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    Is Jimmy Anderson an all-time great?

    For me he is

    Avg 26 with the ball and having almost 550 wickts is legendary in this FTbullys era.


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    Is this even a question??🙅

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    If he isn't after 500 wickets at avg of 26 then who is?

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    He is the Cook of Bowling, surprisingly same team ATG ENGLAND but overall will always be in doubt due to his performances in unsupporting conditions.

    Defn the best European bowler ever.

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    Nah, he's a home bully. Borderline ATG. What are his away stats again?

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    He is an ATG. Always gives his 100%.

    Definition of a match winner. Champion bowler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Gomes View Post
    Nah, he's a home bully. Borderline ATG. What are his away stats again?
    When others perform well at home, they are home bullies, but somehow the standard reverse when others teams preform well everywhere, Indians just say “let’s see how you do in India”.. does that mean their whole team is a home bully?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    When others perform well at home, they are home bullies, but somehow the standard reverse when others teams preform well everywhere, Indians just say “let’s see how you do in India”.. does that mean their whole team is a home bully?
    Indians are the biggest home bully. Their whole have been bunny to England this decade.

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    Wouldn't have said so a few years ago, but in the last 5 or so seasons the longevity variable has made its entry and now I wholeheartedly agree - he deserves to be up there with McGrath and Steyn from this era.

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    Not in my eyes.

    But he does have the distinction of being the tormentor-in-chief of the two best Indian bats of the last 15 years.

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    Undoubtedly so. The ignorants can keep calling him a home bully, but he is going to end up with more wickets than any pacer in history has dreamed of taking, and has dominated some of the greatest batsmen in history.

    One of the skillful bowlers in history who has simply gotten smarter and better with age. Once in many, many generations cricketer whose complete mastery of swing bowling will never be forgotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohli, The King of Chase View Post
    Is this even a question??🙅
    This. Of course he is ATG.

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    He definitely is.

    But not in the same bracket as Steyn, McGrath etc.

    The likes of Anderson and Broad completely vanished in India last year. In fact, they mysteriously get injured when they get phainty the previous test.

    The likes of Steyn terrorized India even on spin friendly pitches. So Steyn > Anderson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    He definitely is.

    But not in the same bracket as Steyn, McGrath etc.

    The likes of Anderson and Broad completely vanished in India last year. In fact, they mysteriously get injured when they get phainty the previous test.

    The likes of Steyn terrorized India even on spin friendly pitches. So Steyn > Anderson.
    Steyn’s 7-51 in Nagpur on a dead track is the best spell in Asia by a fast bowler in the last decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManFan View Post
    Steyn’s 7-51 in Nagpur on a dead track is the best spell in Asia by a fast bowler in the last decade.
    That is why I rate Steyn over Anderson any day.

    But in English conditions, Anderson is on par with the greatest bowlers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Undoubtedly so. The ignorants can keep calling him a home bully, but he is going to end up with more wickets than any pacer in history has dreamed of taking, and has dominated some of the greatest batsmen in history.

    One of the skillful bowlers in history who has simply gotten smarter and better with age. Once in many, many generations cricketer whose complete mastery of swing bowling will never be forgotten.
    He looks great against all teams against the two strongest he has faced , Aus and SA.

    I don't remember how many times these teams have humbled him , even in England.

    It depends on everyone's definition of ATG, he hasn't been a threat worldwide for a considerable period of time to be counted as an ATG for me. McGrath, Marshall, Akram, Imran, Steyn, Ambrose etc are ATGs.

    But he is a super bowler nonetheless. Among the bowlers averaging 25+ , he may very well be the best .

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    Yeah, let’s go for it and call it.

    ATG.

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    Anil Kumble has 619 test wickets. Is he an ATG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Undoubtedly so. The ignorants can keep calling him a home bully, but he is going to end up with more wickets than any pacer in history has dreamed of taking, and has dominated some of the greatest batsmen in history.

    One of the skillful bowlers in history who has simply gotten smarter and better with age. Once in many, many generations cricketer whose complete mastery of swing bowling will never be forgotten.
    You have called this to perhaps 4-5 cricketers from last 15 years only. How can all of them be once in many, many generation when they all debuted post 2000s only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    He is the Cook of Bowling, surprisingly same team ATG ENGLAND but overall will always be in doubt due to his performances in unsupporting conditions.

    Defn the best European bowler ever.
    Cook won't be leading run-scorer but Anderson is about to become leading wicket-taker.

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    Not at the level of Steyn, McGrath or Wasim, but still a great of the game. Nobody can replicate what he can do with the ball, and his away record has gotten considerably better in the last 5 years.


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    Anderson is an ATG IMO as well. Dont get fooled by away stats. It is harder to maintain these numbers given the number of matches England play per year.

