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    How can India stop Babar Azam?

    Babar Azam has been a run machine for Pakistan, especially in white ball cricket. Averaging 85+ in the UAE and 55 overall at a healthy strike rate. India will need to come up with some plans to dismiss the elegant right handed who stands as the pillar of Pakistan’s batting.
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    As if Babar performs against great against top sides like Australia, NZ, SA etc

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    A batsman who takes 60-70 deliveries to get going does not need any stopping.

    Babar has been pacing his innings poorly for a while now, and his strike rate hovers around 65-70 for his 50 odd runs which is not good enough.

    Unless Babar learns to ensure that his strike rate does not drop below 80 at any stage and minimizes his dot ball percentage, he will not be much of a threat to top flight opposition.

    At the moment, Fakhar is the only player in the team who can hurt the opposition with the bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    A batsman who takes 60-70 deliveries to get going does not need any stopping.

    Babar has been pacing his innings poorly for a while now, and his strike rate hovers around 65-70 for his 50 odd runs which is not good enough.

    Unless Babar learns to ensure that his strike rate does not drop below 80 at any stage and minimizes his dot ball percentage, he will not be much of a threat to top flight opposition.

    At the moment, Fakhar is the only player in the team who can hurt the opposition with the bat.
    Babar is never going to be a gamechanging player i hasn't seen his single match winning inning in runchase
    Can anyone post his match winning inning while chasing

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    He has not done enough against big teams to warrant this sort of thread,might do in the future - but,not yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohammad zuber View Post
    Babar is never going to be a gamechanging player i hasn't seen his single match winning inning in runchase
    Can anyone post his match winning inning while chasing
    Good question.

    He averages 65.66 in winning chases (13 matches) and 41.76 in all chases (24 matches).

    Top winning contributions include:

    1) 62* vs ENG (Abu Dhabi)
    2) 31* vs SA (Birmingham)
    3) 38* vs ENG (Cardiff)
    4) 69* vs SL (Sharjah)

    A reasonable gripe might be his ability to help chase larger totals.


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    Laughable.

    For now, only Fakhar is a threat for any half decent opposition as Mamoon said.

    He's a very good accumulator, but they don't hurt teams especially the good batting sides. In fact, opposition might ensure that he stays on the crease!

    It's unfortunate that we have a lineup of all accumulators. After him comes Malik and Sarfraz, who are the WORST for LOI cricket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Laughable.

    For now, only Fakhar is a threat for any half decent opposition as Mamoon said.

    He's a very good accumulator, but they don't hurt teams especially the good batting sides. In fact, opposition might ensure that he stays on the crease!

    It's unfortunate that we have a lineup of all accumulators. After him comes Malik and Sarfraz, who are the WORST for LOI cricket.

    I think we need to bring back kamran akmal more pleasing to eyes and better than other how can single handedly destroy any top side

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    Hilarious thread.


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    India will try to make sure that he stays on the crease instead.


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    This thread doesn't make sense. He's no Kohli or Warner or, even Rohit for that cause.

    He's a good player but, nothing to make the opposition fear him.

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    If Babar and Fakhar bat together then Babar becomes more dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Laughable.

    For now, only Fakhar is a threat for any half decent opposition as Mamoon said.

    He's a very good accumulator, but they don't hurt teams especially the good batting sides. In fact, opposition might ensure that he stays on the crease!

    It's unfortunate that we have a lineup of all accumulators. After him comes Malik and Sarfraz, who are the WORST for LOI cricket.
    The day has arrived, someone has agreed with Mamoon bhai.

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    India are better off listening to VVS and Zaheer than some of the experts on this thread.

    Nobody is saying he's a Kohli, AB or Buttler. He averages >50 in ODIs, 89 in the UAE and when he goes past 50, Pakistan usually win. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that he is a key wicket for the opposition.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Laughable.

    For now, only Fakhar is a threat for any half decent opposition as Mamoon said.

    He's a very good accumulator, but they don't hurt teams especially the good batting sides. In fact, opposition might ensure that he stays on the crease!

    It's unfortunate that we have a lineup of all accumulators. After him comes Malik and Sarfraz, who are the WORST for LOI cricket.

