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    Today is the anniversary of the real hundredth hundred

    It's forty years to the day since a batsman scored his hundredth First Class hundred on his home ground, in an Ashes Test, after a several year long self-imposed exile from international cricket.

    So hearty congratulations to "Sir" Geoffrey Boycott, the finest defensive Batsman that I have ever seen.

    I was just eight years old, back from school in time to watch the pictures from Headingley. Every male in the country was watching the cricket on BBC2, or so it seemed.

    It's an extraordinary achievement. Not the meaningless Fake News of "a hundred international centuries", mainly against popgun attacks with no slip cordon.

    No, Boycott's hundred hundreds were in real cricket on real pitches, many against county attacks featuring 3 or even 4 overseas bowlers.

    August 11th 1977. I remember it as if it was yesterday.

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    It was a big week.

    Five days later Elvis died on the toilet, and a few days after that Groucho Marx went too.

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    Yorkshire legend.

    Funny how life works out as Geoff Boycott is now more known for his commentary than his playing career. Yes its true he was unbelievably selfish but that same stubbornness drove him to be a great England batsman and helped him beat throat cancer in 2002. Some of that selfishness was due to a fear of being dropped as Boycott was constantly at loggerheads with the ECB and the Yorkshire administrators.

    I'll never forget how he came to Pakistan's aid in 1992 and 2006 when Pakistani bashing by the press was in full swing over the ball-tampering rows.

    Sometime in the 90s, Imran Khan went on the Channel 4 show "The Devil's Advocate" to address the controversy and Boycott was in the audience. One of Boyc's first remarks was:

    "Nobody kicked up a fuss when Derek Pringle admitted to ball tampering because a) he's white, b) he's Essex and c) he's not that good !"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    It's forty years to the day since a batsman scored his hundredth First Class hundred on his home ground, in an Ashes Test, after a several year long self-imposed exile from international cricket.

    So hearty congratulations to "Sir" Geoffrey Boycott, the finest defensive Batsman that I have ever seen.

    I was just eight years old, back from school in time to watch the pictures from Headingley. Every male in the country was watching the cricket on BBC2, or so it seemed.

    It's an extraordinary achievement. Not the meaningless Fake News of "a hundred international centuries", mainly against popgun attacks with no slip cordon.

    No, Boycott's hundred hundreds were in real cricket on real pitches, many against county attacks featuring 3 or even 4 overseas bowlers.

    August 11th 1977. I remember it as if it was yesterday.
    Well said. The bowlers in county teams were far better than international bowlers. That just goes to show how good England's bowling stocks were, because of which they were undisputedly the best team in the world from the 1950s to the 2000s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sachin136 View Post
    Well said. The bowlers in county teams were far better than international bowlers. That just goes to show how good England's bowling stocks were, because of which they were undisputedly the best team in the world from the 1950s to the 2000s.
    Exactly. The Allan Mullalys, Dominick Cork, Caddick, Gough...extra ordinary cutters of Mark Ealham and ronnie Irannie. Scary stuffy....

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    Hook, line and sinker.


    A skilled hawk conceals its talons.

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    boycott = poor man's gavaskar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    It's forty years to the day since a batsman scored his hundredth First Class hundred on his home ground, in an Ashes Test, after a several year long self-imposed exile from international cricket.

    So hearty congratulations to "Sir" Geoffrey Boycott, the finest defensive Batsman that I have ever seen.

    I was just eight years old, back from school in time to watch the pictures from Headingley. Every male in the country was watching the cricket on BBC2, or so it seemed.

    It's an extraordinary achievement. Not the meaningless Fake News of "a hundred international centuries", mainly against popgun attacks with no slip cordon.

    No, Boycott's hundred hundreds were in real cricket on real pitches, many against county attacks featuring 3 or even 4 overseas bowlers.

    August 11th 1977. I remember it as if it was yesterday.
    Gavaskar is better suited for that title

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    Quote Originally Posted by backfootpunch View Post
    Gavaskar is better suited for that title
    Gavaskar was more than a defensive Batsman. His 1987 World Cup performance v NZ was far beyond what Boycott could do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IgnitedMind View Post
    Exactly. The Allan Mullalys, Dominick Cork, Caddick, Gough...extra ordinary cutters of Mark Ealham and ronnie Irannie. Scary stuffy....
    Wrong decade.

    Boycott retired at 46, long before any of their careers started.

    Try Hadlee - Rice - Doshi.

