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    Asia Cup - India vs Pakistan: The times have changed, personnel have changed but the rivalry remains

    Growing up in the 90’s, India-Pakistan rivalry was synonymous with UAE. This was the decade when UAE was a buzzing cricketing destination and a match between the arch-rivals was the biggest draw. India then at the start of the millennium had decided that they will no longer play in the UAE, and the Asia Cup 2018 will be kind of a comeback for them after almost two decades.

    The cricket relations between the two teams haven’t improved much. The Asian cricketing giants no longer meet each other regularly. Cricket matches between the neighbouring countries have now been relegated to only ICC events. The last time the two teams met was over a year ago in the Champions Trophy final where Pakistan hammered the Indian team by 180 runs to win the title.




    Both the teams over the last year or so have been building towards the World Cup 2019. While Pakistan have been investing heavily in youth, India have stuck with their old guard.

    The Pakistan team has identified and backed some good young cricketers. Fakhar Zaman, Shadab Khan, Faheem Ashraf, Shaheen Shah Afridi and Usman Khan Shinwari have all flourished under the new leadership team of Mickey Arthur and Sarfaraz Ahmed. The Pakistan bowling attack is looking stronger than ever with the experience of Mohammad Amir leading the pace attack. The batting too led by Fakhar Zaman and Babar Azam has some good young players supported by the experience of Shoaib Malik and captain Sarfaraz Ahmed.

    Even though Pakistan's bowling has been brilliant over the past year or so, their batting still has a question mark. Fakhar Zaman has carried Pakistan batting for over a year now since his debut and it will be interesting to see if the rest of the batting has the firepower if they lose him early. Imam-ul-Haq and Asif Ali lack experience at this level and Haris Sohail is on a comeback trail.

    Since the Champions Trophy finals in 2017, the Pakistan ODI batting has not been that dissimilar to the Indian one. The top 3 have scored heavily but the middle order has largely struggled. Fakhar Zaman with an average of 81 and SR of 98 has been the key player for Pakistan. Babar Azam has been brilliant as well with an average of 57.55 but has been striking only at 78.48. Imam-ul-Haq in his short career has scored 544 runs at an average of 68 and Strike Rate of 88. Shoaib Malik and Sarfaraz Ahmed average 31 and 17 respectively during that time which will be a worrying statistic for the Pakistan camp. Shadab Khan has been lower down the order but has done well averaging 48. Even though Asif Ali and Haris Sohail have done well, their sample size is too small to make a call.

    The Indian team on the other hand will be missing Virat Kohli for the Asia Cup. Rohit Sharma will be leading the side and will have Shikhar Dhawan and MS Dhoni to support him. Unlike Pakistan, India haven’t been experimenting too much with their limited overs sides. The bowling, though, has a settled look with Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Jasprit Bumrah returning to the team along with the spin twins Kuldeep Yadav and Yuzvendra Chahal.

    The Indian batting has had similar problems to Pakistan. The Indian middle order has been non-existent and the top 3 have scored the majority of the runs over the last year or so. Captain Virat Kohli has had a phenomenal run in ODIs since the Champions Trophy averaging 88.30 at a strike-rate of 97.5. Rohit Sharma and Shikhar Dhawan average over 50 during the same period with strike rates over a 100. The rest of the batting, however, has not been consistent enough. Even though the stats show MS Dhoni averaging 58 during that time, his strike rate has been under 80. Virat Kohli will be sorely missed and the pressure on Dhawan and Rohit will be immense.


    Key Players:

    Fakhar Zaman (PAK):
    The statistic mentioned above clearly proves that Fakhar Zaman is the most important player for Pakistan. He not only scores quickly but is extremely consistent which has served Pakistan well over the last year or so. Fakhar’s importance in this Pakistan team cannot be understated and he once again will be hoping to have a great series with the bat.

    Kuldeep Yadav & Yuzvendra Chahal (IND): On wickets which are expected to be slow and low, the spin twins from India will be crucial in the middle overs. Over the last year and a half, they both have accounted for 87 wickets at a combined average of 22.45 at a strike rate of 27.6. They have been extremely crucial for India’s success over this time and will once again be the important for India’s campaign.


    Pakistan who have been playing their home games in UAE since 2009 start as slight favourites ahead of the tournament. India without their captain will have to dig deep to challenge a confident Pakistan team.

    When the teams lock horns on September 19th, there will be a strong sense of nostalgia for the fans who grew up watching cricket in the UAE. The times have changed, personnel have changed but the rivalry remains.
    Last edited by Abdullah719; 5th September 2018 at 23:02.

