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    US cuts military training programmes with Pakistan as Donald Trump cracks down

    WASHINGTON: United States (US) President Donald Trump’s administration has quietly started cutting scores of Pakistani officers from coveted training and educational programmes that have been a hallmark of bilateral military relations for more than a decade, officials say.

    The move, which has not been previously reported, is one of the first known impacts from Trump’s decision this year to suspend US security assistance to Pakistan to compel it to crack down on militants.

    The Pentagon and the Pakistan Army did not comment directly on the decision or the internal deliberations, but officials from both countries privately criticised the move. US officials, speaking to Reuters on the condition of anonymity, said they were worried the decision could undermine a key trust-building measure.

    Pakistani officials warned it could push their military to further look to China or Russia for leadership training. The effective suspension of Pakistan from the US government’s International Military Education and Training program (IMET) will close off places that had been set aside for 66 Pakistani officers this year, a State Department spokesperson told Reuters.

    The places will either be unfilled or given to officers from other countries. Dan Feldman, a former US special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, called the move “very short-sighted and myopic”. “This will have lasting negative impacts limiting the bilateral relationship well into the future,” Feldman told Reuters.

    The State Department spokesperson, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the IMET cancellations were valued at $2.41 million so far. At least two other programmes have also been affected, the spokesperson said. It is unclear precisely what level of military cooperation still continues outside the IMET programme, beyond the top-level contacts between US and Pakistani military leaders.

    The US military has traditionally sought to shield such educational programmes from political tensions, arguing that the ties built by bringing foreign military officers to the United States pay long-term dividends. For example, the US Army’s War College in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, which would normally have two Pakistani military officers per year, boasts graduates including Lieutenant General Naveed Mukhtar, the Director-General Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI).

    The War College, the US Army’s premier school for foreign officers, says it has hosted 37 participants from Pakistan over the past several decades. It will have no Pakistani students in the upcoming academic year, a spokeswoman said. Pakistan has also been removed from programmes at the US Naval War College, Naval Staff College and courses including cybersecurity studies.

    “Lies and deceit”

    In his first tweet of 2018, Trump slammed Pakistan, saying the country has rewarded past US aid with “nothing but lies and deceit.”

    Washington announced plans in January to suspend up to roughly $2 billion in US security assistance to Pakistan. But weeks later, Pakistan’s foreign secretary was quoted by local media saying that Islamabad had been told the US would continue funding IMET programs. Officially allies in fighting terrorism, Pakistan and the United States have a complicated relationship, bound by Washington’s dependence on Pakistan to supply its troops in Afghanistan but plagued by accusations Islamabad is playing a double game.

    Current and former US officials said Defense Secretary Jim Mattis argued against excluding Pakistani officers from IMET courses. “I am shocked… We worked so hard for this to be the one thing that got saved,” said a former US defence official, who was involved in the conversations.

    The Pentagon declined to comment on internal government discussions, but Dana White, a Pentagon spokesperson, said Mattis
    long believed in the value of the IMET programme as a way to build relations between foreign militaries. Senator Mushahid Hussain, chairman of the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, told Reuters that a US decision to cut off such exchanges would be counter-productive and push Pakistan’s military towards other countries.

    “It is one of those silly, punitive measures that they have deployed,” said Hussain. Russia and Pakistan signed an agreement earlier this week that would allow for Pakistani military officers to train at Russian institutes.

    IMET courses have been able to withstand poor relations between the two countries in the past, even after al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was killed in a US Navy SEAL raid in the town of Abbottabad in 2011. A NATO helicopter raid killed 28 Pakistani troops later that year in a friendly fire incident on the Afghan-Pakistan border.

    Feldman said that after the raid, when relations were at a low point, the US limited large security assistance items, but made active efforts to continue the IMET programme.

    Unintended Consequence

    In the 1990’s former U.S. President George H.W. Bush refused to certify that Pakistan did not have nuclear weapons, triggering the so-called “Pressler Amendment” that required cutting off all military assistance. That included IMET courses. “The unintended consequence was we didn’t know a decade of the Pakistani military leadership as well, and therefore couldn’t engage as effectively with them when we needed to,” Feldman said.

    Mattis, in private discussions within the government, had warned that excluding Pakistani officers from IMET courses could contribute to a similar situation in years to come, the former US defence official said. Pakistan had been the largest recipient of IMET between 2003 and 2017, according to the Security Assistance Monitor which tracks US assistance.

    “You can advocate for cutting off everything else and this was the one thing we were not supposed to touch,” the former official said.

    https://tribune.com.pk/story/1777725...-trump-cracks/

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    Sad!


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    Some Trump’s decisions are not in line with anything his cabinet advises... it’s almost like he listens to foxnews and does what they tell him to do.

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    Pentagon is against this decision but well Trump listens to no one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    Some Trump’s decisions are not in line with anything his cabinet advises... it’s almost like he listens to foxnews and does what they tell him to do.
    How does the theory that all US presidents are puppets of the deep state hold in Trump's case?

