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    If the Haris Sohail saga is any indication, the PCB needs (proper) professional help......

    A seemingly routine injury has been compounded to a possibly career threatening one at the hands of the PCB professionals.

    Haris Sohail should have been back in Pak colours months ago, yet all we hear is news that he is in rehabilitation. His career and age clock is ticking by.

    There is absolute silence from PCB docs on this issue and questions need to be asked about the professional competence of the people involved with PCB who are there to look after such a crucial aspect of the team's well being.

    We recently spoke to Dr. Zafar Iqbal who is used by the top clubs of the football world and one who could have easily been used by the PCB for a second opinion or even as the primary person incharge but seems that has not happened.

    Haris is one example and there might be more in the future. Will the PCB listen?


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    I think our media should also raise their voices on this issue. Our media is oddly quiet on this issue for some reason.

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    Like playing God with someone's career and life. People trust these medical professionals implicitly, they get paid a lot of money and cannot even do a proper diagnoses? And the PCB sent him to Dubai for his knee surgery just to save up on costs, instead of Australia, England e.t.c?

    Absolutely disgraceful stuff. Who is going to hold the PCB accountable for this?

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    well people in arab countries run to India, UK for medical assistance... Pak send him to dubai for surgery...Atleast now they can send him to UK or Australia...saqlain was the first victim i guess and it is now Haris sohail

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    Quote Originally Posted by ask_analyse_act View Post
    well people in arab countries run to India, UK for medical assistance... Pak send him to dubai for surgery...Atleast now they can send him to UK or Australia...saqlain was the first victim i guess and it is now Haris sohail
    First victim was Mohammad Zahid. What a gem he was..

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    Quote Originally Posted by j_kazmi View Post
    I think our media should also raise their voices on this issue. Our media is oddly quiet on this issue for some reason.
    They don't want to lose their free travel to places like England and PSL freebies.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    They don't want to lose their free travel to places like England and PSL freebies.
    you don't really like our media, do you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mz123 View Post
    you don't really like our media, do you ?
    What is there to like about so many of them. Penty to dislike.

    If there is something good I will say it. If there isn't I will highlight it, so people on here know the facts.
    Last edited by Saj; 7th October 2016 at 19:51.



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    Really sad state of affairs. Hopefully we can see him back in Greens

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    The player has to take responsibility as well. Not sure how much of this is PCB only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    The player has to take responsibility as well. Not sure how much of this is PCB only.
    So its the players responsibility if the doctors misdiagnosis his injury, recommends the wrong surgeon, procedure to deal with his injury? You love being obnoxious dont you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaFighter View Post
    So its the players responsibility if the doctors misdiagnosis his injury, recommends the wrong surgeon, procedure to deal with his injury? You love being obnoxious dont you?
    This is what you say that the doctor misdiagnosed.
    All I know is that the PCB paid for all his medical bills and kept him on a contract for a year while he did nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Rose View Post
    This is what you say that the doctor misdiagnosed.
    All I know is that the PCB paid for all his medical bills and kept him on a contract for a year while he did nothing.
    You might be right but truth is everybody is so hush hush about this that nobody knows the concrete facts. Whether it is the PCB's fault or the players, we can't be sure at the moment.

    So far what we know is from a show called Game on Hai on which Rashid Latif is an analyst & he has said on air tha haris had an incorrect surgery

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    I've heard from a couple of people, one of who is a medical expert that Haris' surgery was incorrect.



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    Quote Originally Posted by TQ89 View Post
    You might be right but truth is everybody is so hush hush about this that nobody knows the concrete facts. Whether it is the PCB's fault or the players, we can't be sure at the moment.

    So far what we know is from a show called Game on Hai on which Rashid Latif is an analyst & he has said on air tha haris had an incorrect surgery
    Well obviously something was incorrect. Rashid Latif is prone to sensationalism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I've heard from a couple of people, one of who is a medical expert that Haris' surgery was incorrect.
    But @Saj aren't ACL's very complicated injuries for athletes to come back from, once your ACL goes its very likely it might tear again during rehabilitation or within a few months after making a comeback.

    Michel Owen, Joe Cole, Vidic all tore their ACL's twice within 12 months, some during rehabilitation other after making a comeback.

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    I thought PCB were the good guys considering they were paying for his surgeries and medical treatment in Pakistan and outside Pakistan even though he was a fringe player.

    It would be horrifying to know that some incorrect surgery ruined his situation or something.

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    His injury was one that's career-threatening regardless of what the doctors did.

    Once that ACL gets torn, it will stay weak.

    We've seen similar issues with Derrick Rose in Basketball.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sully3 View Post
    But @Saj aren't ACL's very complicated injuries for athletes to come back from, once your ACL goes its very likely it might tear again during rehabilitation or within a few months after making a comeback.

