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    Could Jasprit Bumrah be India's greatest ever bowler?

    The thread might seem a bit premature given that Bumrah is only playing his 5th test. But the guy already has 2 5-fers against England and SA.
    Everyone knows how deadly he is in limited overs.
    Another interesting fact about him is he averages below 25 in each and every format he has played. Not only in international's but even in domestic cricket.
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    And, now this. We never learn, do we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohli, The King of Chase View Post
    And, now this. We never learn, do we?
    What? It's a genuine question.If he stays injury free he has a great chance

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    5 Test matches in helpful conditions don't deserve this thread. Besides, even if he does perform well, I don't see him lasting long playing all 3 formats and the IPL.

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    Need more samples in test to comment. But he has got phenomenal start.

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    Fakhar Zaman thinks otherwise

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    Why are Indians so disrespectful of their own history?

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    Far too early for such questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    5 Test matches in helpful conditions don't deserve this thread. Besides, even if he does perform well, I don't see him lasting long playing all 3 formats and the IPL.
    He is played 72 international matches.

    If we can make a judgement on Babar Azam (79 international matches), we can make a fair enough judgement on Bumrah too.

    And currently he is up there with Cummins, Rabada, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InziRules View Post
    Why are Indians so disrespectful of their own history?
    It's not being disrespectful. This thread seems knee-jerk but isn't just look at his stats. The guy has been performing for sometime in loi's and now has started off on a good note in tests.
    The guy has a sharp cricketing brain along with skills. I don't make this thread for every bowler.

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    I thought you mean fast bowler. India have produced quality spinners there, dont forget.

    And Kapil dev with 400 wickets at 29 was an Indian great with the bowl itself.

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    Without any doubt he is way better than Wasim, Lillee, Waqar etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ab Fan View Post
    I thought you mean fast bowler. India have produced quality spinners there, dont forget.

    And Kapil dev with 400 wickets at 29 was an Indian great with the bowl itself.
    Yes. I meant fast bowler

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    A good indication of someone being genuinely talented is to see if he can transform great domestic performances into great international performances and Bumrah has done that so far.

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    @battler - Aisa thread kyon khola bhai? Now it will be bumped everytime Bumrah fails. Why couldnt you wait till he played atleast 20 tests??

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    He is played 72 international matches.

    If we can make a judgement on Babar Azam (79 international matches), we can make a fair enough judgement on Bumrah too.

    And currently he is up there with Cummins, Rabada, etc.
    I am not one of those "we", nor are most sane Cricket fans.

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    Too early to say anything. Has only played in helpful conditions so far. Asian test awaits.

    One thing is clear though - he should not play T20s for India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canford Cliffs View Post
    @battler - Aisa thread kyon khola bhai? Now it will be bumped everytime Bumrah fails. Why couldnt you wait till he played atleast 20 tests??
    I like making predictions . But more than that I'm genuinely excited to the way Bumrah has taken to test cricket. Let the thread be bumped, if Bumrah is indeed a great bowler he will have the last laugh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketindiafan View Post
    Too early to say anything. Has only played in helpful conditions so far. Asian test awaits.

    One thing is clear though - he should not play T20s for India.
    He will have a more of a supporting role there. Ashwin, jadeja and kuldeep would be our frontline bowlers then. This is his real test where he has to take a majority of the workload

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    I am not one of those "we", nor are most sane Cricket fans.
    Not saying we should have a binding judgement of him. But he's played enough to build a reputation. That was my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    Not saying we should have a binding judgement of him. But he's played enough to build a reputation. That was my point.
    He has built a reputation in shorter formats, without a doubt world's best there.

    Test are different though. Look at Amir, an above average LOI bowler, but won't make most team's Test XI. Let Bumrah play more to pass a judgement in longer format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by battler View Post
    It's not being disrespectful. This thread seems knee-jerk but isn't just look at his stats. The guy has been performing for sometime in loi's and now has started off on a good note in tests.
    The guy has a sharp cricketing brain along with skills. I don't make this thread for every bowler.
    So you're saying he's potentially better than Bedi? Better than Kumble? Better than Kapil Dev? Better than Zaheer Khan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canford Cliffs View Post
    @battler - Aisa thread kyon khola bhai? Now it will be bumped everytime Bumrah fails. Why couldnt you wait till he played atleast 20 tests??
    It's not even sensible.


    Even if you set aside Zaheer and Kapil Dev for some bizarre reason, India has produced some of the greatest spinners in the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by InziRules View Post
    So you're saying he's potentially better than Bedi? Better than Kumble? Better than Kapil Dev? Better than Zaheer Khan?
    I meant fast bowler.

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    What has been the average scores in tests by teams in in those 4-5 tests?