    Fakhar is the better ODI player but Babar is the key, he is the glue that holds the batting line together. It is of no coincidence that his worst ODI series to date - one in which Fakhar did not fair too badly in - resulted in NZL whitewashing us 5-0.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanAndGreen View Post
    Fakhar is the better ODI player but Babar is the key, he is the glue that holds the batting line together. It is of no coincidence that his worst ODI series to date - one in which Fakhar did not fair too badly in - resulted in NZL whitewashing us 5-0.
    Agree. Fakhar is your best ODI batsman atm. But he can be out for cheap. And of that happens or if Pakistan loses early wickets he is the man who can play through 50 overs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    I think we need to bring back kamran akmal more pleasing to eyes and better than other how can single handedly destroy any top side
    Irrelevant post.

    Kami should've been drafted in T20s after his good stints in the PSL. That's merit and that's where he can make an impact.

    Not sure about current form, likely not good enough so can be ignored.


    Quote Originally Posted by 786pk View Post
    The day has arrived, someone has agreed with Mamoon bhai.
    Most of his posts are on point, and neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    If Babar and Fakhar bat together then Babar becomes more dangerous.
    Quote Originally Posted by MeanAndGreen View Post
    Fakhar is the better ODI player but Babar is the key, he is the glue that holds the batting line together. It is of no coincidence that his worst ODI series to date - one in which Fakhar did not fair too badly in - resulted in NZL whitewashing us 5-0.
    Theoretically, a combo of Fakhar and Babar can be great.

    But, we forget that our entire batting lineup is made of accumulators. That's where things go ugly when we're up against a good quality opposition. Most sides play modern LOI cricket these days.

    We can't play that brand of cricket against good opposition with Malik, Sarfraz, and the rest of the accumulator lineup.

    Babar needs to up his strike rate, otherwise he's a very good batsman.

    For now, major threat for any opposition is Fakhar.

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    I don't think he would be much of a threat to any team but on the other hand fakhar zaman can take the game away from opposition so I guess teams should be more careful about fakhar than Babar.

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    Babar Azam will be among the least of India's worries because I just don't see him batting at the right tempo. His SR is declining and heading towards 80 which isn't good enough at this level given the par score is 300+.

    Against a very weak Zimbabwe side, other than his ton in the last ODI, his strike rates were mediocre to say the least. He just doesn't have that ruthless streak about him to really hurt the top sides. But still an upgrade from the likes of Misbah, Younis Khan et al.

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    So people are ignoring his average and only concentrating on his strike rate to put him down? Someone tell these experts that usually when Babar is batting Fakhar is going all guns blazing at the other end and most he has to do is change the strike over and give it back to Fakhar.

    Babar has played at excellent SR when required as well.



    There is a reason why VVS and Zaheer are discussing the threat of Babar, while nobodies like you folks are dissing him. I'd much rather take the word of international cricketers than some "experts" over an internet forum.


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    In UAE, Babar can help Pakistan post respectable totals. UAE pitches don’t produce 400+ scores. On a slow pitch, Babar can play a match winning inning.

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    Zaman is the only one that India will be thinking of stopping.

    No one else in Pak batting line up are consistent match winners. They may have odd performances, but they will not make anyone lose their sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Zaman is the only one that India will be thinking of stopping.

    No one else in Pak batting line up are consistent match winners. They may have odd performances, but they will not make anyone lose their sleep.
    Likewise in this Indian batting line there is no one that our bowling lineup would be losing sleep over. Sharma and Dhawan aren't that big of a threat. The rest are gully mohallah level.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    So people are ignoring his average and only concentrating on his strike rate to put him down? Someone tell these experts that usually when Babar is batting Fakhar is going all guns blazing at the other end and most he has to do is change the strike over and give it back to Fakhar.

    Babar has played at excellent SR when required as well.



    There is a reason why VVS and Zaheer are discussing the threat of Babar, while nobodies like you folks are dissing him. I'd much rather take the word of international cricketers than some "experts" over an internet forum.
    This.

    If a 23 year old who is ranked 2 in the ODI rankings, averages above 50 at 85 after 50 matches isn't a threat to the opposition than 95% of the worlds cricketers should hang up their boots.

    There are only a handful of cricketers in history who can average above 50 and have a SR > 100. If that's what it takes to be a threat to the opposition than everyone other than a Kohli or AB shouldn't be considered as a threat either. People forget this guy literally has an identical /if not better record than the likes of Root, Williamson, Smith, Amla, etc.

