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    Quote Originally Posted by Bewal Express View Post
    He didnt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savak View Post
    Can Atif Mian contribute to this council in an unofficial capacity behind the scenes? i.e. The PTI govt ask for his input, suggestions behind the scenes?
    Perhaps he can, but why should he? This country does not deserve the services of brilliant people who are discriminated against because of their religious beliefs. A country that will always a remain a third world hub of terrorism. Nothing will change in the future as well.

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    This land was created on the name of Islam and till the final hour it will remain as such. No room for blasphemours. That’s the verdict of the majority.

    This country isn’t in mess due to Mullahs, rather the bhuttos and sharifs. And we have staunch supporters of both on this forum. Blaming it on rizvi

    Majority on this forum would’ve opposed the actions of Prophet and the companions due to crazy thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocelot View Post
    The one who said he would never be blackmailed got blackmailed within 20 days. Even N-League showed some spine and didn't cowed to TLP dharnas so rapidly. No more support to this coward from my side.
    Imran deserves this humiliation. For 22 years, he criticized and mocked those in power with his narcissism and Messiah complex, but now when the time has for him to walk the talk and show how it is done, he is flopping badly. This is a consequence of his arrogance and self-serving attitude.

    Riding a horse-cart looks easy unless you are the one holding the reigns. Politics of criticism and "I will do this and I will do that" is very easy. However, once you are in a position of power, you realize that it is not what it always seems and there are so many factors that play a role.

    More than Imran Khan, the brainwashed supporters of PTI deserve this humiliation, who are disgustingly still defending this farce. You have to feel sorry for them - they are slaves and have given up the capacity for independent thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Free Hit View Post
    This land was created on the name of Islam and till the final hour it will remain as such. No room for blasphemours. That’s the verdict of the majority.

    This country isn’t in mess due to Mullahs, rather the bhuttos and sharifs. And we have staunch supporters of both on this forum. Blaming it on rizvi

    Majority on this forum would’ve opposed the actions of Prophet and the companions due to crazy thinking.
    I agree - this land was created in the name of Islam for Muslims, so I have a proposal that will upheld the spirit of Islam in Pakistan:

    Orya Maqbool should be Finance Minister, Ansar Abbasi should be Minister of Islam (Create a new department while we are at it). Zaid Hamid would be perfect as the Defence Minister and Siraj-ul-Haq as Foreign Minister. Best of all, make Khadim Rizvi the official Pakistan Spokesman.

    Not only are these people smarter and have a higher caliber than kaafirs like Atif Mian, they will also fight for the glory of Islam and ensure that Pakistan will remain a shining light in the Muslim world.

    You do remember that this land was created in the name of Islam, but you are also forgetting something:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Imran deserves this humiliation. For 22 years, he criticized and mocked those in power with his narcissism and Messiah complex, but now when the time has for him to walk the talk and show how it is done, he is flopping badly. This is a consequence of his arrogance and self-serving attitude.

    Riding a horse-cart looks easy unless you are the one holding the reigns. Politics of criticism and "I will do this and I will do that" is very easy. However, once you are in a position of power, you realize that it is not what it always seems and there are so many factors that play a role.

    More than Imran Khan, the brainwashed supporters of PTI deserve this humiliation, who are disgustingly still defending this farce. You have to feel sorry for them - they are slaves and have given up the capacity for independent thinking.
    Don't think the PML-N can hold any moral high ground here. There are the ones who were critical of Atif Mian's appointment

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    It’s funny how PMLN supporters are beating the horse here when in reality it’s their party who blew this out of proportion and brought a resolution against Atif’s appointment in the senate. Also needless to say they went missing in this thread after the appointment only to return when their party had successfully created a chaos in the county and put people’s lives in danger. Please keep your holier than thou attitude to yourself. We can clearly see your hypocrisy.
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    Thank you Zia ul haq - Na Marde Momoin Na merdehaq.