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    He has been good , but he needs to play more tests before this question can be answered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    What has been the average scores in tests by teams in in those 4-5 tests?
    235 across 16 innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by battler View Post
    235 across 16 innings.
    So batsmen are averaging 23 per wicket. Let's see his performance on batting friendly wickets.


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    Actually very possible.

    If he doesn't fade, very possible.

    He is way different from other Indian pacers.

    Fingers crossed.

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    Very good bowler. But can he sustain he’s pace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffet View Post
    So batsmen are averaging 23 per wicket. Let's see his performance on batting friendly wickets.
    Mostly batting friendly wickets these days are produced only in Aus and to some extent Nz. India don't play in the Uae. Srilankan and west indian pitches offer decent help for both seamers and spinners and Indian wickets are spin friendly.
    So your implying that performing in Aus would give us a better indication?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sensible-indian-fan View Post
    Actually very possible.

    If he doesn't fade, very possible.

    He is way different from other Indian pacers.

    Fingers crossed.
    Finally someone who agrees lol. I think the main challenge for him will be to manage workload.
    Otherwise he's got all the skills and a good cricketing brain to boot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by battler View Post
    Mostly batting friendly wickets these days are produced only in Aus and to some extent Nz. India don't play in the Uae. Srilankan and west indian pitches offer decent help for both seamers and spinners and Indian wickets are spin friendly.
    So your implying that performing in Aus would give us a better indication?
    Yes and many more pitches are flat as well. We will see those pitches everywhere time to time.


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    don't know why people are praising him...every ball he bowls, is a no-ball and will prove costly for India as it did in last CT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by in_cutter View Post
    Very good bowler. But can he sustain he’s pace?
    I saw an interview with Shoaib on Breakfast with Champions. There he was talking about his own bowling and comparing it to Bumrah. He said they both have hyperflexing arms in their action so over time the arm will get stronger and his pace will actually increase.

    If Bumrah stays injury free, we might see him regularly bowling 150k when he is 28-29 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    He has built a reputation in shorter formats, without a doubt world's best there.

    Test are different though. Look at Amir, an above average LOI bowler, but won't make most team's Test XI. Let Bumrah play more to pass a judgement in longer format.
    Fair enough.

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    Not too difficult to become India's greatest bowler ever.

    Shami, BK, Bumrah, Ashwin ... all have a shot at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummii View Post
    Without any doubt he is way better than Wasim, Lillee, Waqar etc
    Read the title again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canford Cliffs View Post
    @battler - Aisa thread kyon khola bhai? Now it will be bumped everytime Bumrah fails. Why couldnt you wait till he played atleast 20 tests??
    The thread is for ATG Indian bowler, not Asian or something else.

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    Yes he can be - I believe India has a gem of a bowler. I am highly impressed with him.

    He has Good pace, moves the ball ways off the wicket and in the air.
    His bouncer is intimidating and has a good slower ball. Plus his Yorker is very decent as gets the late reverse swing.

    Now his action and small run up may not be very pleasing to the purists but really does that matter in the end ?? Infact it’s all the remarkable given that he’s very accurate inspite of it.

    My only minor criticism is that sometimes his body language looks a bit meek. I think he can show a bit more aggression.
    Also he had a no ball problem but I think he has solved that now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 90MPH View Post
    Yes he can be - I believe India has a gem of a bowler. I am highly impressed with him.

    He has Good pace, moves the ball ways off the wicket and in the air.
    His bouncer is intimidating and has a good slower ball. Plus his Yorker is very decent as gets the late reverse swing.

    Now his action and small run up may not be very pleasing to the purists but really does that matter in the end ?? Infact it’s all the remarkable given that he’s very accurate inspite of it.

    My only minor criticism is that sometimes his body language looks a bit meek. I think he can show a bit more aggression.
    Also he had a no ball problem but I think he has solved that now.
    He hasn't solved the no ball problem yet. He got Root out off a no ball today. Didn't cost India that much though. But problem still exists.

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    Yes but wont be an international great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    Yes but wont be an international great.
    As long as he helps India stay Number one, does it matter?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    As long as he helps India stay Number one, does it matter?
    India aint no 1 in odis even thou Bumrah is no 1 odi bowler.

    In tests no 1 has more to do with Ashwin, Jadeja, Kohli and Pujara.


    Sarfi as captain'll lead us to glory.Babar'll be our best odi bat & Haris'll be world class in tests

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    he is phenomenal in the death overs!


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    Best all formats bowler in the world currently

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    what a champ

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    Terrific bowling, kept firing in those yorkers with unnerving accuracy. You can say Nawaz and Shadab should've tried different shots but many batsmen will struggle to hit some of those deliveries to the fence.