    Unfortunately there are too many stick cricket fans watching the game currently who only look at strike rates rather than looking at the whole picture. Against the best teams in the toughest situations , it's the most consistent players which make a flash in the pan team (i.e. stereotypical PAK) a world class side (Australia, India, etc).

    It's time PAK fans show more appreciation to Bobby, otherwise it's never too late to call back his cousin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingusama92 View Post
    Good question.

    He averages 65.66 in winning chases (13 matches) and 41.76 in all chases (24 matches).

    Top winning contributions include:

    1) 62* vs ENG (Abu Dhabi)
    2) 31* vs SA (Birmingham)
    3) 38* vs ENG (Cardiff)
    4) 69* vs SL (Sharjah)

    A reasonable gripe might be his ability to help chase larger totals.
    How much is the target of opposition team i hasn't seen him batting with 100plus strikerate he is just like a accumulator and never going to win you matches in 300+totals vs top teams

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeanAndGreen View Post
    India are better off listening to VVS and Zaheer than some of the experts on this thread.

    Nobody is saying he's a Kohli, AB or Buttler. He averages >50 in ODIs, 89 in the UAE and when he goes past 50, Pakistan usually win. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that he is a key wicket for the opposition.
    What is going to happen him when he plays against top teams always he bashed minnows i hasn't seen his 1decent innings against top sides

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    How to stop Babar? bowl spin at him..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye View Post
    Irrelevant post.

    Kami should've been drafted in T20s after his good stints in the PSL. That's merit and that's where he can make an impact.

    Not sure about current form, likely not good enough so can be ignored.




    Most of his posts are on point, and neutral.
    your post is irrelvant the thread is about babar not about pakistan middle order you can bash them by creating your own

    Kami is ignored not merely on his batting
    1)he is liablity in the field
    2)his wicket keeping is one of the worse so it is good he is no way near pakistan team
    3) he is 36 year old so bringing back him is not wise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    Likewise in this Indian batting line there is no one that our bowling lineup would be losing sleep over. Sharma and Dhawan aren't that big of a threat. The rest are gully mohallah level.
    Should be easy win for Pakistan.

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    Babar azam is a toyota engine with a ferrari body. Stats look good but has zero impact. If he was that good he would have helped us in New Zealand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohammad zuber View Post
    How much is the target of opposition team i hasn't seen him batting with 100plus strikerate he is just like a accumulator and never going to win you matches in 300+totals vs top teams
    Neither he is called ATG nor he is called explosive batsmen so i don.t what is your point .BTW tell this to your media channel stop wasting time on babar who are more concern than us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saeed5646 View Post
    Neither he is called ATG nor he is called explosive batsmen so i don.t what is your point .BTW tell this to your media channel stop wasting time on babar who are more concern than us.
    Can you dig a single match winning against top teams chasing 300 please

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    Quote Originally Posted by khan991 View Post
    Babar azam is a toyota engine with a ferrari body. Stats look good but has zero impact. If he was that good he would have helped us in New Zealand.
    He is bottler against top teams like s.malik
    Even hafeez is better than those 2batsmans

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    Quote Originally Posted by troodon View Post
    Should be easy win for Pakistan.
    Indian batsman also thinking same about gully moholla pakistani bowling

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    Babar is a nobody and i would be happy if this strokeless wonder plays all 50 overs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    Babar is a nobody and i would be happy if this strokeless wonder plays all 50 overs.
    If Babar plays all 50 overs India would be staring at certain defeat.... your call mr. chest thumper


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    Babar is a nobody and i would be happy if this strokeless wonder plays all 50 overs.
    Strokeless wonder?

    Babar lacks power game but he’s able to hit boundaries consistently. One of the best cut players in the world at the moment.

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    They can't

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    Best way to limit Babar is to dismiss Fakhar. Imam at the moment seems like will be filling his boots against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Nobody else in Pakistan’s top order is able to exert any pressure on the opposition bowling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Odd_One View Post
    Strokeless wonder?

    Babar lacks power game but he’s able to hit boundaries consistently. One of the best cut players in the world at the moment.
    He is a good player for batting 1st match

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    He’s the UAE Hannibal.

    His strike-rate won’t be an issue in the United Arab Emirates because of the difficulty of the conditions.

