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    PM orders 'comprehensive' security plan for Zaireen visiting holy sites in Iran, Iraq

    ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan Sunday directed that a comprehensive action plan should be chalked out in consultation with all the stakeholders within 48 hours for the security of Zaireen (pilgrims) visiting Iran, Iraq and other holy places during the upcoming month of Muharram.

    He observed that the security of the Zaireen visitng holy places abroad was the foremost priority and no effort should be spared in providing fool-proof security to them and ensuring their proper facilitation.

    The prime minister issued directives in a meeting held on the issue of security and facilitation of the Zaireen here at the Prime Minister’s Office.

    The meeting was attended by Balochistan Chief Minister Jam Kamal Khan, Minister of State for Interior Shahryar Afridi, secretary to the prime minister, secretary interior, secretary religious affairs, Balochistan chief secretary and senior government officers, PM Office media wing in a press release said.

    The prime minister directed that immigration counters at Pak-Iran border should be enhanced to facilitate Zaireen through speedy immigration process.

    He further directed that a permanent mechanism should also be evolved to streamline the entire operations of Zaireen for future.

    In this context, the prime minister directed the minister of state for interior to coordinate with the Balochistan chief minister and other stakeholders, including the security forces and ministry of religious affairs, in streamlining the process and ensure provision of maximum facilitation to the visiting Zaireen.

    He further directed that a comprehensive time bound action plan with delineated responsibilities might be submitted for his approval to regulate the matter.

    https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/36...s-in-iran-iraq


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    Why don't they just fly?

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    This move will be greatly appreciated by the Shia community in Pakistan. Countless numbers of buses carrying pilgrims to Mashhad have been stopped in Balochistan, people have been slaughtered in mass for simply being Shia. It's about time that the government takes notice, and ensures the security of the pilgrims.

    The Pakistani government needs to accept that there is a Shia genocide happening in Balochistan and in the Tribal Areas, and they need to accept that there is a culture of intolerence and hate towards Shias embedded in Pakistani society. These problems need to be addressed, it isn't possible to allow people to misunderstand and feel so much hate towards a group that makes up 20% of Pakistan's entire population. It should be a crime to spread lies about minority beliefs, because these lies are the reason people hate Shias in Pakistan. The things that many Sunni Pakistanis believe about Shias are absolutely crazy, such misinformation must be tackled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    Why don't they just fly?
    Not everyone can afford to buy plane tickets, a lot of this pilgrims are not very well off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hussain.r97 View Post
    This move will be greatly appreciated by the Shia community in Pakistan. Countless numbers of buses carrying pilgrims to Mashhad have been stopped in Balochistan, people have been slaughtered in mass for simply being Shia. It's about time that the government takes notice, and ensures the security of the pilgrims.

    The Pakistani government needs to accept that there is a Shia genocide happening in Balochistan and in the Tribal Areas, and they need to accept that there is a culture of intolerence and hate towards Shias embedded in Pakistani society. These problems need to be addressed, it isn't possible to allow people to misunderstand and feel so much hate towards a group that makes up 20% of Pakistan's entire population. It should be a crime to spread lies about minority beliefs, because these lies are the reason people hate Shias in Pakistan. The things that many Sunni Pakistanis believe about Shias are absolutely crazy, such misinformation must be tackled.
    Here here. POTW material. As a Sunni, it's absolutely shameful. Having good relations with Iran can only be good for Pakistan. Empowering our Shia community to open up links and trade and build on relations between the two countries is a win-win. Could be absolutely huge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim_khan View Post
    Here here. POTW material. As a Sunni, it's absolutely shameful. Having good relations with Iran can only be good for Pakistan. Empowering our Shia community to open up links and trade and build on relations between the two countries is a win-win. Could be absolutely huge.
    Around 500,000 Shias visit Masshad every year despite the difficulty in getting to Masshad. If Pakistan and Iran build on their relationships, there is massive economic potential. There are about 40-50million Shias in Pakistan, and the majority long to go to Iran and Iraq for Ziyarat of all the holy sites.


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    I am also a sunni and hope that the culprits of these heinous crimes are caught and hanged. Let the Shia PK's feel safe in visiting their shrines and this is a start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hussain.r97 View Post
    Around 500,000 Shias visit Masshad every year despite the difficulty in getting to Masshad. If Pakistan and Iran build on their relationships, there is massive economic potential. There are about 40-50million Shias in Pakistan, and the majority long to go to Iran and Iraq for Ziyarat of all the holy sites.
    I don't understand why they have to go through a lawless territory and put themselves at risk. The place is open to nefarious characters, and it's impossible to protect.