    Michel Owen, Joe Cole, Vidic all tore their ACL's twice within 12 months, some during rehabilitation other after making a comeback.
    I think the problem here is that too many people "in the know" telling us that there is a problem with the way he was looked after. Money was spent - but was it the right care?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    I think the problem here is that too many people "in the know" telling us that there is a problem with the way he was looked after. Money was spent - but was it the right care?
    Definitely looks like they've compounded an already dire problem to the point of no return.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    I've heard from a couple of people, one of who is a medical expert that Haris' surgery was incorrect.
    What do you mean "incorrect"?

    As in was it done improperly or was he wrongly diagnosed?

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    I think too many people here without knowing anything about the actual injury are trying to put a blame on a party who actually funded the medical process including surgery, rehab, paid sick leave (I am guessing this is the case). There is really no incentive that I can think of on PCB's part for not wanting to have him in the team. Or else they would not have gone through the hassle to start with.

    Having personally gone through this specific injury, I can safely say that I am not surprised with the outcome.

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    He is included in the psl draft .....

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    PCB should really update on his injury status. He is going to be vital after Misbah and YK retire

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    Quote Originally Posted by yusuf.saya View Post
    I think too many people here without knowing anything about the actual injury are trying to put a blame on a party who actually funded the medical process including surgery, rehab, paid sick leave (I am guessing this is the case). There is really no incentive that I can think of on PCB's part for not wanting to have him in the team. Or else they would not have gone through the hassle to start with.

    Having personally gone through this specific injury, I can safely say that I am not surprised with the outcome.
    You are right my friend. Having gone through the injury I can tell you its never a 100%. Not sure what the PCB could have done. I think had he taken care of his fitness and developed his supporting muscles, his knee would have been more stable. He is a pretty unfit fellow when it comes to professional athletes and sadly has paid the price

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    Quote Originally Posted by sully3 View Post
    But @Saj aren't ACL's very complicated injuries for athletes to come back from, once your ACL goes its very likely it might tear again during rehabilitation or within a few months after making a comeback.

    Michel Owen, Joe Cole, Vidic all tore their ACL's twice within 12 months, some during rehabilitation other after making a comeback.
    Haris hasn't played for 18 months. That is worrying and eye-raising.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Haris hasn't played for 18 months. That is worrying and eye-raising.
    This isn't a surprise given 1) the injury and 2) the poor shape he was in regardless

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    I'm sorry, but it's nothing to do with the injury or the player. I have spoken to someone; it is total mismanagement. Nothing to do with the player. Let's just say if Haris was treated in the UK like this, the doctors would be in serious trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Haris hasn't played for 18 months. That is worrying and eye-raising.
    Quote Originally Posted by cricfan14 View Post
    This isn't a surprise given 1) the injury and 2) the poor shape he was in regardless
    Quote Originally Posted by zarak View Post
    You are right my friend. Having gone through the injury I can tell you its never a 100%. Not sure what the PCB could have done. I think had he taken care of his fitness and developed his supporting muscles, his knee would have been more stable. He is a pretty unfit fellow when it comes to professional athletes and sadly has paid the price
    Quote Originally Posted by yusuf.saya View Post
    I think too many people here without knowing anything about the actual injury are trying to put a blame on a party who actually funded the medical process including surgery, rehab, paid sick leave (I am guessing this is the case). There is really no incentive that I can think of on PCB's part for not wanting to have him in the team. Or else they would not have gone through the hassle to start with.

    Having personally gone through this specific injury, I can safely say that I am not surprised with the outcome.
    It is INCOMPETENCE. Read between the lines. The PCB have messed up. If I were Haris, I would take further action. He's had the wrong procedure. Then buffoons on here start criticising the player. Pathetic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricfan14 View Post
    This isn't a surprise given 1) the injury and 2) the poor shape he was in regardless
    It's a huge surprise. 18 months is ludicrous.



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    If Haris' injury was misdiagnosed, he should be looking for compensation.

    Entirely unfair that he misses out on that much cricket because of the incompetence of medical staff.


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    18 months is more than enough time for even a severe injury as an ACL to heal. I'm fairly sure someone screwed up his medical situation. American football players suffer these on a regular basis, and in a much rougher sport contact wise than cricket, many of them do come back, although most of them are not nearly as good as they were.

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    Bunch of villagers trying to run a professional cricket board. This is what happens when 70-80% of the board are all inept, unqualified family members or friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasim_Waqar View Post
    It is INCOMPETENCE. Read between the lines. The PCB have messed up. If I were Haris, I would take further action. He's had the wrong procedure. Then buffoons on here start criticising the player. Pathetic!

    the critics on him being unfit fellow is just blindly blaming the player... He played every single match since his comeback when players are complaining about fitness drills of Waqar and many even got injured after the CWC'15... but Haris continued to play after CWC'15 and still avg 45+
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    There we go.

    After months of being "treated" by PCB docs, Haris is now in the hands of professionals who understand what needs doing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post



    There we go.

    After months of being "treated" by PCB docs, Haris is now in the hands of professionals who understand what needs doing.
    Genuinely curious because I wasn't watching - did he feature during PSL 2015?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Genuinely curious because I wasn't watching - did he feature during PSL 2015?
    There was no psl in 2015.
    He has basically been out since july 2015


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    Okay everyone, settle down.