    The seeds of hate sown 40 years ago is bearing the fruit - Nawaz, diesel, Altaf and etc is what we have got to show for ourselves. I wanna spit on Zia's gave. :<


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt. Rishwat View Post
    Pakistanis at home can demand what they want however despicable it may be, when they go abroad they can't demand anything. They can only request their rights as accorded by the host countries constitution or principles. There isn't any hypocrisy here.
    That is text book hypocrisy, don't know what you're talking about. And why even go to countries and live equally as minorities while subjugating and oppressing the ones back home? Since they clearly don't share the same values. We're a nation of double standards.

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    I totally agree with this. He was wrongfully removed. What is he supposed to do? He is a Pakistani citizen, not supporting a sect of your country leads to separatist movements. Even in our religion it teaches us that let a person follow any religion they wish.

    The Mullahs in Pakistan have no idea about the rich Islamic history. These corrupt Mullahs are full of nepotism; they take advantage of our uneducated society. Sad day for Pakistan! The guy was extremely capable, and his religion/being a minority should not be used as a weapon against him.

    If going by this, then the founder of Pakistan was also from a minority sect. These so called saviours of religion need to be delt with! This is not what Islam stands for and should in no way shape or form be used against a citizen of a country!

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    I believe for Ahmedi to get rights either of the two things have to happen
    1) Ahmadis have do declare themselves as a minority.
    2)Pakistan to become a secular state.

    If one of the two things don’t happen, I don’t see them getting their due rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CricVet View Post
    Thank you Zia ul haq - Na Marde Momoin Na merdehaq.

    The seeds of hate sown 40 years ago is bearing the fruit - Nawaz, diesel, Altaf and etc is what we have got to show for ourselves. I wanna spit on Zia's gave. :<
    It was Bhutto who declared Ahmedis non-Muslims. Zia simply built on the foundation Bhutto laid down.

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    Disappointed with the decision but country's situation is very futile for any maulana drama. Too much happening and need to focus on the important stuff, atif can guide and consult from behind the scenes. There has to be a long term plan to deal with these mullahs, pull the rug under them without them realizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Imran deserves this humiliation. For 22 years, he criticized and mocked those in power with his narcissism and Messiah complex, but now when the time has for him to walk the talk and show how it is done, he is flopping badly. This is a consequence of his arrogance and self-serving attitude.

    Riding a horse-cart looks easy unless you are the one holding the reigns. Politics of criticism and "I will do this and I will do that" is very easy. However, once you are in a position of power, you realize that it is not what it always seems and there are so many factors that play a role.

    More than Imran Khan, the brainwashed supporters of PTI deserve this humiliation, who are disgustingly still defending this farce. You have to feel sorry for them - they are slaves and have given up the capacity for independent thinking.

    And this helps Pakistan... how? PTI is embarrassed. Tusnami Junoonis egg on face. Now what

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badsha View Post
    And this helps Pakistan... how? PTI is embarrassed. Tusnami Junoonis egg on face. Now what
    I agree, ultimately Pakistan is the biggest loser here. After political point scoring and criticizing PTI to our hearts content, we will lament Pakistans loss.

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    Noon league supporters are amazing.

    First they criticize Imran and side with the religious parties who want Atif Mian removed.

    Then they critisize Imran when Atif Mian is removed because now they are magically liberals.

    Regardless, this fighting between political parties is slowly starting to make space for religious nuts. Khadim Rizwi has now had three major victories (khatm e nabuwat fiascio, the dutch blasphemy event, and now this. A few more and he will be a significant political force in a few years time. That wont be good for Pakistan.

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    Disgusted... With the recent decisions of IK, my support for the newly formed PTI govt. is dwindling.

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    Anyone with any sort of connection to a western institution will leave, they'll have no other option, otherwise they'll be seen as supporting the decision to remove Atif, and in western academics, where leftist politics sway, if you wanna be taken seriously, you don't wanna be seen as siding with fascism.

    Whats curious is that every single one of them who've left have left the door open on the Pak govt contacting them for advice. Wonder if it's gonna become like a sort of star chamber, meetings held over skype. Just imagine that's the case and Sheikh Rasheed walks in.