    Over 4-5 tests, you are bound to lose it somewhere, more so for a fast bowler.

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    In England. A Dukes ball bully through and through.


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    I heard commie saying that Anderson has 99 wickets at the Lords Ground

    May be 100 wickets after that Ishant wicket.

    Not sure if any other bowler has so many wickets at one ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    I heard commie saying that Anderson has 99 wickets at the Lords Ground

    May be 100 wickets after that Ishant wicket.

    Not sure if any other bowler has so many wickets at one ground.
    Murali has over 100 at Kandy and SSC and 90-ish at Galle, Rangana Herath also has 99 at Galle.


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    Said it before as well. Only thing is I thought he would become more of a containing bowler now that he is getting older, yet here he is haha.

    What an artist with the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    In England. A Dukes ball bully through and through.
    Who has been able to replicate his performances in England with the Dukes? Nobody has mastered swing bowling the way he has, and for that reason he is a an ATG, but as I said earlier, not at Steyn or McGrath's level.


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    Best conventional swing bowler in his generation. Up there with wasim when it comes to purely conventional swing bowling skills. ATG for me.

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    Meanwhile Steyn bowling in English T20 leagues.

    Still good figures in the last couple of matches though.

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    Decent bowler but I'm glad to have seen better and more skilful fast bowlers over the years, even if the only played for half as many years as Anderson and took less than half his wickets tally.

    Quality ahead of quantity for me any day.

    A simple question - for anyone who has watched test cricket since 80s era, if let's say you had to list the Top 50 most memorable and destructive spells of fast bowling you have seen in last 30 years or so, would any spell from James Anderson make the top 10/20/30/40 or 50 even?

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    I don't know man.

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    It's a no brainer really, those who disagree probably are extremely bitter and insecure


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    Anil Kumble has 619 test wickets. Is he an ATG?
    Easily one of the greatest and most versatile leg spinners of all time so yeah he is an ATG


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketworm View Post
    I don't know man.

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    Hilarious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Hilarious.
    It's ignorance, clouds do not cause swing most uneducated simple minded fellas who don't understand fluid mechanics believe they know more then experts can understand an Indian lacking knowledge on fast bowling but a Pakistani to you should change your display pic from the chucker to Ishant Sharma


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    Most of these Indian fans being bitter about Anderson are pure haters, they are going on like it's a piece of cake to get the new ball to deviate like Anderson; if it were so simple many would have to just run in with that new cherry and expect to take wickets. Instead, Anderson is on the brink of becoming the leading wicket taker amongst pace bowlers and his legacy has been cemented already as one of the all time greats.


    Ah, so this is what it feels like

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    He is probably on the list of the top 5 "all time greats".

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaDed View Post
    He is the Cook of Bowling, surprisingly same team ATG ENGLAND but overall will always be in doubt due to his performances in unsupporting conditions.

    Defn the best European bowler ever.
    I can think of a couple better that I have seen play, let alone ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    I can think of a couple better that I have seen play, let alone ever.
    How many are so good to watch in full flow though? There was no batsman in the world that would have survived that spell today. Mesmerizing.

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    At this rate, the whole Indian team will be labelled as being Anderson's bunnies, not just Kohli. His ball to get Vijay out was one of the best balls I've seen in a while.

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    For all those blaberrinng on this thread.
    There is a simple criteria for an atg i. e
    performance in overseas matches, no amount of home track bullying can compensate for it.
    People raise questions on dravids low avg in srl, sa while the same hypocrites neglect Anderson's performance in any place except England.
    Amount of wickets can't make up for lack of skill so no anderson isn't an atg, not even borderline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    For all those blaberrinng on this thread.
    There is a simple criteria for an atg i. e
    performance in overseas matches, no amount of home track bullying can compensate for it.
    People raise questions on dravids low avg in srl, sa while the same hypocrites neglect Anderson's performance in any place except England.
    Amount of wickets can't make up for lack of skill so no anderson isn't an atg, not even borderline.
    Any place?

    How do you explain his fine performances under blazing sun in UAE and West Indies?
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    Yeah love Jimmy...top bowler. Sad that he retired from LOIs though. Would love to see him in WC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    Any place?

    How do you explain his fine performances under blazing sun in UAE and West Indies?
    Yes he has been fine in uae, windies has been a bad team for some time and it's only recently that they have started improving, so stats in windies don't say a lot.
    In fact stuart broad has been a better tourist than him.
    Even if we excuse him for all his bad performances in other nations, he still avgs 27 and atgs are below 25 avg bowlers.
    I read in one of the threads that here that if we leave england and india aside zaheer and anderson avg the same (zaheers avg was still slightly better). With so many holes in his CV he can't be an ATG.

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    Yes.He is an ATG.

