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    Should Ravindra Jadeja have played more Tests in this series?

    Jadeja is playing his first match in the series. He took 4 wickets in the first innings and now currently batting on 86*. This inning can prove to be a match defining knock. Should he have played more tests in this series?

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    I still don't think highly of him. One knock does not make him an automatic choice is fhe first eleven. He has lapses in his career where goes well below average. So if there was a 6th test, I wouldn't have been surprised if he had gotten a pair in the 6th test.

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    One knock makes no difference. Pandya has much higher ceiling than Jadeja. India did the right thing by playing Pandya.

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    India cannot keep on recycling the same players.

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    He should have played more regardless of this performance. This game he had a point to prove. Ashwin hasn't set the world alight and usually performs better when bowling in tandom with Jadeja. Could have selected both for some games.

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    I think he has done enough so far in this test to book himself a place on the Australian tour bus. Would be interesting to see whether Ashwin would be on that bus too or not..

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    India's best spinner and a decent bat. Should have played over Ashwin methinks who has a pretty poor record overseas.

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    Of course. Much superior to the overrated Ashwin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Canford Cliffs View Post
    One knock makes no difference. Pandya has much higher ceiling than Jadeja. India did the right thing by playing Pandya.
    One bowling performance also makes no difference. Jadeja took just one inning to score more than half the runs Pandya scored in the 4 test matches. India did the wrong thing by dragging Pandya to all 4 test matches. He is a useless bowler and an average batsman who only scored a fifty when the team was in a good position.
    Last edited by Bhaag Viru Bhaag; 9th September 2018 at 18:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaag Viru Bhaag View Post
    One bowling performance also makes no difference. Jadeja took just one inning to score more than half the runs Pandya scored in the 4 test matches. India did the wrong thing by dragging Pandya to all 4 test matches. He is a useless bowler and an average batsman who only scored a fifty when the team was in a good position.
    You dont play in Eng with 2 spinners. So realistically it was between Ashwin and Jadeja. Considering the amount of left handers Eng has in their side, logically Ashwin was the right choice. Now he bowled rubbish, that is a different story. But you cant blame Kohli for this selection.

    Pandya's straight fight was with Karun Nair, whether we went with an extra batsman or an all rounder. Pandya did decently in SA and SL, so it was hard to drop him. Also going with 4 bowlers is a risk. That 2011 Lords test when Zaheer broke down in 1st spell still haunts me. So there is an extra cution with an all rounder.

    India did not lost this series due to Pandya or Ashwin. Yes more was expected from them but the main reason for our defeat is openers and Rahane. Pandya is just an easy target and a scape goat for fans and media.

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    Jadeja takes a lot of cheap wickets.

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    Jadeja actually has a better record in SENA than Ashwin with both bat and ball.

    Jadeja even has a 6fer in SA, something Ashwin is often criticised for not achieving.

    This is Jadeja's 8th game in SENA. Ashwin has already played 15.

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    It was either him or Ashwin so you can't blame team management. Trying Kuldeep was also not a bad idea, keeping in mind his success against Eng in LOI, but they could have used much more experienced Jadeja in that second test .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canford Cliffs View Post

    India did not lost this series due to Pandya or Ashwin. Yes more was expected from them but the main reason for our defeat is openers and Rahane. Pandya is just an easy target and a scape goat for fans and media.
    Yes, our openers and Rahane obviously are to be blamed for not performing.

    But Pandya - the batsman - and Ashwin are also equally to blame. They are in the team as all-rounders. They should have contributed with the bat. It was part of their job. And they failed majorly at it.

    Pandya the bowler actually had a pretty good series.

    As a 5th bowler he averaged 24 and took a 5-fer means he has done better than Curran - England's 3rd seamer.

    But as batsmen, both him and Ashwin have been total flops. Add to that both the WK flopping means we were always playing with 3 batsmen less than the opposition.

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    I would have played him ahead of Pandya.

    Better option in all facets.



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    It’s not just this one match. Jadeja should have played from the start. A lot of people have this belief that England is not a good place for spinners and you don’t play two. Well England have been happy to have Rashid and Moeen and in the past Swann and panesar. It all depends on the quality of spin and whether they offer something with the bat and fielding. Jadeja is very handy with the bat and very economical with bowling. I think he’s also one of the best fielders in the world.

    Not having Dhawan and Jadeja from the start and non availability Of bumrah earlier on probably has been the main difference between winning the series and losing it earlier on. Too little too late from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    India cannot keep on recycling the same players.
    Jadeja is the 3rd ranked all-rounder in the world. The only justification for not paying him is the conditions are completely unsuited to his bowling.

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    India missed a trick. Sir Jadeja is twice the allrounder than Pandya

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    Pandya gets too much flak on PP. He is overrated and overhyped but still not crap as he is made to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    Jadeja is the 3rd ranked all-rounder in the world. The only justification for not paying him is the conditions are completely unsuited to his bowling.
    Hafeez was ranked the number 1 all rounder just recently as well. You dont have to blindly look at the rankings, Jadeja is simply not good enough. Should probably give someone new a chance. One swallow does not makes a summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Destroyer View Post
    Of course. Much superior to the overrated Ashwin.
    England played 7 lefthanders and until now Ashwin was considered the superior bat. I know you've constantly maintained that jadeja is better but except the last test where ash was unfit he hasn't really done much wrong.