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    Another academic resigns. The cream of the advisory team has either been sacked or have resigned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedhk View Post
    Another academic resigns. The cream of the advisory team has either been sacked or have resigned.
    How many have left from EAC?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    Perhaps he can, but why should he? This country does not deserve the services of brilliant people who are discriminated against because of their religious beliefs. A country that will always a remain a third world hub of terrorism. Nothing will change in the future as well.

    You are right. We deserve what we get.We deserve Khadim Rizvis and Ramzan Mengals. Sad but true.

    PTI have already had their Faizabad moment. What an utter humiliation and embarrassment for naya pakistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post
    Great! Now we can ask Khadim Rizvi to take his place. Sure, he may be a dimwit extremist with no knowledge of running a country but hey, at least he's a declared musalman.

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    Well deserved backlash. I for once want PTI to be humiliated here. They must immediately request Mr. Atif Man to return. We must have no room for extremism in Naya Pakistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by MenInG View Post
    How many have left from EAC?
    Including Atif Mian, three have left the EAC. All three are overseas Pakistanis, and now only local Pakistanis are left in the EAC.

    These are the credentials of those who have left. Only in Pakistan would such names be compromised on for the sake of keeping the mullahs happy.

    Atif Mian - sacked -
    BSc, PhD MIT, taught at U Cal Berkeley & Univ of Chicago - currently at Princeton

    Asim I Khwaja - resigned
    BSc MIT, PhD Harvard, taught at Berkeley & Yale - currently at Harvard

    Imran Rasul - resigned
    BSc LSE, MPhil Oxford, PhD, LSE - teaches at UCL


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    More embarrassment for govt as second economist resigns from EAC over Atif Mian's exclusion

    London-based economist Dr Imran Rasul has become the second member of government's Economic Advisory Council (EAC) to resign following the exclusion of US-based academic Dr Atif R. Mian, who was asked to step down from the body due to backlash over his Ahmadiyya faith.

    Dr Imran Rasul. Photo courtesy: voxdev.org
    "With a heavy heart, I have resigned from the EAC this morning," Dr Rasul, a professor of economics at University College, London, said in a tweet.

    The economist said he "profoundly disagree[s]" with the circumstances in which Mian was asked to resign from the counci
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1431705/mo...ians-exclusion

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    The two who have resigned from EAC....Their loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Free Hit View Post
    The two who have resigned from EAC....Their loss.
    In what world is it their loss?

    Pakistan loses out, as now it will have to settle for second choice individuals to advise on a crumbling economy.

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    Some of you guys should read Atif's article in dawn. It's all very common sense. Good governance is key, without that no expert can help you. It's top priority for PTI, so they are on right track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hussain.r97 View Post
    Including Atif Mian, three have left the EAC. All three are overseas Pakistanis, and now only local Pakistanis are left in the EAC.

    These are the credentials of those who have left. Only in Pakistan would such names be compromised on for the sake of keeping the mullahs happy.

    Atif Mian - sacked -
    BSc, PhD MIT, taught at U Cal Berkeley & Univ of Chicago - currently at Princeton

    Asim I Khwaja - resigned
    BSc MIT, PhD Harvard, taught at Berkeley & Yale - currently at Harvard

    Imran Rasul - resigned
    BSc LSE, MPhil Oxford, PhD, LSE - teaches at UCL


    Forget Princeton and Harvard professors, this is what the future of Pakistan looks like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loralai View Post


    Forget Princeton and Harvard professors, this is what the future of Pakistan looks like.
    Abandon ship

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    Do these scumbags have a day job? How can they afford to be rubbing this guys knees at all hours?

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    What I want to know is why isnt our Khalifa-in-chief CJP not taken any notice of this. A person was discriminated against because of his belief/religion/sect. Something that is protected under the constitution. Why is CJP not taking suo moto action on this matter. Does the capitulation shown by the incoming govt. not sending a bad precedent for the future. What happened to protecting the rights of the minorities. When it comes to religion, sab ki bolti band hojati hai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saadibaba View Post
    What I want to know is why isn’t our Khalifa-in-chief CJP not taken any notice of this. A person was discriminated against because of his belief/religion/sect. Something that is protected under the constitution. Why is CJP not taking suo moto action on this matter. Does the capitulation shown by the incoming govt. not sending a bad precedent for the future. What happened to protecting the rights of the minorities. When it comes to religion, sab ki bolti band hojati hai.
    They are waiting for Biloo to give speech in emaculate English with British accent