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    Don't know whether an ATG or not, but I guess any team would definitely want to have him in their team when they are playing on seaming tracks.

    His bowling is like poetry, subtle, skillful and beautiful. But sadly the lack of pace costs him on dead tracks.

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    Great bowler absolutely but for me not in the league of McGrath but then who exactly could be put in the league of McGrath, don't think even Steyn or Ambrose could be compared to Mcgrath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canford Cliffs View Post
    Yeah love Jimmy...top bowler. Sad that he retired from LOIs though. Would love to see him in WC
    Has he retired from ODIs? I thot England wud have him in the squad considering fast bowling is a weak link in their ODI squad

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    Quote Originally Posted by happydavy View Post
    Has he retired from ODIs? I thot England wud have him in the squad considering fast bowling is a weak link in their ODI squad
    Didn't retire but England ignored & moved on from Anderson & broad after 2015 worldcup disaster.
    Anderson just can't bowl at death otherwise he is fine new ball bowler. Since England already have options for new ball bowlers like woakes,willey & now sam Curran there is no point of looking back.

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    He is the greatest English test bowler of all time, only Trueman has a shout and I never saw him play. However, a true all time great cricketer must be great across formats, which Jimmy is not. I understand this is likely a test cricket discussion and on that, yes, he is a test great.

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    Not an ATG for me but I think on this forum he is really underrated.

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    New Delhi: England fast bowler James Anderson became only the second bowler in the history of Tests to take 100 wickets at a single venue after Sri Lanka’s Muttiah Muralitharan, on Sunday.

    During the course of India's second innings at Lord's, opener Murali Vijay became Anderson's 100th victim at the venue. Muralitharan had achieved this feat at three different venues during his career.

    Apart from that Anderson became the first bowler to take 100 wickets at Lord's and is way ahead of compatriot Stuart Broad in the list. Broad has 79 wickets as of now in his kitty at Home of Cricket.

    Anderson’s string of records do not end here. He also became the fifth player ever to take 550 wickets in the longest format of the game and joined the likes of Muralitharan, Shane Warne, Anil Kumble and Glenn McGrath in this list.

    https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/n...s-1842017.html

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    Yes he is an ATG.

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    Off course he is. One of the best swing bowlers off all time the man is class. Not sure why he has not performed as well in one day's.


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    No question

    Ignoramuses can take a hike

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    Poll added. I would say that he is. People can bring up the fact he is a HTB but regardless of that, taking as many wickets as he has is not easy, I would say he will end his career as an ATG.

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    my favorite cricketer of this generation along with steyn

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    In fact stuart broad has been a better tourist than him.
    Actually that isn’t the case overall, if you look at the figures.

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    Great bowler.ATG but a low level ATG,not a top tier ATG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giri26 View Post

    So likes of Botham, 2Ws, Holding, Steyn etc. rate him but for some PPers he is nothing

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    Do people consider Chanderpaul, Dravid, Inzamam, Jayawardene ATGs???? Despite them having 50+ averages, they are still not ATGs. Jimmy Anderson belongs in that category when it comes to bowling. Very very good but still short of an ATG.

    You just have to ask yourself this: Is Anderson worthy enough of rubbing shoulders with the likes of McGrath, Akram, Warne, Marshall??? Nope!!! Wickets are simply not the barometer here to judge who's an ATG. Similarly runs isn't for a batter otherwise Cook would be regarded higher than Lara which would be preposterous isn't it.

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    And one cannot discount Jimmy's away performances. An average of 35 in Australia, 41 in SL, 40 in South Africa, 33 both in New Zealand and India, is hardly consistent with someone who is an ATG.

    If you can discount this, then we should accept home track bullies as ATG when it comes to batsmen as well. Cheteshwar Pujara if he scores 10k+ runs should be an ATG given he averages more than 60 at home but only 34 away. Ridiculous isn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shariqnoor View Post
    And one cannot discount Jimmy's away performances. An average of 35 in Australia, 41 in SL, 40 in South Africa, 33 both in New Zealand and India, is hardly consistent with someone who is an ATG.

    If you can discount this, then we should accept home track bullies as ATG when it comes to batsmen as well. Cheteshwar Pujara if he scores 10k+ runs should be an ATG given he averages more than 60 at home but only 34 away. Ridiculous isn't it.
    As simple as it gets, he is not an atg.
    Dravid, chanders etc had good records in most countries except one or two whereas james anderson has good records in just two countries. Anderson is not even a low tier atg like dravid or chanders.

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    Just to put it into perspective:

    Akram - 17 5fers and 4 10fers in away tests out of a total of 25 5fers and 5 10fers .
    Anderson - 5 5fers and 0 10fers in away tests out of a total of 26 5fers and 3 10fers.

    Yep. Makes complete sense to have Anderson and Akram in the same category as an ATG. *facepalm*


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