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    The problem was with rotating players & using right players for right match! We played Kuldeep in overseas conditions and then kept playing Ashwin when he was not fit. Pandya should not have played all the matches, on dry surfaces they should have played Jadeja or extra batsman! But these were minor issues. The major issues are Openers, Rahane and the wicket keeper (Karthik played in two matches & was totally useless!), Kohli's captaincy was another big issue! Kohli is captain only because of his reputation in the team! Such guys at least need a top quality coach who should not be picked on any reputation but solely on merit & experience! The Kumble debacle was one of the worst thing to have happened to this promising Indian side, and Kohli should curse himself for this because he had the chance to become a great player of a greatest Indian team, but sold it for some cheap ego & fake-pride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canford Cliffs View Post
    You dont play in Eng with 2 spinners. So realistically it was between Ashwin and Jadeja. Considering the amount of left handers Eng has in their side, logically Ashwin was the right choice. Now he bowled rubbish, that is a different story. But you cant blame Kohli for this selection.

    Pandya's straight fight was with Karun Nair, whether we went with an extra batsman or an all rounder. Pandya did decently in SA and SL, so it was hard to drop him. Also going with 4 bowlers is a risk. That 2011 Lords test when Zaheer broke down in 1st spell still haunts me. So there is an extra cution with an all rounder.

    India did not lost this series due to Pandya or Ashwin. Yes more was expected from them but the main reason for our defeat is openers and Rahane. Pandya is just an easy target and a scape goat for fans and media.
    England played 2 spinners (against India, who generally play spin better than others) and won.
    Jadeja has better record that Pandya even in domestic cricket and has proved his mettle several times.
    Jadeja again proved that his batting is miles better than Pandya. Just imagine 30-40 extra runs in the first and third test and the overall results would have been totally different.
    Less said about Kohli's captaincy the better, he played an unfit Ashwin. Hundreds of players give there everything to play for India and Kohli thought it would be a great idea to play unfit Ashwin while totally ignoring Jadeja. He played Kuldeep in the second test.
    Kohli's captaincy is as much responsible for this series loss as Rahane's and openers batting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Hafeez was ranked the number 1 all rounder just recently as well. You dont have to blindly look at the rankings, Jadeja is simply not good enough. Should probably give someone new a chance. One swallow does not makes a summer.
    You do not get to be ranked high due to "one swallow", you get ranked high due to consistent performance over a number of years. The problem with Hafeez was that his bowling was illegal, if it wasn't then he should have been in the team based on his record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    You do not get to be ranked high due to "one swallow", you get ranked high due to consistent performance over a number of years. The problem with Hafeez was that his bowling was illegal, if it wasn't then he should have been in the team based on his record.
    His bowling action is legal now. I guess its rinse and repeat for Indian fans and that is reflected in Indian team's selection policies as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    His bowling action is legal now. I guess its rinse and repeat for Indian fans and that is reflected in Indian team's selection policies as well.
    His bowling is legal now... and now he is nowhere to be found in ICC's all-rounder rankings.

    https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings...st/all-rounder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napa View Post
    His bowling is legal now... and now he is nowhere to be found in ICC's all-rounder rankings.

    https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings...st/all-rounder
    Because he has not played after that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Because he has not played after that..
    So his legal bowling was not good enough for him to be ranked, or for him to be selected in the team. I rest my case.

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    He was going at nearly 4 runs an over in the second innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    His bowling action is legal now. I guess its rinse and repeat for Indian fans and that is reflected in Indian team's selection policies as well.
    His bowling action is never legal or illegal. It depends on the context of the situation. He controls when to chuck and when to bowl.

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    Has he ever won a test match for India outside Asia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom View Post
    Has he ever won a test match for India outside Asia?
    Never. His career alongwith Ashwin should have ended in 2017 but its India, rinse and repeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadlyVenom View Post
    Has he ever won a test match for India outside Asia?
    Got a 6fer in SA but India's batsmen cost them the match. Has a 5fer in NZ as well.
    Last edited by the_outsider; 11th September 2018 at 20:24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    Never. His career alongwith Ashwin should have ended in 2017 but its India, rinse and repeat.
    Career ended? How many spinners around the world today have 300 plus wickets @ 25 or 170 odd wickets @ 23 ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricketjoshila View Post
    Career ended? How many spinners around the world today have 300 plus wickets @ 25 or 170 odd wickets @ 23 ?
    What is his record outside of Asia against non-minnows?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slim View Post
    What is his record outside of Asia against non-minnows?
    Average of 34 away from home against non-minnows as compared to an average of 33.8 for the so-called-ATG Jimmy Anderson. Ashwin has 3 5fers in 21 matches. Anderson has 4 in 53 matches.


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