    Grinders and darters galore in the desert!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohammad zuber View Post
    Can you dig a single match winning against top teams chasing 300 please
    What will it prove past great like tendulkar have many hundred in losing cause does it mean he was ordinary player which he was not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    Babar is a nobody and i would be happy if this strokeless wonder plays all 50 overs.
    He has achieve more in life than you can only dream of so yes babar is known entity unlike you .

    He will score runs whether you like it or not

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    I think, any player with 55/85 sort of stats is an asset against anyone. In terms of stats, Kohli stands at 58/92, therefore obviously Babar has lots of capability, but certainly not at Kohli's level. PAK needs to play around Babar and factor his stats in their strategy. In a lineup if there are 3/4 accumulators, backed by a tail that starts at 7, obviously it won't work often (at one point top 5-6 had Ahmed, MoHa, Azhar/YK, Misbah, Malik ..... even Asad). If Sharjeel was still available, then in a line-up of SK, FZ & Asif - Babar could have been the difference in many close games. Now that the bottom half is quite good with bat, PAK should bat with overs in mind from start, rather than usual strategy of taking the game to 40th over with wickets at hand.

    To answer the question, I think Babar is weak against spin, surprisingly even against off-spin for a right handed top order batsman with such good stats. May be, tactics against him for any team should be to bring spin from both ends at the start of his innings and keep him on strike & attack to get him out, rather than contain (that's keeping 6-7 fielders in, with may be couple at catching position), risking odd boundary. His SR is relatively less in first 50 balls, therefore attacking field shouldn't hurt that much. He bats at 3, which makes it easier to implement that strategy, as he is expected to come just when the spinners are due. This is one reason, I think opening with Babar is a better idea in LOs, so that he can start against pacers and by the time spinners come, he is about an hour into batting.

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    lol at the people talking trash about Babar. Babar is the number 2 batsmen in ODIs. Or are the rankings only relevant when we are talking about India?

    Yes he bashes minnows but any good batsmen will do that, not his fault your fav batsmen can't match his record. He has scored runs against good sides as well but that wont stop biased people from talking trash.

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    Babar is a threat to India as he is capable of batting through the innings and ensuring we can be positive throughout the innings.

    My worry is he going to be able to handle the pressure of this game ? He has the Asia Cup and the World Cup as chances to show that he can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrai View Post
    lol at the people talking trash about Babar. Babar is the number 2 batsmen in ODIs. Or are the rankings only relevant when we are talking about India?

    Yes he bashes minnows but any good batsmen will do that, not his fault your fav batsmen can't match his record. He has scored runs against good sides as well but that wont stop biased people from talking trash.
    Yes we all watch new Zealand series i think you missed that series

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohammad zuber View Post
    Yes we all watch new Zealand series i think you missed that series
    So Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan have never failed in consecutive innings? First couple of inning Babar was unlucky but he has scored runs in NZ. Reality for you only one Indian batsmen ranks higher than Babar. If Babar didn't fail in NZ he would be averaging like 65. But like i said he has scored in NZ before one bad form doesn't mean much.

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    | Statistics |

    At Australia - Mat: 5 | Avg: 56 | SR: 82
    Vs Australia - Mat: 5 | Avg: 56 | SR: 82

    At England - Mat: 10 | Avg: 31 | SR: 79
    Vs England - Mat: 6 | Avg: 32 | SR: 84
    Vs India - Mat: 2 | Avg: 27 | SR: 84
    Vs South Africa - Mat: 1 | Avg: 31* | SR: 60
    Vs Sri Lanka - Mat: 1 | Avg: 10 | SR: 55

    At Ireland - Mat: 1 | Avg: 29 | SR: 100
    Vs Ireland - Mat: 1 | Avg: 29 | SR: 100

    At New Zealand - Mat: 5 | Avg: 25 | SR: 76
    Vs New Zealand - Mat: 5 | Avg: 25 | SR: 76

    At Pakistan - Mat: 1 | Avg: 54 | SR: 90
    Vs Zimbabwe - Mat: 1 | Avg: 54 | SR: 90

    At Sri Lanka - Mat: 2 | Avg: 18 | SR: 75
    Vs Sri Lanka - Mat: 2 | Avg: 18 | SR: 75

    At U.A.E - Mat: 12 | Avg: 89 | SR: 87
    Vs England - Mat: 4 | Avg: 46 | SR: 93
    Vs Sri Lanka - Mat: 5 | Avg: 101 | SR: 75
    Vs West Indies - Mat: 3 | Avg: 120 | SR: 99