    It's barely an hour or so plane ride to Mashhad from Pakistan. There is a massive opportunity for someone to provide cheap flights to these places.... pia take note. Ryanair whole business model is built on this.

    Why doesn't Iran build a small airport outside mashad.... the number of tourists will go through the roof. If you make it easier, cheaper, secure and comfortable, the 500,000 will be a drop in the ocean. The Iranians are missing out on a religious tourist boom from Pakistan.

    Right now the journey must be absolutely torturous on coaches for days at an end.

    Is there a train/s that goes from Iran to Karabala in Iraq, or is it all on buses and coaches?

    Iraq should build airport close enough to the shrines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    I don't understand why they have to go through a lawless territory and put themselves at risk. The place is open to nefarious characters, and it's impossible to protect.

    It's barely an hour or so plane ride to Mashhad from Pakistan. There is a massive opportunity for someone to provide cheap flights to these places.... pia take note. Ryanair whole business model is built on this.

    Why doesn't Iran build a small airport outside mashad.... the number of tourists will go through the roof. If you make it easier, cheaper, secure and comfortable, the 500,000 will be a drop in the ocean. The Iranians are missing out on a religious tourist boom from Pakistan.

    Right now the journey must be absolutely torturous on coaches for days at an end.

    Is there a train/s that goes from Iran to Karabala in Iraq, or is it all on buses and coaches?

    Iraq should build airport close enough to the shrines.
    I absolutely agree that it is a big risk to go through that lawless territory, and I personally would not do it even if I didn't have the money to fly. The thing is that the people who are currently going by road see it as a duty to go and visit the shrines, they think of it as something almost as important as Hajj. When people have that level of 'faith', it's hard to stop them, even if they are clearly risking their lives.

    If there were cheap flights or a train, I have absolutely no doubt that the number of Shia Pakistanis visiting Masshad would go through the roof, especially on the Wafat and Wiladat of Imam Raza. In an ideal world for the Shia pilgrimage, there would be a high speed train network connecting Karachi/Lahore/Islamabad to Quetta, then to Masshad - Tehran - Qom - Karbala/Najaf - Damascus. Of course, there are multiple factors that won't allow that to happen anytime soon, but PIA can easily just start cheap pilgrimage flights.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hussain.r97 View Post
    I absolutely agree that it is a big risk to go through that lawless territory, and I personally would not do it even if I didn't have the money to fly. The thing is that the people who are currently going by road see it as a duty to go and visit the shrines, they think of it as something almost as important as Hajj. When people have that level of 'faith', it's hard to stop them, even if they are clearly risking their lives.

    If there were cheap flights or a train, I have absolutely no doubt that the number of Shia Pakistanis visiting Masshad would go through the roof, especially on the Wafat and Wiladat of Imam Raza. In an ideal world for the Shia pilgrimage, there would be a high speed train network connecting Karachi/Lahore/Islamabad to Quetta, then to Masshad - Tehran - Qom - Karbala/Najaf - Damascus. Of course, there are multiple factors that won't allow that to happen anytime soon, but PIA can easily just start cheap pilgrimage flights.
    I am sure the amount of money you spend on food and travel to Mashhad will be roughly equivalent to a cheap flight ticket ala the Ryanair model..... I am sure there is an opportunity for a thriving no frills airline.

    Why is Imam Raza held in such reverence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle_Eye View Post
    I am sure the amount of money you spend on food and travel to Mashhad will be roughly equivalent to a cheap flight ticket ala the Ryanair model..... I am sure there is an opportunity for a thriving no frills airline.
    Definitely with you on that one. No frills flights to Masshad, Qom, and Karbala can easily be arranged by PIA, and I am sure it would be an instant hit. Cheap flights should also be opened to place like Tehran, Shiraz, Isfahan, Tabriz, etc, it would open an outlet for all other Pakistanis to visit Iran for touristic purposes.

    It can also be reciprocated, with tourism to Pakistan promoted across Iran, and direct flights to Islamabad, Lahore, and Karachi. It would be great for Pakistan, as Iran is right next door, so it would be very easy for Iranians to come and visit Pakistan. At the moment, the only country most Iranians visit is neighbouring Armenia (mainly those living around Tehran, Tabriz, Isfahan). If Pakistan really promotes tourism in Iran, it would really open a whole new bag of possibilities for Iranians, especially those living around Shiraz, Masshad, and Bandar Abbas. Such a move would really give Pakistan a solid economic boost.