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    Pakistan should start some drills with Russians and Chinese.

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    It’s hard to trust Pakistan Military Establishment. Who can never make country secure with all the budget and money flowing into them for decades. Only thing they are strengthening with time is how to rule the country one way or the other...

    They have find new creditor in China, who is also complaining about something (law and order) that is their main business to sell public, you need pal

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    It’s hard to trust Pakistan Military Establishment. Who can never make country secure with all the budget and money flowing into them for decades. Only thing they are strengthening with time is how to rule the country one way or the other...

    They have find new creditor in China, who is also complaining about something (law and order) that is their main business to sell public, you need pal
    Yes its much easier to trust the democracy, where billionaire feudal lords get elected to create even more billions at the expense of the public that blindly vote for them.

    In reality, both the civilian and the army has failed Pakistan.

    To blame only the military or to blame only the civilian rule is only half the truth.

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    “It is one of those silly, punitive measures that they have deployed,” said Hussain. Russia and Pakistan signed an agreement earlier this week that would allow for Pakistani military officers to train at Russian institutes.

    Great news and good to hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasir View Post
    It’s hard to trust Pakistan Military Establishment. Who can never make country secure with all the budget and money flowing into them for decades. Only thing they are strengthening with time is how to rule the country one way or the other...

    They have find new creditor in China, who is also complaining about something (law and order) that is their main business to sell public, you need pal
    I rather trust a military who live and work for Pakistan in Pakistan then someone whose skin color would change if there was no tan machine from space. :spaceforce.

    And most of the time you have no idea what you are talking.

    At least try to be quality instead of quantity when it comes to bashing Pakistan
    Last edited by slipcatch; 11th August 2018 at 13:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackanhyellow View Post
    Yes its much easier to trust the democracy, where billionaire feudal lords get elected to create even more billions at the expense of the public that blindly vote for them.

    In reality, both the civilian and the army has failed Pakistan.

    To blame only the military or to blame only the civilian rule is only half the truth.
    Damage done by Military is far greater, you can only done damage from position of strength not weakness....political corruption is all time high by tier 2 politicians, who are part of military democracy, calling them politicians is disservice to that profession. Military is too powerful to let politicians thrive, it’s a rotten env, that has to be fixed first. I see people don’t have any epitite to go after the ones who have created and protected this rotten culture. Pakistan has no future with this culture as mainstream...

    Pakistan has been marching in direction, that is set and steer by Military, politicians has no say in it. There is no real debate about what Pakistan should aspire to do, most people get emotional rather than rational.... Without using rational brain, nobody can make progress in any thing...

    Military ******* should not complain about the condition of Pakistan, this happens when you invest so heavily on boots. We will always be begging, selling law and order to others. I don’t get how people satisfied with such pathetic vision of the country 👺👺👺
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    US's beef with Pakistan started with Shakeel Afridi and Pak military's refusal to release him. This is costing the country alot when it cannot afford it. What is Shakeel worth anyways?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjahmed23 View Post
    US's beef with Pakistan started with Shakeel Afridi and Pak military's refusal to release him. This is costing the country alot when it cannot afford it. What is Shakeel worth anyways?
    We give them Shakil then they will want something else. No more to "do more", enough is enough. The American's can't be trusted. In the long run minimising relations with them will benefit Pak whilst they continue suffering in Afghanistan. Trump is a business man not a politician, he knows nothing about diplomacy or foreign relations. To the military haters here it is coz of them that terrorism in Pak has been reduced significantly. Don't attack them unless you are willing to take bullet's on the chest. The enemies of Pakistan have always wanted a war between the people and the military, if our politicians were sensible and loyal to the country the military would not interfere in affairs. Other country's spend far more on defence then the Pak military does yet I have never heard the likes of the American people complain about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sjahmed23 View Post
    US's beef with Pakistan started with Shakeel Afridi and Pak military's refusal to release him. This is costing the country alot when it cannot afford it. What is Shakeel worth anyways?
    Find another way.
    Dont depend on US. As simple as that. I know its tough , not simple by any means. But it has to be done. Perhaps find a way to arm twist US.

    Syrian economy weakened but surived years of war because it didnt depend on US. Turkish economy is in crisis after 1 tweet by US Prez. Do not depend or trust US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    Find another way.
    Dont depend on US. As simple as that. I know its tough , not simple by any means. But it has to be done. Perhaps find a way to arm twist US.

    Syrian economy weakened but surived years of war because it didnt depend on US. Turkish economy is in crisis after 1 tweet by US Prez. Do not depend or trust US.
    That is not feasible unless you want Pakistan to turn into North Korea or Iran. What other way? go to China for help? China cannot even help itself right now with the US trade war.

