived in NZ(in general)? I believe your PM made some interesting remarks to him once.
    I stay in a somewhat liberal area so they find him at best a joke and a menace at worst. But he has his supporters though nowhere near as crazy as the alt-right. The Russian comments today were not well-received though. His stance on immigration is not popular either.

    The PM was awesome at calling Trump out for his fragile ego when he asked for a march.
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