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    If India relies on their spinners then the outcome can be similar to CT final, if they rely on their pacers then outcome can be similar to CT group game.


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    Can't wait for Sarfraz to own the Indian spinners

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    If India relies on their spinners then the outcome can be similar to CT final, if they rely on their pacers then outcome can be similar to CT group game.
    I think Kuldeep and Chahal will be crucial in the middle overs. I don't think Pakistan middle order will be able to target them as easily like they did with Ashwin and Jadeja. The key for Pakistan will be what will happen if India manage to get Fakhar Zaman for a cheap score. None of the other Pakistan batsman over the last year or so have an average and SR as good as him. Sarfaraz and Malik have had very poor last year. Sarfaraz especially averaging 17 with the bat. If Zaman gets out early, I predict Pakistan struggling against the wrist spinners.

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    I just love Pakistan vs India. You feel like every single desi gets involved. Even the ones who don't give two hoots about cricket. It unites all Pakistanis and unites all Indians. Whether you're from Karachi, Lahore or Islamabad, you will support Pakistan, likewise if you are from Delhi, Mumbai or Chennai, you will be supporting India. All the celebrities also get involved too. And the match day feeling is just something else. You put on a Pakistani/Indian news channel that's all they talk about.

    As for this tournament, I still think either team can win. India without Kohli can still beat us, it seems the CT win has made some of our fans forget it's India who have dominated us in tournaments, even when we've been favourites against them, they would still smash us. So my simple message to Pakistani fans would be this:

    Don't get too cocky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giri26 View Post
    I think Kuldeep and Chahal will be crucial in the middle overs. I don't think Pakistan middle order will be able to target them as easily like they did with Ashwin and Jadeja. The key for Pakistan will be what will happen if India manage to get Fakhar Zaman for a cheap score. None of the other Pakistan batsman over the last year or so have an average and SR as good as him. Sarfaraz and Malik have had very poor last year. Sarfaraz especially averaging 17 with the bat. If Zaman gets out early, I predict Pakistan struggling against the wrist spinners.
    Nice Negative analysis of Pakistan team as expected but without facts.

    As I have said before in another thread that usually the wicket in this region is slow. The ball usually grips here but Does not turn muuch. It is the change of pace that will trouble most bats and especially those who like to time the ball as Rohit. Fakhar has now gained experience on these surfaces which is a huge advantage to Pakistan. Also it is the Pak lower order which is the most dangerous in all the teams competing in the tournament which might be the difference. All being said, it is cricket after all and upsets happen. Pak is hot favorite and in all of this talk of Ind Vs Pak, SL can surprise us. Let the tournament begin in the worst place of cricket world unfortunately.


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    Good stuff Giri!

    It will be a tough game the one on 19th September, I fear that Pakistan have to do all the running to show the world that the Champions Trophy Final game was NOT a fluke!

    So India in my view are the ones with a better chance of winning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Good stuff Giri!

    It will be a tough game the one on 19th September, I fear that Pakistan have to do all the running to show the world that the Champions Trophy Final game was NOT a fluke!

    So India in my view are the ones with a better chance of winning.
    I'm sorry, but not all fans are that insecure. If someone thinks it was fluke, so be it. I'm sure validating the CT win would be the last thing on the team's mind.

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    A good read.

    Nothing compares with an India versus Pakistan cricket match.

    Such a shame we don't see these matches very often.



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    India then at the start of the millennium had decided that they will no longer play in the UAE
    Damn.

    Can someone post historical results of games between Pak v Ind in UAE, pretty please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hadi123 View Post
    I just love Pakistan vs India. You feel like every single desi gets involved. Even the ones who don't give two hoots about cricket. It unites all Pakistanis and unites all Indians. Whether you're from Karachi, Lahore or Islamabad, you will support Pakistan, likewise if you are from Delhi, Mumbai or Chennai, you will be supporting India. All the celebrities also get involved too. And the match day feeling is just something else. You put on a Pakistani/Indian news channel that's all they talk about.
    Nice post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhenSultansBowled View Post
    Damn.

    Can someone post historical results of games between Pak v Ind in UAE, pretty please.
    India and Pakistan last played each other in UAE in 2006.

    Overall, from 1984-2006, in 26 ODIs the record is 19-7 to Pakistan.

    In the 80s/early 90s Pakistan used to beat India in UAE in virtually every match.

    From 1984-1995 Pakistan record against India was 13-3 from 16 ODIs.