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    They are waiting for Biloo to give speech in emaculate English with British accent
    Lol wut....doesnt make any sense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by saadibaba View Post
    What I want to know is why isn’t our Khalifa-in-chief CJP not taken any notice of this. A person was discriminated against because of his belief/religion/sect. Something that is protected under the constitution. Why is CJP not taking suo moto action on this matter. Does the capitulation shown by the incoming govt. not sending a bad precedent for the future. What happened to protecting the rights of the minorities. When it comes to religion, sab ki bolti band hojati hai.
    Ahamdis don’t consider themselves minorities.How can constitution help him when they Ahamdis don’t designate themselves as non-Muslim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saadibaba View Post
    Lol wut....doesnt make any sense...
    Billy doesn't make any sense?... finally you realised!! Well done for getting there in the end.

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    Atif Mian was one of the Key Note Speaker at a conference in College of Islamic Of Islamic Economics & Finance, Saudi Arabia in 2016
    https://uqu.edu.sa/en/fesif/24492

    Apparently the wahabis had no issue with his faith

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    Barelvi's out 'crazy mullah' Wahabbi's!! Tabdeeli aagee yeh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asim_khan View Post
    Barelvi's out 'crazy mullah' Wahabbi's!! Tabdeeli aagee yeh!
    Hain?


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    Quote Originally Posted by saadibaba View Post
    Lol wut....doesnt make any sense...
    I think the point is we get happy when people like Bilawal make a speech against extremists. We clap and cheer for such useless acts but in reality nothing much is being done to fight extremism.

    It is a difficult battle. I want us to fight extremism as well. I think IK has many qualities and is the best leader we can have but I think the best solution to fighting extremism is fixing educational system + economical improvement that would give people more awareness.

    If you use force such as sacking mullah, you just make them martyrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cric_man View Post
    Atif Mian was one of the Key Note Speaker at a conference in College of Islamic Of Islamic Economics & Finance, Saudi Arabia in 2016
    https://uqu.edu.sa/en/fesif/24492

    Apparently the wahabis had no issue with his faith
    tbf they did not know of his faith or else no way he would have been allowed there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Badsha View Post
    I think the point is we get happy when people like Bilawal make a speech against extremists. We clap and cheer for such useless acts but in reality nothing much is being done to fight extremism.

    It is a difficult battle. I want us to fight extremism as well. I think IK has many qualities and is the best leader we can have but I think the best solution to fighting extremism is fixing educational system + economical improvement that would give people more awareness.

    If you use force such as sacking mullah, you just make them martyrs.
    Agree with promoting education and economic development, but should we let Mullahs dictate economic policy to us. The capitulation by these thugs made some sense by the previous govt. Hounded by the judiciary, out of favor with the army and hated by the masses they were standing on one leg with both hands tied behind their backs. Any sort of political turmoil would have been a complete disaster for them. But witnessing how easily IK and Co. gave up on this appointment, afraid of putting their foot down and staying firm, showing no backbone at all, is very disheartening to see.


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    Its was not only Mullahs who were against this decision but general public were not happy as well. You think Salman Taseer guard who killed him was a Mullah? He was your every day common man.

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    Today on a talk show Fawad Chaudhry mentioned that:


    We did not expect this sort of reaction.

    It was an advisory position with no real powers so the reaction we got was very surprising.

    I learned that he has advised and has been employed by Saudi Arabia

    We wanted to avoid conflict.

    Keep in mind I am paraphrasing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahdi View Post
    Today on a talk show Fawad Chaudhry mentioned that:




    Keep in mind I am paraphrasing.
    Very disappointed with PTI and Imran Khan! They'd rather offend sane and educated Pakistanis to appease some terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venomousx View Post
    Very disappointed with PTI and Imran Khan! They'd rather offend sane and educated Pakistanis to appease some terrorists.
    They let us down big time. There is no justification for appeasing fanatics.


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