    Why is Imam Raza held in such reverence?
    Basically, Shia believe that the "light of Mohammad" (metaphorical) was one of the first things God created. The light is a symbol of the Prophet's knowledge and purity, and Shia believe that this light was also "transmitted" to all twelve Imams (all descended from Mohammad through his daughter, Fatima, and Imam Ali), making them pure, knowledgeable, and making them the ones who were meant to further the cause of Islam. Imam Raza is the 8th of these Imams.

    Just briefly about his life:
    The Abbasid Caliphate were seen as usurpers of power by the Shia (who thought that the Imams are the rightful leaders), and thus, the Caliph of the time, Mamun-ur-Rashid decided to make Imam Raza crown prince in an attempt to gain legitimacy and silence any Shia rebellion. This move actually made the Shia more popular. In response, Mamun tried many things to discredit the Imam. One of these things was inviting all sorts of people, Muslim, non-Muslim, to debate the Imam and discredit him. This did not work, Imam Raza won all his debates, and Mamun's court literally turned into a debate hall with people from everywhere coming to watch and listen. This move also ended up making the Shia more popular. Some of the debates turned out to be great and are now very famous debates.

    Mamun was Persian backed, and many of his moves angered the Arab lobby in the empire. These moves included making Imam Raza the crown prince, and changing the Abbassid black standard to green, in honour of the Imam. Eventually, the Arab lobby decided to hatch a plan to depose Mamun, and install his uncle, Ibrahim, onto the throne. Mamun eventually poisoned Imam Raza in a place called "Tus", near Masshad.


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    Someone called Mamun causing issues, what else is new.

    Thanks for the history lesson Hussain bro, intriguing stuff.

    And totally agree with the reciprocal cheap flights between Iran/Pakistan. This tourist boom could be huge, after all you want to go somewhere you're liked and respected. we need to start a funding site similar to the Chief Justice one for the dam for Pakpassion budget airline. Admins make it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hussain.r97 View Post
    Definitely with you on that one. No frills flights to Masshad, Qom, and Karbala can easily be arranged by PIA, and I am sure it would be an instant hit. Cheap flights should also be opened to place like Tehran, Shiraz, Isfahan, Tabriz, etc, it would open an outlet for all other Pakistanis to visit Iran for touristic purposes.

    It can also be reciprocated, with tourism to Pakistan promoted across Iran, and direct flights to Islamabad, Lahore, and Karachi. It would be great for Pakistan, as Iran is right next door, so it would be very easy for Iranians to come and visit Pakistan. At the moment, the only country most Iranians visit is neighbouring Armenia (mainly those living around Tehran, Tabriz, Isfahan). If Pakistan really promotes tourism in Iran, it would really open a whole new bag of possibilities for Iranians, especially those living around Shiraz, Masshad, and Bandar Abbas. Such a move would really give Pakistan a solid economic boost.



    Basically, Shia believe that the "light of Mohammad" (metaphorical) was one of the first things God created. The light is a symbol of the Prophet's knowledge and purity, and Shia believe that this light was also "transmitted" to all twelve Imams (all descended from Mohammad through his daughter, Fatima, and Imam Ali), making them pure, knowledgeable, and making them the ones who were meant to further the cause of Islam. Imam Raza is the 8th of these Imams.

    Just briefly about his life:
    The Abbasid Caliphate were seen as usurpers of power by the Shia (who thought that the Imams are the rightful leaders), and thus, the Caliph of the time, Mamun-ur-Rashid decided to make Imam Raza crown prince in an attempt to gain legitimacy and silence any Shia rebellion. This move actually made the Shia more popular. In response, Mamun tried many things to discredit the Imam. One of these things was inviting all sorts of people, Muslim, non-Muslim, to debate the Imam and discredit him. This did not work, Imam Raza won all his debates, and Mamun's court literally turned into a debate hall with people from everywhere coming to watch and listen. This move also ended up making the Shia more popular. Some of the debates turned out to be great and are now very famous debates.

    Mamun was Persian backed, and many of his moves angered the Arab lobby in the empire. These moves included making Imam Raza the crown prince, and changing the Abbassid black standard to green, in honour of the Imam. Eventually, the Arab lobby decided to hatch a plan to depose Mamun, and install his uncle, Ibrahim, onto the throne. Mamun eventually poisoned Imam Raza in a place called "Tus", near Masshad.
    Thanks for the info. Nice to see reasoned debates in place of mass killings, though the ending was a downer.

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    good stuff by the PM.


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