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    An asset to have in death overs.

    Seems like nations are taking turns with having yorker specialists.

    First Gul

    Then Malinga

    And now Bumrah

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    Continues to impress. #ThankYouIPL

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    Continues to impress. #ThankYouIPL
    #ThankYouIPL

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    I guess he is already the greatest in LOIs. Dont remember Indian pacer being no1 and having such stats

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    An asset to have in death overs.

    Seems like nations are taking turns with having yorker specialists.

    First Gul

    Then Malinga

    And now Bumrah
    Malinga did help Bumrah to master art of Yorker bowling during IPL stint for MI.

    Credit where it's due #IPL

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    Even Pak coach mentioned how Bumrah makes a difference in this team. He has truly gone to the next level.

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    He should aim for higher, he can become the 1st all format fast bowling ATG of cricket.

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    He will be next Wasim in India!!!

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    At the moment Anil Kumble is still India's best bowler of all time.


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    After 40 matches bowling average of 21 with E/R 4.5 in this era of ODI cricket is astonishing. Moreover he bowls a lot in the death giving his E/R a whole new dimension. I hope he stays injury free next June.

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    Not even a couple of years in cricket. Lets all relax and enjoy this. After 5 years we can get back to this.

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    There is no perfect bowling action in cricket, says India pacer Jasprit Bumrah

    India pacer Jasprit Bumrah continues to be unfazed by pundits observing that he is susceptible to picking up injuries if he continues bowling with his unorthodox style.

    “I don’t focus on what the experts are saying or not,” Bumrah said. “I focus on what has helped me and and I try to focus on my body and what do I need to keep myself fit. There is no perfect action in cricket. Tell me a bowler, like that, who has not got injured. I focus on how to improve my fitness levels,” the 24-year-old added.

    After a grueling England tour, Bumrah has been given a break, and will not be a part of the first two One-day Internationals against West Indies. The pacer, though, is expected to be one of the mainstays in the Indian side as they chase their first series win in Australia.

    Bumrah is expected to back Down Under next month, where he had his first taste of international cricket. He said it was too soon to comment on the conditions. “There is always bounce there but Australia now a days is known for high-scoring games well. I am not focusing too much ahead, I am focusing on whatever the next match I play. That’s always been my philosophy.”

    “When I reach Australia, I will assess the wickets. Because sometimes going there with pre-conceived notions and then it doesn’t happen, so you are in no space. I’ll go there, see the conditions and plan according to that,” he said.

    India will play a four-match Test series, with the first Test at Adelaide on December 6. Bumrah also lauded India’s bowling coach Bharat Arun, stating that communicating with him helped his game. “You discuss plans with your bowling coach. That communication has been good. I had done one U-19 camp under him and he knows my bowling. It is always good when you have an experienced coach, who knows your strengths and weaknesses.”

    With the Ravi Shastri and Virat Kohli rotating their pace battery to manage their workload, Bumrah is not complaining. “It is always good to have a break. Whenever you return from the break, the hunger is back, the body is fresh, you are up and running in good spirit,” he said.

    Bumrah, however did not comment on the ongoing controversy surrounding the use of SG balls in Tests in India. Skipper Kohli and off-spinner Ravichandran Ashwin have expressed their displeasure with using the SG ball at home.

    https://scroll.in/field/898665/there...jasprit-bumrah

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelance_cricketer View Post
    Not even a couple of years in cricket. Lets all relax and enjoy this. After 5 years we can get back to this.
    Actually it's almost 3 years. He made his debut in January, 2016.

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    If he is the “greatest” bowler Ind have ever had what does that say about there 100+ years history of cricket!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarfiBabarHaris View Post
    India aint no 1 in odis even thou Bumrah is no 1 odi bowler.

    In tests no 1 has more to do with Ashwin, Jadeja, Kohli and Pujara.
    Eh, that's because India has minnow level middle order. It's literally making them lose matches now. India would be no.1 if the middle order was half as good as England's. The top order is legendary atm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by battler View Post
    The thread might seem a bit premature given that Bumrah is only playing his 5th test. But the guy already has 2 5-fers against England and SA.
    Everyone knows how deadly he is in limited overs.
    Another interesting fact about him is he averages below 25 in each and every format he has played. Not only in international's but even in domestic cricket.
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    Why only India's? The world's best. Ever.

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    Current stats
    Bumrah Mat Wkts Ave Econ SR 4w 5w
    Tests 6 28 25.57 2.91 52.6 0 2
    ODIs 41 72 21.77 4.54 28.7 3 1
    T20 35 43 19.93 6.79 17.6 0 0


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    Reportedly bowled the fastest ball of the match - 153.26kph

    If true that is seriously quick!