    Or Sarfraz - Bedi - Mushtaq

    Or Imran - Le Roux - Greig

    Or Garner - Botham - Mallender

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    Quote Originally Posted by IgnitedMind View Post
    Exactly. The Allan Mullalys, Dominick Cork, Caddick, Gough...extra ordinary cutters of Mark Ealham and ronnie Irannie. Scary stuffy....
    Or, for @Robert

    Van der Bijl - Daniel - Edmonds - Emburey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Or, for @Robert

    Van der Bijl - Daniel - Edmonds - Emburey
    So these bowlers are better than McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollack and co. Got it. Great 100 centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehub View Post
    So these bowlers are better than McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollack and co. Got it. Great 100 centuries.
    Muzumdar, VB Chandarshekar, etc should be called legends then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehub View Post
    So these bowlers are better than McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollack and co. Got it. Great 100 centuries.
    Van Der Bijl was a better version of McGrath: he hit the bat a lot harder.

    But yes.

    Van Der Bijl - Daniel - Edmonds - Emburey is a better attack than Bangladesh, India, New Zealand, Sri Lanka or Zimbabwe have ever had in their entire cricketing history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Van Der Bijl was a better version of McGrath: he hit the bat a lot harder.

    But yes.

    Van Der Bijl - Daniel - Edmonds - Emburey is a better attack than Bangladesh, India, New Zealand, Sri Lanka or Zimbabwe have ever had in their entire cricketing history.
    Arvindswamy, ramaswamy, ramaiah, Saravanan who played for Tamil Nadu in 70s were better than any attack endland has ever had.
    Last edited by UN talkz; 12th August 2017 at 08:50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IgnitedMind View Post
    Exactly. The Allan Mullalys, Dominick Cork, Caddick, Gough...extra ordinary cutters of Mark Ealham and ronnie Irannie. Scary stuffy....
    Quote Originally Posted by thehub View Post
    So these bowlers are better than McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollack and co. Got it. Great 100 centuries.
    Quote Originally Posted by thehub View Post
    Stop fooling people dude. With nothing to back your statement. Arvindswamy, ramaswamy, ramaiah, Saravanan who played for Tamil Nadu in 70s were better than any attack endland has ever had.
    Everyone agrees that Ambrose and McGrath were the same level, same type.

    Everyone also agrees that Ambrose was just a clone of Joel Garner. Not worse, not better. Identical.

    Garner and Van Der Bijl were contemporaries, and everyone agrees that Van Der Bijl bowled heavier balls and was better.

    Politics robbed him of an official career, but he played against all the world's best batsmen at Middlesex: from Boycott to Gooch to Richards to Zaheer.

    Just because youngsters are unfamiliar with Vintcent Van Der Bijl doesn't mean he wasn't an ATG. He was.

    Incidentally, Boycott didn't hit a century against him for Yorkshire. But Jonny Barstow's dad did!

    I would rank Van Der Bijl in the top three bowlers of the last 42 years that I have watched cricket. I'd put him behind Malcolm Marshall but ahead of Shane Warne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Van Der Bijl - Daniel - Edmonds - Emburey is a better attack than Bangladesh, India, New Zealand, Sri Lanka or Zimbabwe have ever had in their entire cricketing history.
    Most Indians will admit that their bowling stocks have been well below par over the years, but surely these no-names you've listed are a hundred times worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Van Der Bijl was a better version of McGrath: he hit the bat a lot harder.

    But yes.

    Van Der Bijl - Daniel - Edmonds - Emburey is a better attack than Bangladesh, India, New Zealand, Sri Lanka or Zimbabwe have ever had in their entire cricketing history.
    Because a white old Englishman who dozed off while watching the match said so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LastManstanding View Post
    Because a white old Englishman who dozed off while watching the match said so?
    Actually, much of Sunil Gavaskar's reputation in England is because he took the attack to Van Der Bijl in a televised Benson and Hedges Cup 55 over match.

    Gavaskar still considers it to be a huge achievement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LastManstanding View Post
    Because a white old Englishman who dozed off while watching the match said so?
    No. van der Bijl was a brilliant bowler.. I've watched him bowl a handful of times. Donot agree with "better version of McGrath" but that's a separate debate Daniel was an excellent bowler too.

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    Geoff Boycott was unable to face the Indian "Pace" attack of Abid Ali and Solkar in test matches in 1970s, which so frustrated him that he took a break from test cricket and went back to county cricket to rectify his batting technique.

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    And that period of his break from test cricket very conveniently coincided with the period when West Indian pacers were creating havoc in late 1970s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Or, for @Robert

    Van der Bijl - Daniel - Edmonds - Emburey
    I saw Daniel once, playing at Bradford Park Avenue. Some Yorkie asked how Middx had so many overseas players. She didn't seem to know that Cowans, Slack, Butcher and Williams were all Englishmen.

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    A legend of game.

    No need to compare batsmen here. Both him and SG were crème de la crème.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squarecut View Post
    And that period of his break from test cricket very conveniently coincided with the period when West Indian pacers were creating havoc in late 1970s.
    He came back to face them on their own decks at age 40 and scored a century.