    At West Indies - Mat: 3 | Avg: 77 | SR: 88
    Vs West Indies - Mat: 3 | Avg: 77 | SR: 88

    At Zimbabwe - Mat: 5 | Avg: 184 | SR: 102
    Vs Zimbabwe - Mat: 5 | Avg: 184 | SR: 102

    Babar Azam averages 89 in UAE. If we only take the England series his avg. Is still 46. Although the fact that his performances against low-level sides is formidable. Doesn't mean he's a minnow basher. If he averaged 25 at 76 SR, in NZL. Also remember he averaged 56 at 82 SR, in Australia.

    The only two matches he played against India in England. His Avg. was 27. But the SR was 84. (His career avg. Is 85).

    He may not be a run machine everywhere. But he is at UAE.

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    No need to stop him as he has stopped scoring himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohammad zuber View Post
    He is bottler against top teams like s.malik
    Even hafeez is better than those 2batsmans
    It seems like you are a fickle cricket fan. Babar hasnt played nearly enough against the top sides to be labelled a bottler. Infact in the limited chances which he has got, he has done well for a youngster. He turned 23 this year fgs. Why do people keep forgetting it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madplayer View Post
    It seems like you are a fickle cricket fan. Babar hasnt played nearly enough against the top sides to be labelled a bottler. Infact in the limited chances which he has got, he has done well for a youngster. He turned 23 this year fgs. Why do people keep forgetting it
    Agree.

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    He is as big a threat to india as ambati rayudu is to pakistan,similar type of players.Rayudu also avgs 50+ but is sitting outside our team.Both of them are good bats but not quick enough to make an impact

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    Against babar you need to cut off singles , have more fielders in the circle at the start , and put pressure on him.

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    I think there's too much hyperbole on both sides.

    Babar is neither great yet, nor is he useless - he is a growing cricketer who is doing very well in his career. He isn't a star yet because yes, he still has flaws, but at 23 he's a great prospect.

    A few years ago, to have a player scoring centuries and fifties more often than not would be a far cry from what we have. I think it's harsh to throw him away as though he hasn't been key to our resurgence as well.

    He has yet, key word, yet, to hit a match winning knock to chase, but he has had some very good ones that were key to the chase.

    The speed to start hasn't been there but looks like it may be coming along. Just need to be patient with him.

    For some reason there is this misappropriation that if they aren't the perfect/ideal player that they are automatically a failure. Anyone expect a Kohli is setting themselves up for failure.

    Be excited for what he has done and hope he continues to build on that. A 50+ batsmen with some very good knocks, and a 85+ SR at the age of 23? Sign me up. India would say the same, pretty much any international quality squad would.

    It's when you expect them to be great and not appreciate them for what they are that you set yourself up for disappointment.

    If we get this player for the rest of his career, Babar will be a disappointment in the sense he didn't reach that upper echelon of top 2-5 batsmen in the world, and is not one of the premier march winners in the world, but few are, and what he has produced is a very good player albeit with weaknesses.

    I understand the criticism and they have merit but we need to give it time before putting labels on players, especially at 23.

    Jamshed when he came in was the next Pakistani great opener, Umar Amin's class was going to shine through et al., but in the end where are they now?

    There is a long way to go for Babar and right now let's appreciate what he is, be wary he could just be this, or even fall down to earth and be a mediocre player, and also be ready for him to grown into a better player.

    It is neither here nor there.

    Based on what we have seen, Babar has been great with the weakness of starting his innings slowly, which with more confidence I would assume he improves with. I could be wrong, sure, but no need to chastise him this much.

    He's 23 and has 8 centuries, one of them against Australia (in Australia), a 98 in Australia, had he not hurt his wrist was looking on pace for another ton against England, (yes his SR wasn't unbelievable in a couple of these innings, but he was what 21?), was in the world XI last year, ranked top 10 in the world in ODIs, the best T20 batsmen.

    How can you be disappointed?

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    Just unleash Hardik Pandya to hurl couple of bouncers at him. That should do the trick.

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    Stop him from scoring runs by drying up the singles as well. He often does something stupid when the opposition starts to strangle him.


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    He has a weakness against spin so may struggle against Chahal and Yadav...