    For once I - the King of Hype, the Lord of Trolling - would like to calm everybody down.

    Anterior Cruciate Ligament lesions were always career-ending until recently.

    The legendary football manager Brian Clough had to prematurely retire as a footballer because of one.

    Manchester City's greatest home-grown talent of the last 50 years, Paul Lake, saw his career ruined by one. He had advanced surgery for a 1990 injury which was managed horribly badly. He was set dangerous exercises by the physio (running up and down the stadium) and then sent back from a specialist review in Los Angeles in economy class while the club physio enjoyed the extra legroom of Business Class.

    The first high profile success in recovering from this dreadful injury was Ruud Gullit, whose expert surgery by the legendary surgeon Marc Martens in Brussels got him to the 1990 World Cup. Half-fit. Which he was for the rest of his career.

    But even now it is a notoriously difficult injury to recover from. The Colombian striker Radomel Falcao was a megastar when he ruptured his in January 2014. But he rushed his return and has never been the same player since.

    Haris Sohail had an extremely serious injury of a type which was until recently career-ending. There is nothing unusual about his recovery being slow and being partial.

    Not everything is somebody's fault.

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    It would be better that he works with crystal palace a little longer. Even if he recovers asking them to look after his fitness and training regime could be a good idea where he can be overseen by their trainers. He could develop very good fitness under their supervision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varun View Post
    Genuinely curious because I wasn't watching - did he feature during PSL 2015?
    No he didnt, he has been out injured for over a year.

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    Its a massive injury. There are about four small ligaments that help the knee move. Anterior is one of them and ripping them is a long and painful journey to rehabilition. He will need to work hard to be back in the Pakistan team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Okay everyone, settle down.

    For once I - the King of Hype, the Lord of Trolling - would like to calm everybody down.

    Anterior Cruciate Ligament lesions were always career-ending until recently.

    The legendary football manager Brian Clough had to prematurely retire as a footballer because of one.

    Manchester City's greatest home-grown talent of the last 50 years, Paul Lake, saw his career ruined by one. He had advanced surgery for a 1990 injury which was managed horribly badly. He was set dangerous exercises by the physio (running up and down the stadium) and then sent back from a specialist review in Los Angeles in economy class while the club physio enjoyed the extra legroom of Business Class.

    The first high profile success in recovering from this dreadful injury was Ruud Gullit, whose expert surgery by the legendary surgeon Marc Martens in Brussels got him to the 1990 World Cup. Half-fit. Which he was for the rest of his career.

    But even now it is a notoriously difficult injury to recover from. The Colombian striker Radomel Falcao was a megastar when he ruptured his in January 2014. But he rushed his return and has never been the same player since.

    Haris Sohail had an extremely serious injury of a type which was until recently career-ending. There is nothing unusual about his recovery being slow and being partial.

    Not everything is somebody's fault.
    Not sure if I am correct, but if you are a fan professional wrestling, then last year Seth Rollins tore both his MCL, ACL and made a complete recovery in 9 months. Considering how taxing wrestling is on the body I thought that was nothing short of remarkable. Haris should be expected to be fit by now.


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    Haris' career was plagued by medical mismanagement in Pakistan. He had a simple knee issue and the PCB medics were going to retire him and yet only needed simple correct rehab for 6 weeks which he had in England.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    Haris' career was plagued by medical mismanagement in Pakistan. He had a simple knee issue and the PCB medics were going to retire him and yet only needed simple correct rehab for 6 weeks which he had in England.
    There is a reason why the players prefer to go to their doctors, trainers, physios than the ones appointed by the PCB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    There is a reason why the players prefer to go to their doctors, trainers, physios than the ones appointed by the PCB
    True but it's a pathetic state of affairs.

    Some PCB employees are getting a salary when they are incompetent.



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    This may be off point so apologies. Im against privatising any national asset as a matter of principle and the idea behind the public owning assets however living in Pakistan for a few months now (after 30 odd years in the UK) anything goverment run is beyond incompetant. Things which could be done by a 2 line email take at least 5 trips and meetings with some junoed up idiot who thinks he is entitled to wate your time due to his title (which your taxes are paying for). It happens in all goverment departments and anything goverment owned or controlled such as PIA and evidently the PCB. I would bet a huge amount of money on the fact that the previous DR was appointed on the basis of his connections. I don’t see it getting any better with the new goverment either the overseas Pakistan ministry talk the talk but dont resoind to tweets or emails and just keep having meetings and poating picturwa on twitter. As much as I hate to even propose it for the PCB maybe we need to get a professional CEO in who can run it like a business or give it to the army (I am 100% agiant this btw) who for all their faults will out the most meritorious person ahead or just contract it out to some business entity. I had great hopes that IK would fix the PCB but its the same kind of people as per before

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    It's not unprecendented to provide drugs for recovery that are banned by WADA. In that case, the player stays under the radar until the drugs are cleared out of his system and is perceived to be in eternal recovery mode.


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