    Confidence is a funny thing. For years, Boycott didn't think he was good enough to play for England. Gooch stood down against Pakistan in 1987, then came back to score a century facing Imran and Qadir in the MCC Bicentenary match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Actually, much of Sunil Gavaskar's reputation in England is because he took the attack to Van Der Bijl in a televised Benson and Hedges Cup 55 over match.

    Gavaskar still considers it to be a huge achievement
    .
    When did Gavaskar say that? Post a link to an interview or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahul1 View Post
    When did Gavaskar say that? Post a link to an interview or something.

    Here goes....

    https://www.cricketcountry.com/artic...-or-odis-24242

    But you should also read:

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/578932.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/bl...indies-diamond

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    Meaningless record. The real thing came in 2013.

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    John Doe was the greatest cricketer of all time. One of my neighbour who watched him play at the high school ground can vouch for it. As per them, he could bowl 180kph thunderbolt which can swing both ways. Also his batting average of 122.37 on thise pitches where grass was grown for cows is a thing of folklore.

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    100 FC 100s is the real deal while 100 international 100s is fake and meaningless?
    Last edited by Abdullah719; 10th October 2018 at 10:28.

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    Fantastic thread, invites all the outraged shills to crawl out of the woodwork. I don't know how they keep falling for it time after time. Then again, they are the most unimaginative folk that I've ever come across in my life.

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    If you want to know why “international centuries” are Fake News, consider Martin Guptill.

    He’s a tried and tested failure as a Test batsman. He can’t avoid committing suicide to the slip cordon. He has 3 Test centuries, one at home v Bangladesh, one at home v Sri Lanka, and one away to Zimbabwe.

    But he has 13 ODI and 2 T20i centuries - so he looks respectable in terms of “international centuries”, even though he can’t bat against a slip cordon!

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    Tendulkar's so called record of 100 International Centuries is overrated, definitely. I'd take Viv Richards' 35 International centuries over Tendulkar's 100 any day of the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proactive_ View Post
    Tendulkar's so called record of 100 International Centuries is overrated, definitely. I'd take Viv Richards' 35 International centuries over Tendulkar's 100 any day of the week.
    You might take Agarkars century over Sachin. But that is not the point of this thread. He scored hundred 100s. Whether it is substandard or not.

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    Pretty clear OP is trying to rile up Indian fans.
    All this thread is doing is driving Indian fans away ( both guests and members).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaankeJi View Post
    Pretty clear OP is trying to rile up Indian fans.
    All this thread is doing is driving Indian fans away ( both guests and members).
    Why are Indian fans so sensitive ? Why does everyone consider it a personal affront if someone criticizes Tendulkar ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    If you want to know why “international centuries” are Fake News, consider Martin Guptill.

    He’s a tried and tested failure as a Test batsman. He can’t avoid committing suicide to the slip cordon. He has 3 Test centuries, one at home v Bangladesh, one at home v Sri Lanka, and one away to Zimbabwe.

    But he has 13 ODI and 2 T20i centuries - so he looks respectable in terms of “international centuries”, even though he can’t bat against a slip cordon!
    An international 100 whether its in ODI or T20Is is any day better than a FC 100. There's a reason why dozens of domestic stalwarts across countries have been complete duds and mental wrecks in international cricket getting thoroughly exposed. Reason being mental fortitude required to survive intensity of international cricket in any form is of much higher standard than FC cricket irrespective of how strong they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    Why are Indian fans so sensitive ? Why does everyone consider it a personal affront if someone criticizes Tendulkar ?
    If Indians come, they are sensitive. If they don't come, then they have run away from the thread. Lose - lose situation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    Why are Indian fans so sensitive ? Why does everyone consider it a personal affront if someone criticizes Tendulkar ?
    Is this criticism?
    He is basically saying that 49 odi centuries of sachin holds no value. This is not criticism this is stupidity .
    Secondly your lot is completely obsessed with tendulkar, the no. Of times posters here have tried to belittle sachin by applying meaningless filters is ridiculous.
    Whereas your legends are fully respected in india.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    Why are Indian fans so sensitive ? Why does everyone consider it a personal affront if someone criticizes Tendulkar ?
    One can make a thread about XYZ and praise him to the skies. But why this need to constantly bring in Indian legends (esp Tendulkar) everywhere and downplay their achievements? Sachin scored 100 100s, did he commit a crime by doing so? Which part of it is fake and why is it meaningless? If OP wants to believe that all of Boycott's FC 100s were against real cricketers and Sachin was useless let him live in his bubble but we are entitled to our opinion on this forum.

    Rajinder Goel picked 750 wickets in Ranji against good players of spin and routinely destroyed all visiting batsmen in warm up fixtures, doesn't mean he is greater than Bedi, there is a difference between FC and international cricket. If people want to live in their bubble it is alright but why cry hoarse when the other side presents counter views?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    Fantastic thread, invites all the outraged shills to crawl out of the woodwork. I don't know how they keep falling for it time after time. Then again, they are the most unimaginative folk that I've ever come across in my life.
    I assume the "outraged shills" were just posting so as to bait you into posting here.