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    He is in top tier of modern batsmen. Any opposition will be worried about him.

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    I will be more worried of Fakhar than Babar.

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    How will india stop shadab from scoring.. he has been in terrific form..

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    Babar vs kuldeep

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    He got 5 chances in newzealand and england how many runs he scored

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    Babar and Amla seem similar players.

    Plenty of runs but no realistic impact on the game.


    And I get so high.. And I just can't feel it....

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    They can't. He will destroy them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I think, any player with 55/85 sort of stats is an asset against anyone. In terms of stats, Kohli stands at 58/92, therefore obviously Babar has lots of capability, but certainly not at Kohli's level. PAK needs to play around Babar and factor his stats in their strategy. In a lineup if there are 3/4 accumulators, backed by a tail that starts at 7, obviously it won't work often (at one point top 5-6 had Ahmed, MoHa, Azhar/YK, Misbah, Malik ..... even Asad). If Sharjeel was still available, then in a line-up of SK, FZ & Asif - Babar could have been the difference in many close games. Now that the bottom half is quite good with bat, PAK should bat with overs in mind from start, rather than usual strategy of taking the game to 40th over with wickets at hand.

    To answer the question, I think Babar is weak against spin, surprisingly even against off-spin for a right handed top order batsman with such good stats. May be, tactics against him for any team should be to bring spin from both ends at the start of his innings and keep him on strike & attack to get him out, rather than contain (that's keeping 6-7 fielders in, with may be couple at catching position), risking odd boundary. His SR is relatively less in first 50 balls, therefore attacking field shouldn't hurt that much. He bats at 3, which makes it easier to implement that strategy, as he is expected to come just when the spinners are due. This is one reason, I think opening with Babar is a better idea in LOs, so that he can start against pacers and by the time spinners come, he is about an hour into batting.
    you nailed it bro unlike some attention seekers here calling him nothing player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMHS View Post
    I think, any player with 55/85 sort of stats is an asset against anyone. In terms of stats, Kohli stands at 58/92, therefore obviously Babar has lots of capability, but certainly not at Kohli's level. PAK needs to play around Babar and factor his stats in their strategy. In a lineup if there are 3/4 accumulators, backed by a tail that starts at 7, obviously it won't work often (at one point top 5-6 had Ahmed, MoHa, Azhar/YK, Misbah, Malik ..... even Asad). If Sharjeel was still available, then in a line-up of SK, FZ & Asif - Babar could have been the difference in many close games. Now that the bottom half is quite good with bat, PAK should bat with overs in mind from start, rather than usual strategy of taking the game to 40th over with wickets at hand.

    To answer the question, I think Babar is weak against spin, surprisingly even against off-spin for a right handed top order batsman with such good stats. May be, tactics against him for any team should be to bring spin from both ends at the start of his innings and keep him on strike & attack to get him out, rather than contain (that's keeping 6-7 fielders in, with may be couple at catching position), risking odd boundary. His SR is relatively less in first 50 balls, therefore attacking field shouldn't hurt that much. He bats at 3, which makes it easier to implement that strategy, as he is expected to come just when the spinners are due. This is one reason, I think opening with Babar is a better idea in LOs, so that he can start against pacers and by the time spinners come, he is about an hour into batting.
    Teams cannot plan keeping only Babar in mind. There will be another batsman as well. For example, if two spinners are brought in, Babar can just take a single and give strike to the other batsman who will smack spinners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Bassim View Post
    Babar and Amla seem similar players.

    Plenty of runs but no realistic impact on the game.
    Real and realistic have different meanings. Realistic is not an apt choice of vernacular.

    If anyone believes Babar has not contributed to winning then they're flat out incorrect.

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    Btw Fakhar averages 29 in ODIs in the UAE and 23 in all formats in the UAE. Not to say he is not a threat though, I am just stating a fact.

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    A troll thread designed to get the usual suspects out in force to put Babar down..the same guys who stayed away from my thread which dissected his career so far and showed just how good he actually is.

    People on here still talking like batsmen strike at 150.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syed1 View Post
    So people are ignoring his average and only concentrating on his strike rate to put him down? Someone tell these experts that usually when Babar is batting Fakhar is going all guns blazing at the other end and most he has to do is change the strike over and give it back to Fakhar.

    Babar has played at excellent SR when required as well.