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    Current and former US officials said Defense Secretary Jim Mattis argued against excluding Pakistani officers from IMET courses. “I am shocked… We worked so hard for this to be the one thing that got saved,” said a former US defence official, who was involved in the conversations.
    So the Defence Secretary has no say in matters related to the military? Surely, other than the President himself, the Defence Secretary has the most say in matters such as these? And since I doubt that even President Trump would be looking into such level of details, such as two reserved places for the training of Pakistani military officers, this sounds like a very poor piece of journalism.

    I don't doubt that this program has been cut, but "The State Department spokesperson, speaking on the condition of anonymity" sounds like a 5 years olds storybook journalism.


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    ISLAMABAD: Pakistani military officers will receive training in Russian Federation military institutes under a recent agreement signed between the two countries.

    The deal underscores Pakistan’s increasing reliance on Russia for its military needs amid strained relations with the US. It was signed earlier this week during a visit by Russian Deputy Defence Minister Col Gen Alexander Fomin.

    The agreement comes as local media reported the US has stopped financing military training in the US for Pakistani soldiers — a step that Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed called “wrong and counterproductive.”

    Mr Hussain, chairman of the Foreign Affairs committee, said the US is repeating past mistakes through failed policy of trying to bully and browbeat Pakistan with such short-sighted sanctions.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1426557/mi...ning-in-russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    We give them Shakil then they will want something else. No more to "do more", enough is enough. The American's can't be trusted. In the long run minimising relations with them will benefit Pak whilst they continue suffering in Afghanistan. Trump is a business man not a politician, he knows nothing about diplomacy or foreign relations. To the military haters here it is coz of them that terrorism in Pak has been reduced significantly. Don't attack them unless you are willing to take bullet's on the chest. The enemies of Pakistan have always wanted a war between the people and the military, if our politicians were sensible and loyal to the country the military would not interfere in affairs. Other country's spend far more on defence then the Pak military does yet I have never heard the likes of the American people complain about it.
    This sounds like a gareeb ka bacha complaining about things celebrity kids get on their birthday. America can afford all that, Pakistan cannot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arham_PakFan View Post
    ISLAMABAD: Pakistani military officers will receive training in Russian Federation military institutes under a recent agreement signed between the two countries.

    The deal underscores Pakistan’s increasing reliance on Russia for its military needs amid strained relations with the US. It was signed earlier this week during a visit by Russian Deputy Defence Minister Col Gen Alexander Fomin.

    The agreement comes as local media reported the US has stopped financing military training in the US for Pakistani soldiers — a step that Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed called “wrong and counterproductive.”

    Mr Hussain, chairman of the Foreign Affairs committee, said the US is repeating past mistakes through failed policy of trying to bully and browbeat Pakistan with such short-sighted sanctions.

    https://www.dawn.com/news/1426557/mi...ning-in-russia
    So Trump's new policy on Pakistan is resulting in Pakistan falling into the arms of Russia. You reckon Trump's Russian handlers have instructed Trump to do this under Putin's orders? And Trump's doing the same to Turkey.


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    Pakistan is ditching USA assuming the backing of China & Russia. This assumption is misplaced.

    No one can substitute USA when it comes to bailing Pakistan through handouts, aid and IMF loans. The results will be obvious in the very short term. Either by:
    - falling in line/concessions for US (most likely)
    - cuts in govt spending (likely)
    - cuts in defence spending (unlikely)
    - increased deficits -> weaker rupee -> inflation -> ... (very likely)

    As a trailer, look what they did to Turkey in a matter of days!
    Last edited by bond; 12th August 2018 at 12:12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    This sounds like a gareeb ka bacha complaining about things celebrity kids get on their birthday. America can afford all that, Pakistan cannot.
    On the other hand you sound like an American boot licker always eager to impress your masters and akka for some bread crumbs in return! When it comes to protecting your country everything is affordable. Learn from the Prophet(saw) if you are Muslim.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PakLFC View Post
    On the other hand you sound like an American boot licker always eager to impress your masters and akka for some bread crumbs in return! When it comes to protecting your country everything is affordable. Learn from the Prophet(saw) if you are Muslim.
    I can understand how decades of being used and abused by global powers may have led to this "master-slave" relationship look quite natural to Pakistanis, but this is not how international relations work today, not for India at least.

    Btw, what does Pakistan need protection from? When was the last time a country attacked you guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    I can understand how decades of being used and abused by global powers may have led to this "master-slave" relationship look quite natural to Pakistanis, but this is not how international relations work today, not for India at least.

    Btw, what does Pakistan need protection from? When was the last time a country attacked you guys?
    We are talking of Pak here so leave India out! You are right that Pak has been used which is why we have to end this dependency on America! Better to die with dignity then live as slaves. It is not as if India doesn't have problems with other countries or internal ones for that matter. I would say America bombing FATA over the years with Zardari and Sharif's blessings is being attacked! The constant tension with India at the border is also a silent war that can explode at any time. International relations are about self respect, I do not blame outsiders when a country does not respect itself. It is a give and take relationship for sure. So yes we have to end such one sided relationships, permanently.


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