    In the last 10 years, from 1996-2006, the gap was smaller but Pakistan still lead 6-4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_outsider View Post
    India and Pakistan last played each other in UAE in 2006.

    Overall, from 1984-2006, in 26 ODIs the record is 19-7 to Pakistan.

    In the 80s/early 90s Pakistan used to beat India in UAE in virtually every match.

    From 1984-1995 Pakistan record against India was 13-3 from 16 ODIs.

    In the last 10 years, from 1996-2006, the gap was smaller but Pakistan still lead 6-4.
    Wow don't even remember this happening. Just two games in Abu Dhabi, not sure about the context of these games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricVet View Post
    Nice Negative analysis of Pakistan team as expected but without facts.

    As I have said before in another thread that usually the wicket in this region is slow. The ball usually grips here but Does not turn muuch. It is the change of pace that will trouble most bats and especially those who like to time the ball as Rohit. Fakhar has now gained experience on these surfaces which is a huge advantage to Pakistan. Also it is the Pak lower order which is the most dangerous in all the teams competing in the tournament which might be the difference. All being said, it is cricket after all and upsets happen. Pak is hot favorite and in all of this talk of Ind Vs Pak, SL can surprise us. Let the tournament begin in the worst place of cricket world unfortunately.
    There is nothing negative about the analysis. My article is based on facts and numbers. I mentioned Pakistan have the upper hand in the article and just pointed out the issues for both the teams. Obviously Fakhar Zaman's form has left Pakistan with an untested middle order. If you remember in the T20 tri-series, the one game which Pakistan lost and got bowled out cheaply was the game when Fakhar failed. Even in the finals, Pakistan found themselves 3 down very quickly before Fakhar's phenomenal innings blew Australia away.

    The spin bowlers always come good in UAE. India's wrist spinners are different, one bowls left-arm wrist spin and the other conventional. Pakistan have not played Kuldeep before, so he will be new for them. I will not be underestimating them. Pakistan still the favourites. SL will be a handful as well in these conditions. Bangladesh can surprise a few as well. So this is still an open tournament. This analysis though is just for the 19th September game between India and Pakistan, no wonder SL was not mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saj View Post
    A good read.

    Nothing compares with an India versus Pakistan cricket match.

    Such a shame we don't see these matches very often.
    Thanks very much Saj for providing me with the opportunity. Yes India-Pakistan games have become few and far between and it will be great if we can at least meet often in multi-nation tournaments like these. We used to have a lot of them in the 90's but not anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giri26 View Post
    There is nothing negative about the analysis. My article is based on facts and numbers. I mentioned Pakistan have the upper hand in the article and just pointed out the issues for both the teams. Obviously Fakhar Zaman's form has left Pakistan with an untested middle order. If you remember in the T20 tri-series, the one game which Pakistan lost and got bowled out cheaply was the game when Fakhar failed. Even in the finals, Pakistan found themselves 3 down very quickly before Fakhar's phenomenal innings blew Australia away.

    The spin bowlers always come good in UAE. India's wrist spinners are different, one bowls left-arm wrist spin and the other conventional. Pakistan have not played Kuldeep before, so he will be new for them. I will not be underestimating them. Pakistan still the favourites. SL will be a handful as well in these conditions. Bangladesh can surprise a few as well. So this is still an open tournament. This analysis though is just for the 19th September game between India and Pakistan, no wonder SL was not mentioned.
    It is only a matter of time and we shall find out if the ball spins at Dubai or not. So far Afridi has performed the best on this wicket after Mohammed Irfan. Kuldeep in my view is no threat at all since he can't very his pace. I believe chahal is the best Ind got.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Good stuff Giri!

    It will be a tough game the one on 19th September, I fear that Pakistan have to do all the running to show the world that the Champions Trophy Final game was NOT a fluke!

    So India in my view are the ones with a better chance of winning.
    I am sorry but with all due respect, there is no need to seek validation because it was simply not a fluke. Thats like saying Indian victory in 2015 was a fluke because they lost to Pakistan in 2017. That simply has no correlation et all with each other.

    Just because a certain India/England fan claims a wrong opinion doesnt mean that the whole fan base has to succumb to it.

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    Without Kohli it does not give completeness to Asia cup, but good on him to skip this ODI series in favor of upcoming test matches.

    Shami, Bumrah and Bhuvi too should be rested.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    Good stuff Giri!

    It will be a tough game the one on 19th September, I fear that Pakistan have to do all the running to show the world that the Champions Trophy Final game was NOT a fluke!

    So India in my view are the ones with a better chance of winning.
    That wasn't fluke. And you don't need to fear


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