    There is a reason why VVS and Zaheer are discussing the threat of Babar, while nobodies like you folks are dissing him. I'd much rather take the word of international cricketers than some "experts" over an internet forum.
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    People like Laxman and Zaheer Khan do not watch Pakistan matches. They picked up Babar’s name because they did some pre-show homework on Pakistan and saw Babar’s overall statistics and his ranking, but that does not tell the full story.

    They also have memories of the Champions Trophy Final where Babar paced his innings well for a change, so there is predictably a gap between their perception of Babar and his actual performance.

    Only people who regularly watch Babar play ball by ball can tell that he paces his innings poorly, cannot make much of an impact while chasing big totals (ref. to the 4th ODI in Australia) and is uncomfortable against spin.

    No matter what your credentials are, you cannot pick these things up from aggregate stats or from watching a player occasionally, even if you are Laxman or Zaheer.

    As usual, some people are looking at things from one angle only and are barking up the wrong tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    People like Laxman and Zaheer Khan do not watch Pakistan matches. They picked up Babar’s name because they did some pre-show homework on Pakistan and saw Babar’s overall statistics and his ranking, but that does not tell the full story.

    They also have memories of the Champions Trophy Final where Babar paced his innings well for a change, so there is predictably a gap between their perception of Babar and his actual performance.

    Only people who regularly watch Babar play ball by ball can tell that he paces his innings poorly, cannot make much of an impact while chasing big totals (ref. to the 4th ODI in Australia) and is uncomfortable against spin.

    No matter what your credentials are, you cannot pick these things up from aggregate stats or from watching a player occasionally, even if you are Laxman or Zaheer.

    As usual, some people are looking at things from one angle only and are barking up the wrong tree.
    Actually no.

    He batted a a SR of 50 during the early part of his innings.

    I think he was like 15 of 30 balls. He actually picked up his SR after Fakhar fell and was helped by poor bowling by Pandya.

    However, I still think it was a decent innings because a Pakistani collapse is always around the corner. Once we got in the 'safe' zone of posting a good score - he picked up the pace and fell whilst trying to slog.

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    The more valuable question would be HOW WOULD INDIANS STOP FAKHAR ZAMAN? Babar can be tackled easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mamoon View Post
    People like Laxman and Zaheer Khan do not watch Pakistan matches. They picked up Babar’s name because they did some pre-show homework on Pakistan and saw Babar’s overall statistics and his ranking, but that does not tell the full story.

    They also have memories of the Champions Trophy Final where Babar paced his innings well for a change, so there is predictably a gap between their perception of Babar and his actual performance.

    Only people who regularly watch Babar play ball by ball can tell that he paces his innings poorly, cannot make much of an impact while chasing big totals (ref. to the 4th ODI in Australia) and is uncomfortable against spin.

    No matter what your credentials are, you cannot pick these things up from aggregate stats or from watching a player occasionally, even if you are Laxman or Zaheer.

    As usual, some people are looking at things from one angle only and are barking up the wrong tree.
    Considering his lack of ‘impact’, how do you see his future as a test batsman and would you say he is likely to be impactful there because of his wider array of strokes compared to our other strokeless wonders

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    Quote Originally Posted by msb314 View Post
    Actually no.

    He batted a a SR of 50 during the early part of his innings.

    I think he was like 15 of 30 balls. He actually picked up his SR after Fakhar fell and was helped by poor bowling by Pandya.

    However, I still think it was a decent innings because a Pakistani collapse is always around the corner. Once we got in the 'safe' zone of posting a good score - he picked up the pace and fell whilst trying to slog.
    It was better than usual. His strike rate was around 88 after 50 odd balls, which is very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zain7077 View Post
    Considering his lack of ‘impact’, how do you see his future as a test batsman and would you say he is likely to be impactful there because of his wider array of strokes compared to our other strokeless wonders
    I feel that Tests could be his best format in the long run. He is a run machine who can keep scoring as long as there is no scoreboard pressure, which is rarely the case in Tests.

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    After reading posts in this thread, it looks like each and every Pak batsman is a threat and is unstoppable. Only God can save India. I think it will be one sided matches just like CT final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuskash View Post
    After reading posts in this thread, it looks like each and every Pak batsman is a threat and is unstoppable. Only God can save India. I think it will be one sided matches just like CT final.
    Don't worry India might fluke a win or two.


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