    It's an internet forum, we are all wasting our time here. It is not as if there is any meaning to these posts beyond this forum.

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    Exceptional batting accomplishment from an exceptional attritional batsman, someone who may have done very well in the UAE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    Fantastic thread, invites all the outraged shills to crawl out of the woodwork. I don't know how they keep falling for it time after time. Then again, they are the most unimaginative folk that I've ever come across in my life.
    Do you know what shill means?

    So falling for something and debating is unimaginative even when everyone knows this is a troll thread but having the time, energy and effort to troll and put up troll threads is very admirable and productive use of ones time?


    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. --Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    Why are Indian fans so sensitive ? Why does everyone consider it a personal affront if someone criticizes Tendulkar ?
    The only sensitive person i see here is the one calling others shills and chest thumping at a thread someone else made

    I like this new technique by trolls, they will act prima donna, all emotional, start name calling others. When others make reasonable thought out and logical responses they are called sensitive


    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect. --Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indiafan View Post
    The only sensitive person i see here is the one calling others shills and chest thumping at a thread someone else made

    I like this new technique by trolls, they will act prima donna, all emotional, start name calling others. When others make reasonable thought out and logical responses they are called sensitive
    I wasn't trolling, just find it hilarious how you guys all get upset by these clickbait threads. By all means, continue to remain outraged. There's no rhyme or logic to these threads.

    The shill comment was a throwaway allusion to the horde mentality of Tendulkar fans, they always swarm in as if they have some self-interest in defending his honour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeeteshssaxena View Post
    Is this criticism?
    He is basically saying that 49 odi centuries of sachin holds no value. This is not criticism this is stupidity .
    Secondly your lot is completely obsessed with tendulkar, the no. Of times posters here have tried to belittle sachin by applying meaningless filters is ridiculous.
    Whereas your legends are fully respected in india.
    He's not criticising anything, this is just a diverting pastime for him. It's like shooting fish in a barrel, honestly. I'm just surprised you guys keep falling for this routine.

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    In terms of bait threads, this is as good as it gets. 10/10

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    This guy knows his craft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    He's not criticising anything, this is just a diverting pastime for him. It's like shooting fish in a barrel, honestly. I'm just surprised you guys keep falling for this routine.
    I used to think this too, but after 11000 posts, I think he actually believes all the things he says (including the 170 kmph bowlers).

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    Even Boycott and his Mom would laugh at this silly statement.Boycott and Sachin don't belong in same sentence, Sachin could do whatever Boycott could do plus he could take the game away from any bowling attack.

    Some people have this really insane urge to downgrade great players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junaids View Post
    Everyone agrees that Ambrose and McGrath were the same level, same type.

    Everyone also agrees that Ambrose was just a clone of Joel Garner. Not worse, not better. Identical.

    Garner and Van Der Bijl were contemporaries, and everyone agrees that Van Der Bijl bowled heavier balls and was better.

    Politics robbed him of an official career, but he played against all the world's best batsmen at Middlesex: from Boycott to Gooch to Richards to Zaheer.

    Just because youngsters are unfamiliar with Vintcent Van Der Bijl doesn't mean he wasn't an ATG. He was.

    Incidentally, Boycott didn't hit a century against him for Yorkshire. But Jonny Barstow's dad did!

    I would rank Van Der Bijl in the top three bowlers of the last 42 years that I have watched cricket. I'd put him behind Malcolm Marshall but ahead of Shane Warne.
    This has to be one of the worst explanation of Why Van bijl was better version of McGrath.

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    Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Vincent van der Bijl play just one season of county cricket at the age of 32 for Middlesex in 1980 ? I know I am falling into a trap here, but surely a single season of county cricket isn't enough to elevate van der Bijl above McGrath and Ambrose ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Monetarist View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Vincent van der Bijl play just one season of county cricket at the age of 32 for Middlesex in 1980 ? I know I am falling into a trap here, but surely a single season of county cricket isn't enough to elevate van der Bijl above McGrath and Ambrose ?
    When Barry Richards is one of the greatest of all time because of a handful of super tests, surely a county season is enough for Vince.

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    Digging a bit deeper because I am bored: Joel Garner topped the bowling averages in 1980 as he conceded 13.93 runs for every wicket, while van der Bijl averaged 14.72. The highest wicket taker was Robin Jackman with 121 scalps, van der Bijl took 85.

    Yeah, he had a great season but surely not worth propelling him above McGrath ?

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    If van der Bijl is greater than Mcgrath then Hick who was hailed the great white hope did not play a single test would be called better than Sachin and Lara by people who have no clue about cricket..

    We all know how well Hick fared facing international bowlers.


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