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    Wasn't at his best at all in the first two spells. And yet, just look at his figures. He's a bowler who *always* provides control, even when he isn't taking wicket. Contrast that with someone like Shami or Ishant or even Starc who turn into serious liabilities when they lose their radar.

    Thank you IPL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMSS View Post
    Wasn't at his best at all in the first two spells. And yet, just look at his figures. He's a bowler who *always* provides control, even when he isn't taking wicket. Contrast that with someone like Shami or Ishant or even Starc who turn into serious liabilities when they lose their radar.

    Thank you IPL!
    Any idea why did Bumrah reduced his run up? I mean until last year he used to have much longer run up, now he just take 5 steps which puts all pressure on shoulders to generate pace. Don't see him lasting long with that action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canford Cliffs View Post
    Any idea why did Bumrah reduced his run up? I mean until last year he used to have much longer run up, now he just take 5 steps which puts all pressure on shoulders to generate pace. Don't see him lasting long with that action.
    Didnt Wasim do it as well.

    I heard in an interview that Wasim reduced his pace and it didnt affect his pace and neither did it put additional stress on his body. So its possible for pace bowlers to reduce the run up and maintain pace without injuring oneself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    Didnt Wasim do it as well.

    I heard in an interview that Wasim reduced his pace and it didnt affect his pace and neither did it put additional stress on his body. So its possible for pace bowlers to reduce the run up and maintain pace without injuring oneself.
    amazing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    Didnt Wasim do it as well.

    I heard in an interview that Wasim reduced his pace and it didnt affect his pace and neither did it put additional stress on his body. So its possible for pace bowlers to reduce the run up and maintain pace without injuring oneself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oligochaetes View Post
    amazing...
    haha...typo

    I meant

    I heard in an interview that Wasim reduced his run up and it didnt affect his pace and neither did it put additional stress on his body. So its possible for pace bowlers to reduce the run up and maintain pace without injuring oneself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidilicious View Post
    Didnt Wasim do it as well.

    I heard in an interview that Wasim reduced his pace and it didnt affect his pace and neither did it put additional stress on his body. So its possible for pace bowlers to reduce the run up and maintain pace without injuring oneself.
    Wasim was a medium pacer after reducing run up. When Wasim used to bowl fast, he had a much longer run up (1992 WC for eg). Bumrah didnt compromise on pace and still bowls 145+ but with short burst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canford Cliffs View Post
    Any idea why did Bumrah reduced his run up? I mean until last year he used to have much longer run up, now he just take 5 steps which puts all pressure on shoulders to generate pace. Don't see him lasting long with that action.
    Hadlee (heard) and Wasim (seen live) are 2 examples who clicked 140+ consistently with a reduced run up. In fact Wasim even urged Shoaib to reduce his run up to increase his longevity which went unheard and hence Rawalpindi Express had a short career (knee injury). It is a wrong notion that a bowler needs airplane style run up to generate pace, what matters is rhythm, momentum, final flourish, follow through, strength, whip like motion, mentality etc. Maybe Bumrah has learnt to get his velocity up over a shorter distance. This will protect his lower body, especially knees in the long run.

    Moreover sports is all about compromise, it is a given that an athlete will develop injuries to his body. Point is where? Nadal damaged his knees, Djokovic his elbow, Murray his hip and Federer his back - all because of their varying playing styles. If Bumrah feels he has strong shoulders and weaker lower body, he will try to optimize his run up/action to account for all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canford Cliffs View Post
    Any idea why did Bumrah reduced his run up? I mean until last year he used to have much longer run up, now he just take 5 steps which puts all pressure on shoulders to generate pace. Don't see him lasting long with that action.
    He did have a marginally longer run-up. No idea why he reduced it. But it's moot because he never was bowler who relied on momentum from run-up to generate pace. It was always his shoulder.

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    In terms of pace, he is matching Starc. Very fine bowler.

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    he is a very good bowler don't really like his action he puts me to sleep with that ugly action. He is one of the best going around though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Reportedly bowled the fastest ball of the match - 153.26kph

    If true that is seriously quick!
    It's amazing how he generates such pace with a weird short Ostrich type run up and an action hard to explain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Romali_rotti View Post
    It's amazing how he generates such pace with a weird short Ostrich type run up and an action hard to explain.
    And he keeps bowling quick match after match, irrespective of the format. Ugly action, but such effortless pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackShadow View Post
    And he keeps bowling quick match after match, irrespective of the format. Ugly action, but such effortless pace.
    Cant wait to see him at Perth on the newly laid fast bouncy track..


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    What a gun bowler this guy is! Team needs to desperately strike and he strikes not once but twice!


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